2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders withholds "endorsement" until Clinton "takes steps to win his confidence"
Yet Mr. Sanders chose to withhold his endorsement of Mrs. Clinton, several Sanders advisers said, because he wants her to take steps to win his confidence before the Democratic convention, where his supporters expect him to speak and Clinton advisers hope he will give her his full-throated backing.
Aides to Mrs. Clinton said she had never expected his endorsement Tuesday night. A statement from the Clinton campaign after the meeting described it as a positive discussion about their primary campaign, about unifying the party and about the dangerous threat that Donald Trump poses to our nation. They discussed issues like raising wages and reducing college costs, and agreed to continue working on their shared agenda, including through the platform development process for the upcoming Democratic National Convention.
The Sanders campaign released a nearly identical statement, though it emphasized that the two candidates also spoke about how best to bring more people into the political process a reflection of the strong support for Mr. Sanders among young people and independents.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/15/us/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign.html?_r=0
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)Bernie has about zero leverage at this time.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)See how that works?
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)I think that is exactly what he will do.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)I don't see any way he could endorse her and reconcile that with his supporters, because I'm pretty sure that what we see is what we get, and what we see isn't in alignment with Sanders at all.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)I think he's prepared to deal with that possibility. I'd rather see him take a loss and stand by his principles than to "go for the win," because in this particular situation, it would be a "win" wrapped around a concession, and I don't think he'd find that appealing.
I walked away from a few "wins" myself in life because I didn't want to look in the mirror and see that "winner." What I was asked to give up was one hell of a lot more than I stood to "win."
Raster
(20,998 posts)"I walked away from a few "wins" myself in life because I didn't want to look in the mirror and see that "winner." What I was asked to give up was one hell of a lot more than I stood to "win."
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)half the electorate has trouble remembering, or never knew, which parties hold majorities where. Studies show that most will blame President Obama for all their dissatisfactions, including all the terrible things the GOP and other nations did, during his term because that is the only name they remember.
Many Democrats just assume the primary was over some weeks ago and aren't paying attention since they've voted and later heard who our nominee is. A few Democrats will be interested in whether Sanders ends up endorsing Hillary, but the vast majority of voters just aren't paying that much attention and don't and won't care if he does or not.
Ignorance keeps it all real simple. But also sometimes good sense combined with limited interest in the details does some editing too.
840high
(17,196 posts)brooklynite
(94,919 posts)The last time a nominee allowed a challenger to speak without knowing in advance what they would say...it didn't go well:
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)They may love him in Vermont, but it's sayonara in the Senate if a Democrat does not endorse the nominee, especially when the alternative is Trump.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)The Senate Majority. Hillary's coattails are pretty thin, and Sanders is the key to taking back control if they want that magic number of 50 seats. Lock him out and he could abstain from voting for the Senate Majority Leader thus throwing control to Republicans.
Maru Kitteh
(28,344 posts)We won't need him for any kind of tie breaker. The Senate will be ours, quite likely the House as well. Do you believe he would suddenly caucus with the Republicans? I don't think so.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Of committee assignments then he can, and probably will, become a true independent.
We're not winning the House. That's a pipe dream. Gerrymandering took that away from us. In the Senate we will be lucky to flip six seats at best.
Maru Kitteh
(28,344 posts)benefit from the end of the primaries, improving with distance.
We're taking the Senate, and we have a good shot at the House.
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)Of anyone who has run for president, with the exception of, of course, Trump. If the GOP were running any "normal" type of candidate, she would be in deep trouble.
Those are some mighty short coat tails.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)rock
(13,218 posts)Sounds good to me!
larkrake
(1,674 posts)removes Dinos in congress
Maru Kitteh
(28,344 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)powers have little or nothing in terms of assignments to offer Sanders that he might want. At least that's what observers believe. And he's always been a loner who's never been interested in sitting at the cool senators' table, etc., so they can't punish him by refusing him a seat he never wanted or had.
Independence can be strength. They know they can't control him and the way to deal with him is by reaching agreement on things he wants. His limitation is that he has failed to gain the power he needed and probably can't hurt the Democrats enough to force them to make concessions they don't want to.
Every time word gets around that he is threatening to hurt the party, his barn-burners yell and wave their torches in excitement, but he loses support from large numbers of others who are moving on.
swhisper1
(851 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...you really think after all this and the histrionics of his post primary comments the Democrats are going to openly welcome him into THEIR caucus?
He'd probably get a better reception from the republicans.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)I'll let you label his actions as "histrionics"...that's your right, I don't agree with you but I also have no intention of debating you. You have your opinion, I have mine. I respect yours and I don't need a reciprocal gesture.
AS I've said, it's over. No endorsement and no gesture from the establishment in recognition or appreciation. I can live with that. If I were a Clinton supporter, I'd cut him loose too.
Haveadream
(1,630 posts)You said:
AS I've said, it's over. No endorsement and no gesture from the establishment in recognition or appreciation. I can live with that.
That isn't quite the case. Bernie has been roundly praised by top Dems and his opponent for his hard fought campaign, energizing people to vote, helping the party, and shining a spotlight on economic issues:
Hillary:
http://time.com/4361099/hillary-clinton-nominee-speech-transcript/
President Obama:
I also want to thank everybody who turned out to vote and who worked so hard for our candidates. This has been a hard-fought race. I know some say these primaries have somehow left the Democratic party more divided. Well, they said that eight years ago as well. But just like eight years ago, there are millions of Americans, not just Democrats, who have cast their ballots for the very first time. And a lot of that is thanks to senator Bernie Sanders, who has run an incredible campaign. I had a great meeting with him this week, and I thanked him for shining a spotlight on issues like economic inequality and the outsized influence of money in our politics, and bringing young people into our process. Embracing that message is going to help us win in November. But more importantly, it will make the Democratic party stronger, and it will make America stronger.
http://www.bustle.com/articles/165939-the-transcript-of-obamas-hillary-clinton-endorsement-contains-a-powerful-message
Senators Reid and Schumer:
"I'm in a good place with Bernie," Reid said. "Bernie's going to be very good for the party...."Schumer of New York, the presumed Senate Democratic leader next year after Reid retires. Schumer told Sanders in that meeting that he was "proud" of what Sanders had accomplished and seemed confident that Sanders would bring millions of voters to the polls to take the majority back from the Republicans.
"He cares a lot about the Senate majority becoming Democratic," Schumer said. "On so many issues the Democratic Caucus and Bernie Sanders are aligned."
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/bernie-sanders-senate-democrats-meet-
Nancy Pelosi:
But Pelosi hailed Sanders for energizing young voters, arguing that his appeal will play to the advantage of all Democrats in November.
"Bernie Sanders is a positive force in the Democratic Party," Pelosi said during a press briefing in the Capitol.
"He has awakened in some people an interest in the political process that wasn't there. He has encouraged young people to channel their interest in public service and community leadership into a political place, because this is where decisions are made that'll affect their future and their lives. And I think that's positive."
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/280609-pelosi-defends-sanders-a-positive-force-for-dems
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)because "pragmatism" demands it.
Well, if "pragmatism" demands that HRC do whatever it takes to win, that would include "puckering up".
Weird how we are expected to sacrifice our dignity, morality and ethics, but she and her supporters are exempt.
Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #44)
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Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)You have the right to vote for Trump, or to help Trump by voting for a no-hoper or not voting at all, if that's what you want.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)I can make the argument that anyone voting for HRC is helping Trump win.
emulatorloo
(44,261 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Your vote is your own.
mr clean
(170 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)She will be nominated by Obama at the convention.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)...I don't believe she will "take steps to win his confidence before the Democratic convention."
I just don't see that happening at all.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)He should retire back to the Senate. It is unlikely he will be welcomed though. The Party Leaders are out of patience.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)Sometimes I read stuff here and I forget what site I'm on.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)and wow is she in for a surprise when it is dems who stop her bad ideas
840high
(17,196 posts)out of patience.
emulatorloo
(44,261 posts)He is a man of his word.
The issue for Bernie now is shaping the platform and helping make sure Trump will not become President. It may not be a full throated endorsement, but I believe he will endorse.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)An endorsement of Clinton as the only way to stop Trump?
Probably.
An endorsement of Clinton because he's "rallied behind her" and actually believes in her?
Don't see that happening, but then again, many people won't be able to tell the difference.
emulatorloo
(44,261 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)less relevant.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)You realize there's a reason he ran against her in the first place, right?
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)It is about time that a major politician just doesn't kiss the ring of the leaders because they were told to do so. It is a strength -- not a weakness -- to stand up for your convictions.
brush
(53,968 posts)That sounds like something out of bizzaro world, you know where up is down, bad is good, and losers actually win.
Maru Kitteh
(28,344 posts)How could she possibly be expected to understand or be trusted with big man-decisions like the platform, her campaign, her choice for VP, committee chairs, etc?
I can't help but notice, how many women of the party, and how few men, SBS seeks to take over the decision-making for.
Wonder why that is?
840high
(17,196 posts)Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,344 posts)swhisper1
(851 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Not all that noble if you ask me.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)I realize this is the Party he has criticized harshly for decades. This same party that he joined recently for the purpose of running for POTUS, and has now not given him any quarter. To me, he appears angry, bitter and vengeful. His actions lately seem to bare that out.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)"bear", not "bare".
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)I saw his little game from the beginning.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)The dismissive meme begins... it will be comical come the 16th how much of that will be allowed here on DU
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)You're entitled to your own perception but not your own facts, and 16th and on, you're posts concerning your perception will be regulated
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Sanders' endorsement. Get a hold of yourself.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)the other commentary bits you add refute your current reply
LoverOfLiberty
(1,438 posts)about what will change on the 16th, but I saw nothing in the poster you responded to deserving of censorship.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)that's the beauty of perception, you're entitled to your own, as am I.... I'll let the rules sort out the 'DU reality' as it pertains to where posts like this would fall
LoverOfLiberty
(1,438 posts)I think Sanders will become less relevant to the presidential race.
And if that is considered unacceptable to state on DU then I will gladly leave.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)again, you're entitled to your own perception, it's how you react and post here in DU in terms of how you present that perception that matters... will some HRC supporters push the boundaries on that, I'm betting they will
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)she doesn't need his endorsement. No violation of TOS when you respond directly to the OP. You are really reaching.....LOL
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)n/t
-none
(1,884 posts)And Bernie was negotiating from strength. Hence, no endorsement. He is not alone in the senate either. Nor will he be next year.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Bernie lost the primaries by every metric, and with Trump collapsing in the polls his endorsement is less necessary than it was seen to be a week ago.
-none
(1,884 posts)Where did Hillary's campaign money come from? Goldman Sachs, Wall street, Big banks, PACS. The Rich 1%
Where did Bernie's campaign money come from? His supporters.
The people, the 99%, that is where Bernie's strength comes from. Not the 1%
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)n/t
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)or his supporters.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)He's fading away fast.
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)Media coverage has moved onto the GE.
So have those who are not completely delusional.
treestar
(82,383 posts)that the loser can dictate to the winner. Never happened before.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,071 posts)Since when does the one who lost--so handily--dictate the agenda to the winner? Had we wanted his agenda, we would have supported him.
And he has nothing to exchange for a bargain, as he has said a number of times regarding his inability to sway his supporters. I find offensive his attempt to dictate change to the democratic party.
Native
(5,943 posts)at this point in the juncture. He's simply playing it for all he can get. And why not? Everyone agrees that what he accomplished this primary season was simply astounding. He's lost. Hillary won. Why can't we all be civil about it now and recognize all the positives that have come out of this primary instead of focusing on the negatives?
If Hillary or the party were to simply blow him off, as people here seem to think is their right, the alternative would be a nasty convention. Do you really think that the Democratic Party would like the convention to be all about how Bernie didn't endorse Hillary? Can you imagine how that would play out in the media? Yes, he would look like a sore loser to many, but I doubt he'd go down quietly. IOW, there'd be a nice long speech or statement in the media as to the reasons why he refused to endorse her. Obviously he's not going to be able to withhold an endorsement at that point without giving an explanation for doing so. Can you imagine the fun the other party would have with that?
I'm sure they'll be able to reach a compromise that keeps everyone placated. If Bernie doesn't get everything on his wish list, I'm sure they can find a position in Hillary's administration that will allow him to keep pushing his agenda.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)Thank you. I'm so used to reading "F**k you! He lost and you're all bunch of sore losers!" I'm paraphrasing of course.
Native
(5,943 posts)Native
(5,943 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)convention will be quite fun... buckle up, it's going to get a bit bumpy
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)You better hope the GOP doesn't drop Trump before the convention.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,071 posts)means that they have no ability for independent thought and follow Sanders like lemmings. I do not believe that.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)...and more of them deciding that they can vote for Clinton.
I can only speak for myself. I'm not waiting for a signal from anyone, and I fully expect that five months from now, I won't like or trust Clinton any more than I do right now, and I will probably vote for her to block Trump.
That's as enthusiastic as I get for a Clinton Presidency, but I also know the consequences of a Trump Presidency.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)don't care about her lowest likeability in history, or her FBI criminal investigation. . . nothing. It's all Hillary worship.
Bernie supporters are the opposite. It's just like Bernie says, it's not about him. It's about the ISSUES. Why anyone would support the oligarchs buying the candidates and the election and think that's a good think, is beyond me.
840high
(17,196 posts)the signal I will not support her.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)...Clinton has no right to expect the support of Sanders supporters without earning it.
We knew all along that this was going to be a possibility.
I can guarantee that "some" Sanders supporters are going to vote for Clinton in order to block Trump. How many is "some," and how many will cast a vote with no other support (cash / canvassing / phone banks / etc)? I don't know.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)would never vote for Clinton. That shocked everyone.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)I see movement already, both from the larger, rational subset of Sanders supporters, as well as from his more important endorsers in Congress and union groups. They've accepted Clinton as the nominee, and will definitely vote for her.
There will be a far smaller subset of mostly new voters or the type that clings to the "I won't vote for the lesser of two evils" ilk whose votes we've never had anyway. That happens every election. These people may be loud here, but they are a tiny drop in the ocean of the larger voting public. And their effect will be negligible.
And another factor to remember: there are a whole lot of Republicans who do not want to vote for Donald Trump. They may not vote for Clinton, but their staying home will more than offset the remaining Bernie or Bust people.
I'm not in the least concerned.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)The winner doesn't get to dictate to the loser, either.
I'm sure that when he referenced Clinton "taking steps," he said that with zero expectation of any steps being taken.
I think last night was a final goodbye between two people who are never going to see eye to eye, regardless of which one is the winner and which one is the loser.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Says a lot about what a weak candidate Bernie is and how badly he fizzled out at the end
840high
(17,196 posts)FBI investigation.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)You don't like him. I get it. I also don't think he'll be pissing up a rope any time soon because you've chosen to dismiss him.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)She can always change her mind later.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)niyad
(113,776 posts)rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)and will soon be irrelevant.
Native
(5,943 posts)because the alternative makes no sense. The Democratic party, especially Hillary, is very savvy. They recognize the contribution (albeit contentious) Sander's campaign has brought to the table. I mean, what rational person can't see the enormity and importance of this singular accomplishment of his. I can't see Bernie just fading off into the sunset, and in order to see anything of his platform come to fruition, he is going to have to bargain. And if people don't think that deals are going to be cut and Bernie will be assured an important position in the Clinton Administration, I think they are only fooling themselves.
Bernie has an ego that can be appealed to and a cause that he has built and will take great pains to see continue. I am sure that both sides will do what it takes for everyone to move forward in a positive fashion.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Demsrule86
(68,768 posts)Sanders endorsement might have meant something , but not anymore. She should just ignore him.
Native
(5,943 posts)and I do believe they need his endorsement at the convention. I've outlined my rationale for this in another post here.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)If she did that, she'd be a manipulator. If he sought to have his ego stroked, he'd be a weakling. I know some people here feel that it's exactly what he is...they voice it consistently. I don't agree.
Native
(5,943 posts)That's not manipulation. And I would imagine that Hillary, just like Bernie's supporters, doesn't think that Bernie can even BE manipulated. I sure don't. Bottom line, you have to take everything into consideration at the bargaining table. And people in politics have some of the biggest egos there are. Heck, they have to. Do you think it would be manipulative to take Donald Trump's ego into consideration when dealing with him? Of course not. He's all ego, so it would be impossible not to take his ego into consideration as it factors into every decision he's made. Bernie is not a saint. He has an ego. Nothing like Trump's, but I'm sure it's a healthy one. Imagine doing all the incredible work he's done and then not getting what you want at the bargaining table and having to walk away without any concessions. Don't you think something reflecting that negatively on him would bother him? Do you think he doesn't care about his reputation? Doesn't care about what he's accomplished? Doesn't take some personal pride in what he's done? Of course he does. And that's his ego. Nothing wrong with having an ego, and nothing wrong with taking it into consideration at the bargaining table.
Pastiche423
(15,406 posts)Her administration????
I hope he never endorses Her. Why should he? All she wants is his delegates and she'll lie like hell to get them.
He would get zero in return for his endorsement.
Pastiche423
(15,406 posts)Her administration???
I hope he never endorses Her. Why should he? All she wants is his delegates. She won't change her ways. She'll lie like hell to get what she wants.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)at least.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)Sanders discussions are not prohibited as long as they don't promote him as the nominee.
I have no idea how the hell "Sanders discussions" are going to skirt around that. My guess is that a truckload of content will be hidden or removed tomorrow.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)Demsrule86
(68,768 posts)Sanders can't even get his voters to the polls ...how can he deliver votes for Hillary? Too little too late...bye bye Sanders. You have disgraced yourself with your refusal to concede when you lost by all measures. Sore loser.
Native
(5,943 posts)Geez, Bernie has pissed me off royally throughout 90% of the primary, and I can't believe I'm actually taking his side here. Well, actually I'm not taking his side, I'm just recognizing the fact that Hillary's campaign is super smart, and I don't see them making any decisions that will encourage rancor and distrust among his supporters.
JonathanRackham
(1,604 posts)Demsrule86
(68,768 posts)he lost ...so needs to get the hell off the stage.
RandySF
(59,614 posts)For example, neither the DNC nor the Clinton campaign can control how many poll workers show up at state-run primaries. He knows this (or he SHOULD know this). Yesterday was a dog-and-pony show for attention while Hillary and the president speak out against hatred toward the Muslim and LGBT communities. Super delegates and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz at a time like this? He should fly home to Vermont and take his conditions with him.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)If she wants those numbers to change she needs to keep Bernies supporters at least nominally within the Democratic fold.
She needs Bernie to do that imo.
jamese777
(546 posts)From yesterday: National poll: Clinton up 12 percentage points on Trump
By NOLAN D. MCCASKILL 06/14/16 05:17 PM EDT Updated 06/14/16 05:48 PM EDT
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/bloomberg-poll-224337#ixzz4Bg5L5hWZ
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Like when Bernie didn't read the whole article and reacted to a bogus headline
apcalc
(4,465 posts)He'll do what he wants, she'll do what she wants.
We can hope all will work together against the defeat of Trump.
End of story.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Bernie so that he in turn can try to convince his supporters.
oasis
(49,455 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,344 posts)oasis
(49,455 posts)in Philadelphia.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)He's toxic now and he isn't going to help.
nolabear
(42,001 posts)Is he really going to go off in an ideological huff rather than work get things moved over as much as possible and prepare for the long haul toward the progressive government he says he wants? Because that's what he CAN do, stop trying to be an icon and become the actual force that he can be. That's what he's got. If he turns his back on it he turns his back on his people.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)...can "become the actual force that he can be" by giving a 100%, authentic, no "going by the motions" endorsement of Clinton.
Yes, he can say "We have to stop Trump," and I believe he should continue to say that, and because Clinton is our only means of doing so, bu default, that is an "endorsement."
I don't see how he can align himself any closer with her than that and still be Bernie Sanders.
A good number of supporters feel the same way...a vote is a vote, not a vote of confidence.
She's what we've got to work with. I'm not going to rehash the whole litany of why she is not my candidate of choice, but she's not. So maybe a vote needs to be good enough, and if she spends the next four years keeping her promises...like this one on Social Security:
Social Security and Medicare
We must preserve, protect, and strengthen these lifelines.
Hillary will:
Fight any effort to privatize or weaken Medicare and Social Security, and expand Social Security for todays beneficiaries and generations to come by asking the wealthiest to contribute more.
Reform our health care system to incentivize and reward quality care.
Demand lower prices for prescription drugs for seniors receiving Medicare.
Expand Social Security benefits for widows and those who took time out of the paid workforce to care for a child or sick family member.
I won't cut Social Security. ... I'll defend it, and I'll expand it.
...then I'll be the first person to step up and say she kept her word. That means no hands in the cookie jar, period. No "redistribution" of funds for anything, and especially not to finance more wars. As long she keeps her word, I'll give her credit. And if she doesn't, there is no way in hell that she'll get a second term vote for me, no matter who is running against her, because if we mess with Social Security, it's a death sentence for every Senior who paid into the system.
I am hoping, believe it or not, that I am seriously off-base when it comes to even entertaining that possibility. I know some people might tell me right now "YES, you ARE," but they're not Hillary Clinton, and unless they are sitting in the same room with her right now writing policy, they're no better informed than I am...it's their opinion of what they believe she will or won't do.
Trust is earned. She hasn't earned mine.
nolabear
(42,001 posts)StevieM
(10,500 posts)Imagine reading an article entitled: "Clinton withholds endorsement until Obama takes steps to win her confidence."
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)She saw him as unfit for the entire season. And then changed course suddenly. And then suddenly was SOS.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)so often in debates. Her current campaign began in 2008 when she conceded. Bernie has no future presidential plans.
niyad
(113,776 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,344 posts)niyad
(113,776 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)She didn't win a thing.
niyad
(113,776 posts)Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)and if you haven't gotten it by reading the responses in this thread, I'm not going to attempt to explain it to you.
niyad
(113,776 posts)demands.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Just like any other candidate.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)We already know that he doesn't trust anyone other than himself. He considers everyone to be corrupt and dangerous if they don't agree with him 100%.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)Sanders is plecged to support the nominee.
They're talking, folks. Chill for a while, and we may yet get our respective ponies. Recall that it's not technically legal to cut a deal for Sanders' endorsement before Philly.
In the meantime, let's see if our presumptive nominee won't start cutting deals with us for our support?
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)and if she did, it would be changed back at the first opportune time. She cannot be trusted.
Bernie, I think, knows this may be the last chance to bring some old Democratic Party issues to the fore. I hope not, but this was kind of a surprise to everyone. So, I'm with a lot of other people asking him to stay...to fend off the insults and hysteria of the Clinton folk...and start creating a new Real Faction that is slightly left of Center. What a concept.
History will be kinder than the bleating sheep.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)Not being the Democratic nominee doesn't mean he's going to stop and fade into the background. It's good for Hillary that he's doing this, whether or not her fervent supporters can see it.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)This is exactly what he is doing ...
He has half a country of human voting currency, and he is spending it wisely, ON OUR BEHALF!
Once again, Sanders transcends the petty bullshit of a riven forum, and does that right thing, even if it pisses off a percentage of those forum denizens to no end ...
Go Bernie! ... Get those concessions! ...
And then? .. Let's talk about political parties in the United States of America, and how well they represent the wishes and desires of the GREATER number of Americans ...
Andy823
(11,495 posts)Post like this are not helping to calm things down, right?
Both sides need to stop bashing the other candidate and start working towards the goal of making sure Trump does not get into the WH. This kind of post is nothing but flam bait, and I think you know that.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)I can't control the conversation that resulted after I posted it.
The post is not flame bait, and for you to accuse me of posting it for that reason is sure one hell of an odd way to show your desire to "work towards the goal."
Save the condescension for someone who appreciates it.
SirBrockington
(259 posts)SirBrockington
(259 posts)CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)LuvLoogie
(7,066 posts)The F35 boondoggle.
He's Ted Nugent daring the Democratic Party to draft him.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)If anyone said anything like that about Hillary you'd set out the alert and run to the fainting couch clutching your pearls. So why not just cool it?
LuvLoogie
(7,066 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)fainting couch, smelling salts and pearl clutching. I've seen it. I've been on the wrong side of it.
LuvLoogie
(7,066 posts)Do you think he even wants to be a Democrat?
He is not getting DWS' head. He is recalcitrance looking for someone/something to pin it on. People are increasingly getting behind Hillary and the Dems.
Bernie is going to start bogging his supporters down and keeping them from any real progress.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)Funny when I read this I see a step toward unity - yet you see it completely different. And you are on the Winners side????
"Aides to Mrs. Clinton said she had never expected his endorsement Tuesday night. A statement from the Clinton campaign after the meeting described it as a positive discussion about their primary campaign, about unifying the party and about the dangerous threat that Donald Trump poses to our nation. They discussed issues like raising wages and reducing college costs, and agreed to continue working on their shared agenda, including through the platform development process for the upcoming Democratic National Convention.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)He is disappearing. I'm sure some of his luster is gone after he petered out at the end. He was rather pathetic at the end still begging for donations and making some of his gullible followers believe he still had a chance
840high
(17,196 posts)niyad
(113,776 posts)supporters if the numbers had gone the other way, and HRC was pulling this kind of bs?
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)supporters by just doing the clear, consistent campaigning you are already doing.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)God forbid that he would bring any value to her "clear, consistent campaign"...or her Presidency. That would be downright awful.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)TNProfessor
(83 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)To influence the party in a major way. They are willing to give on many platforms issues that Hillary actually supports. But has realized the country was not with her. Thanks to Bernie demonstrating they are popular and with a self destructing opponent Hillary would actually support those issues.
Unfortunately I think Bernie cannot give up grudges and will insist that Hillary publicly humiliate DWS and other DNC leaders, even though they are pretty much done. She will tell him no deal and he will walk with the war won but insisting on humiliation.
And he is too bitter to see that most of his supporters have moved on. Of course those on this site are the hard core, but it is becoming apparent that she really does not need his endorsement.
I hope I am wrong because I want Bernies issues in the platform.
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)sorry if democracy is taking a long time, the frantic rush to declare a winner needs to push pause. Not only the election gets taken over but TIME ITSELF is getting stolen--by not allowing all contested states to be counted.
Like New York (from AzDar's post):
The city Board of Elections has reinstated purged Brooklyn voters after mistakenly removing more than 120,000 voters from the rolls in the run-up to the New York presidential primary in April.
All of the voters that were the subject of the June 18th and July 5th purges that occurred last year have been reactivated and will appear in the poll list books for the June primary, said Michael Ryan, executive director of the city Board of Elections, at their weekly meeting on Tuesday.
http://www.wnyc.org/story/board-elections-returns-purged-brooklyn-voters-rolls/
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)A real Democrat may have to face him in 2018.
Number23
(24,544 posts)All of Sanders' unnecessary posturing about Clinton needing to "prove" herself to him is just the shit cherry on top of the world's shittiest sundae which was his craptacularly horribly run campaign. At this point, I don't think that anyone would expect anything less from him.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)And the presumptive nominee does not cowtow to the loser. Kinda goes without say.....