Nonsupporters of the Democratic Nominee should NOT get Speaking Time at the Convention

[bravenak]

Nonsupporters of the Democratic Nominee Should Get NO Speaking Time at the Convention. None. Not one second of time. Maybe they should skip it.

Stump speeches were meant to be given during the primary fight. It makes no sense to allow the opponents of the Nominee, the ones who are still campaigning, to be given time at the convention to continue the primary fight.
Now, once they concede and give up the idea of causing a big ruckus, then they should be given a Prime Time Spot to discuss the issues they support. As long as they do it in a way that is supportive of the Democratic Candidate for President of the United States.
I would not appreciate having disruptors at the convention trying to soil the nominee or tear the party down by using prime time speaking spots to lash out at us and our process.

So, in short, it is my OPINION that anybody who refuses to concede or refuses to support the candidacy of Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump, should not get any airtime and possibly should not even be allowed to attend. It is her party, no disruptors should get admittance.

#noraisingaruckusathillarysparty

[bkkyosemite]

1. ...The nominee is voted on in July at the Convention..in case you do not know.

[RandySF]

2. Then let's have the roll call first morning of the convention.

[brooklynite]

83. Let's not bother...DNC will let Clinton decide who speaks and who doesn't

...unless Bernie wants to complain again.

[reformist2]

84. Good. Then the convention can be over in 1 hour, and everyone can go home. It's just a huge PR stunt

[think]

3. 1972 Democratic convention

1972 Democratic Convention

~Snip~

Feminism[edit]

The Feminist Movement was a major influence on the Democratic platform of 1972, and on the entire convention in general. With renewed vigor, the Democrats reaffirmed their dedication to the Equal Rights Amendment, as did the Republicans.

There were disagreements within the Democrats of the National Women's Political Caucus (NWPC), and the Women's Movement in general, over how to best approach certain issues. At the convention Betty Friedan clashed with Gloria Steinem over the way NWPC women should approach certain issues, and whether or not they should make sure to throw all possible support behind Shirley Chisholm (both women were supporters of Chisholm's presidential campaign).

~Snip~

McGovern ultimately excised the abortion issue from the party's platform; recent publications show McGovern was deeply conflicted on the issue.[6] Actress and activist Shirley MacLaine, though privately supporting abortion rights, urged the delegates to vote against the plank. Gloria Steinem later wrote this description of the events:

“ The consensus of the meeting of women delegates held by the caucus had been to fight for the minority plank on reproductive freedom; indeed our vote had supported the plank nine to one. So fight we did, with three women delegates speaking eloquently in its favor as a constitutional right. One male Right-to-Life zealot spoke against, and Shirley MacLaine also was an opposition speaker, on the grounds that this was a fundamental right but didn't belong in the platform. We made a good showing. Clearly we would have won if McGovern's forces had left their delegates uninstructed and thus able to vote their consciences.[7]

Read more:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_Democratic_National_Convention#Platform

[bravenak]

6. This is not 1972

[think]

7. Well no shit.It's 2016. And America is still the only wealthy country without universal healthcare.

[nc4bo]

51. +1000 nt

[DisgustipatedinCA]

4. Want to play it that way? ok.

[Fumesucker]

5. Hard to disagree with that...

[bravenak]

16. He can come if he behaves

[onehandle]

8. Donald Trump is a Nonsupporter of the Democratic Nominee.

Bravenak, can you believe that those in the same company as Donald Trump think they deserve microphone time?

[bravenak]

13. It is very presumptuous

[SFnomad]

9. Back in 2008, Senator Clinton handled her exit from the race with class ...

and she got a second night principal speaker slot at the Democratic National Convention because of it.

If Sanders doesn't want to play ball, he'll be an afterthought at the convention.

[bravenak]

14. He might just not get anymore attention before the convention

[AgingAmerican]

49. The Democratic party seeks Revenge against Sanders at it's own peril

[MaeScott]

57. They are too smug right now to hear you, AA. It will take the mass exodus of

All the disaffected Dems regarding this rigged primary to get it in their heads. And it's coming. Even Stevie Wonder can see it coming.

[Squinch]

69. So tired of these ridiculous threats..... "It's coming!" No. Really. It isn't.

[HERVEPA]

10. Broken frigging record

[bravenak]

15. He sure is

Millionaires, billionaires, oligarchs!!

[gordianot]

11. You should have seen the 1968 Democratic Convention.

Actually it was a police riot Mayor Daley represented everything an entire generation thought they opposed until they became the machine themselves. Ending up with Nixon, politicians and Civil Rights leaders getting killed, George Wallace, Vietnam. I do not think to this day that generation including the Clinton's have recovered. In the end Nixon became apolitical or so he claimed, he was still a crook. He would qualify as an almost Progressive Democrat today.

The ghost of Richard Daley still haunts the Democratic Party. 1968 and now 2016 may be a wild ride.

[bravenak]

12. That is why I hope they stay home

[gordianot]

17. Daley said the exact same thing!

[bravenak]

18. That's cool. I was not born then but I read about it

We will do better this time in preventing disruptions.

[gordianot]

23. It depends on what is being disrupted.

In my day disrupters got their heads busted by goons in uniforms. Innocent by standers were shot by week end warriors. People today do not have the guts to protest even when their kids are getting killed in contrived wars or their retirement is being robbed.

The Daley machine would have approved. His life would have been much easier today with passivity. I also remember who got deferments and how they were bought. Even going to Canada was not an option if you were poor or did not have the Privilege.

Good luck happy times are here again.

[bravenak]

24. This time we can just not let them in

They are protesting democracy, not a war

[gordianot]

29. I recall a lot of talk about Democracy.

Unfortunately we are not a Democracy but a Republic. What old priveleged men do you think start these wars?

[bravenak]

33. Same privileged old men that vote to fund those wars

[gordianot]

61. The current wars owned by Republicans and Democrats were not funded.

Paid for by labor from Communist countries which became debt. It was just fine bankrupting the American economy in order to fund wars.
What I see are people deluded enough to actually think they have not been manipulated. The same attitudes that busted heads and gassed people in Ferguson is ready for a police riot at the Democratic Convention. Richard Daley lives and your lives do not matter.

The solution to subsequent Democratic Conventions from 1968 was to be more inclusive and not bust heads. For example Jessie Jackson did not get his head busted even though he lost. Ted Kennedy got to speak at the convention after challenging a sitting President.

The problem here are people willing to ignore history. To me all of this sounds like Richard Daley and his police riot. Keep stifling dissent Daley would approve. Democratic Party Conventions have always been chaotic. It was the Republican Conventions that usually kept to a unified party line. Anyone who thinks Political Party Conventions in any era of history are fair driven by primary votes suffer from immature delusion. Call the roll call of delegates that is the real vote at the convention. Keep doing that until you get a winner. Let any protestors get it out of their system. Remember they will be back and the government does NOT regulate your political party.

The rotting ghost of Richard Daley is getting a huge laugh at the return of Democratic machine politics.

[hobbit709]

62. +1000

If we really learned the lessons of history, we wouldn't have history. History is a record of the same stupid mistakes made over and over.

[gordianot]

64. For some history is a mystery.

[brooklynite]

19. This is not 1968 and 1972

We know who the nominee will be. The nominee will be allowed to make decision on who does and does not speak.

[bravenak]

20. Thank you! I agree

[think]

21. There are no pressing issues Democrats disagree on? Conventions are not the place for these

issues to be discussed?

[brooklynite]

22. No...not anymore. The place to discuss them is called...a Primary.

Every since the 1970s, all Democrats who WANT to participate have the right to vote for the nominee. The Democrats have considered the choices and picked Hillary Clinton.

[gordianot]

26. I think you need to review the various primary rules.

When they occurred, how caucus system works and Democratic Superdelegates. Voting is not a task well conducted in 21st century America. The conduct of political party's is not addressed in the Constitution on purpose.

Your statement is not accurate or true. By the way I have been to numerous State Democratic Conventions.

[think]

27. So the convention NOW is all for show. Just one big facade. Got it....

[KingFlorez]

30. It's not for Sanders to get on stage and attack the presumptive nominee

The convention is supposed to be show of unity, not division. If this was a race with several people and no one had a majority of pledged delegates, then it would be a different story, but that is not the case here.

[Kentonio]

65. It's not a 'show of unity' ffs

It's where the party is supposed to settle its differences ready to BE unified ready to fight the Republicans.

[Fla Dem]

79. I don't believe any candidate gets to speak before the floor vote.

Lots of speakers, maybe even a Bernie supporter or two, but the candidates themselve doesn't get to speak, no last stump speech. Then once the party's nominee is chosen, no one else gets the stage. It's the party's nominee time to shine. So if Bernie doesn't concede before the convention, then no Bernie speech.

[babylonsister]

25. Baloney. I am a Dem and I want to hear everyone. nt

[Cha]

28. Well ye-ah! Remember the 2012 & the 2008 DNConventions? they were a brilliant

mix of our Democratic Party coming together for our Candidate Barack Obama.. who btw has been a successful and popular President @ 53%!

Our Democratic Party is the Party of Senator Chris Murphy who Filibustered to get a vote on banning Assault Rifles.. there better not be anyone @ our Convention.. dissing that party.. someone who couldn't even bother to show up for the historic Filibuster.

Chris Murphy
✔ ?@ChrisMurphyCT
I am proud to announce that after 14+ hours on the floor, we will have a vote on closing the terror gap & universal background checks
7:53 PM - 15 Jun 2016
22,894 22,894 Retweets 38,577 38,577 likes

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107167306

Thank you, bravenak~

[bravenak]

32. I remember!!! Watched both of them!

[Cha]

46. And, then State Senator Obama @ the 2004 DNC when Our Revolution started.. and still going

on!

[azurnoir]

50. umm the 'revolution' within the Democratic party started in 1985 when the 3rd way was born

and the party has indeed stayed the course

[WayBeyondBlue]

31. Talk like this

begs for a split party. Or a 2020 primary challenge. Who wants to be a member of the STFU Party anyway? Good luck with that.

[alittlelark]

34. There should be no negative speakers at the convention.

Negative people have nothing of value to say. They bring down everyone around them - hoping to have them sink to their level. They suck the life out of those around them and create strife and ugliness. They feed on it. It is a sad and hopeless place that they call home.

I hope there are no negative speakers at the convention. I want to see positivity , hope, and the possibility of changing the destructive path this country is on.

[BootinUp]

36. +1

[bravenak]

37. I guess you will not be in attendence?

[alittlelark]

39. Certainly not. I have farm - I tend to be busy.

There are many others that will - and I hope they are not nasty negative people. I hope they are capable of seeing the big picture and creating positive change. Nasty negative people have no place there, or anywhere that people come together to discuss helpful change - they will only cast a shroud of oppressiveness and despair.

[SidDithers]

41. 0-7 Leave on the alert...

On Sat Jun 18, 2016, 12:45 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

I guess you will not be in attendence?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2200783

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Personal attack, the poster was expressing an opinion about positive people.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Jun 18, 2016, 12:51 AM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: TBH I'm not a fan of bravenak, but this is some pretty naked alert stalking. It was posted four minutes ago!
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Nope
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Hide the thread or the poster if you don't like it. This is not ban worthy, imho
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Stop alert stalking Bravenak.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Where's the attack?

Second jury I've been on for you tonight. You've got a target on your back.

Sid

[bravenak]

42. I better be good

[sheshe2]

47. I have been on one, Sid.

I hope you alerted on the alerter. This is ridiculous. She is being stalked all over this board. As are others.

[BootinUp]

35. Seems like a very sensible policy. Work out the issues ahead of time.

The convention is a chance to show the country our party has its act together.

[bravenak]

38. I want things to run smooth

Let the republicans do the drama

[sheshe2]

48. Agreed 100%.

The GOP can do the drama. We need unity to defeat them, and defeat them we will.

Thanks for the great Op, bravenak.

BTW. Silly hide.

[bravenak]

53. Yep

Donald Trump must be defeated

[MrScorpio]

40. It's definitely the time to come together and back our nominee.

This will be the Democratic Party convention...

[bravenak]

44. Agreed

[ThinkCritically]

43. Interesting you say that since we don't have an official nominee.

You are really trying to make people hate you huh? Sad sad way to act if you ask me. I don't know how people get through life being so nasty to others.

[bravenak]

45. Hillary will be running the convention as the nominee

[Night Watchman]

52. Damn Straight!

Rec

[bravenak]

54. Hope the DNC is paying attention and aware of plans to disrupt

I want the Republican convention to be the crazy one

[frustrated_lefty]

55. True,

You idiots deserve your own echo room.

#stupid_people_matter_too

[Eric J in MN]

56. I agree.

If HRC gives an inch on a policy issue, then Sanders will probably endorse her.

But if the situation on July 25 is that she hasn't given an inch and he refuses to endorse her, then he shouldn't speak at the convention.

[leeroysphitz]

58. Too bad you have no say in the matter. Bernie will speak. n/t

[B Calm]

59. Bwahaha... Tell that to the millions of voters who voted for Bernie

that he has no right to speak at the convention. Or better yet, tell that to the thousands of protestors outside the convention that Bernie will not be allowed to speak. Your right-wing authoritarian attitude will not be tolerated.

[hobbit709]

60. No dissent will be tolerated.

One must never speak out.
One must cower in fear.
One must toe the party line.

And it was, "Hey you, keep your head down
Don't you look around, please don't make a sound
If they should find you now
The man will shoot you down"

[TheBlackAdder]

66. Another OP without much critical thought applied. I'll stand in line at Wal*Mart for better info.

[DrDan]

67. that should go without saying

[Squinch]

68. Obvious point that seems difficult for some...

[sinkingfeeling]

70. Totally disagree. There is no nominee until the convention

decides one.

[sinkingfeeling]

71. Totally disagree. There is no nominee until the convention

decides one.

[brooklynite]

75. Since there is no nominee, who decides what the speaking program is?

[lanlady]

72. I agree, bravenak

Since joining the Democratic Party one year ago, he has devoted Side B of his broken record (Side A being Billionaires, Millionaires, Oligarchy) to attacking the party and its rules when those same rules began to disadvantage him. Since stating at the White House a couple of weeks ago that he was going to do everything in his power to defeat Trump, he has, contrary to those words, publicly nursed grudges against our presumptive nominee, insinuated that he wants to disrupt the convention in some way, and kept his supporters still in thrall to his Fairy-Land thinking about a path to victory by not conceding.

Sanders cannot be trusted.

[Fla Dem]

73. Unless he concedes before the floor vote, Bernie will not get to speak.

Candidates still in the running for the nomination are not given an opportunity to speak at the convention prior to the delegate vote. Then once the vote is taken and the party's nominee is determined, losing candidates are not given any time to make a concession speech, there's no point, they've lost. At that point it's all about the party's nominee. So Bernie will have to concede before the convention if he wants a speaking spot.

[JoePhilly]

74. Makes sense.

[stonecutter357]

76. K&R!

[tk2kewl]

77. I will most certainly be part of the raising of ruckuses in Philly

and it's not Hillary's Party... it's the Democratic Party

[Uponthegears]

78. Don't you ever get tired?

I love your posts because I love watching both sides run around with their hair on fire until they finally jump off the hyper-partisan bridge.

But

at the end of the day, this will be a convention just like every other convention and we will show America the breadth of the definition of Democrat. There will be only one "party" . . . the Democratic Party.

Vote Blue, from President to dog catcher.

[ms liberty]

80. Always the negative...

I don't think I have ever seen you post an OP or a comment that was from a purely positive perspective. Quite sad, really.

[Gothmog]

81. No speech for Sanders unless he concedes

Last edited Sun Jun 19, 2016, 07:43 PM - Edit history (1)

[bravenak]

82. Exactly

[Gothmog]

85. I updated my post

[bravenak]

86. All of his demands are self serving, they would hurt the party

Not sure if that is his plan, but it is what would happen

[Orsino]

87. Childish revenge fantasies do not become us. n/t