Mending fences. Flinging stones.

[cali]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by one_voice (a host of the 2016 Postmortem forum).

As far as I can see, the majority of HRC supporters here care more about taunting Sanders supporters than they do about uniting. There are some notable exceptions- auntpurl, Democrat since birth.... I'm sure there are others. And I thank them for being gracious winners. I can't think of too many others. I apologize for leaving out those folks.

Bernie Sanders has lost. He will not run as an independent. And yeah, it looks like Trump doesn't stand a chance. That might be true even without his supporters supporting her. But that's hardly an excuse for what's going on here now in GD-P.

There is no need to for the endless stream of taunting posts in GD-P.

I wrote well over a month ago that Bernie had lost and that I thought he should simply drop out endorse her. But he isn't hurting her. He isn't undermining her or attacking her. I stopped posting negative material about HRC at that time because there would have been no point to it other than pissing off her supporters, and that has never been my focus in opposing her throughout the primary.


I get that a lot of Hillary supporters passionately hate Bernie. I use that word prudently, but when it's obvious, it's impossible to ignore. At the same time, they insist that he's irrelevant. So the only reason to keep posting shit that demonizes and mocks him is to taunt and hurt his supporters as much as possible.

That stinks.

[swhisper1]

1. totally.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

2. He'll become "relevant" again if she loses to Trump.

Then, the usual "blame the left" rule will be invoked.

[JCanete]

23. haha, perfect assessment. nt

[SFnomad]

3. Call the wambulance ... stat!!!

[BootinUp]

6. No shit. Its fucking hilarious. Point out the specifics! On second thought

don't bother this thread will probably get locked anyway.

[cali]

10. As there was no whining, simply a reasoned post, your silly graphic

says far more about you than about my op- except that it provides evidence for it.

[SFnomad]

11. It's one giant whine ....

"As far as I can see, the majority of HRC supporters here care more about taunting Sanders supporters than they do about uniting"

And on the boards, it's OP after OP with BS cheerleaders crapping all over the carpet. I haven't seen so many sour grapes in a long, long time. Must be nice when you walk through life with partisan blinders on.

[lostnfound]

13. Did you put actual money into HRC's race or just rely on corporate backers?

Just curious. All those small donations came from people choosing patriotism over personal spending, not money skimmed from billionaires pocket change.

Hahaha. Idealists are so funny.

[demwing]

30. And the beat goes on...

Thanks for proving the OPs point.

[SFnomad]

31. The OP whines ... "it's all those mean Hillary people" ... all the while feigning blindness to

the BS cheerleaders with all their #BernDownTheHouse OPs and posts. And pointing it out is just another case of proving the "meanie" point.

Do you need a white cane and seeing eye dog as well?

[geek tragedy]

4. but he is undermining her, and the party. he's still saying that the Democratic party she

represents doesn't care about working people, and is just devoted to serving oligarchs.

he's still shitting on anyone and everyone who voted for her over him

http://www.vox.com/2016/6/17/11962476/bernie-sanders-enrage-insiders

I also look forward to working with Secretary Clinton to transform the Democratic Party so that it becomes a party of working people and young people, and not just wealthy campaign contributors: a party that has the courage to take on Wall Street, the pharmaceutical industry, the fossil fuel industry and the other powerful special interests that dominate our political and economic life.

Seriously, he earns a big "eff you" for making that kind of statement after the Paris Climate Accords, Dodd-Frank, the ACA, etc etc.

And for his not too subtle implication that only his supporters and only he care about those things.

he's a passive-aggressive Nader.

[AgingAmerican]

17. He is doing her a favor

[Maru Kitteh]

18. x 1000

I very recently was a defender of Mr. Sanders, now I'm left to wonder what the hell I was thinking.

I'll look after my "tone" when Mr. Sanders looks after his.

I'll worry about coming to his defense again when he is standing with us, not in front of us waving his arms and yelling that the party sucks and he's the only one that can save us. His refusal to be gracious or simply show good sportsmanship in defeat is galling, and therefore he earns no further consideration from me at this point.

[villager]

5. It's telling that most of their fury is unleashed against a candidate to their left...

...rather than to their right.

And that they can't get "unstuck" in that fury.

[HooptieWagon]

28. DWS did call RW Republicans her friends....

...when she endorsed them rather than their progressive Democratic challengers. So most likely it's just a case of sheep following their leadership to the hard right. It fits in with their recent support for neoliberal economics and neoconservative foreign policy, and the elevation of Henry Kissinger and other near-fascist corporatist Rrpublicans to cult status among the Democratic corporatists.

[vintx]

32. +1

[tonyt53]

7. I suppose than when all of those false "Hillary indicted" or "voter fraud" lines stop, so will this.

Few hate Bernie, but many are confused as to why the mentioned nonsense continues. Quoting false polls, quoting how election fraud occurred, quoting how only Bernie can beat Trump non-stop finally wears thin. Thanks goodness, that nonsense has slowed. So has the taunting of Bernie's supporters, but maybe you can't see that. As your hurt subsides, maybe you can come to accept that.

[Locrian]

8. bernie is still relevant

hrc still needs to pick a vp - and w/o any opposition she's sure to pick someone even to the right of her. bernie and supporters are pretty much the only thing trying to drag her kicking and screaming even a tiny bit to the left

[Kelvin Mace]

9. Well,

apparently, the "pragmatic, win at any cost, no matter what you have to do or how long you have to hold your nose" lecture I have been given uncounted time, applies only to people like us, not them.

Good luck with that.

[bvar22]

12. There is another reason to continue the Hippie Punching and insults:

the conservative wing of the Democratic Party has been engaged in dismantling & burying the advances of the New Deal and the Great Society since the Reagan Administration. Election Season or not, the mocking and marginalization of the Progressive Wing of the Party will continue from both the Leaders of the conservative Democrats in Washington and their supporters.

That is one reason I want Bernie and his supporters to go to Philadelphia for the convention.
Hillary did win, but Bernie won enough states and votes to deny a mandate for a continuation of the 30 years of NeoLiberal / Free Trading/ wealth transferring/ pro- Wall Street/ anti-Working Class/ Anti-LABOR Policy to the conservative wing.
Bernie and his supporters may be a minority in the Democratic Party, but it is a STRONG minority that deserves a VOICE and REPRESENTATION in the new administration.


[font color=firebrick][center]"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone [/font][/center] [center] [/font]
[font size=1]photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center][/font]

[CorkySt.Clair]

14. Ahhhnnnnd this is part and parcel of why people can't get along.

Inside baseball fever swamp stuff that belongs in a CT forum.

[Electric Monk]

16. Thanks for helping prove bvar's point for them. Irony is lost on you. nt

[CorkySt.Clair]

19. Posting divisive nonsense in a concilatory OP/thread isn't part of the problem?

I think it's you that may need to check your irony meter, bruv.

[YouDig]

15. What taunting? The only taunting I see is from Bernie or Bust people gleefully predicting Trump's

victory and then the constant email conspiracies.

A lot of Dems right now feel, very justifiably, that Bernie is undermining Hillary and aiding Trump with his refusal to concede and his list of ransom demands. And you can be damn sure that if Hillary had lost by double digits and instead of conceding she threatened to not endorse him unless he decided to drop single payer and free college, Bernie and his supporters would tell her to go to hell. It's got nothing to do with taunting his supporters, it's Bernie right now who is acting supremely egotistically and irresponsibly.

[bobGandolf]

20. Sorry to hear....

... Bernie are still getting grief from Hillary supporters. They are doing as much disservice to Hillary than they preceive Bernie is doing to Hillary.

[Fumesucker]

21. I wonder if there isn't more going on here than we know

Sanders has sources of information not available to the general public or to us. For one thing he has been cultivating the "little people" in DC for decades, the janitors, food servers, maintenance workers and so on.

A famous Yogi once said that you can observe a lot just by watching.

[geek tragedy]

24. kind of like the Whitey Tape of 2008.

Clap, clap, clap for Tinkerbell!

I hear those "Hillary for Prison 2016" t-shirts cost around $27, if you're looking for other ways to spend the money. Patriot Depot is having a sale (you can guess their affiliation, but I'm guessing people are praying for Clinton to go to prison don't have qualms about that sort of thing)

[Fumesucker]

26. Sanders' behavior appears irrational if everything is as it seems on the surface

Clausewitz noted that war is just a continuation of politics by other means and Sun Tzu said that deception is the essence of war so logically deception is the essence of politics.

Appear weak where you are strong and strong where you are weak.

Maybe Bernie is being irrational, that's certainly not out of the question at his age but I'm speculating what if he isn't being irrational.

[geek tragedy]

27. I read his NYDN interview, not terribly worried

about him being rational.

[NurseJackie]

22. ...

He isn't undermining her or attacking her.

Of course he is. His surrogates (both high-profile and relative nobodies) seldom miss an opportunity to cast doubt on whether Hillary has legitimately won. Or they'll say that she "cheated" because exit polling not matching actual voting. He attempts to give the false impression that he "won" states that he really didn't with clever word-play that only includes demographics that are favorable, while excluding all others.

I get that a lot of Hillary supporters passionately hate Bernie. I use that word prudently, but when it's obvious, it's impossible to ignore. At the same time, they insist that he's irrelevant. So the only reason to keep posting shit that demonizes and mocks him is to taunt and hurt his supporters as much as possible.

This careful wording seems as though you believe (or would like the reader to believe) that except for the "notable exceptions" the remainder of Hillary supporters are of a single mind, and that differences of opinion and variations in views is non-existent

Some, not all, think he is irrelevant.
Some, not all, "passionately hate" him.
Some, not all, think he should concede now.
Some, not all, don't care if he ever does.

You imagine inconsistencies and assume the worst but there are actually more reasons to "keep posting shit" than you're allowing yourself to consider. You act as if every post that's critical of Bernie just comes out of nowhere, and that it just miraculously materializes in a vacuum ... as if nothing else is going on, as if they're all original posts (not replies) ... and as if Bernie's camp has been---and continues to be---darling little angels.

Both your premise and your conclusion are flawed.

So... I must ask: Where did you find that horse you're on? Wow! He's awfully tall! That's an impressive animal! I don't think I've ever seen such a high horse.

[Tarc]

25. I'm not sure here. He does still remain a candidate for the nomination, according to Weaver

I have nothing against Bernie personally, though I do feel he is doing himself and his platform a disservice by staying in it til the bitter, last end.

I have a lot of things against people who still post video montages of Hillary laughing, breathless Emailgate updates, and the like.

[cali]

29. Look, I wish he'd just drop out and endorse her, but at this point

he really isn't doing her any harm. And Weaver made it clear that the Sanders campaign isn't chasing SD votes.

In any case, my point is that it's not that hard to just stop attacking him and his supporters. As far as I can see, you've done that. I condemn Bernie supporters here who post petty crap about her. But let's be clear, there are far more Hillary supporters posting really ugly crap about Bernie and his supporters than there are Bernie supporters doing the same about Hillary. as I've said repeatedly, it's more understandable that those on the losing side display bitterness than those on the winning side.

Personally, I'm not hurt by the crap- much of it really dishonest- that's being posted; I always expected HRC to be the nominee, and never for even a fleeting moment thought Bernie would be. But many people really were that invested.

And, yes, you are one of the people that I think is being gracious about it. But I think telling your fellow HRC supporters that there are ways to celebrate without denigrating and demonizing Bernie and his supporters, would be a good thing to do.

[one_voice]

33. Locking...

Disruptive meta is not allowed.