The Democratic party not experiencing a rift but a shift.

[midnight]

"It’s not just that Sanders has won 20-plus contests, all while never disavowing his democratic socialism. It’s also that, to keep Sanders from hijacking the nomination, Clinton has been forced to pivot sharply to the left and disavow her own history as a market-friendly centrist. Even Donald Trump threw out the economic playbook entrenched since Reagan—coming out against corporate-friendly trade deals, vowing to protect what’s left of the social safety net, and railing against the influence of money in politics.

Taken together, the evidence is clear: The left just won. Forget the nomination—I mean the argument. Clinton, and the 40-year ideological campaign she represents, has lost the battle of ideas. The spell of neoliberalism has been broken, crushed under the weight of lived experience and a mountain of data.

What for decades was unsayable is now being said out loud—free college tuition, double the minimum wage, 100 percent renewable energy. And the crowds are cheering. With so much encouragement, who knows what’s next? Reparations for slavery and colonialism? A guaranteed annual income? Democratic worker co-ops as the centerpiece of a green jobs program? Why not? The intellectual fencing that has constrained the left’s imagination for so long is lying twisted on the ground.

This broad appetite for systemic change did not begin with Sanders. During the Obama years, a wave of radical new social movements emerged, from Occupy Wall Street and the Fight for $15 to #NoKXL and Black Lives Matter. Sanders harnessed much of this energy—but by no means all of it. His weaknesses reaching certain segments of black and Latino voters in the Democratic base are well known. And for some activists, Sanders has always felt too much like the past to get overly excited about."

http://commondreams.org/views/2016/06/14/best-has-yet-come

[Demsrule86]

1. The bottom line is he lost so I am sick of hearing about his stolen

ideas....we will move on ...Bernie won't.

[midnight]

2. What ideas do you think are stolen?

[Demsrule86]

4. All of them

People have been protesting for a $15.00 minimum for a couple of years now. bank regulation has been a hot topic as well, income inequality has been discussed for literally years...what new ideas did Bernie come up with...he has a set of talking points...shallow with no real solutions...and we are supposed to fall down and worship him? No. sorry...we chose Hillary who has solutions not just talking points.

[midnight]

10. Ok, I understand. For years people have asked for a base of 15.00 dollars… Lizzy Warren says it

should be closer to 22.00 dollars. And Bernie Sanders makes this cause part of his platform- the working people need representation, and this is what they are asking for… So Bernie says time to get these people action… I would not call this stealing. I would call this shifting towards a solution for the working people…

Hillary's solution to put Bill in charge of the ecomomy is a solution being question by those who saw the impact of the repealing of glass stegal, and we are not sure that his the solution of deregulating the banks was/is in our best interest...

[Demsrule86]

15. People wanted a $15.00 minimum for years

There was a great deal of picketing by fast food workers and some other places as well... McDonalds workers demanded a $15.00 minimum wage before Bernie ran. Bernie acts like he invented liberalism...many of us have been fighting the good fight for years...and his condescending attitude towards Democrats and attacks on the party as well as Hillary...anger many Democrats. Personally, I believe in everything that Bernie wants except I think the college thing has to be looked at ...won't work...I would join any such movement but not one lead by Bernie. I just wouldn't feel pure enough or even welcome.


"On May 15, 2014, fast food workers in countries around the world, including Brazil, the United Kingdom, Japan and the U.S., went on strike to protest low wages in fast food restaurants. The strikes took place in 230 cities as workers demanded a $15 minimum wage and the right to unionize without fear of retaliation."

Bill had a great economy. Bush destroyed it...try putting some of the blame on the GOP who earned it instead of fellow Democrats.

[Armstead]

30. You are not as progressive as you claim if you say the 90's were great economically

The same pressures that exist now existed them -- except there was a glossy layer of a cocaine-style bubble that people saw even then. But anyone who dared address it -- including Bernie -- were cast into the outer darkness and ignored or insulted by the Clintons and their Centrist Corporate buddies, while they further rigged the game in favor of the Rich and Powerful.

Bernie has been fighting that bullshit for decades, and your claim that he stole movements is just bullshit.

[skylucy]

31. Thank you! The fact that Sanders acts like he invented all these liberal ideals makes me

angry too. Anyone who has kept up with politics for longer than a few months KNOWS that almost his entire agenda (I'm not talking about his whining about not winning and going after DWS...I'm talking about things like raising the minimum wage, overturning Citizens United, improving access to health care, reigning in Wall Street, ) have been goals of many Democratic Senators, Representatives, as well as President Obama and yes, Hillary too... before Bernie ever made his run for President. Dems not coming out to vote in midterm elections, Republican obstruction and gerrymandering thwarted their efforts. BS and his supporters whine about imaginary "voter suppression" by the DNC. Yet when the Supreme Court gutted the Voters Right Act, I don't remember them calling for a "revolution" Where was the outrage when the GOP threw up every roadblock and used every dirty trick to keep poor people and people of color from voting? That was REAL voter suppression and it was ugly. Thank god those people whom the GOP tried to disinfranchise were willing to stand in line for hours to cast their votes. Anyway, that's my rant...You struck a nerve and I absolutely agree with you! HILLARY 2016

[midnight]

3. I hope the next president steals these ideas...

"In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all regardless of station, race, or creed.
Among these are:
The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the Nation;
The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;
The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;
The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;
The right of every family to a decent home;
The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;
The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;
The right to a good education.
All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being."

http://flaglerlive.com/2297/franklin-roosevelt-second-bill-of-rights/

[eastwestdem]

5. It won't end up being much of a shift. We are all idealistic as youth, but as we experience more,

our expectations become more realistic. After all, we live in a democracy. It is a form of government designed to allow people with differing opinions to find some common ground. It requires compromise. Sure, most people would want to be a dictator for a day, and enact laws with no opposition, but we live in a society where we have to cooperate with others. It's what adults do.

[Arugula Latte]

11. translation: corporate subsidies: yes

People subsidies: fuck off

[midnight]

21. Precisely… Thanks for your translation...

[pat_k]

6. "What for decades was unsayable is now being said out loud"

That's a victory.

[MaeScott]

12. Yes, gave those ideas a voice.

[Lord Magus]

23. But none of that was "unsayable" at all. It was all being said.

Bernie didn't invent doubling the minimum wage any more than tRump invented the idea of deporting all Mexicans. (Donald of Orange really did make the whopper of a claim that no Republicans were talking about illegal immigration until he entered the race.)

[pat_k]

25. The Dem establishment believes advocating..

... such "socialist" notions is political suicide.

The successes of the Sanders campaign calls that irrational notion into question.

[Doctor_J]

7. The dinos hate him, and don't want anything to do with his millions of supporters

All because he disrupted Her Majesty's coronation by pointing out that she is conservative and corrupt.

[CobaltBlue]

9. Doctor J—The DINOS upset with Bernie are uncomfortable. (And out of touch.) Which is actually good.

[midnight]

20. Yes...

[Lord Magus]

24. This "coronation" bullshit is deeply offensive.

The nomination going to the candidate who got millions more votes is not a coronation, it's an election.

[Ned_Devine]

27. No. It's been a coronation since before she even started running

To pretend it hasn't is disingenuous.

[B Calm]

8. I'll wait to see how the new president governs. .

[Orsino]

13. Definitely a rift. Potentially a shift.

I suspect that money makes the party too inflexible to change right away, and Establishment figures will resist fundamental change for as long as they think they can get away with it.

[vintx]

14. Agreed. There's no way there's not a rift.

There's been a rift for decades.

This primary just made it intractable, and impossible to ignore.

[midnight]

18. Bernie has been crystal clear that the countries resources do not belong to 1%-they have to share.

So I bet the inflexibiltiy will be over those resources….

[rhett o rick]

16. There is a huge rift as evidenced by the vitriol from both sides.

The two sides of our party are miles apart on most non-social justice issues and even some social justice issues like medical marijuana and a living wage.

People that pretend there isn't a rift live in a denial bubble. As does anyone that thinks that tough, tough Hillary would ever "shift" left. Her rhetoric might have shifted but wait 'til she tries to woe Republicon votes.

[bunnies]

17. ^^^ this ^^^ nt

[midnight]

19. Nafta was the first crack in the bubble for me...

[rhett o rick]

22. It's just like Lucy and Charlie Brown with the football. How many times do you let Lucy (the

corporate state) pull the ball out, before you figure it out. NAFTA was a great example. The Clintons said that it would help both American workers and Mexican workers. That was a lie. NAFTA helped those corporations that wrote it but the American workers and the Mexican workers were worse off. But the Clintons have done very well. $150,000,000 fortune from appreciative corporations.

[Jackilope]

29. +1000 How long before TPP is "gold standard" again?

[Trust Buster]

26. Most of Sanders wins were in small caucuses that he flooded with college students full of

unrealistic expectations. Not so much a shift as a nervous hiccup IMO.

[djean111]

28. For me, it is an unbridgeable rift.

And everybody knows that if Hillary sounds a bit to the left, she is merely pandering for votes. It was explained to me very clearly that a candidate of course panders. And then when an elected official pretty much does not do what was pandered, I am smugly told, well, you voted for that.

No more.

The answer is not for me to capitulate. The answer is for me to find a party where a Third Way Centrist neoliberal neocon New democrat does not represent that party's values. No, not looking for purity. But there is no way for me to be complicit with war and fracking and the TPP and many other things I find abhorrent.