44 Percent of DEMOCRATS Want Sanders to Make an Independent Run for the White House

[coyote]

According to a new Reuters/Ipsos poll, 44 percent of Democrats want Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders to make an independent run for the White House.

By Darien Cavanaugh

That bears repeating, that’s 44 percent of Democrats, not 44 percent of Sanders supporters.

That number closely corresponds to the 43 percent of voters who have chosen Sanders over rival Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary to date.

The poll also found that more than three-quarters of Democrats say Sanders should have a “major role” in shaping the Party’s positions and that nearly two thirds say Clinton should choose Sanders as her vice-presidential running mate.

Sanders and his supporters can now rest assured that their voice in deed has been heard throughout much of the Democratic Party and that they are influencing its base, for whatever that might be worth.

http://www.defenddemocracy.press/sanders-independent-run/

[democrattotheend]

1. Wow, that's surprising

I guess he has more clout than some people here think. But I take him at his word that he has no plans to run as an independent. I would not support him doing so, as much as I love the guy.

[2banon]

29. Bernie has NO PLANS on doing a third party run for November

He is NOT advocating this, he is NOT working behind the scenes toward that end.

period. that is all.

Not saying he should or shouldn't. Just trying to put this notion to rest.

[Squinch]

57. The OP is bullshit. There is no poll that says this. It isn't linked in the article, and when you

go looking for it, you won't find it.

Someone made it up, and the OP fell for it.

[Jennylynn]

2. Guess the Democrats have spoken

Go for it Bernie!

[L. Coyote]

70. That hidden identity on Nobby Beach, Australia, yeah, that's "the Dems" alright.

Let's all believe whatever this secret identity says, and let's start posting whatever the secret identity says on DU, brilliant idea! NOT!!!

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[Ash_F]

3. Don't know if that's a good idea, but wow.

Things don't sound good for the party. Luckily the Republicans are a bigger mess.

[coyote]

4. But what about unifying the party.

Bad Democrats.

[NurseJackie]

5. ...

[tonyt53]

6. A poll such as this one is worthless at this time. A poll is directly influenced by the question

A pollster can get almost any answer they want by asking the right question by the wording they use. Democrats? How about likely voting Democrats instead? Sander can run, but he won't have any money to do it. he is also quickly running out of time to get on the ballot in most states. The voices heard have been voices of independents that voted for Sanders. To registered Democrats those voices have been pretty shrill.

Finally, if he does, then it will be clear to most people that he really is trying to help Trump win.

[Squinch]

59. And this particular poll doesn't seem to exist anywhere. No link, nothing in Google.

[KingFlorez]

7. I'd support that just to see him lose badly

Beating him twice would be quite entertaining.

[Florencenj2point0]

10. yes, two time loser bernie

fun for us but not for him I suspect

[Jester Messiah]

84. Oh my. Whatever happened to stopping Trump at all costs?

Guess that was another big blast of hot air from Dear Leader's personality cult.

[KingFlorez]

85. Clinton would beat Trump easily even if Sanders did run third party

Beating Sanders again would a fringe benefit.

[Jester Messiah]

87. That's quite some enthusiasm you have there.

Ridiculous, but impressive all the same.

[grossproffit]

8. Well, at least they realize he lost the nomination.

[geek tragedy]

9. That's nice nt

[TheProgressive]

11. Sounds good to me...

Anybody is better than trump or clinton...

[zonkers]

53. Me too.

I think

[farleftlib]

74. IKR

but I doubt he'd do it. Sigh.

[bigwillq]

12. Cool. I'm all for multiple candidates.

Leave it up to the people. That's democracy. May the best woman or man win.

[yourpaljoey]

13. Hmmm... 44% of Dems plus 70% of Indies = WIN

[Zynx]

14. He wouldn't get 70% of indies.

You're confusing indies who decided to vote in the Dem Primary with indies at large.

[yourpaljoey]

20. In fact, he will. He will get more than 50% of the Dems and at least 10% of the Republicans, as well

They were hoping he would go away but he has made it
very clear he will not.
Hill was hoping to repeat nothing burgers like 'we must do better'
in the debates while Trump spouts utter nonsense.
This has been the plan all along.
Add Sanders and the game changes.
He runs Indy he will WIN.

[Ace Rothstein]

25. Sanders would lose in embarrassing fashion if he ran as independent.

He will get more than 50% of Dems in the General when he couldn't muster that in the Primary? LOL

[yourpaljoey]

27. We will stop the CHEATING for one thing :)

Let the People hear Trump and Hill and Sanders debate and decide who has their best
interests at heart.
Sanders will win.

[pinebox]

38. How many dems vote in primaries?

Not many.

[Zynx]

46. About 30 million.

[Lord Magus]

50. Are you seriously trying to say all the Dems who didn't vote want Bernie?

That's absurd.

[pinebox]

66. No.

What I'm saying is primaries are a bubble.

[swhisper1]

60. yea he would with trump/ hillary as their choices, they definately would, but Bern would not do it

he is a true democrat and would rather heal this party than start a war

[KingFlorez]

16. No one would win 70% of independents

Do you not realize that a lot of independents vote Republican in every cycle?

[TwilightZone]

34. Independents are almost equally split 50/50 right/left.

No one is getting 70% of Independents.

[Squinch]

58. Except that this "poll" is a scam. It isn't linked in the article, and it doesn't seem to

exist when you search for it.

[Duval]

15. Sanders has said he will not do this.

I believe he is a man of his word. We'll see what he has to say tonight.

[yourpaljoey]

22. That is sophist nonsense.

If he in fact intends to beat Trump while bringing the People's platform, he must run Indy.

[mythology]

76. He would lose horribly

And if you want to make silly claims about the people's platform why did Sanders get so many fewer delegates and votes? If the people means something it's in who they vote for which has been Clinton. It's obnoxiously disingenuous to claim Sanders somehow represents a majority of people when he trails so badly in the voting.

[yeoman6987]

39. The Green Party offered him top of the ticket

Would that go against his promise?

[BootinUp]

17. Anyone have a link to the actual poll?

[coyote]

18. Reuters link

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll-sanders-idUSKCN0YY0F9

[BootinUp]

23. 66% say he should endorse Clinton?

In a sign that Democrats hope their party can unite after a fierce primary season, two-thirds also said that Sanders should endorse Clinton, a former secretary of state and senator who appears bound for a showdown with Republican Donald Trump in November's presidential election.

That article doesn't have a link to the poll questions. Something is strange.

[TwilightZone]

35. It's the same "major role" poll that doesn't seem to have any supporting data.

"The poll was conducted from June 7-10 and included 455 respondents. It has a credibility interval, a measure of accuracy, of 5.3 percentage points."

But, there's no link to the actual data or questions. I'm curious how the questions were worded, because they're often more complex than the summary indicates.

[BootinUp]

37. wording of the questions can make a big difference. nt

[brooklynite]

19. tick, tick, tick...

[pat_k]

21. Apparently, the widespread whinging about...

...how he's such a selfish, bitter, and generally hated man that everyone just wants to "go away" is limited to places like DU.

Out there in the "real world" his persistence in advocating his agenda within the party is viewed favorably. (All the whinging people apparently fail to notice he has ceased campaigning against Hillary.)

He committed to campaign in every state until the last vote was cast. He kept that commitment. Just hours after that last vote was cast he announced that he's doing a live address Thu (i.e., tonight). Why not wait to see what he has to say before throwing tomatoes at him?

[mindwalker_i]

24. So, it seems like Trump is a concoction by the Clintons

He's the perfect person for her to be "running against." The stuff he says is so over the top, I just can't believe he's real. As such, he's there to appear as the opposition, when he's nothing of the sort. Hillary is currently running unopposed. There is no actual competition.

[djean111]

26. My thoughts exactly.

A great big setup.

[uponit7771]

49. wow

[farleftlib]

75. Yup, the illusion is evidently working

This has been apparent since the giant yam threw his hat in the ring. He's there to help her.

[mindwalker_i]

78. Yup, and people believe this or not depending on who's camp they're in

[Squinch]

28. Except that the actual poll found nothing of the sort. This is just a big lie. And

isn't it fascinating that the poll is never linked in the article?

[MyNameGoesHere]

30. This poll was taken before it became apparent

Even to a brainless amoeba that this is over. Most higher order mammals knew this in March.

[Squinch]

54. No. Fact is, this poll doesn't even exist. Try and find it. You won't and it's not linked.

[tabasco]

31. This is what happens when you hire dirt like David Brock to run your campaign

The Clintons and their coterie have effectively destroyed any chance for unity in the Democratic Party.

[ucrdem]

32. "That number closely corresponds to the 43 percent of voters who have chosen Sanders"

So it appears. This June 7-10 poll was taken just after the AP report (June 6) and Clinton's decisive win in CA (June 7) so this seems to be Bernie supporters wishful thinking.

In any case, "two-thirds also said that Sanders should endorse Clinton," so reality is setting in.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll-sanders-idUSKCN0YY0F9


By the way where's the poll data?

[Sheepshank]

33. that number doesn't make any sense

where are the Independents that he was so reliant on to make up his overall 45%...were there only 2 percent of Indies voting for Bernie?

[Squinch]

55. There is no poll. This is an out and out lie. If you try and find the poll, it doesn't exist.

[Tiggeroshii]

40. His base is probably around 20-25%

If you add the disgruntled working white folks who hate Hillary but want an alternative to Trump, you may see another 10% or so. There's a good chance he will muster at least 30%. That's not quite likely winning, but it's a start.

[Tiggeroshii]

42. Is it bernies fault Hillary can't beat a massive bigot and ignoramous like Trump?

Honestly? Besides Johnson could very well pull in close to 20% if his campaign keeps up the way it has, pulling a lot of votes away from Trump.

[Lord Magus]

51. She's beating the shit out of Trump.

And seriously you think Johnson will get 20%? He'd be lucky to get 2%. 3rd-party candidates never end up doing better in the actual voting than they do in the polls.

[Squinch]

56. You are buying into a fraud. There is no poll that says anything like what the OP says. Try and

find one that does.

[bunnies]

68. Ummm....

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll-sanders-idUSKCN0YY0F9

[Squinch]

77. Ummmm.. . According to the article, 67% want him to endorse Hillary

and 44% want him to run Independent.

See how that doesn't make sense? The article doesn't make any sense. Where're the actual poll results?

[pinebox]

69. "Disgruntled working white folks"....wow

Sure, we're all "disgruntled working white folks" who support Bernie aren't we?
Sorry but Bernie would win in a 3 way GE. Hillary and Trump have little indy support where as Bernie is close to the 80% range.
Maybe you should tone down your race baiting rhetoric some.

[felix_numinous]

43. Add that to Independents and Greens

and he is the one to beat Herr Trump.

[BobbyDrake]

44. Why isn't Reuters' poll posted on Reuters website? Glaringly absent, it is.

There's no way to prove anything claimed in the original article.

[MaeScott]

45. Especially in light of the Guccifer 2.0 doc leaks .

[anigbrowl]

47. So about 13% of the electorate

Democrats make up just under 30% of the electorate (http://www.gallup.com/poll/188096/democratic-republican-identification-near-historical-lows.aspx) and I'm far from convinced that Sanders can grow his support far beyond that base.What people say they want and how they actually behave are generally far apart in politics; I don't see so many people opting to follow a candidate with no party (and thus with no party machinery in each state).

But if the left wants to split off from the Democratic party, have at it. Pick a name and set up a competing party and try your luck...though strangely enough, few seem to have the appetite for the volume of work involved, which might be why some on the left keep demanding more power in the Democratic party rather than setting up one of their own.

[aikoaiko]

48. Some three way polling broken down by demographics would be very interesting

It's really not feasible for Bernie to run as a third party given the various rules for being on the ballots in all states, but I find the question fascinating.

[AzDar]

52. We need a TRUE Progressive in the race!

Go, Bernie...GO!!

[MFM008]

61. We still arguing about this?

Monday, monday....

[Trust Buster]

62. Sanders was never a Democrat to begin with. I say good riddance in response.

[Demsrule86]

63. That is from one poll

that you have to search in the weeds for...I don't believe almost half of all Democrats would want to throw the election to Donald Trump.

[Brewinblue]

64. No more facts, please.

They disturb the DNC and the Clintons!

[George II]

65. No link to the poll, just a biased interpretation of the poll.

[laserhaas]

67. Only ...IF...he loses in July

We'll soon see

[Demsrule86]

71. This is not a new polls...and it has been taken down

It was always a bad poll...

[NurseJackie]

79. Surely there must be some old HA Goodman "article" that can be rehashed.

[Demsrule86]

80. This is the same Reutres polls that we were looking for in the Hillary group. nt

[NurseJackie]

81. Three more days. (I think.)

[leeroysphitz]

72. I've said it before I'd vote for Sanders if he ran on a parking ticket. n/t

The little letters after peoples names don't seem to mean shit anymore. At least on our side...

[RBInMaine]

73. Not gonna happen. He has said so, doesn't want to help Trump, and cares about his legacy.

He'd split the party, lose the election, help elect MonsterTrump, and go down in history as the worst mega-schmuck of a politician imaginable.

[pnwmom]

82. Another non-representative online poll, with no posted margin of error,

because it wasn't done with a random sample.

[wildeyed]

86. Of course it is.

Last gasp of #berniemath?