Before DU enacts its censorship rules...

[tom-servo]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by hrmjustin (a host of the 2016 Postmortem forum).

- Though it looks like the big, established money might win this round, a genuine campaign of the people almost toppled the biggest name in democratic politics from the inside the democratic party.

- Though the democratic party lost this opportunity to go clean and sober, we can hope it caught a glimpse of some of its older ideals, ideals that made it a great party. More than likely though, a part of it will have to calve off and join a more vibrant independent movement.

- Social justice issues are important and we've made significant progress on them during my lifetime. However, economic injustice and the ensuing imbalance of power has gotten much worse during that same time period, and I agree with Senator Sanders that it is our biggest problem.

[LexVegas]

1. Can't spew the hate any more, so you haz a sad?

[Octafish]

26. Speaking of spew.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=313074&sub=trans

[NurseJackie]

40. Speaking of targeting, and an 85/15 majority.

[Triana]

33. There isn't one iota of hate in the OP's post.

There is a lot of it oozing from your response to it though.

Stop projecting.

[leveymg]

39. That's the sort of provocative hate post that "makes DU suck."

This petty invective also must end.

[Trust Buster]

2. It's important to be realistic and do the heavy lifting at the grass roots. Short cuts will not work

[tom-servo]

6. A president in sympathy with the grassroots would have helped.

[Trust Buster]

14. The President spoke many times about his frustration with low voter turnout, especially in the

midterms. People expect him to move his agenda but will not make the effort to afford him the political power to do so. Grass roots organization is long and hard but essential. Democracy is not a spectator sport. There are no short cuts.

[auntpurl]

21. "Don't boo! Vote!"

[auntpurl]

10. Agree. Run for Comptroller.

Run for school board. Run for Dog catcher. Build a groundswell! Hell, I'm a moderate but if the party wants to move left, well, I'm not gonna desert them now.

(To be fair, I don't know what a Comptroller does, I just know that I've voted for the Democratic one in loads of elections. )

[PJMcK]

28. You made me look it up, auntpurl

Here's Wikipedia's description:

"A comptroller is a management level position responsible for supervising the quality of accounting and financial reporting of an organization"

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comptroller

[auntpurl]

30. Huh! Good to know.

[leftofcool]

3. Madame President! That is the new meme like it or not.

[brooklynite]

4. Considering that the Bernie Sanders Group couldn't deign to accept the slightest negativity...

...I'd say you don't have much to complain about.

[tom-servo]

9. Censorship is censorship no getting around it.

[beachbum bob]

5. the people voted for the best nominee.... the people won

[tom-servo]

11. ok.

[brooklynite]

7. How many votes is "almost"?

Clinton: 16,463,532
Sanders 12,650,663

[tom-servo]

13. That many votes.

[Lil Missy]

8. That's wonderful! You should start a website for your ideas!

One without "censorship". That way Republicans and other wing-nut cases can chime in too!

You wouldn't miss us - since you've only been here a couple weeks.

[treestar]

12. The Board is for Democrats

It is also "censored" from Republicans.

[emulatorloo]

15. You are new here. After the GE the rules switch back

Every presidential season DU has primary wars.
Then when the nominee is chosen, DU goes into election mode, working to elect Dem
Then after the election, the rules switch back. When Clinton is inaugurated you can hold her feet to the fire.

Also you are quite mistaken if you think you will be 'censored' if you talk about economic inequality and the other issues Bernie brought forward.

[bettyellen]

17. The rules to support Dems will be enforced after the election too....

Skinner has no desire to let this site continue to be controlled by people who hate Dems. Check ATA.

[rjsquirrel]

16. Censorship is done by governments

DU is just starting to enforce its house rules.


You are free to find a new house.

Bernie still lost.

And incomes, employment, and the number of insured have all risen under our current president, who endorsed Hillary, along with great strides in social justice. So your analysis appears incorrect. The fantasy that Bernie would have accelerated any of these gains didn't move a majority of working class *voters* so no, you aren't the people's choice and no one cheated you out of anything,you just did not make the case.

[tom-servo]

22. It's censorship, just a form that a majority (maybe) on this site agree with...

... and I wasn't actually running.

[randome]

18. 'Almost toppled'? He didn't come close.

25 years in the Senate and the Sanders 'revolution' has gone nowhere. How much longer do you keep someone on the payroll who keeps saying he'll get the hang of the job any day now?

I'm all in favor of a revolution but Sanders is not the one to lead it. That should have been obvious.

[tom-servo]

20. He came way closer than he should have...

... but you keep making yourself feel better.

[Miles Archer]

19. It's only "censorship" if...

..you missed the part about this being a Democrat-centric Website, whose primary purpose for the next 5 months is to see that a Democrat ends up in the White House, rather than the foaming man possum with a bad combover.

Look, I just posted what I consider to be my last word on this in another thread.

Clinton and Sanders met last night for two hours. The end result was not an endorsement from Sanders. The reason for that is that he wants her to "take steps to win his confidence before the Democratic convention," and that...is...not...going...to...happen.

She's not going to be taking any steps, and he's not going to endorse her. Elvis has left the building.

That is my closure.

No matter what I think of Bernie Sanders (and I am a supporter), the "presumptive nominee" is not obligated to "take steps" to appease the person who did not secure the nomination. Life...and politics in particular...just doesn't work that way.

On the other hand, if Sanders gave an endorsement last night, there is no way in hell that 100% of his supporters would have gotten behind that, no freaking way.

So good for Clinton. She's sticking to her agenda. And good for Sanders. He's sticking to his.

That's it, the great "sore winners / sore losers / "Call it, Skinner" debate is over for me.

My first choice was to have Sanders as the nominee. That didn't happen.

My second choice was to have things exactly where they are now.

If anyone else needs "closure," and they're not on board with what I laid out in the first paragraph, this is probably not going to be a particularly welcoming site as of tomorrow. This is not a "free speech zone." It's a private Website owned by individuals who have the right to set the tone of what appears here, and right now that tone is Clinton versus Trump, with all efforts going toward making sure that Trump goes down in defeat.

But cute kitten pictures are still welcome in the Lounge. Just sayin'...

[geek tragedy]

23. the people chose Clinton and Sanders was never close to toppling her nt

[tom-servo]

25. ok.

[sharp_stick]

24. Gonna be a lot of Whambulance calls today

Can't wait until tomorrow. I'm sure a lot of "Democrats" will be back in just under 8 years to continue.

[tom-servo]

27. With Hillary Clinton as the nominee...

... political discussions of this kind will be a lot less compelling and a lot more predictable. While there was the prospect of nominating someone like Bernie Sanders, I had to participate a little. If it makes you feel better to think that makes me something other than a "Democrat", that's fine.

[Octafish]

29. ''Get up. Stand up. Don't give up the fight.'' -- Bob Marley

Bernie's movement IS about social justice, equality, and democracy. His candidacy has made clear who really runs Washington: the monied class. They used to own just one political party, now the rich own two. It's up to you, tom-servo, and all who care to restore power to its rightful owners:

[CorkySt.Clair]

31. I missed the part where this was a government run website

[tom-servo]

35. You don't have to a government body...

... to be a censor.

[CorkySt.Clair]

36. Wrong!

No wonder Sanders followers were so up in arms all primary long. They don't know basic civics.

[BobbyDrake]

41. This. So much this.

They embarrassed themselves with their ignorance.

It was a movement based on pure truthiness!

[PDittie]

32. Avoiding the meta disagreements ... what Sanders did

was establish a new paradigm for funding presidential elections. And I believed he accomplished that mostly as a force of nature. If he hands off my email address (and everybody else's that he has) to Clinton I'll be more than a little disappointed. I'll just have to wait and see what comes to my inbox, I suppose. This account amkes it seem as the two aren't ... well, not quite seeing seeing eye to eye.

The Clinton campaign said that the candidates "discussed a variety of progressive issues where they share common goals like raising wages for working families, eliminating undisclosed money in politics and reducing the cost of college for students and their families."

The Clinton statement said that the two talked about "unifying the party," but the Sanders statement did not, as NBC News noted.

[tom-servo]

34. Yeah, that was probably his campaign's biggest achievement...

... and it is a significant one, I think. It would be hard for him to fully unify behind Hillary Clinton and maintain his integrity to his supporters. The best he can do is "work with her".

[Ohioblue22]

37. The Bernie group is Censorship at it's finest. In fact I was just censored and banned and you

Want to cry Censorship. AND censored the response to my post.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

38. Ofcourse you think economic justice trumps social justice

Which one effects you more personally?

[Nye Bevan]

42. Can I come into your house and loudly praise Donald Trump?

No? So I guess you have "censorship rules" too.

[hrmjustin]

43. Locking. Disruptive Meta is not allowed in GDP.