Does Hillary Clinton need Sanders voters?

[ThinkCritically]

Or will she be able to beat Trump with 75% of the democratic party?

Edit: This is an honest question, not "flame bait". Can she pull off a win without independents against Trump? Is he in that much trouble here? I would like nothing more than to see Trump fall flat and go limping home in November.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

1. Are you a Hillary supporter? nt

[ThinkCritically]

2. I am a Bernie supporter, but I will be voting for her in November.

So yes, I am a democrat.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

3. I'll be voting for her too, though I had hoped for and supported Bernie. nt

[ThinkCritically]

5. I'm worried about the BoBs.

I don't blame them for feeling that way but I can't let Trump get anywhere close to the white house. That's why I'm wondering if she can pull it off without support from independents and BoBs, it may end up that way.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

6. Genuine BoBs are going to vote for the non-establishment candidate no matter who it is. Most...

...will chicken out at the last minute, their fear of tRump outweighing their need for revenge against the nasty Hillary supporters.

[Cobalt Violet]

38. and some don't live in swing states.

I'm still not decided. A lot will depend on Hillary's VP pick.


I hear she gave Bill a blackeye so clearly she is capable of doing some good. I know it's just a right wing smear book but I hope if anything in it is true at all it's the blackeye story.

[Pastiche423]

98. And some have voted 3rd party before

So it's not a big deal to not vote for the establishment candidates

[swhisper1]

102. they will go Johnson most likely

[Ned_Devine]

126. Doubtful. If they vote third party it will be green

[Live and Learn]

167. +10,000 nt

[Ned_Devine]

169. We're liberal, not libertarian. Do you even know the difference?

[kerry-is-my-prez]

53. The way Trump is going, he's going to scare so many Republicans that it could be possible. I think

that he is going to just deconstruct or do something so crazy that only the very solid Trump fans will stay with him.

[brush]

62. I don't think you can categorize all independents with the BoBs

Indies come in all political stripes — some right-leaning, some moderates and some left-leaning.

I suspect most of the right-leaning ones will go with Trump, although some may come to their senses.

I think most moderate and left-leaning independents are sensible folks and will vote blue to keep Trump out of the White House.

[tblue37]

173. And Republicans with even a smidgen of sense and sanity will vote against Trump. nt

[MaeScott]

69. Dem Party is shrinking fast. Depends. 75% of what?

[swhisper1]

105. true, I am leaving this party in July

and most of the dems in meetup groups I belong to are adamant about leaving. I am not adamant, I'm just disappointed they bushwacked to election process

[Live and Learn]

168. Don't be so disappointed a movement is building. It would have been nice if the Democratic Party

had returned to its roots and been the place for the movement but it didn't and won't be. There is a nice home waiting to welcome progressives out there.

[Go Vols]

170. I believe Bernie is the roots

Hillary equals same ol,same ol.I think Trump would burn the whole thing to the ground and rattle some to get out and fucking vote next go round.

There are no true D's here,just third way, which is '80s R.

[Live and Learn]

171. It wasn't always this way and this place was a great respite during the Bush era.

Sadly third way seems to have taken the place and the party in a coup and we will just have to take the movement somewhere else.

[Vattel]

4. plenty of sanders supporters will vote for her. she will beat trump.

[oasis]

7. She can do without the malcontents who have laundry lists of demands.

[2banon]

11. you just couldn't help yourself, could you?

wagging fingers should be aimed yourself for that comment.

[840high]

118. feel better?

[oasis]

119. Monday will be my "feel better" day, but thanks for asking.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

133. So unnecessary.

[oasis]

141. What's "unnecessary" is for the winner, Hillary, to think she has

to be saddled with pushing the agenda of the losers. Bernie is the one who needs to prove what kind of partner he can be before Hillary gives in to any demands.

The under 40 crowd had better contemplate living under 3 or more decades of ultra right Supreme Court rulings if the GOP should prevail in the GE.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

144. Then Hillary will continue to divide the Democratic Party at her own peril.

[oasis]

145. Real Democrats will support Hillary. She'll get Independents and

some GOP votes. Malcontents can sit it out.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

146. Obviously, malcontents can sit out - won't be me - but, why not minimize the risk of unnecessary malcontentism?! Surely, that makes the most sense.

[oasis]

147. Bernie needs to start playing ball now. We won. He's the one

more likely to do damage to his movement.

[NanceGreggs]

8. The primary is over.

We have a nominee.

What Hillary Clinton needs now is Democratic voters - and most previous Bernie supporters are Democrats.

Those who choose to remain "Bernie supporters" as opposed to being "Democratic candidate supporters" are mainly those who never intended to vote for the (D) no matter who it was, or never intended to vote at all because they're too busy being perpetually pissed-off.

If you're a Democrat, you'll vote accordingly.

[ThinkCritically]

15. That's not true.

But I don't feel like arguing. A simple answer without snark or judgement would be nice.

[NanceGreggs]

17. There was no snark ...

... and no judgment. Just a recitation of the facts.

[NurseJackie]

44. I'm noticing that phrases like "this is an honest question" or "I'm just curious" are used ...

... more and more often when someone posts a flame-y or "stir-the-pot" type of question.

Whenever I see a preemptive "disclaimer" like that, what I understand it to mean is "here's my flame-bait question, but I'm going to pretend that it's not in the hopes that a jury won't hide it, and it won't be locked for an SOP violation".

there, Nance!

[PJMcK]

52. Well said

Thankfully, this kind of stuff is diminishing as the rest of the world moves forward.

[GeorgeGist]

75. So your answer is ...

you don't know.

[Evergreen Emerald]

82. This ^^^^

My thoughts exactly--she needs Democratic voters.

[Agnosticsherbet]

9. I don't think she will lose 25% if Sanders chooses

to allow Trump to be elected.

Trump is doing this damnedest to alienate everyone but white supremacists. Even the Republican Party is running from him as fast as they can.

Does she need Sander's Voters> She can probably win without them. I just don't see how anyone would feel that helping Trump in any way, even by staying home, is in their interest.

[peace13]

37. The interesting thing is that we really don't know how many votes Clinton received in the primary.

Most people agree that through no fault of Clinton or Sanders there was some election fraud that kept some Dems from being able to vote. Also there is some question as to if all votes were tallied. An example is the huge numbers of discarded provisional ballots. The bottom line is that we don't know how many would have voted for Sander's if they had been able to. Your 25% guess is 25% of what number. We don't know.

Right now we have a plethora of polls judging how Hill will do against Trump and polls measuring how Sanders would do against Trump. The question is, will it be trump?

My point is that there are a lot of unknowns and if the Clinton camp wants to make certain she can pull this off then she needs every Dem to look positively toward her. It's time that her supporters understand that. We don't control the process so we need big to win. Whoever that is.

[brush]

63. You should add also that we don't know how many votes Sanders received . . .

since many of his wins were in caucus states, and we've all seem how caucuses suppress voter turnout.

And while we're at it, you might consider how many more votes Clinton would have recieved if not for caucuses. Wasn't there one state in the northwest that had a caucus, which Sanders won, then later had a non-binding primary that Clinton won easily?

[Agnosticsherbet]

106. LOL

You guys.


Just LOL.

[brush]

114. What's with the LOL? Re-read my post. I'm with the nominee.

[Agnosticsherbet]

117. Sorry, I jumped to conclusions.

I have seen people use that argument to say he was cheated out of it.

[strategery blunder]

120. The state you're thinking of is Washington

When voters passed an initiative some years ago to require presidential primaries, the state Democratic Party sued for the right to keep its caucuses and won.

The state Republicans just use the results of the primary to apportion delegates. We had the caucuses foisted upon us by the state Democratic organization, when they sued to overturn the expressed will of the voters.

I'm hoping that since the caucuses didn't go the way they wanted this year, the state party will be more receptive to using the primary results to allocate delegates in the future (as the state's voters intended).

[DLCWIdem]

124. 2states where Sanders won the caucaus and she won the primaries

In both Nebraska and Washington there was a bigger turnout in the primary and she won.

[brush]

136. Thank you. I completely forgot about Nebraska.

[Agnosticsherbet]

87. She received over 15 million votes. We know that.

Even if Republicans decide to change all their rules and appoint someone to take Trumps place, it is not going to change things much. Trump won their election, and appointing some stuffed shirt will rip the party in half, and likely lead to massive riots.

Sanders lost. And it is quite acceptable for him to have some say in platform. Tradition, you know. But he is not going to be treated as if he won the whole thing.

Sadly, the longer he remains out of the fray, the less influence he will have on the outcome.

[glowing]

159. Guess what, the ideas are out there now!!!

People will know that it is ridiculous in the MOST wealthy nation, that we can't do things the rest of the world can. That my child have to compete on a global market with another peer in another country where they have "free" education, acces to healthcare, better worker protections, a sense of a happier existence in life... So, if I lived in Germany, my kid is staring on maybe 1st or 2nd base, but in America, the kid hasn't even gotten out of the dugout, and will have a hard time getting out onto that field as long as they have massive amounts of student loan debts or medical debts.

Don't tell us we have money for war, but can't fix a pot hole. Don't tell us we need more fracking when solar is cheaper than that dirty process! Don't say, we can't, when this country literally went to the damned moon. Fuck the wealthy and multinational corporations trying to enslave everyone else in misery WITH their paid for politicians.

[Agnosticsherbet]

161. Clinton won the votes of poor and middle class Democrats

Because she will make things better for everyone.

She needs a Congress to help because they set the legislative ed agenda.

Let's work together to elect one for her and us.

[glowing]

163. Did I say "Clinton", no, I said politicians... Who is in charge of Congress right now?

They haven't done a damned thing to make America better for nearly 6yrs now. That party is more bought than our own, but ours seems to be pandering like a bunch of lemmings. Get with the program, not everything is about HRC.. Guess what, these multi-national companies also buy or bribe politicians all around the world to let them get away with murder, all for profit? Money or the concept of money is but a theory placed into practice that people have been taught to value as a means to allow one's self to live "above the fray", and we are all dumb enough to allow these people to perpetuate "value" in money over actual lives. Absolutely disgusting!!!!

[Agnosticsherbet]

164. Congress controls Legislation.

All the good things about Ely require legislation.

Any program that requires funding must start in the House of Representatives.

Once Republicans took the House in 2010, nothing good was going to happen. They opposed doing mist things on ideological grounds. Their refusal to give Obama a win kept even the most minimal achievement impossible.

We need to work together to elect a better Congress.

[LLStarks]

104. Only the ones that are going to vote for her anyway, which is the bulk of them.

If every Sanders supporter walked out, maybe there'd be a problem.

[swhisper1]

107. Rabies

[msongs]

10. she's already got most of them except hardcore and thos pesky millennials & Indies

who don't turn out to vote

[DonCoquixote]

154. pesky milennials

way to ensure that the next generation shows up. Then again, the tone of that statement seems to say you hope they never do, as that would oppose your hopes. Well, all I have to say to that is this: The GOP is cranking out Xers and working on the Millennials. Yes, Marco Rubio was a joke this time, but he HAS time, as do the Nikki Haleys. If all we have is a bench made up of the Clinton Era, then the GOP knows that they can ride out the last of the Clinton era. This is NOT to support the GOP. I certainly do not look forward to an old age that sees this young crop of GOP mature to vintage. THAT is to say that if you want the democratic party to be something more than the "Clinton Legacy" tour, you will need to find a way to get those Millennials to actually vote for you, much like they did for Obama, whose kindness to hire her is the only reason she did not become the Democratic equivalent to Jeb "It was MY turn" Bush.

[YOHABLO]

12. I honestly think that moderate Republicans will be voting for her as well .. she'll get my vote yes.

Bernie supporter here and voting for Hillary.

[Else You Are Mad]

57. Let's just hope..

She doesn't make a turn to the right just to win a little more of the moderate Republicans in the GE.

[Pastiche423]

99. Keep on dreaming.

[LuvLoogie]

13. She already got about 60% of them just by winning the primary. So if you're waiting for someone to

send flowers, we'll meet you in the garden. There's cold beer in the cooler and hotdogs on the grill.

[2banon]

14. TPTB will NEVER allow Trump to get near the Situation Room.

I think if even 0% of the Democrats failed to show, Hillary will get the keys back to the WH, Trump would not be allowed near it. Period.

Anyone paying the slightest attention to what's going on with to Iran, the M.E., Europe, Russia, The world financial systems, etc etc etc, no one will allow it.

White Supremacists fortunately are no where near that kind of power.

Hillary's recent remarks on Iran has TPTB on the front lines making sure the levers switch to her. No worries, Hillary supporters, she's got it in the bag. Fortunately Donald Trump is her opponent. It just doesn't get any better in this kind of high stakes "contest".

[lancer78]

149. Why do you think

Bill encouraged him to run? Everyone knows how bad of a candidate she is, that is why Bill got Trump to run, so she would have someone easy to beat.

And before anyone says I am full of it, just look at his campaign. No money, no staff, no nothing.

[2banon]

160. He doesn't have any staff? wow!

Really? The Faux Opponent doesn't even have staff. Interesting.

[lancer78]

162. Mrs. Tur

Reported on it and so have a bunch of other reporters. He is micro-managing and has a skeleton crew.

[eastwestdem]

16. She needs a majority, which I believe she already has.

Those last few die-hards are likely not needed, and it is unsure how reliable the Sanders supporters are anyway (even in turning out to vote for Sanders).

[pat_k]

18. Only 6 states have more than 50% registered Dems

So even the strongest of the strongest Democratic states, 75% of 50% is 40%.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/27/state-party-registration_n_5399977.html

[pnwmom]

21. Bernie doesn't have special appeal to independents except for those who usually

vote Democratic anyway.

Hillary might have better luck aiming at the Independents who are centrists, and moderate Republican women who like politicians like Susan Collins and Christine Whitman.

[pat_k]

23. "with 75% of the democratic party"

The question was about Hillary winning if all she had was 75% of the Democratic Party.

That's the question I answered.

If unaffiliated people who tend to vote Democratic count at "Democrats," then all primaries should be open so those "Democrats" can vote.

[pnwmom]

24. I disagree with the idea that Bernie or Bust people are 25% of the party. n/t

[pat_k]

28. The OP asks "without Sanders supporters" -- that means all of them.

I'm just addressing the parameters set out by OP.

Only about 30% of Sanders supporters say won't vote for Clinton. About 20% of Hillary supporters said they wouldn't vote for Obama at this point in 2008. Not really that big a difference.

As far as I can tell, the OP is asking if Hillary could still win if ehe did something that was effectively a big "Fuck You" to all Sanders supporters, and lost them in droves.

[pnwmom]

29. What might she do that would be a big f-u to all Sanders supporters?

[pat_k]

30. Say what so many people seem to want her to say.

"I don't care about Sanders and his supporters. I won. Get over it."

[pnwmom]

32. She has been saying the opposite. She says she will work hard for them

even if they don't support her.

[pat_k]

34. So? I didn't say she would.

I just pointed out what the OP implies. Effectively, ThinkCritically is asking "would she win if she lost all the Sanders people?" And how could she lose them? By doing what so many people say they think she should do: Say f-u to them.

The OP poses a hypothetical. I provided numbers addressing that hypothetical. You asked a hypothetical about what she could say that could say that would lose Sanders supporters. I speculated about what could do the trick. It wasn't an accusation.

[pnwmom]

35. self-delete

[creeksneakers2]

125. 22% of Sanders supporters are planning to vote for Trump

Another 11% are planning to vote for Johnson.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/14/a-new-poll-shows-clinton-up-12-on-trump-because-it-comes-at-a-great-time-for-clinton/

[pat_k]

131. And back in '08

I misspoke. Actually, in June '08 it was only 60% of Clinton supporters who said they'd vote for Obama, in July that number dropped to 54%.

In June 22% said they wouldn't vote at all if Obama was the nominee. And 17% said they'd vote for McCain.

In July, even more -- 30% -- said they'd say home.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/04/clinton.poll/

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/09/clinton.supporters/index.html?iref=topnews

This rosey vision people seem to have about Clinton supporters flocking to Obama in a show unity has no basis in reality.

[Hekate]

174. And yet Obama won handily. Actual Democrats end up voting for the nominee, strange as it seems.

That's how the game is played. We all have our preferences in the primaries, but in the end we vote for the nominee -- because, oddly enough, the nominee got the most votes and most delegates in the primary elections.

I've been a registered Democrat since I was 21 and never had to "hold my nose" to vote the way so many here claim to have done. I like Democrats and I like the principles and the platform. Republicans not at all.

There is a core of folks supporting Bernie who were never Dems in the first place, or never voted at all, or for whom this is their first campaign at the age of 18. They are up in the air -- I have no idea what they'll decide to do in November.

But the rest of Bernie's supporters, quite likely the majority, are Democrats and have always been Dems. They will reliably vote for the nominee, who in this instance is Hillary Clinton. I have no worries about that.

Hillary has a very liberal record. She won't "turn right" -- for gods' sake she gave a major address at Planned Parenthood immediately after she got the votes in Calif and NJ. The people she will be courting are the moderates, the persuadable middle. They are neither terrible conservative nor are they terribly liberal, and they are necessary to win the TE.

[DLCWIdem]

140. last poll said 20% wouldn't vote for her

[pat_k]

143. That's less than '08 numbers for Hillary supporters.

A lot less than the numbers of Hillary supporters who said they wouldn't vote for Obama in June/July of 2008.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512196589

[swhisper1]

109. no, the 25% arent Busters, they just are anti Hillary, cant swallow that pill

[Pastiche423]

100. And that will change after the convention

It will go down.

[robbedvoter]

19. By November she'll get enough of them to win.

Only the Libertarians, anarchists and the 🌰 will not join. Electorally insignificant

[pnwmom]

20. Are Sanders voters okay with a President Trump?

If they are, they're only play-acting at being progressives.

[swhisper1]

112. why would you think that?

[pnwmom]

121. Because if enough of them withhold their votes from Trump's

only viable opposition, then Trump could win.

Some Bernie people like to threaten to withhold their votes, but if they do that they will suffer as much as anyone under Trump . . . except for the privileged among them, who will do well no matter who is President.

[swhisper1]

122. oh, I see

[azurnoir]

22. Don't know but it doesn't appear like it

[Buzz cook]

25. Possibly

The question is whether it'll be close enough to steal without Bernie supporters.

Remember in 2000 Al Gore won, just not by a wide enough margin not to have the election stolen from him.

Unfortunately the party learned the wrong lesson from 2000, that they could win without a sizable portion of the left. I think that's the error many on the left took home to.

[One Black Sheep]

26. Seems as Hillary and her campaign don't think so, they haven't shown much interest in Bernie voters

and supporters so far...I think Hillary's campaign seems like they are working to attract disgruntled republicans who hate Trump at this point, and have given up on the Bernie wing. I actually expect Hillary to go center right pretty soon in pursuit of this strategy.

[Maru Kitteh]

27. The Democratic party and the HRC campaign seem to need him less each day

His influence potential has been shrinking at an astonishingly rapid pace.

[B Calm]

45. Is it just a coincidence that 50% of registered voters feel their party no longer represents

them anymore?

[DLCWIdem]

128. He didn't even get 50% of the voters. only part were dems and only 44 of the whole

[MaeScott]

137. It's no coincidence, because it's headed by blue dogs now

[MFM008]

31. we should work together

to destroy the Rump obscenity.

[Kentonio]

33. She'll win in a landslide.

What worries me is that she might then assume that landslide was a mandate of her policies rather than a landslide against Trump, which could put us in deep risk come 2020.

[Else You Are Mad]

56. A good portion of her platform is...

"But I am not Trump" so, in that case, it would be a mandate for her to keep on not being Trump.

[pnwmom]

36. They need her. The whole country does.

Will Trump be trying to raise the minimum wage?

Will he propose changing financial aid packages so that tuition will be covered in grants instead of loans? And that would prevent the govt. from making a profit on loans for educational living costs?

Will he be trying to expand Medicaid to all the states and reduce the age for entering Medicare?

Will he be working to fight climate change?

No.

He'll be trying to build a wall between here and Mexico, and trying to ban all Muslims from entering the country.

Why would anyone smart enough to vote for Bernie not be smart enough to vote for the only candidate remaining who can beat Trump?

[Silver_Witch]

84. Are any of these things on Hillary's platform?

I will ha ve to look to see if she has actually said she will do any one of them, especially the medicare and college ideas!

[swhisper1]

116. well, she did lip service but she also said in 7 yrs, or we "cant". I never heard policy tho

it was mostly mimicing bernie's words but not his intent, and then just trying to minimize Bernie when he started winning states

[lunamagica]

153. Yes, they are, and have been from the start. Plus immigration reform within 100 hunder days

Add her Autism initiative and views on gun control, all of these -among others- are reasons why I support her.

She has mentioned these things in her speeches,, and explained them in her website

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/112-reasons-and-counting-hillary-clinton-should-be-our-next-president/?utm_medium=om2016&utm_source=gs&utm_campaign=lb-reasons&utm_content=105584127731&utm_term=c

Do you see trump enacting any of these?

[swhisper1]

176. no, we will see if she enacts these things, meanwhile, the real needs are not being spoken about

infrastructure brings jobs. Hillary talks about issues that hinge on a healthy economy. She has not proposed how she would solidify growth. Wall street does not reflect main street, corporations do not give back, tax evaders are supplemented. Oil is subsidized. Pharma is subsidized for their R&D yet charge horrific prices. These thing are not addressed by either GE candidate. All are more important than gun control, autism. Single issues can be addressed once the bleeding stops.

Until she starts talking about basic needs, she will have a hard time winning voters. The last thing we need is Trump, the last thing we need as well is wars, nation building of other nations, leaving ours to decay

[swhisper1]

113. congress isnt going to do anything he wants, it would threaten their donors

greed can be a wonderful thing

[TheCowsCameHome]

39. No, she doesn't.

It's in the bag.

Sanders supporters are irrelevant and not needed for her to win the GE.

[Vinca]

40. Does Trump pay well?

[TheCowsCameHome]

41. It's what has been repeated here all to often.

Certain members of the HCG seem to think Sanders supporters don't matter.

Good luck to them if they think she's a shoo-in come November.

[B Calm]

42. Hillary no, Democratic Party yes.

[hobbit709]

43. A lot of her supporters seem to think so.

They keep posting that we are not real Democrats and are not wanted or needed by the Party.

[SFnomad]

48. If you don't see a problem with a President tRump or don't feel you need to stop it ... then yeah,

you're not a real Democrat.

[hobbit709]

60. I see a problem with Trump. That's not the point.

When you do everything to tell someone they're not needed or wanted, you know exactly what some of those people will do. They will say "Fuck it" and telling them they're the redheaded stepchild is not going to encourage them to support you.


THAT IS THE POINT.

[SFnomad]

64. FFS, the BS cheerleaders have been acting like spoiled children around here ...

Sanders supporters, people who are real Democrats and/or Progressives, realize what's at stake and will help. Yeah, they might not be the most enthusiastic, but they understand what life would be like under a President tRump and what it could mean for the Supreme Court. And in the end, they will be there.

Those of you that feel you're not being treated nice enough ... well, get over it. Secretary Clinton isn't a "conservative" and if you don't think you can "trust" her, you've been drinking the right wingnut Kool-Aid they've been serving for over 20+ years. Congrats, how do you like being a tool for them?

[hobbit709]

65. And Hillary supporters have been acting more like poor winners than even the Dallas Cowboys.

The only tool here is the one for the Corporate wing of the Democratic Party.

"Before you accuse me, take a good look at yourself" as the song goes.

[SFnomad]

67. You know, you're going to find out you're just as immaterial as the PUMAs were in 2008

so go ahead and enjoy your little pity party ... you sound just like a variation of those PUMAs. And in the end, they didn't matter.

The rest of us will do what's necessary to stop a President tRump.

[hobbit709]

68. I've voted Democrat since I was first able to in 1972, no matter how hopeless the chances

So take your opinion, fold it until it is all sharp corners, and you know where to put it.

[SFnomad]

73. I'll just consider the source for that n/t

[hobbit709]

74. I'm not giving you any singing lessons.

[SFnomad]

76. Being that you're a One Note Charlie, I wouldn't expect you to n/t

[hobbit709]

78. Unlike the continuous drone you put out.

[SFnomad]

79. I'm sorry that you find hearing the truth "continuous droning" n/t

[hobbit709]

80. Truth? From you?

[SFnomad]

90. Yeah, that's what the truth looks like, sounds like you haven't heard the truth in a long while n/t

[hobbit709]

91. Q.E.D.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=222029

[SFnomad]

92. And you have a hidden post too ... do you have a point?

The majority of mine have come from alert stalking and a stacked jury of BS cheerleaders. That will change after the 20th ... and I expect to have few, if any hidden posts. I actually earned I believe two of them and I shouldn't have allowed myself to have been goaded into the response I gave ... but then again, that's been their MO.

[hobbit709]

93. 8 is a bit more than 1.

[SFnomad]

94. And I explained why ... but whatever, you've revealed enough of yourself ... buh bye n/t

[DLCWIdem]

130. it goes both ways

You guys tell Hill supporter they aren' t real democrats, they're dinos or that they are really repugs.

[Silver_Witch]

86. This is about Hillary NOT Trump ...

And more about Hillary's supporters!!!

November is far away we need to see if Trump will be the republican candidate...I suspect if he makes it then Hillary will win. If the sub him out all bets are off!

[SFnomad]

89. Basing your vote for Hillary on the actions of her supporters is the most stupid thing I've ever

heard. Just like Secretary Clinton is the Presumptive Democratic Nominee ... tRump is the Presumptive Republican Nominee ... that's what we're going with until further notice. Most of us won't waste our time on "what ifs" that probably will never occur.

[Demsrule86]

46. I hope not because I doubt she will get the hard core

and Bernie has done nothing to help the process

[sufrommich]

47. She's 12 points ahead of Trump. I'd say she already

has them.

[geek tragedy]

49. She needs the sane, rational ones.

The ones claiming she committed election fraud and who voted for Jill Stein in 2012? Don't need them, any of them.

[MadBadger]

50. Not to win, no. I do think she needs more of them to earn a mandate.

Otherwise I could see her winning like 49-43-8, and not get a majority

[SFnomad]

54. Oh FFS, now winning isn't enough, we have to have some "mandate"

hell, Failure-in-Chief Bush claimed a mandate and he didn't even win the popular vote!!!!

[MadBadger]

55. You don't HAVE to have a mandate

But it helps to be able to say a majority of voters supported me.

[SFnomad]

58. A Democratic candidate could win with 80% of the vote and Republicans would still try to

delegitimize the person.

[PoliticAverse]

103. It helps to win the Senate and the House and the larger the win the more likely...

that is to happen.

[Trust Buster]

51. The Bernie or Busters make up a small percentage of Sanders supporters. You can't judge by

those that participate on political forums. There are Cruz supporters that won't vote Trump. The fringes cancel each other out in every presidential election. The center 15% decide the presidency.

[creeksneakers2]

127. 22% of Sanders voters are planning to vote for Trump

11% are planning to vote for Johnson.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/14/a-new-poll-shows-clinton-up-12-on-trump-because-it-comes-at-a-great-time-for-clinton/

[Trust Buster]

134. And that should tell you everything you need to know about that 22%........LOL

[Nye Bevan]

59. Some, but by no means all, of them.

She will be absolutely fine with the 80% or so of Sanders supporters who say they will vote for her. Because she will also get the votes of many moderates and moderate Republicans who can't stand Trump and/or are terrified of him.

[CobaltBlue]

61. ThinkCritically—Yes.

[TDale313]

66. Yes, she'll need every vote she can get

More importantly, the DNC is making a huge long term mistake telling the nearly half of voters in the democratic primaries that supported Sanders- many of them young- that they aren't wanted or needed and are frankly despised.

[Lil Missy]

70. I think most Sanders supporters will vote for our nominee. That's how politics works.

The ones who refuse to vote for Hillary are louder and more vocal, but they don't outnumber those who will. And considering the Republican competition, I think Republicans in great numbers will cross over to our Democratic nominee this time.
Trump is just toooooo revolting.

[MineralMan]

71. The vast majority of Sanders supporters will vote for her.

Just as Hillary supporters voted for Obama in 2008. DU is not a representative sample of voters.

[MaeScott]

138. That psyops just won't work this time.

[MineralMan]

139. :shrug:

[LiberalFighter]

72. She needs Democratic votes.

If those Bernie voters were not Democratic voters in the past she likely won't need them. The same goes for those that haven't voted or not very regularly.

Those independents. Every Democratic candidate has a group of "independent" voters vote for them. That group usually splits between the two major candidates. Sometimes a bit more for one than the other. It will likely be more Democratic this time around. And yes there will be those that will not vote because they are upset. But this year it will likely be more that usually vote Republican than Democrat.

[GeorgeGist]

77. Judging by the HRC supporters responses ...

I take their answer to be NO.

[yourpaljoey]

81. Absolutely not!

[kiva]

83. It doesn't matter whether she needs them or not,

she's lost a large number of them. Moderate Republicans? Maybe, but a friend with Republican relatives said that they plan not to vote for president at all, they simply cannot bring themselves to vote for Trump and hate Hillary.

So maybe it will all come down to which candidate turns off fewer voters

[Smarmie Doofus]

85. If she does she's in serious trouble. nt

[VulgarPoet]

88. With how many times they've said they don't?

I'll take 'em at their word.

[vintx]

96. +1

[Orsino]

95. Watch the convention and platform for a preliminary answer.

I am hoping for a certain amount of pivoting.

[2banon]

97. Nah. HRC supporters here say they don't want us, they don't need us

and besides, Republican "moderates" will be the new members of the party.

And oh by the way, TPTB will never, ever let the Drumf near the Situation Room.

So the whole Trump thing is just a charade. Don't we have to keep pretending that we have a "democracy" here, you know cuz Russia and stuff?

Oh and thank you M$M for playing your part so well.

There is no contest here. Trump is never going to be allowed in the WH.

Not ever.

Unless of course Bill invites him for dinner or something.

But I'm talking about the Situation Room.

Just not going to happen.

[swhisper1]

101. depends. If Trump is the opponent, yes she can, unless she puts her foot wrong

most of the public are on the fence

[akbacchus_BC]

108. Mrs. Clinton does need Senator Sanders supporters and she knows it!

I just hope she can work with him to address the important issues that are affecting working and middle class people in America. He is proposing some great reforms!

[brooklynite]

110. Answer" Hillary Clinton HAS Sanders voters.

Notwithstanding the grousing here and on REDDIT, almost all Democratic voters will rally around Clinton, without needing Sanders' endorsement.

[Maru Kitteh]

111. She'll get enough of them. She's going to win in a landslide either way.

It's only a question of degrees.

[DJ13]

115. She either needs Bernie voters or conservatives to win

Which do you think she will be most comfortable courting?

[DLCWIdem]

123. Your OP thread is contradictory

Its not 75 % of the dem party when 80% of his supporters have made the switch already. Second of all democrats or independents? Are you using them intetchangably? Independents are not only left leaning. See Nate Silver on independents voting.

[BootinUp]

129. Do Sanders supporters need the Democratic nominee? lol. nt

[Purveyor]

132. She will if the RNC scuttles trump and installs Kaisch... eom

[EndElectoral]

135. I think at present there is more a reach for the Bush Republicans than for Sanders supporters.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hillary-clinton-invokes-unlikely-allies-000000292.html

Hillary Clinton invokes unlikely allies on the stump — the Bushes
Liz Goodwin

Hillary Clinton praised a former president to a crowd of cheering liberal supporters earlier this month as “absolutely committed” and unwavering in his support of one of her causes.

The man she spoke of was not her husband, Bill Clinton, or Barack Obama, whom she hopes to succeed. It was George W. Bush — long one of the left’s most potent villains.

In an unusual election year, when a quarter of Republicans say they do not have a favorable opinion of their presumptive nominee, Clinton is making striking overtures to conservatives even as she works to shore up support on the left flank of her party by winning over Sen. Bernie Sanders’ liberal backers.

That’s included surprisingly warm talk about both former Presidents Bush, as well as GOP icon Ronald Reagan. At a campaign stop in Westminster, Calif., earlier this month, Clinton said she was fortunate enough to have known “a lot of presidents.”

“I knew President George H.W. Bush, and he was always willing to talk about issues and ask what was on your mind,” she said. Of his son, she offered more specific praise, saying he was “absolutely committed” after 9/11 to his promise to get New York City the billions of dollars it needed to rebuild. “He never wavered and I’ll never forget that,” she said of Bush, as a few supporters clapped tepidly. (At Nancy Reagan’s funeral in March a CNN journalist posted a photo of the two hugging.)

Earlier this week, Clinton cited Bush again in her first remarks addressing the terrorist attack in Orlando, praising him for speaking at a Muslim community center just six days after the 9/11 attacks to send a message that the American Muslim community should not be blamed for them.

[Beacool]

142. Yes, we need Sanders' supporters, just like Obama needed Hillary's supporters.

The problem, IMO, is that Sanders still hasn't conceded. Although he makes vague remarks about defeating Trump, he's acting as if the primaries aren't over. This only serves to tick-off Democrats who want to pivot to the general election. It also serves as a deterrent to his supporters. Why would they want to unite and meld with the Hillary group if Sanders behaves as if he still has a chance at the nomination?

His lack of graciousness has been duly noted by the party leadership. It doesn't exalt him, quite the contrary, it makes him seem small and petty.

[ThinkCritically]

151. Actually...

he is doing the right thing. His platform is vastly different than Hillary's. If he concedes, Americans won't get any liberal policies. And as far as I know, we used to be the left wing. All he is doing is keeping us there. Hillary will try to court republican voters which means she will slide right. We should all applaud Sanders for trying to keep that from happening. Hate him all you want but he did a hell of a fine job holding supposedly progressive candidates accountable for their words. Hillary still hasn't released her speeches. I wonder why....

[Eric J in MN]

152. Hillary Clinton says that she's against the TPP.

If Sanders agreed to concede if she made a long public speech exclusively about why she opposes the TPP, would you consider that a good deal?

[chwaliszewski]

155. I think the problem is...

he can't take Hillary at her word.

[99Forever]

148. "Frankly my dear...

... I don't give a damn."

[frustrated_lefty]

150. Really, does it matter?

It's not like she's going to get the diehard voters with principles.

[beachbum bob]

156. we need ALL the voters....novemeber election MUST be a Crushing defeat of conservatives

needless talk to say hillary doesn't need sanders supporters...we need as many sanders voters, disgruntled republican voters, and everyone else

[merrily]

157. Trump is a ludicrous opponent AND the Johnson Weld ticket has about 10% of the right wing vote

already--and they've barely begun to campaign. It's really hard to see how any Dem could lose this one.

Anyway, we'll see in November.

[Jester Messiah]

158. It galls me to say so but probably not.

She's very fortunate in her opposition. If the Republicans were running some moderate milquetoast like Rubio she'd have something to worry about, but since they decided to run Mussolini Mk. II she benefits from the "Aw Hell Naw" effect. She'll probably be fine without us.

[Gothmog]

165. Put Senator Warren on the ticket

Sanders has lost his negotiating position

[Garrett78]

166. She needs most of those who voted for Obama.

There are very few swing voters. Most independents are party loyalists. And I suspect many of the Bernie or Bust folks didn't vote for Obama, and probably haven't ever voted for a Democratic presidential candidate.

All Clinton needs are for most of those who voted for Obama (be they Sanders supporters or not) to vote for her. As long as that happens, she wins in an electoral college landslide.

[tblue37]

172. Many of us Sanders supporters will support the Dem nominee in November

because we know how important it is for a Dem to be in position to appoint as many as 3 (maybe even 4!) SCOTUS justices.

[Adrahil]

175. I think she needs more than 75%, and I think she already has it.

I think we've already seen a solidification of support behind here, and some of the hard cases will follow over the next month. In the end, she'll grab 90%+ of the party.

I think it is a relatively small percentage that want to cut off their nose to spite their face.