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[tonyt53]

1. What office is Bill Clinton running for? Might be a surprise but most of us did well with Bill.

[Octafish]

2. Not in Detroit.

We're going on Year 49 of Hurt.

Learn:

http://detroitjournalism.csnoc.net/2016/02/25/the-intersection-an-introduction/

[tonyt53]

12. I did say "most", not all. Yeah, I've been to Detroit.

[bobthedrummer]

3. Here's some more bits of history that still matters to some of us in 2016

BCCI, Iran Contra relevance; UAE, Saudi, Pakistan, money and Bush family (ProSense DU 2006)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2870996

Inconvenient truths about the New Democrats, the Third Way, Democratic Leadership Council, etc
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027630485

Not so strange bedfellows at all, are they?

[Octafish]

13. Difference between New and Old Democrats is like Night and Day.

KISS for those raised on Reagan post-Powell Memorandum:

Old Democrats believe in using the powers of government to make life better for ALL Americans.

New Democrats believe government doesn't have any business trying to make life better for anybody, apart from the rich.

[brooklynite]

4. Four days of fun left...

[Electric Monk]

7. Here's a better picture for you to use if/when the change you're hoping for comes to fruition

[NurseJackie]

11. #FeelTheUnity

[Octafish]

15. You wrote you were part of the 1-percent on DU...

...so I can understand how you'd like this discussion halted.

Here in Detroit, my wealthy Republican friends hate the idea of a Democratic president because they fear they would have to sacrifice some of their wealth in higher taxes.

And for the most part, they never heard of Phil Gramm.

[Electric Monk]

5. Hopelessly naive or shamelessly corrupt?

(I'll go with shamelessly corrupt)

Gramm of Texas: Hopelessly naive or shamelessly corrupt?

[TwilightZone]

6. Bill Clinton doesn't work for UBS. Also, your link to UBS at the bottom is five years old.

As for the UBS story: "Setting the Record Straight on the Wall Street Journal Hatchet Job of Hillary Clinton Regarding UBS"

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/8/2/1408141/-Setting-the-Record-Straight-on-the-Wall-Street-Journal-Hatchet-Job-of-Hillary-Clinton-Regarding-UBS

Enjoy.

[Octafish]

10. UBS has paid Bill Clinton millions.

Kos must have missed that part.

The Clintons and the sordid UBS affair

By Ernest A. Canning
The Hill, March 10, 2016

The story, as originally recounted by James V. Grimaldi and Rebecca Ballhaus of The Wall Street Journal, was, of itself, deeply troubling. In March 2009, after meeting with Swiss Foreign Minister Micheline Calmy-Rey, then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton intervened with the U.S. Internal Revenue Service (IRS) on behalf of Switzerland's most powerful banking institution, UBS. The IRS, which at that time was seeking the identity of wealthy Americans who had stashed some $20 billion in 52,000 tax evading UBS accounts, then agreed that the Swiss bank need only turn over information on 4,450 accounts. Afterwards, UBS increased its previous $60,000 in donations to the Clinton Foundation ten-fold. By the end of 2014, UBS donations to the Clinton Foundation totaled $600,000. UBS also "paid former President Bill Clinton $1.5 million to participate in a series of question-and-answer sessions with UBS Wealth Management Chief Executive Bob McCann, making UBS his biggest single corporate source of speech income disclosed since he left the White House."

Those facts, of themselves, raise disturbing questions. Did a bank that still ranks as "the world's biggest wealth manager" and has at its disposal a bevy of economists and law firms have a legitimate reason for paying Bill Clinton $1.5 million in speaking fees? Or was the $1.5 million and the tenfold increase in Clinton Foundation donations a reward for the former secretary of State's intervention? If the latter, that reward would have, under federal law (18 U.S.C. § 201(c)(1)(A)), amounted to an illicit bribe.

CONTINUED...

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/presidential-campaign/272396-the-clintons-and-the-sordid-ubs-affair

So what if the link is five years old? It's UBS current web page.

http://financialservicesinc.ubs.com/revitalizingamerica/SenatorPhilGramm.html

Good for him. Nothing for me to enjoy.

[TwilightZone]

14. The basis for that article is the same Wall Street Journal article.

But thanks for playing.

"So what if the link is five years old? It's UBS current web page."

No, it's not. It's an old link on a sub-site they no longer use. "© UBS 2011"

They just didn't remove the pages. Happens all the time. http://financialservicesinc.ubs.com redirects to their current site.

[Octafish]

16. Wealth Management at UBS

https://www.ubs.com/global/en/bank_for_banks/news/topical_stories/edition_33.html

[NurseJackie]

8. ... Rupaul says it best ...

[NurseJackie]

9. PS: You forgot to ask ... "Why are Hillbots such sore winners?"