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New ABC poll: Trump unfavorables at 70%. 70. Percent. (Original Post) Adrahil Jun 2016 OP
Wow. Agschmid Jun 2016 #1
I like those pictures you have. YouDig Jun 2016 #23
It's artsy, and non political. Total win IMHO. Agschmid Jun 2016 #25
Bloody hell. auntpurl Jun 2016 #2
That's our favorite winning strategy this year I guess. Pathetic though. highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #3
Our? grossproffit Jun 2016 #7
Democratic Party's hopes to win relying largely on Trump being a disaster. highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #8
We avoided a disaster which is why we nominated Hillary. grossproffit Jun 2016 #14
Sad highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #16
Happy Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #46
I disagree. I think Clinton's favorables will rise as the primary ends. Adrahil Jun 2016 #15
I'm talking about "the message". What's the most common one to vote for Hillary? highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #18
Supreme Court redstateblues Jun 2016 #27
Ah...Apocalypse Now...my mother did the extras casting for that movie... brooklynite Jun 2016 #29
Federal Assault Weapons Ban AJH032 Jun 2016 #44
Agreed. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #48
Trump is peaking too soon lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #4
Either way, they're f*cked. auntpurl Jun 2016 #6
Yeah, I don't see how a convention disaster would help, lol. nt BootinUp Jun 2016 #12
RNC headquarters: auntpurl Jun 2016 #17
The karma aspect is fascinating. nt BootinUp Jun 2016 #19
Repub leadership, 1980: "Ok, boys, here's what we're gonna do" auntpurl Jun 2016 #22
Even if they could silence Trump, the angry base cannot be. nt BootinUp Jun 2016 #26
This is the beautiful thing auntpurl Jun 2016 #31
Make it a slotted spoon PJMcK Jun 2016 #51
Lol. nt sufrommich Jun 2016 #33
LOL! nt Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #47
They won't. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #54
He had a nice bounce-back in unfavorability Dem2 Jun 2016 #5
OMG.. DCBob Jun 2016 #9
Cue JFK voice: We can do better, America.... FSogol Jun 2016 #10
Then it should be an easy GE for HRC to win Larkspur Jun 2016 #11
Sounds like some one has a sad. JoePhilly Jun 2016 #13
Nope. Makes my life easier Larkspur Jun 2016 #20
No problem. JoePhilly Jun 2016 #41
republicans will use these polls at their convention to pick another Sunlei Jun 2016 #21
God, I hope so. auntpurl Jun 2016 #24
Republicans are SO screwed. Triana Jun 2016 #28
Both presumptive candidates unfavorables are climbing HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #30
That's true, but.... Adrahil Jun 2016 #32
considering they BOTH are at historic levels says something... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #35
Bernie hasn't had the same kind of mud slung at him. Adrahil Jun 2016 #36
Bernie's had worse... he had it from the get go from BOTH within DEM and from outside DEM party HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #39
Well, it's kind of moot now.... Adrahil Jun 2016 #49
Uh no. "What a Republican Attack on Sanders Would Look Like" Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #50
Comical... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #52
trump been a media creation for years and most people just ignored the "reality star" part....but beachbum bob Jun 2016 #34
... MoonRiver Jun 2016 #37
Yugeeeeeeeeeeeee RogerM Jun 2016 #38
Hillary's at a record high unfavorable of 55% Arazi Jun 2016 #40
The final winner could be determined by events randr Jun 2016 #42
Looks like Hillary is winning the "lesser of two evils" contest. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #43
Holy Crap. All he's got left are the Sterno drinkers, ammo-porn aficionados Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #45
Righteous MFM008 Jun 2016 #53
 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
15. I disagree. I think Clinton's favorables will rise as the primary ends.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 08:59 AM
Jun 2016

But it doesn't hurt that our opponent is such a disgusting troll.

brooklynite

(94,375 posts)
29. Ah...Apocalypse Now...my mother did the extras casting for that movie...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:21 AM
Jun 2016

My brother is somewhere in the USO Show scene.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
22. Repub leadership, 1980: "Ok, boys, here's what we're gonna do"
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:11 AM
Jun 2016

"We're gonna build a party off the backs of racists and misogynists. But we're not gonna tell anyone! We're gonna make sure they know it, but we're not gonna say it out loud. Here are your dogwhistles; don't lose them."

35 years pass

Trump: "Muslims are terrorists! Women are pigs! Mexicans are rapists!"

Repub leadership: "SHHHH!!!!"

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
31. This is the beautiful thing
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:21 AM
Jun 2016

If Trump starts teleprompting and generally behaving himself like a good boy, his base will desert him. If he doesn't the Repub leadership risks the party's exposure in re: the general racism and misogyny. There's no way to win. They built this clusterf*ck and now they're gonna eat it. And I want to hand them a very large spoon.

PJMcK

(21,998 posts)
51. Make it a slotted spoon
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:04 PM
Jun 2016

It'll take them longer to eat it.

I'll give them free salt to go with it.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
54. They won't.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 04:41 PM
Jun 2016

They're in a no-win situation, but replacing Trump via a convention coup and tearing apart the party while still losing in November would be their worst-case scenario. The safer move for the RNC would be to just write off the presidential election this year and hope they can get a better candidate for 2020.

Hopefully the Republican voters will be uncooperative and hand the nomination to somebody awful again in 4 years, though. That's a particularly critical election because we need to win as many state legislatures as possible after the census if we're going to roll back the gerrymandering and make the House competitive again.

 

Larkspur

(12,804 posts)
11. Then it should be an easy GE for HRC to win
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 08:55 AM
Jun 2016

We can spend our time doing other things or helping Democrats we can actually believe in.

 

Larkspur

(12,804 posts)
20. Nope. Makes my life easier
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:10 AM
Jun 2016

I've got a bunch of stuff to do around my house, so I can spend my limited spare time on stuff I've neglected due to politics.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
24. God, I hope so.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:12 AM
Jun 2016

I am SO AT HOME to a trainwreck of epic proportions at the Repub convention. I'm gonna snuggle in on the couch and pop a HUGE bowl of popcorn.

They do that, their base deserts them. They don't do that, everyone sane in the country deserts them. They are F*CKED.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
32. That's true, but....
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:26 AM
Jun 2016

Look at the Clinton trend. Pretty much within the MOE. Further, her favorabilities are likely to rebound over the next couple weeks as Democrats unify.

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
35. considering they BOTH are at historic levels says something...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:35 AM
Jun 2016

making assumptions won't end well... there's perception and then there's reality... so far we have reality poking it's finger in both eyes

Compare HRC and DT unfavorables to Bernie's... over same timelines

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
36. Bernie hasn't had the same kind of mud slung at him.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:36 AM
Jun 2016

I am 100% convinced his negatives would have climbed rather dramatically in the GE. But now we'll never know.

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
39. Bernie's had worse... he had it from the get go from BOTH within DEM and from outside DEM party
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:45 AM
Jun 2016

started of with 'fringe' or 'radical', 'socialist'... and it went from there

We already 'know', but the comparison of unfavorables between HRC and DT matter... historic is the term...

feel free to detail out the 'why' but, I'm willing to bet that won't be taken into consideration...

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
49. Well, it's kind of moot now....
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:51 PM
Jun 2016

... and honestly, I'm not interested in tearing him down. I'll just say that I think he would have been shredded in the GE. That's an opinion, of course, and I don't expect a lot of Sanders supporters would agree... after all, they voted for him.

Maru Kitteh

(28,323 posts)
50. Uh no. "What a Republican Attack on Sanders Would Look Like"
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:00 PM
Jun 2016

1. Sanders has never been asked to account for his relationship with the Trotskyist Socialist Workers Party, for which he served as a presidential elector in 1980. At the time, the party’s platform called for abolishing the U.S. military budget and proclaimed “solidarity” with revolutionary Iran. (This was in the middle of the Iranian hostage crisis.)

2. There’s been little cable news chatter about Sanders’ 1985 trip to Nicaragua, where he reportedly joined a Sandinista rally with a crowd chanting, “Here, there, everywhere/ The Yankee will die.” It would be nice if this were due to a national consensus on the criminal nature of America’s support for the Contras. More likely, the media’s attention has simply been elsewhere.

3. The Clinton campaign has also ignored Sanders’ youthful sex writings. Republicans are unlikely to be so decorous.

4. As the nominee, Sanders would have to address his former opposition to public schools and praise for parents who believe that it is “better for their children not to go to school at all than for them to attend a normal type of establishment.”

5. He’d have to explain whether he still feels that sexual repression causes cancer.

6. He’d have to explain if he still opposes the concept of private charity, and whether he still supports the public takeover of the television industry.

7. One also assumes Republicans would, in keeping with Karl Rove’s playbook, try to hit Sanders where he’s strongest—on issues of financial integrity. They’d probably do it by going after Jane Sanders, who has been accused of trying to defraud the Catholic Church on a land deal she undertook as president of Burlington College. (After being forced out of that job, she received a $200,000 golden parachute.) If you think this can’t blow up, remember that Hillary Clinton never personally profited off of Whitewater, the land deal that became a pretext for endless investigations of her and her husband.


More at the link:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1890988

and the link from that post

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/05/bernie_sanders_electability_argument_is_still_a_myth.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_top

Containing this using facts and quotes from SBS himself

Imagine an ad drawing from the old Sanders essay “The Revolution Is Life Versus Death.” First it might quote the candidate mocking taboos on child nudity: “Now, if children go around naked, they are liable to see each others [sic] sexual organs, and maybe even touch them. Terrible thing!”

Then it would quote him celebrating girls who defy their mothers and have sex with their boyfriends: “The revolution comes … when a girl pushes aside all that her mother has ‘taught’ her and accepts her boyfriends [sic] love.”

Finally, it would remind viewers that Sanders was one of 14 congressmen to vote against the law establishing the Amber Alert system and one of 15 to vote against an amendment criminalizing computer-generated child pornography. The fact that these votes were cast for entirely principled civil libertarian reasons is, in the context of a general-election attack, beside the point. (It’s also beside the point that lots of people, myself included, have no problem with either child nudity or teenage sex.)

It takes no special political insight to see that Republicans will try to make Sanders seem like a sexual weirdo. Will it work? I have no idea, but there’s no shorter route to the frightened lizard brain of the American electorate than dark talk about children and sex.



 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
34. trump been a media creation for years and most people just ignored the "reality star" part....but
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:33 AM
Jun 2016

now....

its a different game and as long as trump is living and breathing he will continue to alienate the voters needed.....


and there is still so much more to come out on the man,,,the myth....and the reality of trump and none is good for him

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
40. Hillary's at a record high unfavorable of 55%
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:47 AM
Jun 2016


Clinton, while less poorly rated than Trump overall, has troubles of her own -- no bounce in favorability after clinching the Democratic contest last week. From a 44-53 percent favorable-unfavorable rating last month, she’s at 43-55 percent now. While that’s within the margin of sampling error, it’s numerically Clinton’s highest disapproval rating on record, in polls dating to her first appearance on the national stage in March 1992.


I bet these numbers are why she continues to parlay with Bernie. She needs his supporters on board.

randr

(12,409 posts)
42. The final winner could be determined by events
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:11 AM
Jun 2016

that take place as close as a week away from the November vote. Never count your chickens etc.

Maru Kitteh

(28,323 posts)
45. Holy Crap. All he's got left are the Sterno drinkers, ammo-porn aficionados
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:36 PM
Jun 2016

and folks who keep their dry-cleaned Klan uniforms ready to go and on display in the living room.


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