Bernie said he will be in it till the convention. That is what his supporters want.

[vintx]

Why are some people here so incensed that he won't bow out now despite knowing this?

[msongs]

1. let him stay in. he is becoming more irrelevant every day. Mr 1/74th of his life a democrat can

turn blue demanding to be the boss of a party he has spent his whole life disregarding. perhaps he can get a job working at Burlington College when his run is done.

[vintx]

6. You are aware, I hope, that he votes with dems more often than most dems. You know that, right?

BDS is taking a heavy toll on some.

[JonLeibowitz]

21. 50% of dems vote with dems less often than most dems.

You are, of course, correct.

[Codeine]

37. Heh!

[Octafish]

39. The NEW ones, especially.

Coincidentally.

[vintx]

43. Don't bother their beautiful minds with uncomfortable truths

I expect that cognitive dissonance is at the root of the fit-throwing and foot-stomping about his refusal to go back on his word

[TheCowsCameHome]

7. Of course when he campaigns for Hillary

in the GE you'll be first in line to kiss his ass, won't you?

Heh.

[azurnoir]

18. yes so very irrelevant we have how many threads in this forum demonizing him and/or his supporters?

and as far as your claims about Bernie spending his whole life disparaging the Democratic Party let me refer to Skinner's comment on Bernie and the Democratic party

If it's any consolation, I really think this is in a gray area. I do not know the exact details of Bernie Sanders' relationship to the Vermont Democratic Party. My understanding is that he never actually ran in a Democratic primary, although he may have won the Democratic nomination a few times without running for it. Whatever the specifics, there does seem to exist a tacit agreement to not give him any serious Democratic opposition. So the question of whether Bernie Sanders is a Democrat is something of a red herring -- he isn't a Democrat but when he runs for congress he has the support of the Democratic establishment in Vermont and Washington DC. And he is running for the Democratic presidential nomination. So for all intents and purposes he is a Democrat, and I don't really see why anyone on DU would consider his party affiliation to be a worthwhile argument. Having said that, I wouldn't have voted to hide this, as it seems to be a close-enough description of reality. But that's just my opinion.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12598502#post1

[upaloopa]

2. He is in what? He lost the primary. There is nothing left to be in. He is about as delusional as

his supporters. The primary ended two days ago with a blow out in DC..

[chillfactor]

3. bernie is doing himself no favors...

it just proves that he is a sore loser..and never did have the heart of a Democrat...

[immoderate]

10. The hearts of Democrats are avaricious. Bernie is a democrat.

--imm

[2banon]

22. Just because you don't get that this isn't about HIM, it's about what WE want

and what WE will CONTINUE to DEMAND of the Party and work to elect down ticket to that effect.

That's the POINT you keep missing, and you do yourself NO FAVORS by attacking with ridiculous and meaningless talking points.

[geek tragedy]

4. that's fine. But if he does nothing to help, he gets nothing in return. He just becomes irrelevant

Clinton is already beating Trump and that's without Sanders doing anything at all to make himself useful.

[Uncle Joe]

5. Hillary supporters are under a lot of stress, be easy on them.

They need a group hug.


Thanks for the thread, vintx.

[vintx]

8. Why though? They've been convinced she had the Oval Office in the bag since day 1!

So what gives?

[ismnotwasm]

11. She won the primaries as we said--and said it over and over and over

We are still it saying to some for that matter. There was never a doubt in my mind. Now it's looking good for the GE as well

[vintx]

12. Perhaps you missed the OP

Not sure how your post relates to the thread

[ismnotwasm]

14. It ok. There.

There there.

[vintx]

15. Nice.

Real nice.

[ismnotwasm]

24. Ok sorry

But I responding to your comment, not the OP. For what it's worth, I don't personally care if he stays in or not--It's my personal opinion he will do himself political harm, but I could be wrong of course.

[TheCowsCameHome]

23. Good luck in the fall.

You'll need it.

[ismnotwasm]

26. Are you planning on voting for Clinton?

If not, what could I possibly do to change your mind?

[TheCowsCameHome]

28. Actually, you've done quite a lot.

Maybe not in the way intended, but a lot nevertheless.

[ismnotwasm]

30. Ok.

[Uncle Joe]

20. Two primary reasons; short term and long term.

They're worried about the ongoing FBI criminal investigation which could derail her nomination, election and possible tenure.

As for the long term they see the writing on the wall in regards to the new generation's continuous progressive pull on the Democratic Party and away from corporate supremacy.

DLC/Third Way or whatever you want to call it, days are numbered.

The nation is changing and many if not most people's natural tendencies are to resist change, it pulls you out of your comfort zone, on the other hand it's the only way to grow either as a person or a people.

[vintx]

44. But for so long on this site we were all but unanimous in our derision

For third -way, neoliberal bullshit.

I don't understand what happened to this place

[ismnotwasm]

9. Awww

Just so you don't feel left out.

[RobertEarl]

13. Bernie is practicing real democracy

It seems real democracy is a foreign subject to many.

[vintx]

16. Right?

He has no reason to back down early for some back-room horse-trading.

So why they expect him to break his word is a mystery to me.

[Gothmog]

33. Lets put Senator Warren on as VP and then we can ignore Sanders

Sanders does not have a great negotiating hand if he wants a convention speech

Senator Warren as VP is looking better and better every day.

[Lord Magus]

48. What's a mystery to me is why you think it's "early" after every single ballot has been cast.

The primary season has ended. If Bernie "takes it to the convention" without ever admitting he lost, that will make him irrelevant.

[CorkySt.Clair]

29. So is the basic concept of winning and losing, apparently.

[mythology]

45. Wait, are you defining real democracy as going against the expressed will of the voters?

That's an interesting definition.

[MyNameGoesHere]

17. He is about to become one of the lefts loony fringe

Members. I can live with that.

[vintx]

19. Are you new? People have been calling him that for decades.

Meanwhile this country is off the charts to the right with Dems doing as little as possible to change that trend, while the rest of the modern world has things like single payer and affordable education.

[MyNameGoesHere]

27. Yes I am new everyday and I am #berndout. Eom

[eastwestdem]

25. Personally, I want him to say in, as it further turns his 'revolution' into a laughing stock...but

I think the people who are mad feel that he used the Democratic Party in order to promote is own agenda, and that the Dems are being too kind to him in negotiating with him for anything. I can see their point...that the Dems have already been more than generous...and he deserves nothing more. The DNC, still seems to be scared that they will lose the Sanders voters if they don't give him something, but I think they will find the more time goes by, the more irrelevant this issue will become.

[anigbrowl]

31. We can give him a special ribbon for his dash from the finish line to the podium

But that's not going to alter the fact that he has finished in second place.

[Gothmog]

32. If Sanders does not concede early enough, then no convention speech

[LWolf]

35. Then he can speak at one of the gatherings outside the convention; there

will be plenty there.

[Gothmog]

49. I am running to be a Clinton delegate and love this

Sanders can stay on the ourside and i will be happy inside the convention

[djean111]

34. My full ignore list seems to belch every once in a while, and I see noxious stuff that

I thought I had ignored. Not many days left to care, really, but strange.

Yeah, it is amusing to see the whining and threats about Bernie not conceding. He will ruin his career!! Argle-bargle-bargle-aughhhhh! So many petty authoritarians! Wow!

[vintx]

46. Amusing is one word for it

Not the word I'd choose

[djean111]

47. Oh, yes, I can think of several other more adequately descriptive words.

Poked around while logged out, earlier.

Jeezy-creezy. I am a "resistor"! And in some convoluted way I am a racist if I don't support Hillary. Oh well.
My line in the sand is war and fracking and the TPP and increased H-1B visas, etc. - which are bad for ALL of us.

I am not "resisting". I am "refusing".

[felix_numinous]

36. It's obviously all they got

They cannot run on issues, so there is no defense but to manufacture consent and manufacture outrage against an honest candidate with THEIR best interests in mind.

Reminds me of working in ERs and having to work on drunk addicted people while they punch and kick, they have been blinkered, so I save my anger for those who have orchestrated this.

[democrattotheend]

38. Not all of us

At this point I would rather see him focus on helping progressive challengers to establishment candidates in Congressional and local primaries.

[JonLeibowitz]

40. This is what he is currently doing, along with fighting for the party platform.

[SheenaR]

41. He is well aware

that Sec. Clinton will not adopt any of his platform. His platform is the most progressive one we have seen in my lifetime. Why would he not continue to push that platform until he is no longer able to do so.

Progressives should be applauding this. He is doing the Party a favor. He is not harming Clinton at all. Trump does all the harm anyone could imagine to himself.

Bernie's voice need not be silenced.

[YouDig]

42. We get that. The question is why.

There are no more votes to be had, so he's obviously not going to accomplish anything substance-wise with this little stunt.

Looks to me that he just wants to hear himself talk, and also give the finger to the party that he feels betrayed him by not voting for him. And a lot of his supporters hate Hillary so they like anything that makes her campaign more difficult, even if that means helping Trump.