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Thu Jun 16, 2016, 01:56 PM

 

Bernie said he will be in it till the convention. That is what his supporters want.

Why are some people here so incensed that he won't bow out now despite knowing this?

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Reply Bernie said he will be in it till the convention. That is what his supporters want. (Original post)
vintx Jun 2016 OP
msongs Jun 2016 #1
vintx Jun 2016 #6
JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #21
Codeine Jun 2016 #37
Octafish Jun 2016 #39
vintx Jun 2016 #43
TheCowsCameHome Jun 2016 #7
azurnoir Jun 2016 #18
upaloopa Jun 2016 #2
chillfactor Jun 2016 #3
immoderate Jun 2016 #10
2banon Jun 2016 #22
geek tragedy Jun 2016 #4
Uncle Joe Jun 2016 #5
vintx Jun 2016 #8
ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #11
vintx Jun 2016 #12
ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #14
vintx Jun 2016 #15
ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #24
TheCowsCameHome Jun 2016 #23
ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #26
TheCowsCameHome Jun 2016 #28
ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #30
Uncle Joe Jun 2016 #20
vintx Jun 2016 #44
ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #9
RobertEarl Jun 2016 #13
vintx Jun 2016 #16
Gothmog Jun 2016 #33
Lord Magus Jun 2016 #48
CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #29
mythology Jun 2016 #45
MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #17
vintx Jun 2016 #19
MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #27
eastwestdem Jun 2016 #25
anigbrowl Jun 2016 #31
Gothmog Jun 2016 #32
LWolf Jun 2016 #35
Gothmog Jun 2016 #49
djean111 Jun 2016 #34
vintx Jun 2016 #46
djean111 Jun 2016 #47
felix_numinous Jun 2016 #36
democrattotheend Jun 2016 #38
JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #40
SheenaR Jun 2016 #41
YouDig Jun 2016 #42

Response to vintx (Original post)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 01:58 PM

1. let him stay in. he is becoming more irrelevant every day. Mr 1/74th of his life a democrat can

turn blue demanding to be the boss of a party he has spent his whole life disregarding. perhaps he can get a job working at Burlington College when his run is done.

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 02:03 PM

6. You are aware, I hope, that he votes with dems more often than most dems. You know that, right?

 

BDS is taking a heavy toll on some.

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Response to vintx (Reply #6)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 02:18 PM

21. 50% of dems vote with dems less often than most dems.



You are, of course, correct.

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #21)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 04:20 PM

37. Heh!

 

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #21)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 04:33 PM

39. The NEW ones, especially.

Coincidentally.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #39)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 06:14 PM

43. Don't bother their beautiful minds with uncomfortable truths

 

I expect that cognitive dissonance is at the root of the fit-throwing and foot-stomping about his refusal to go back on his word

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 02:03 PM

7. Of course when he campaigns for Hillary

in the GE you'll be first in line to kiss his ass, won't you?

Heh.

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 02:17 PM

18. yes so very irrelevant we have how many threads in this forum demonizing him and/or his supporters?

and as far as your claims about Bernie spending his whole life disparaging the Democratic Party let me refer to Skinner's comment on Bernie and the Democratic party

If it's any consolation, I really think this is in a gray area. I do not know the exact details of Bernie Sanders' relationship to the Vermont Democratic Party. My understanding is that he never actually ran in a Democratic primary, although he may have won the Democratic nomination a few times without running for it. Whatever the specifics, there does seem to exist a tacit agreement to not give him any serious Democratic opposition. So the question of whether Bernie Sanders is a Democrat is something of a red herring -- he isn't a Democrat but when he runs for congress he has the support of the Democratic establishment in Vermont and Washington DC. And he is running for the Democratic presidential nomination. So for all intents and purposes he is a Democrat, and I don't really see why anyone on DU would consider his party affiliation to be a worthwhile argument. Having said that, I wouldn't have voted to hide this, as it seems to be a close-enough description of reality. But that's just my opinion.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/12598502#post1

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Response to vintx (Original post)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 01:59 PM

2. He is in what? He lost the primary. There is nothing left to be in. He is about as delusional as

his supporters. The primary ended two days ago with a blow out in DC..

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Response to vintx (Original post)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 02:02 PM

3. bernie is doing himself no favors...

it just proves that he is a sore loser..and never did have the heart of a Democrat...

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 02:06 PM

10. The hearts of Democrats are avaricious. Bernie is a democrat.

 



--imm

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 02:19 PM

22. Just because you don't get that this isn't about HIM, it's about what WE want

 

and what WE will CONTINUE to DEMAND of the Party and work to elect down ticket to that effect.

That's the POINT you keep missing, and you do yourself NO FAVORS by attacking with ridiculous and meaningless talking points.

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Response to vintx (Original post)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 02:03 PM

4. that's fine. But if he does nothing to help, he gets nothing in return. He just becomes irrelevant

 

Clinton is already beating Trump and that's without Sanders doing anything at all to make himself useful.

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Response to vintx (Original post)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 02:03 PM

5. Hillary supporters are under a lot of stress, be easy on them.

They need a group hug.


Thanks for the thread, vintx.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 02:04 PM

8. Why though? They've been convinced she had the Oval Office in the bag since day 1!

 

So what gives?

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Response to vintx (Reply #8)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 02:07 PM

11. She won the primaries as we said--and said it over and over and over

We are still it saying to some for that matter. There was never a doubt in my mind. Now it's looking good for the GE as well

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #11)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 02:08 PM

12. Perhaps you missed the OP

 

Not sure how your post relates to the thread

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Response to vintx (Reply #12)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 02:10 PM

14. It ok. There.

There there.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #14)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 02:11 PM

15. Nice.

 

Real nice.

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Response to vintx (Reply #15)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 02:20 PM

24. Ok sorry

But I responding to your comment, not the OP. For what it's worth, I don't personally care if he stays in or not--It's my personal opinion he will do himself political harm, but I could be wrong of course.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #11)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 02:20 PM

23. Good luck in the fall.

You'll need it.

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #23)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 02:21 PM

26. Are you planning on voting for Clinton?

If not, what could I possibly do to change your mind?

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #26)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 02:30 PM

28. Actually, you've done quite a lot.

Maybe not in the way intended, but a lot nevertheless.

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #28)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 02:37 PM

30. Ok.

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Response to vintx (Reply #8)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 02:18 PM

20. Two primary reasons; short term and long term.

They're worried about the ongoing FBI criminal investigation which could derail her nomination, election and possible tenure.

As for the long term they see the writing on the wall in regards to the new generation's continuous progressive pull on the Democratic Party and away from corporate supremacy.

DLC/Third Way or whatever you want to call it, days are numbered.

The nation is changing and many if not most people's natural tendencies are to resist change, it pulls you out of your comfort zone, on the other hand it's the only way to grow either as a person or a people.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #20)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 06:17 PM

44. But for so long on this site we were all but unanimous in our derision

 

For third -way, neoliberal bullshit.

I don't understand what happened to this place

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 02:05 PM

9. Awww



Just so you don't feel left out.

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Response to vintx (Original post)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 02:08 PM

13. Bernie is practicing real democracy

 

It seems real democracy is a foreign subject to many.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #13)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 02:12 PM

16. Right?

 

He has no reason to back down early for some back-room horse-trading.

So why they expect him to break his word is a mystery to me.

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Response to vintx (Reply #16)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 03:56 PM

33. Lets put Senator Warren on as VP and then we can ignore Sanders

Sanders does not have a great negotiating hand if he wants a convention speech

Senator Warren as VP is looking better and better every day.

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Response to vintx (Reply #16)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 07:01 PM

48. What's a mystery to me is why you think it's "early" after every single ballot has been cast.

The primary season has ended. If Bernie "takes it to the convention" without ever admitting he lost, that will make him irrelevant.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #13)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 02:34 PM

29. So is the basic concept of winning and losing, apparently.

 

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #13)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 06:18 PM

45. Wait, are you defining real democracy as going against the expressed will of the voters?

 

That's an interesting definition.

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Response to vintx (Original post)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 02:14 PM

17. He is about to become one of the lefts loony fringe

Members. I can live with that.

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Response to MyNameGoesHere (Reply #17)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 02:17 PM

19. Are you new? People have been calling him that for decades.

 

Meanwhile this country is off the charts to the right with Dems doing as little as possible to change that trend, while the rest of the modern world has things like single payer and affordable education.

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Response to vintx (Reply #19)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 02:23 PM

27. Yes I am new everyday and I am #berndout. Eom

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Response to vintx (Original post)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 02:21 PM

25. Personally, I want him to say in, as it further turns his 'revolution' into a laughing stock...but

 

I think the people who are mad feel that he used the Democratic Party in order to promote is own agenda, and that the Dems are being too kind to him in negotiating with him for anything. I can see their point...that the Dems have already been more than generous...and he deserves nothing more. The DNC, still seems to be scared that they will lose the Sanders voters if they don't give him something, but I think they will find the more time goes by, the more irrelevant this issue will become.

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Response to vintx (Original post)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 02:53 PM

31. We can give him a special ribbon for his dash from the finish line to the podium

 

But that's not going to alter the fact that he has finished in second place.

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Response to vintx (Original post)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 03:54 PM

32. If Sanders does not concede early enough, then no convention speech

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #32)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 04:14 PM

35. Then he can speak at one of the gatherings outside the convention; there

will be plenty there.

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Response to LWolf (Reply #35)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 10:53 PM

49. I am running to be a Clinton delegate and love this

Sanders can stay on the ourside and i will be happy inside the convention

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Response to vintx (Original post)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 03:58 PM

34. My full ignore list seems to belch every once in a while, and I see noxious stuff that

 

I thought I had ignored. Not many days left to care, really, but strange.

Yeah, it is amusing to see the whining and threats about Bernie not conceding. He will ruin his career!! Argle-bargle-bargle-aughhhhh! So many petty authoritarians! Wow!

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Response to djean111 (Reply #34)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 06:20 PM

46. Amusing is one word for it

 

Not the word I'd choose

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Response to vintx (Reply #46)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 06:37 PM

47. Oh, yes, I can think of several other more adequately descriptive words.

 

Poked around while logged out, earlier.

Jeezy-creezy. I am a "resistor"! And in some convoluted way I am a racist if I don't support Hillary. Oh well.
My line in the sand is war and fracking and the TPP and increased H-1B visas, etc. - which are bad for ALL of us.

I am not "resisting". I am "refusing".

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Response to vintx (Original post)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 04:17 PM

36. It's obviously all they got

They cannot run on issues, so there is no defense but to manufacture consent and manufacture outrage against an honest candidate with THEIR best interests in mind.

Reminds me of working in ERs and having to work on drunk addicted people while they punch and kick, they have been blinkered, so I save my anger for those who have orchestrated this.

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Response to vintx (Original post)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 04:32 PM

38. Not all of us

At this point I would rather see him focus on helping progressive challengers to establishment candidates in Congressional and local primaries.

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #38)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 05:28 PM

40. This is what he is currently doing, along with fighting for the party platform.

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Response to vintx (Original post)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 05:42 PM

41. He is well aware

that Sec. Clinton will not adopt any of his platform. His platform is the most progressive one we have seen in my lifetime. Why would he not continue to push that platform until he is no longer able to do so.

Progressives should be applauding this. He is doing the Party a favor. He is not harming Clinton at all. Trump does all the harm anyone could imagine to himself.

Bernie's voice need not be silenced.

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Response to vintx (Original post)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 05:48 PM

42. We get that. The question is why.

There are no more votes to be had, so he's obviously not going to accomplish anything substance-wise with this little stunt.

Looks to me that he just wants to hear himself talk, and also give the finger to the party that he feels betrayed him by not voting for him. And a lot of his supporters hate Hillary so they like anything that makes her campaign more difficult, even if that means helping Trump.

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