You have to accomplish something

[metroins]

At some point, during a winning process, you have to accomplish a goal.

Sanders right now is not accomplishing any goals. He set out to win, and it's OK that he didn't; sometimes you don't win. But he has had a second chance to accomplish some goals and he is squandering that chance. Endorsing Hillary, backing the Democratic party and joining the ship would have put him in a position to accomplish something.

If he continues his line of choices, after the convention, none of his goals will be completed. He'll have a speech, a rally but then nothing.

At some point you have to actually do something.

If you're a Bernie supporter, how do you see him actually getting something done?

[Cali_Democrat]

1. Sanders has been like that his entire career

He's been in Congress for 25 years and he's accomplished almost nothing.

He talks a good game, but that's about it.

[metroins]

2. Now that he has a chance

He's squandering it.

Makes no sense.

Talking is worth nothing.

[geek tragedy]

9. he doesn't know how to negotiate, only how to resist and criticize

he's the same man he's been for the past 40 years

[Txbluedog]

11. This times a million

[cali]

18. that is simply as false a statement as could be.

But hey, it's you.

[democrattotheend]

23. That's not true

He's accomplished plenty. He's just not one of those legislators who pushes to have his name on everything for publicity/credit sake.

My understanding is that Hillary does not have a lot of big legislative accomplishments to her name for the same reason. But few New Yorkers will dispute that she was a hardworking legislator when she was in the Senate.

[floriduck]

3. He's keeping the Revolution supporters alive by example. It's called No Harm, No Foul.

I think we've been hearing how the Clinton supporters haven't needed us. So which is it? You want us or you don't? Most posters here seem fine with us being purged. So that tells me no one gives a crap for either Bernie or those who supported him.

[Silver_Witch]

5. And this!

[metroins]

6. I'm thinking

From Bernie Sanders standpoint.

If he got on board, backed Hillary, his voice and the party would be amplified. If he compromised and supported Clinton, GOTV, he could get a cabinet position and effect change.

If he continues his current path, he'll get a convention speech, a rally and go back to Congress with a bunch of Democrats not happy. Essentially get nothing done.

I don't care what Sanders supporters do. I'm just thinking the logical path to actually doing something.

[floriduck]

12. Bernie didn't even want to run. He did so because no other true progressive would.

He's not interested in a speech at a convention. He wants to demonstrate to those who support his agenda that he's a fighter and now is not the time to roll over. It's time to stand up and face the party establishment that have been bought and paid for by corporate power brokers.

That's always been his mission. In fact, if the party turned into what he envisioned, he couldn't have cared less about being President. That's never been his mission. His goal was to change how things get done and eliminate money from elections. But most Clinton supporters could never imagine someone wanting change and not necessarily the title of President.

[Silver_Witch]

4. What in heavens name are you talking about?

Read the papers he is joining her and their goal is to be trump. Google is you friend. Or go to Raw Story they have a good article

Incessant shunning by winners is unattractive and wily!

[metroins]

7. Read my post

I'm talking about actually accomplishing something.

Not a speech or 2, but the continuation of his merits.

[geek tragedy]

8. there's a non-aggression pact, not an alliance, at this stage.

he hasn't conceded that she won, and has said there will be no endorsement before the convention.

that doesn't count as working together.

[floriduck]

13. Where did you read he supports Hillary? You won't find it today. He just doesn't want Donnie in.

[Orsino]

10. Which of Sanders' goals do you not want accomplished?

How long would you expect any one of them to take?

[metroins]

15. I'm saying he should be trying to accomplish them

I'm saying that if he really wants his platform and movement to take off, at some point he'll actually have to do something and not just talk about it.

Going to the convention will not succeed in anything other than another speech.

Jumping on the Democratic boat, he could do something.

At some point, results matter and talk is worth nothing.

[Orsino]

21. If to talk is worth nothing...

...being silenced is worth less than nothing.

[BobbyDrake]

14. You forget that participating in the system would preclude them from whining about how biased

it is against them. These are people who want to complain, not to build anything. Complaining makes them feel good and is exciting, while building is hard work and boring.

[Avalux]

16. Did it ever occur to you that there's a bigger picture than winning?

Bernie has not made a career out of running for president. What he HAS made a career of is fighting for the people and economic equality, for decades. He's been doing a lot of things for a very long time.

So - not winning the nomination isn't going to make him stop fighting for us. Why is conformity seen as the best choice here? Bernie has never been that person and he's not going to change now. That's why I deeply admire and respect him.

[Fumesucker]

17. For authoritarians conformity isn't the best choice, it's the only choice

[Avalux]

19. Bingo!

You got that right.

[eastwestdem]

20. And if he continues as a candidate, he may not even get a speech at the convention.

If there are multiple candidates going into the convention, the chair can decide to let both speak before the vote...or just wait until the nominee makes an acceptance speech. (According to the DNC site) My guess is that if Sanders drags this out, the DNC is not going to do him any favors. Particularly if Hillary continues to do well in the polls.

[azurnoir]

22. so essentially what you're us is that the DNC will put

some sort of political revenge ahead of the good of their constituents?

[tabasco]

24. Why don't you tell us more about H. Clinton's accomplishments?

I'm all ears.

[cherokeeprogressive]

25. He IS accomplishing something.

He's tying some DU colons in knots and I for one am enjoying the show.

Some of the best fun a person can have with their clothes on I tell ya.

[Tal Vez]

26. Sanders and Clinton will work out a solution that benefits both of them.

They are both professional politicians with much experience.

[pat_k]

27. Gee Wiz. Wait to see what the man says tonight.

He committed to campaign in every state until the last vote was cast. He kept that commitment.

Just hours after the last vote was cast he announced that he's doing a live address Thu (tonight). Why complaining about what he's doing/saying when he hasn't said it yet?

Wait 'til he's actually spoken before you pass judgment or start tossing tomatoes.

Gee Wiz.

Seriously.

Chill.