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MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:00 AM Jun 2016

Anyone who has been paying attention during these primaries

can recognize that the Sanders campaign tells a story that should be told and retold. Supporters of Bernie Sanders have done something quite remarkable. They championed a presidential candidate who stepped into a major party's primary race as an outsider and they managed to propel him into a genuinely competitive position, despite his eventual loss.

Now, those Sanders supporters should be able to understand that they can make things happen by participating in the process. Now is the time for them to demonstrate their strength by sweeping Republicans out of office, and in all 50 states. This year is the beginning of an opportunity to move this country out of the hands of the right, starting in every district, state and federal.

By participating in every election that comes up from now on, with the enthusiasm and grassroots energy they have demonstrated, they're on the verge of changing politics in the United States forever. But only if they will do it. Yes, Hillary Clinton will become the next President. But that's not the point.

Voting is the point. In 2016, all of those millennials and others who supported Bernie Sanders can help swing state and federal legislative elections nationwide. All they have to do is show up at the polling places in November and vote. The Democratic candidates may not be ideal, but they're on the ballots. Elect them. Then, between November, 2016 and November, 2018, go find better ones.

In the meantime, if the Democratic Party can regain control of the Senate and some state legislatures in 2016, the trend will begin. The Sanders supporters can help do that, by turning out in record numbers in all 50 states. In 2018, that trend can flip the House of Representatives and even more state legislatures. Then, in 2020, those efforts will result in reversing the gerrymandering in many states and even more progressives can be recruited and promoted into office.

Between 2016 and 2020, there will be new Supreme Court justices appointed, along with judges in many, many federal courts. That Democratic Senate will support them, rather than obstructing their appointments. Meanwhile, the process of finding better and better candidates for all offices can continue.

There is much opportunity here. By taking advantage of that, we can transform politics in this country. You've learned how during the 2016 primaries. Take that into November elections and onward. Make change happen. Exert the power that you demonstrated in pushing Bernie Sanders almost to victory.

Here's what I and many others in the previous generations will do to help: We will help you elect those new leaders. We will vote with you. We will provide financial support for candidates you find who will move the country forward. We have your back in this. 2016 is the beginning of a new politics. Stick with it and we'll be there for you.

I promise!

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Anyone who has been paying attention during these primaries (Original Post) MineralMan Jun 2016 OP
Good post. It's what we and they need. Support for their efforts. Engagement. floriduck Jun 2016 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author MineralMan Jun 2016 #3
there's a flaw in your point... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #4
There are flaws in everyone's points. MineralMan Jun 2016 #6
interesting pivot deflection in reply to my post... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #8
"you and I both know what I stated is truth" TwilightZone Jun 2016 #10
Here are my statements... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #12
The flaw here is, that in some cases it being "about principal" is based on conspiracy theories ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #21
again, my statments, point out where there isn't truth... I'll wait HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #23
Ok ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #26
interesting... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #31
I am responding to your post ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #36
I voted for Bernie. I donated to him. whatthehey Jun 2016 #27
interesting... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #33
Neither of us can speak for all Sanders supporters whatthehey Jun 2016 #38
Good God! The posters is giving credit where credit is due to Sanders supporters and . . . brush Jun 2016 #14
...corrected... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #17
Still with the "estalishment" dissing? brush Jun 2016 #25
...Why not just accept that support... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #30
Again with the insults. You have no idea what my positions are, and what I've done. brush Jun 2016 #32
WOW... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #34
Forget it. I'm done. brush Jun 2016 #35
One of the most relevant posts... orwell Jun 2016 #5
Thank you. I appreciate your response. MineralMan Jun 2016 #7
K&R Jack Bone Jun 2016 #9
The problem is electing more corporate Democrats just digs the hole deeper and it leads to further Skwmom Jun 2016 #11
Just a stopgap. Allowing more Republicans to gain office MineralMan Jun 2016 #18
Clinton and Obama controlled ALL THREE branches. And yet here we are... Skwmom Jun 2016 #41
As the old saying goes, all politics is local. That's where it has to start. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #13
The process has begun. May it continue. MineralMan Jun 2016 #20
Good post. nt BootinUp Jun 2016 #15
Good post, points out appreciation of the Sanders movement and how to help. brush Jun 2016 #16
Thanks so much! MineralMan Jun 2016 #19
K&R ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #22
Thank you. Let the healing and continued progress begin. MineralMan Jun 2016 #24
I'm not some Johnny Come Lately TSIAS Jun 2016 #28
Nor am I. I'm 70, and have done the same since 1966. MineralMan Jun 2016 #29
A straight up gloat would be less off-putting than this inauthentic patronizing crap Fumesucker Jun 2016 #37
I always appreciate your feedback... MineralMan Jun 2016 #39
Ha, so true..... Sivart Jun 2016 #40
I remember when you didn't want to be associated with Bernie supporters. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #42
"they can make things happen by participating in the process." brooklynite Jun 2016 #43
Not much choice in that. MineralMan Jun 2016 #44

Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Response to CorkySt.Clair (Reply #2)

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
4. there's a flaw in your point...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:15 AM
Jun 2016

you refer to party, what is occurring within the current grassroots isn't about D or R, it's about principle... you cannot co-opt principle

you stated 'Meanwhile, the process of finding better and better candidates for all offices can continue. There is much opportunity here'

Isn't that the CORE issue, what you define as 'better and better' isn't what the grassroots define as 'better'...

There is a contemptuous level of disdain/disrespect in effort to understand the WHY millions and millions of folks voted for BErnie 'Voting is the point. In 2016, all of those millennials and others who supported Bernie Sanders' ... 'All they have to do is show up at the polling places in November and vote. The Democratic candidates may not be ideal, but they're on the ballots. Elect them.'

Until you and other establishment DEMs take the time to listen and understand, well... consider the 2016 primary process to be the 'shot across the bow'....

You post here is expected, I had hoped for better from folks within the establishment to respect the movement, but alas this election cycle is more of the same

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
8. interesting pivot deflection in reply to my post...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:26 AM
Jun 2016

you and I both know what I stated is truth, come convention more truth will be made to establishment...

either address it now or don't, but in the end it will be addressed, the lack of understanding of movements by establishment is well documented throughout human history and the outcomes as always the same...

Maybe this time establishment learns from the past and makes better choices?

TwilightZone

(25,456 posts)
10. "you and I both know what I stated is truth"
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:40 AM
Jun 2016

No, what you stated is your opinion. Confusing the two terms is a rather common DU affliction.

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
12. Here are my statements...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:43 AM
Jun 2016

'you refer to party, what is occurring within the current grassroots isn't about D or R, it's about principle... you cannot co-opt principle'

'Isn't that the CORE issue, what you define as 'better and better' isn't what the grassroots define as 'better'...'

'There is a contemptuous level of disdain/disrespect in effort to understand the WHY millions and millions of folks voted for Bernie'

'Until you and other establishment DEMs take the time to listen and understand, well... consider the 2016 primary process to be the 'shot across the bow'....

You post here is expected, I had hoped for better from folks within the establishment to respect the movement, but alas this election cycle is more of the same'

point out where there isn't truth.. I'll wait...

ismnotwasm

(41,975 posts)
21. The flaw here is, that in some cases it being "about principal" is based on conspiracy theories
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:02 PM
Jun 2016

Lies and innuendo. As well as an abysmal lack of knowledge regarding basic civics.

ismnotwasm

(41,975 posts)
26. Ok
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:15 PM
Jun 2016
you refer to party, what is occurring within the current grassroots isn't about D or R, it's about principle... you cannot co-opt principle

you stated 'Meanwhile, the process of finding better and better candidates for all offices can continue. There is much opportunity here'

Isn't that the CORE issue, what you define as 'better and better' isn't what the grassroots define as 'better'...


Yes you can, when "principal" has been co-opted by lies and conspiracy theories.

"There is a contemptuous level of disdain/disrespect in effort to understand the WHY millions and millions of folks voted for Bernie"


I don't agree with this at all, there are dozens of articles, op-eds and analysis ect. dissecting the appeal of Sanders, the conclusions have had a contemptuous flavor at times, that is true, but people are still thinking about it and talking about it. In that way, Sanders campaign was very, very successful.

Until you and other establishment DEMs take the time to listen and understand, well... consider the 2016 primary process to be the 'shot across the bow'....


Well personally I am anything but "an establishment dem"--If I was going to vote outside the system we have--which I did for years-- Sanders isn't nearly radical enough. The hard-core Radicals I know feel the same way. Kind of a meh.



 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
31. interesting...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:35 PM
Jun 2016

your points are presented without facts in support of those points presented

care to revise and add those?

ismnotwasm

(41,975 posts)
36. I am responding to your post
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:05 PM
Jun 2016

What "facts" do you want? Links? Isn't the the original argument the one of "facts" vs "opinion", where you say you are stating facts, yet the statement is coached in terms of opinion--that in itself is a flawed premise.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
27. I voted for Bernie. I donated to him.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:17 PM
Jun 2016

I wasn't shooting anything across anybody's bow. I define any current Dem as far better than any current Rep. You'd have to go back to Zell Miller and Arne Carlson to make that not true. I feel neither disdained nor disrespected by the very sensible proposal to vote for Dems. I'm one of the millions you mention and I just thought his priorities and use of the bully pulpit were more to my taste than HRC's. Still are, but the primary is over bar the Philly kabuki. Not everyone who supported Sanders, by a large margin, was or is a wild-eyed radical who wants to tear up the Dem party and start again at the furthest left part of the Dem big tent.

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
33. interesting...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:41 PM
Jun 2016

Where did I state 'wild-eyed radical'? I stated grassroots, are you making the claim they are the same?

When did pointing out principle over party become a negative? Doesn't principle matter more than party?

I understand the 'I' in your reply, my point still holds though... look no further than posts here from either sides supporting group to verify my point


whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
38. Neither of us can speak for all Sanders supporters
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:54 PM
Jun 2016

And the grass roots are the Dem party activists who support the party considtently, rather than people newly brought to the table by a new kind of candidate. What the OP is calling for and what I support too is that these folks become the grass roots party volunteers. If you want to make Dems have different principles as a party the way to do it is from the inside by showing up at precinct and constituency and state and eventually national meetings and making your voice heard. The people who do that make the party in their image

brush

(53,764 posts)
14. Good God! The posters is giving credit where credit is due to Sanders supporters and . . .
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:50 AM
Jun 2016

find fault with that.

Amazing.

He's offering support going forward in backing better, more progressive candidates.

What the hell is the problem with that?

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
17. ...corrected...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:53 AM
Jun 2016

'There is a contemptuous level of disdain/disrespect in effort to understand the WHY millions and millions of folks voted for Bernie'

"He's offering support going forward in backing better, more progressive candidates."

What are the specifics and timeline for this so called 'support'?

We are dealing with politicians so you'll have to forgive me in accepting anything establishment folks state in terms of changing the very system they reside in...

brush

(53,764 posts)
25. Still with the "estalishment" dissing?
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:07 PM
Jun 2016

Come up to the 21st century and leave that 60s-era, campus radical phrase ("fighting the establishment&quot in the past where it belongs.

The OP is offering an olive branch of unity and support to Sanders supporters in hopes that his movement continues and is successful in getting better, more progressive candidates elected in the future.

Why not just accept that support and work on building your movement while knowing that there are people from previous generations of progressives who will help?

And btw, my progressive bona fides go back a ways. You maybe shouldn't insult people willing to help you.

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
30. ...Why not just accept that support...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:32 PM
Jun 2016

again you cannot co-opt principle

ask yourself WHY are we here so far to the right of actual progressive/liberal ideology within DEM party and the current presumptive nominee?



brush

(53,764 posts)
32. Again with the insults. You have no idea what my positions are, and what I've done.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:36 PM
Jun 2016

People are willing to help and all you do is insult people.

You won't be successful that way.

Read post number 5. It might give you a better idea of a way to jump start Sanders' movement. Everything has a starting point and demanding 100% percent purity from everyone will get you nowhere.

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
34. WOW...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:45 PM
Jun 2016

my asking this 'ask yourself WHY are we here so far to the right of actual progressive/liberal ideology within DEM party and the current presumptive nominee?' with a video of presumptive nominee holding a RW policy stance as her position to prove that shift right and making this point 'again you cannot co-opt principle' considered 'insulting'... when did actual facts become 'insults'?


orwell

(7,771 posts)
5. One of the most relevant posts...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:17 AM
Jun 2016

...I have read here in awhile.

You can't have a revolution without the revolutionaries showing up.

If you truly believe in toppling the hierarchy it begins with massive numbers at the ballot box on election day. It is the epitome of instigating change form the ground up.

The Cons have always understood this and have ginned up their minorities to show up in numbers on election day.

If you are really tired of the status quo, it isn't one man or woman that will lead you out of the abyss, it is the inherent strength in your numbers.

Vote as many democrats into office as you can, at every level that you can. In California we have some offices that don't even have a Republican running. That is how a revolution begins.

Bernie voiced a plea for the common person that spread like wildfire through a disgusted electorate. It's time to let that fire spread to the walled citadel that houses the corrupt warlords of the Republican party.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
7. Thank you. I appreciate your response.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:24 AM
Jun 2016

Creating a new majority is the solution. The old majority is fading. Time for a new one.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
11. The problem is electing more corporate Democrats just digs the hole deeper and it leads to further
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:42 AM
Jun 2016

disillusionment of voters.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
18. Just a stopgap. Allowing more Republicans to gain office
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:55 AM
Jun 2016

is much, much worse. Elect Democrats this year. Replace the ones who don't meet expectations at the next election. It's a process. It's the only process that will work.

We need to build a new majority. Until we have that new majority, stopgap measures are required. That majority does not yet exist. If it did, we'd be voting for Bernie Sanders in November.

Right now, there is a strong, eager minority that can build a new majority. It will not happen in one election year.

TwilightZone

(25,456 posts)
13. As the old saying goes, all politics is local. That's where it has to start.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:46 AM
Jun 2016

This is exactly the approach we need to take to move forward, and your post hits all the right marks.

The next two elections are extremely important for the reason you noted - redistricting next happens in 2020 in connection with the 2020 Census. We need to be in a position to reverse the nonsense people like Tom Delay shoved through in previous efforts.

TSIAS

(14,689 posts)
28. I'm not some Johnny Come Lately
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:19 PM
Jun 2016

I'm 32, have voted Democrat in EVERY election since I was 18. I've voted for the shittiest Democrats against the Republican.

I vote in midterms, local elections, runoffs, and that happened well before Sanders ever ran for President.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
37. A straight up gloat would be less off-putting than this inauthentic patronizing crap
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:26 PM
Jun 2016

Everyone who has been paying attention to this forum during the primaries knows you've been attacking Sanders and his supporters continuously.

Your credibility to praise either Sanders or his supporters is zero just like my credibility to praise Clinton or her supporters is zero. The difference between us is I don't think everyone else on DU is chuckleheaded enough to believe me if I were to do a 180 on Clinton.

You told us at least once some time ago that you were not going to participate in this forum any more, your promises are worth nothing.

aikoaiko

(34,165 posts)
42. I remember when you didn't want to be associated with Bernie supporters.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 04:43 PM
Jun 2016

Looks like things have changed.

brooklynite

(94,489 posts)
43. "they can make things happen by participating in the process."
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 04:51 PM
Jun 2016

As long as they recognize that "participating in the process" means that OTHER voters get a voice as well...

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