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realmirage

(2,117 posts)
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 04:51 PM Jun 2016

Democrats fighting over legitimate differences. Here you go

What a Trump Supreme Court that will reign for decades will decide: climate change (Supreme Court recently blocked Obama on this), immigration, gerrymandering, LGBT rights, gun background checks, voter ID/voting rights, abortion (closing all clinics as Texas is on its way to doing), medical marijuana, and this is just the beginning.

Unity? Who needs it?

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Democrats fighting over legitimate differences. Here you go (Original Post) realmirage Jun 2016 OP
Trump Supreme Court. oasis Jun 2016 #1
Scary that people don't get the importance realmirage Jun 2016 #8
Nothing about the current SCOTUS? seabeckind Jun 2016 #2
Nary a peep out of our Democratic Senators"????? You been asleep for a while? tonyt53 Jun 2016 #3
No, I guess I expected something in the news. seabeckind Jun 2016 #5
They talk about it all the time. You think because you didn't see it on the news, it didn't happen? TwilightZone Jun 2016 #17
Tree falling in the forest. seabeckind Jun 2016 #18
Your senator from CT doing his job? seabeckind Jun 2016 #6
What leverage are you referring to realmirage Jun 2016 #9
You (the op) is saying fear trump cause of SCOTUS seabeckind Jun 2016 #12
I will NOT be boogey-manned into working to defeat trump!!!! 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #4
Supreme Court realmirage Jun 2016 #7
I think you missed the sarcasm. n/t BzaDem Jun 2016 #14
As the other poster noted ... I was being sarcastic ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #19
And those things you listed realmirage Jun 2016 #10
We aren't getting those goals today. seabeckind Jun 2016 #13
I should have posted the ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #20
Actually, the potential is MUCH worse. Hortensis Jun 2016 #11
"Basically, Calvinism is known by an acronym: T.U.L.I.P." teamster633 Jun 2016 #15
Who could argue with that? Hortensis Jun 2016 #21
As you noted, that's just the beginning. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #16
The Trump card has been played too many times. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #22

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
2. Nothing about the current SCOTUS?
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 04:59 PM
Jun 2016

Hasn't a name been presented?

How about all the other court vacancies?

Nary a peep out of our "democratic" senators.

Filibuster a meaningless posturing stunt, pretend it accomplished something, and then head off for the weekend.

Meanwhile... we wait until after the election to raise the issue.

So the republicans won again. Didn't even have to go into the ring. Not answer to one pundit or media outlet. Hel, not even bring it up.

Explain to me all this leverage that will happen after the election?

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
3. Nary a peep out of our Democratic Senators"????? You been asleep for a while?
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 05:05 PM
Jun 2016

I just doesn't make big news about their continued outrage. To make light of what the Senator from CT did shows complete disregard for our constitutional process. The majority leader calls for votes and decides when they happen. Did Bernie not explain the legislative process as outlined by our constitution to you? Oh, I get it, Bernie has you thinking that a president can do al of that stuff all by themselves without the help

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
5. No, I guess I expected something in the news.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 05:31 PM
Jun 2016

Hel, we got a regular briefing dam near every morning but nobody says it was brought up.

I can only assume if nobody says anything like: The gop were assholes again today. We've got a gazillion judges waiting to go to work and they're off playing golf.

But....

crickets.

Outrage only counts if it's audible.

TwilightZone

(25,426 posts)
17. They talk about it all the time. You think because you didn't see it on the news, it didn't happen?
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 05:11 PM
Jun 2016

Here are just the major statements in just the last six weeks. Half of them are from the past two weeks. Enjoy.

http://www.judgingtheenvironment.org/senators/?issue=&nominee=&senator=&senator_party=democrat&senators_state=

All of the statements, including those by the GOP blocking nominations:

http://www.judgingtheenvironment.org/senators/

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
6. Your senator from CT doing his job?
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 05:33 PM
Jun 2016

That's supposed to be news?

Why didn't he do this job years ago?

Here's another one for you:

Afghanistan -- 15 years and counting.

Oh hel, never mind.

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
12. You (the op) is saying fear trump cause of SCOTUS
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 04:25 PM
Jun 2016

Yet our democrats in the senate don't seem to be particularly interested in doing the people's business today.

Lack of action is an action.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
4. I will NOT be boogey-manned into working to defeat trump!!!!
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 05:09 PM
Jun 2016

I will stand on my principles: $15/hr as opposed to $12/hr as opposed to the guy that says he would eliminate the minimum wage ...

I will stand on my principles: restore G-S as opposed to comprehensive financial reform plan minus restoration as opposed to the guy that says he would eliminate financial regulation ...

I will stand on my principles: Free College as opposed to Debt-free College as opposed to trump University ...

I can go on; but, I suspect most get the point.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
19. As the other poster noted ... I was being sarcastic ...
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 06:54 PM
Jun 2016

It seems clear from this thread, "standing on principle" is cool because when the real life consequences occur, some will read about it and get outraged ... again ... once they figure out how it affects their pocket.

 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
10. And those things you listed
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 03:52 PM
Jun 2016

Trump will make sure you get the opposite of all your goals. You are thinking about this whole thing clearly. You are only thinking about your anger that your first choice didn't win.

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
13. We aren't getting those goals today.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 04:36 PM
Jun 2016

So we should fear trump because we won't get them tomorrow?

BTW, I am amazed that you are so adept at figuring out other people's motives. Awesome.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. Actually, the potential is MUCH worse.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 04:17 PM
Jun 2016

The argument over whether "all men are equal," appropriate distribution of wealth, and whether ours should be a government "of, by, and for the people" are as old as our republic but very new at that point. Before the enlightenment in most times and societies that some were born to rule and others to serve was unquestioned.

That belief is so deeply engrained in Christianity and almost all the oldest and most engrained belief systems, as well as arising from conservative personality itself, that it should not be a surprise that probably half of all Americans feel inequality and inability of "the people" to govern are inevitable, right and natural in their "bellies," as W put it.

Why? Sociologists have identified "belief in a just world" as a basic characteristic of conservatives: A world where the patterns of both human nature and God reward superior behaviors and punish inferior behaviors. In their guts, conservatives tend to believe that this natural encouragement of good behavior and sorting out of peoples is endangered by government interventions to help large groups who are not doing well. Modern societal "safety nets" thus created anxiety and eventually strong rejection of government programs -- a reaction that was cleverly fostered by extremely wealthy families who either felt the same way or just felt an unregulated society without collective bargaining and almost no taxes would be very good for them.

A long way of saying that the strong conservatives ascendant on the right have every intention of "reinterpreting" our constitution to make most of the government actions undertaken during the 20th century, including labor laws and regulation of business (which discourage "good" behaviors), unconstitutional.

America as we have always known it and what it is to be an American citizen are at stake.

teamster633

(2,029 posts)
15. "Basically, Calvinism is known by an acronym: T.U.L.I.P."
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 04:54 PM
Jun 2016
Total Depravity (also known as Total Inability and Original Sin)
Unconditional Election
Limited Atonement (also known as Particular Atonement)
Irresistible Grace
Perseverance of the Saints (also known as Once Saved Always Saved)


Thus, according to a substantial number of our fellow citizens, Trump is a shining beacon of God's favor. His wealth and privilege are visible signs of his "holiness" among men.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
21. Who could argue with that?
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 06:38 AM
Jun 2016
I live in the South, where evangelicalism pretty much rules, and it was interesting to learn (from my aunt, who is a very religious Lutheran) that these calvinistic principles were incorporated in differing evolutions by most Christian sects, including the Southern Baptist Convention.

The just-world way of interpretation plays a huge role in politics because it arises from human nature itself, a simplistic way of rationalizing a dangerous world that was incorporated into religious doctrine.

"The just-world phenomenon is a term referring to people's tendency to believe that the world is just and that people get what they deserve. Because people want to believe that the world is fair, they will look for ways to explain or rationalize away injustice - often by blaming the victim."

Btw, I've just gotten a summons for jury duty. I didn't dread it back in California, but here in very conservative Georgia kangaroo courts are alive and well. And that's why. The laws of God and nature transcend the foolish and inadequate laws of man.

TwilightZone

(25,426 posts)
16. As you noted, that's just the beginning.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 05:01 PM
Jun 2016

The ramifications of this election and the next couple are monumental. 2020 is the next redistricting year, and we *must* be in position to make significant changes if we're going to accomplish long-term goals.

That's means a Democrat in the WH in 2016 and gains in the Senate (preferably a swing) and House in 2016, further gains in 2018 (get out the damn vote!), and again in 2020.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
22. The Trump card has been played too many times.
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 06:45 AM
Jun 2016

If you really cared about this, you'd have supported Bernie all along. He'd bury Trump in a lindlside, as opposed to the current presumptive nominee, who polls rather badly in hypothetic match-ups. Stop scare-mongering, start taking Sanders' supporters (and their concerns) seriously.

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