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brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 10:47 AM Jun 2016

Sanders loses convention leverage

Politico:

BURLINGTON, Vt. — Leverage: it’s the one thing Bernie Sanders’ advisors and aides consistently point to when asked why, exactly, he’s formally staying in the Democratic primary race that he’s lost to Hillary Clinton.

But it's the one thing he’s been bleeding every day ever since he dropped California’s primary by a much wider-than-expected margin last week. Sanders’ summer was supposed to be all about building leverage for the Democratic convention, providing him with a better hand to play as he presses Clinton to accept his policy positions and party reform suggestions. Now, the people closest to him aren’t sure how exactly to get it back.

His first and most prominent endorsers have jumped off the bandwagon, congratulating and in some cases endorsing Clinton — from Sen. Jeff Merkley to Rep. Raul Grijalva, and from the Communications Workers of America to MoveOn.org.Each of the big-name Democrats and groups who steadfastly remained neutral in the primary have flocked to Clinton over the past week, from President Barack Obama to Sen. Elizabeth Warren to the AFL-CIO. Even Sanders' highest-profile congressional endorsee, Nevada’s Lucy Flores, lost her primary bid on Tuesday despite his cash injection into her campaign.


Someone will probably complain that this is unnecessary "bashing" of Sanders. But since his Campaign Manager says Sanders is "still an active candidate", it's worth evaluating the real future of his campaign.
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Sanders loses convention leverage (Original Post) brooklynite Jun 2016 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 #1
the truth is Clinton doesn't need Sanders and is rapidly reaching the point geek tragedy Jun 2016 #2
I'm thinking Nov. 9th she might realize she needed him. harun Jun 2016 #15
Is that what you are hoping LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #17
No, she's winning right now, with him being deliberately geek tragedy Jun 2016 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #28
all of the sensible Sanders supporters have already begun the process of moving on. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #33
Exactly!! nt eastwestdem Jun 2016 #39
Your moderate republican's voting for Hillary in Red states is going to do nothing. harun Jun 2016 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #57
So one more for Bern it all down then? CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #36
Your signature line is everything to me. grossproffit Jun 2016 #58
Thanks CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #60
She is kicking Trumps ass right now according to polls workinclasszero Jun 2016 #59
I have been thinking that, too -- Orlando changed things obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #41
her speech slamming Trump changed things. that prompted Trump's current meltdown. nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #45
The truth is Clinton and her accolytes think they don't need anyone except Trump and her big donors. leveymg Jun 2016 #54
I think Bernie is doing exactly what he wants and I support him. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #3
Agreed. I, too, support Bernie in whatever he wants to do. He is a trustworthy leader. Cal33 Jun 2016 #31
Exactly. He's a wise man and a wise politician. He's trustworthy and his ideals are Triana Jun 2016 #40
Since when is acknowledging reality something that requires inducement? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #47
So he hasn't bowed down and kissed the ring yet....awwwww Armstead Jun 2016 #4
"Sanders has to be miondful of the 43 percent of the voters" TwilightZone Jun 2016 #7
Clinton's main objection to Obama is that he was not her. Armstead Jun 2016 #9
"Clinton wanted to make sure she was in with Obama so she could benefit personally. " TwilightZone Jun 2016 #16
I didn't say that.. Armstead Jun 2016 #25
The problem with that argument touted by Bernie Supporters (in your title) Sheepshank Jun 2016 #34
This isn't the first time a candidate has lost to someone they had real disagreements with. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #49
His relatively small audience for the live streamed speech is a signal redstateblues Jun 2016 #5
"still far from sounding a truly conciliatory tone." geek tragedy Jun 2016 #6
Merkley is still going to cast a symbolic superdelegate vote for Bernie Tarc Jun 2016 #8
I'm not sure how Merkley endorsing the expected nominee is Sanders losing leverage. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #53
POWER HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #10
Bernie is keeping the focus on himself as long as he can by not conceding. onehandle Jun 2016 #11
As my husband often describes it - "more ME, please!" calimary Jun 2016 #18
I think he has less than a week.... Adrahil Jun 2016 #12
I would agree with that Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #22
He had a stronger negotiating position before California and New Jersey voted ... NurseJackie Jun 2016 #50
I think a Wednesday afternoon speaking slot would be just right for him. CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #13
Watch and learn as our great candidates work to demolish Trump and take over Congress. L. Coyote Jun 2016 #14
No...we don't want two 'candidates' Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #20
We have 435 congressional districts = pop, 710,000 each, 55 districts to flip L. Coyote Jun 2016 #30
We have a gerrymander ...the only hope of getting the house is for Clinton to win by 8-10 points. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #35
Here. Dawgs Jun 2016 #19
No one but BOB's will watch that. Like all Berniebots...Cent has done himself real harm. nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #21
Cenk....do you mean to say apcalc Jun 2016 #29
Yeah well spell check has never heard of him.. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #37
It's okay. Dawgs Jun 2016 #48
Speaking of ego, Cenk is a idiot MattP Jun 2016 #26
Trump is doing so much to to scare the Whack-a-doodle out of Americans, and Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #24
Who? zappaman Jun 2016 #27
This is the Hillary supporter threat AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #32
He needs to lose his committee assignments. nt LexVegas Jun 2016 #38
100% agree obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #42
No reason to be petty, we may need him someday. tritsofme Jun 2016 #44
nah, he can keep his committee assignments, they need his vote geek tragedy Jun 2016 #46
I disagree. Chemisse Jun 2016 #52
Without penalty and not having WhiteTara Jun 2016 #56
Without penalty means not taking him off of committees or penalizing him in some other way. Chemisse Jun 2016 #61
Sanders' leverage peaked about a week ago. Chemisse Jun 2016 #51

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
2. the truth is Clinton doesn't need Sanders and is rapidly reaching the point
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 10:51 AM
Jun 2016

where she won't have any use for him

LoverOfLiberty

(1,438 posts)
17. Is that what you are hoping
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 11:13 AM
Jun 2016

will happen? Because there seems to be a lot of that going around on the Democratic site.

Response to harun (Reply #15)

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
33. all of the sensible Sanders supporters have already begun the process of moving on.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 11:59 AM
Jun 2016

including those who are authentic socialists and leftwingers

his movement is evaporating right under his feet.

now that he's not a real candidate anymore, his movement is losing the glue that held it together.

harun

(11,348 posts)
55. Your moderate republican's voting for Hillary in Red states is going to do nothing.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 01:24 PM
Jun 2016

We will see soon enough.

Response to harun (Reply #55)

 

CorkySt.Clair

(1,507 posts)
60. Thanks
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 03:30 PM
Jun 2016

I saw a thread on the "competing', anti-Dem site that shall not be named that was complaining about how another poster had this gif in their sig so I thought, why not make it 4 times as annoying to them.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
59. She is kicking Trumps ass right now according to polls
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 02:53 PM
Jun 2016

with ZERO help from Sanders.

Sanders was an illusion all along, now he is a total non-factor.

Response to geek tragedy (Reply #43)

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
54. The truth is Clinton and her accolytes think they don't need anyone except Trump and her big donors.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 01:14 PM
Jun 2016

Once elected, she'll simply move further to the Right and escalate the New Cold War. That should be fun.

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
3. I think Bernie is doing exactly what he wants and I support him.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 10:52 AM
Jun 2016

If HRC hasn't offered something to induce his concession, then there really isn't any point in conceding.
 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
40. Exactly. He's a wise man and a wise politician. He's trustworthy and his ideals are
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 12:20 PM
Jun 2016

what should be any Democrat's ideals. He's fighting for them and his supporters should fight with him. As for the rest - the oligarchy and their cheerleaders who just want more of the same from the last 40+ years, leave them behind.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
47. Since when is acknowledging reality something that requires inducement?
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 12:32 PM
Jun 2016

We're not talking about whether Bernie endorses Hillary, just about whether he admits she beat him and congratulates her on her win.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
4. So he hasn't bowed down and kissed the ring yet....awwwww
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 10:56 AM
Jun 2016

He has made it clear that he plans to actively work to support the Democratic nominee against Trump.

He is not in the same position as his high-profile supporters, who are able to switch quickly. Sanders has to be miondful of the 43 percent of the voters who supported HIM in the primary for a reason.



TwilightZone

(25,464 posts)
7. "Sanders has to be miondful of the 43 percent of the voters"
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 11:01 AM
Jun 2016

Clinton had 48% of the voters in 2008 and didn't drag things out. She conceded, endorsed Obama, and actively campaigned for him.

Sorry, but that argument makes no sense. Sanders is not unique in any of this. People win; people lose. Happens every cycle. What they do next is how they're differentiated.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
9. Clinton's main objection to Obama is that he was not her.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 11:04 AM
Jun 2016

Sanders -- and those who support him -- are pressing for other goals than just his own political ambitions.

Clinton wanted to make sure she was in with Obama so she could benefit personally. She and Bill wanted to maintain their own power base and not ruin her desire to keep her options open as a future potential nominee.

That is different.

TwilightZone

(25,464 posts)
16. "Clinton wanted to make sure she was in with Obama so she could benefit personally. "
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 11:12 AM
Jun 2016

Ah, the bullshit "she only conceded and/or blackmailed him for the SOS job and personal gain" meme.

A classic. Too bad it exists only in the minds of a few Sanders supporters.

And you wonder why there's still animosity between the two sides on DU.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
25. I didn't say that..
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 11:30 AM
Jun 2016

She made a decision not to fight Obama to protect her own political position. It was not just this magnanimous selfless sacrifice on her part.

(Though I also am fairly sure the SOS job was payback. She was not the most qualified choice available.)

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
34. The problem with that argument touted by Bernie Supporters (in your title)
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 12:01 PM
Jun 2016

is that if Bernie is so very worked up about promoting his agenda, and wanting to have any sort of clout he should be wanting to make sure he is doing this right so that he can benefit as well. Instead he seems to want everyone to bow down to his whims for no apparent reason that it's what he wants.

Hillary knew how to do it build relationships after the 2008 election, and Bernie in 2016 clearly doesn't and it blowing it all way around. He is coming across as wanting the DNC and Clinton to kiss his ring so that he will finally declare her the winner and also get to reform the DNC, and write the party platform. There was a reason he developed the reputation of not getting along with his peers over he last couple of decades in office.

I am so glad this type of personality isn't leading the nation especially when it comes to international relations and trying to cajole and massage the Republicans into anything. While I think the Republicans are not going to be quite as obstructionist and reticent as they were under Obama, they still don't play well, and some contrarian, inflexible baggers will remain in office. Hopefully a larger group would have learned how much damage this McConnell process (obstructionist/Tea Bagger negativity) has caused, they will try the compromise route a little more often than under Obama. It will take cajoling and massaging to nudge the Reps in the that direction. Bernie doesn't have the ability and personality to do that...at least not that he's shown any passable ability in that area in his 20+ years in office.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
49. This isn't the first time a candidate has lost to someone they had real disagreements with.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 12:35 PM
Jun 2016

And conceding that the winner actually won is not some grand favor that Bernie would be giving to Hillary.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
5. His relatively small audience for the live streamed speech is a signal
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 10:58 AM
Jun 2016

to Hillary that Bernie's support is fairly soft. Considering that he got 12M voters in the primary, 218,000 is a blip

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
6. "still far from sounding a truly conciliatory tone."
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 11:00 AM
Jun 2016
And while his team has started signaling that it’s reached a new phase, it’s still far from sounding a truly conciliatory tone.

“We would like to get to a place where we could very actively support the nominee,” campaign manager Jeff Weaver told Bloomberg Television on Thursday — a hope-filled line for Clinton’s team that nonetheless implied there was still considerable work to be done before true unity is achieved.

To Sanders’ most steadfast remaining supporters, anything short of a continued campaign to tug Clinton on specific points — from embracing a nationwide ban on fracking to axing the superdelegate system — would be an abandonment of his “political revolution."


There will be no unity.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
8. Merkley is still going to cast a symbolic superdelegate vote for Bernie
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 11:01 AM
Jun 2016

But is otherwise fully on-board with supporting Hillary in the fall. Otherwise, this article is pretty spot-on; the longer he holds out the more he loses standing in the party.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
53. I'm not sure how Merkley endorsing the expected nominee is Sanders losing leverage.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 12:48 PM
Jun 2016

Other than the fact that the loser of the primaries doesn't become the nominee.

Merkley's support for Bernie and the issues hasn't changed.

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
10. POWER
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 11:05 AM
Jun 2016

So ask yourself why you are unable to let it go, if Bernie isn't really a factor any longer why are you dedicating so much time and effort towards him?

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
11. Bernie is keeping the focus on himself as long as he can by not conceding.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 11:07 AM
Jun 2016

He's being just another politician, which is sad.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
18. As my husband often describes it - "more ME, please!"
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 11:17 AM
Jun 2016

I'm sorry, but that sure seems to be about the size of it. He's losing leverage. So glaringly that even the chattering class is on it now. As Nancy Reagan once warned - "people are talking" - to the hapless and didn't-realize-his-goose-is-cooked Don Regan. Buzz had begun that he was in trouble, had fallen out of favor, and was well on his way out of the Reagan White House. It turned out to be true. Bernie does NOT want people talking about this, now. It doesn't serve him or suit his interests. I get a very strong feeling that he does not realize this.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
12. I think he has less than a week....
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 11:07 AM
Jun 2016

or he becomes pretty irrelevant.

Yesterday, the last Sanders supporter I personally know (and earlier, a self-proclaimed Bernie-or-Buster) said he would support Clinton in November. He's reluctant, but he's doing it. The other Bernie supporters I know pledged Clinton support following California.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
50. He had a stronger negotiating position before California and New Jersey voted ...
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 12:37 PM
Jun 2016

... but his vanity prevented him from making the most of things. More opportunities squandered, and it's been downhill for him ever since.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
14. Watch and learn as our great candidates work to demolish Trump and take over Congress.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 11:09 AM
Jun 2016

And by that I mean work together, albeit not everything happening in a US Presidential campaign is transparent to everyone.

There is a game plan at this point for a unified party and a November victory that includes all the new people brought into the process.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
20. No...we don't want two 'candidates'
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 11:17 AM
Jun 2016

We want one nominee and one former candidate who has conceded and endorsed working to demolish Trump...It won't work any other way.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
35. We have a gerrymander ...the only hope of getting the house is for Clinton to win by 8-10 points.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 12:03 PM
Jun 2016

Bernie is no help with any of that. He needs to help as a former candidate. She is the nominee, and we don't need two candidates ...we need one nominee and one former candidate who fights for the Democrats without saying crappy things about Democrats...flipping the house is meaningless if Trump gets in with five court picks.

apcalc

(4,463 posts)
29. Cenk....do you mean to say
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 11:44 AM
Jun 2016

CHANGE IS INCREMENTAL??????

The revolution isn't dead , and will TAKE SOME TIME?
Work with the grassroots? Work to change the Senate and the House?

Well waddaya know? Hillary was criticized for ' incrementalism' here often.

Duh.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
37. Yeah well spell check has never heard of him..
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 12:06 PM
Jun 2016

The revolution is dead. Bernie has wrecked it in my opinion...it reminds me of occupy ...so much promise.

MattP

(3,304 posts)
26. Speaking of ego, Cenk is a idiot
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 11:38 AM
Jun 2016

Get a couple of drinks in that one and watch him go off on a airline crew, what a jackass

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
24. Trump is doing so much to to scare the Whack-a-doodle out of Americans, and
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 11:30 AM
Jun 2016

damage his own chances and the Republican brand that Sanders clout is bound to evaporate.

Center-Right Republican voters are fleeing either to Johnson or voting for Clinton. Sanders should bring his own people aboard to balance out any center-right movement into the party.

Just as with the Puma's in 2008, there will be some diehards who will not vote for Clinton even if Sanders became her BFF.

tritsofme

(17,376 posts)
44. No reason to be petty, we may need him someday.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 12:28 PM
Jun 2016

I never supported sanctioning Lieberman in the Senate for far greater transgressions, and Lieberman continuing to caucus with Democrats allowed us to secure a majority in 2007, and pass the Affordable Care Act in 2009.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
46. nah, he can keep his committee assignments, they need his vote
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 12:31 PM
Jun 2016

in the Senate even if he's worthless in the general election vs Trump

Chemisse

(30,809 posts)
52. I disagree.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 12:42 PM
Jun 2016

He should do as he likes, without penalty. But he can't expect to have a lot of impact on the platform if he doesn't get on board right away.

Chemisse

(30,809 posts)
61. Without penalty means not taking him off of committees or penalizing him in some other way.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 03:37 PM
Jun 2016

Whether he has impact on the platform depends more on his timing and level of cooperation. If he doesn't come around he is just going to become irrelevant, and the DNC won't cater to him at that point. That's not a penalty; it's just a consequence.

Chemisse

(30,809 posts)
51. Sanders' leverage peaked about a week ago.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 12:40 PM
Jun 2016

He is rapidly becoming obsolete in the presidential elections.

He needs to act immediately!

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