2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNew ABC poll: Trump unfavorables at 70%. 70. Percent.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trumps-unfavorables-spike-clintons-challenged-poll/story?id=39856303Agschmid
(28,749 posts)YouDig
(2,280 posts)Not related to the thread, but it's a nice little sequence.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Thanks.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Is that a record? Did Nixon ever have 70% unfavorables?
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,323 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)But it doesn't hurt that our opponent is such a disgusting troll.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)brooklynite
(94,375 posts)My brother is somewhere in the USO Show scene.
AJH032
(1,124 posts)n/t
TwilightZone
(25,429 posts)On both counts.
lapfog_1
(29,194 posts)The RNC might actually replace him on the ticket.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)It's so beautiful. *wipes tear of joy*
BootinUp
(47,087 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)BootinUp
(47,087 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)"We're gonna build a party off the backs of racists and misogynists. But we're not gonna tell anyone! We're gonna make sure they know it, but we're not gonna say it out loud. Here are your dogwhistles; don't lose them."
35 years pass
Trump: "Muslims are terrorists! Women are pigs! Mexicans are rapists!"
Repub leadership: "SHHHH!!!!"
BootinUp
(47,087 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)If Trump starts teleprompting and generally behaving himself like a good boy, his base will desert him. If he doesn't the Repub leadership risks the party's exposure in re: the general racism and misogyny. There's no way to win. They built this clusterf*ck and now they're gonna eat it. And I want to hand them a very large spoon.
PJMcK
(21,998 posts)It'll take them longer to eat it.
I'll give them free salt to go with it.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,323 posts)Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)They're in a no-win situation, but replacing Trump via a convention coup and tearing apart the party while still losing in November would be their worst-case scenario. The safer move for the RNC would be to just write off the presidential election this year and hope they can get a better candidate for 2020.
Hopefully the Republican voters will be uncooperative and hand the nomination to somebody awful again in 4 years, though. That's a particularly critical election because we need to win as many state legislatures as possible after the census if we're going to roll back the gerrymandering and make the House competitive again.
Dem2
(8,166 posts)Good for him! His goal appears to be 100%.
FSogol
(45,452 posts)Larkspur
(12,804 posts)We can spend our time doing other things or helping Democrats we can actually believe in.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Larkspur
(12,804 posts)I've got a bunch of stuff to do around my house, so I can spend my limited spare time on stuff I've neglected due to politics.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)We'll take care of it.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)I am SO AT HOME to a trainwreck of epic proportions at the Repub convention. I'm gonna snuggle in on the couch and pop a HUGE bowl of popcorn.
They do that, their base deserts them. They don't do that, everyone sane in the country deserts them. They are F*CKED.
Triana
(22,666 posts)And that's a GOOD thing.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)To be fair, unfavorables for both are rising...
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Look at the Clinton trend. Pretty much within the MOE. Further, her favorabilities are likely to rebound over the next couple weeks as Democrats unify.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)making assumptions won't end well... there's perception and then there's reality... so far we have reality poking it's finger in both eyes
Compare HRC and DT unfavorables to Bernie's... over same timelines
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I am 100% convinced his negatives would have climbed rather dramatically in the GE. But now we'll never know.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)started of with 'fringe' or 'radical', 'socialist'... and it went from there
We already 'know', but the comparison of unfavorables between HRC and DT matter... historic is the term...
feel free to detail out the 'why' but, I'm willing to bet that won't be taken into consideration...
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)... and honestly, I'm not interested in tearing him down. I'll just say that I think he would have been shredded in the GE. That's an opinion, of course, and I don't expect a lot of Sanders supporters would agree... after all, they voted for him.
Maru Kitteh
(28,323 posts)1. Sanders has never been asked to account for his relationship with the Trotskyist Socialist Workers Party, for which he served as a presidential elector in 1980. At the time, the partys platform called for abolishing the U.S. military budget and proclaimed solidarity with revolutionary Iran. (This was in the middle of the Iranian hostage crisis.)
2. Theres been little cable news chatter about Sanders 1985 trip to Nicaragua, where he reportedly joined a Sandinista rally with a crowd chanting, Here, there, everywhere/ The Yankee will die. It would be nice if this were due to a national consensus on the criminal nature of Americas support for the Contras. More likely, the medias attention has simply been elsewhere.
3. The Clinton campaign has also ignored Sanders youthful sex writings. Republicans are unlikely to be so decorous.
4. As the nominee, Sanders would have to address his former opposition to public schools and praise for parents who believe that it is better for their children not to go to school at all than for them to attend a normal type of establishment.
5. Hed have to explain whether he still feels that sexual repression causes cancer.
6. Hed have to explain if he still opposes the concept of private charity, and whether he still supports the public takeover of the television industry.
7. One also assumes Republicans would, in keeping with Karl Roves playbook, try to hit Sanders where hes strongeston issues of financial integrity. Theyd probably do it by going after Jane Sanders, who has been accused of trying to defraud the Catholic Church on a land deal she undertook as president of Burlington College. (After being forced out of that job, she received a $200,000 golden parachute.) If you think this cant blow up, remember that Hillary Clinton never personally profited off of Whitewater, the land deal that became a pretext for endless investigations of her and her husband.
More at the link:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1890988
and the link from that post
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/05/bernie_sanders_electability_argument_is_still_a_myth.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_top
Containing this using facts and quotes from SBS himself
Then it would quote him celebrating girls who defy their mothers and have sex with their boyfriends: The revolution comes when a girl pushes aside all that her mother has taught her and accepts her boyfriends [sic] love.
Finally, it would remind viewers that Sanders was one of 14 congressmen to vote against the law establishing the Amber Alert system and one of 15 to vote against an amendment criminalizing computer-generated child pornography. The fact that these votes were cast for entirely principled civil libertarian reasons is, in the context of a general-election attack, beside the point. (Its also beside the point that lots of people, myself included, have no problem with either child nudity or teenage sex.)
It takes no special political insight to see that Republicans will try to make Sanders seem like a sexual weirdo. Will it work? I have no idea, but theres no shorter route to the frightened lizard brain of the American electorate than dark talk about children and sex.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)Bernie's had it worse from within and from without in terms of attacks against him
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)now....
its a different game and as long as trump is living and breathing he will continue to alienate the voters needed.....
and there is still so much more to come out on the man,,,the myth....and the reality of trump and none is good for him
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)RogerM
(150 posts)But the #'s are yuugggggggggeeeeeee
Arazi
(6,829 posts)I bet these numbers are why she continues to parlay with Bernie. She needs his supporters on board.
randr
(12,409 posts)that take place as close as a week away from the November vote. Never count your chickens etc.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,323 posts)and folks who keep their dry-cleaned Klan uniforms ready to go and on display in the living room.
Two words:
[font size = 7] MADAME PRESIDENT
MFM008
(19,803 posts)Yet 30 percent thinks he's sane......