2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumVladimir Putin Has Everything He Needs to Blackmail Hillary Clinton
RUMINT (Rumor Intelligence) is rife with reports that Russian intelligence agencies are preparing to release emails hacked from Hillary Clintons rogue Internet email server.
Agreed, this sounds a bit like a blackmail plot in a 1940s radio detective thriller or a soap opera. Except it isnt. We live in a world where blood gets spilled.
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Russian blackmail classifies as a potential threat, and another reason I believe a full and complete investigation of Hillary Clintons national security crime requires a special prosecutor. By the way, on June 14 U.S. District Court Judge Emmet Sullivan referred to the FBI investigation as a criminal investigation, confirming what White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said June 9. The executive and judicial branches are now in agreement.
So. Will Vlad blackmail Hillary? Or, When Will Vlad blackmail Hillary? Sure, its speculation. Its a scenario. Its like a radio-era detective serial.
Stay tuned for the next episode.
http://observer.com/2016/06/vladimir-putin-has-everything-he-needs-to-blackmail-hillary-clinton/
brooklynite
(94,520 posts)vintx
(1,748 posts)But feel free to keep on wishing.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)"The privacy interests at stake are high because the government's criminal investigation through which Mr. Pagliano received limited immunity is ongoing and confidential," U.S. District Court Judge Emmet Sullivan wrote in an order issued Tuesday.
In the order, Sullivan declined to make Pagliano's immunity agreement public. The judge ordered the deal be submitted to the court so he could assess Pagliano's plan to assert his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination during a planned deposition of Pagliano in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit related to Clinton's emails.
"In the Court's opinion, the need for public access to Mr. Pagliano's agreement with the government is minimal. Mr. Pagliano's immunity agreement has not previously been disclosed. Mr. Pagliano and the government object to disclosure of the immunity agreement" Sullivan wrote. "Mr. Pagliano's immunity agreement with the government was filed with the Court by Mr. Pagliano solely to enable the Court to assess the legitimacy of his intent to assert his Fifth Amendment rights in this civil proceeding."
Clinton's presidential campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the development.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/hillary-clinton-judge-investigation-224314#ixzz4ByrRvim5
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)At least, that's what some of the most extreme of the Clinton zealots seem to anticipate, beginning next week.
My personal guess is that some of these Tick Tockers will be dismayed to see how much reality the admins allow to leak into the bubble.
840high
(17,196 posts)Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)And spamming articles from right-wing outlets like this one to smear Hillary will be against those rules. As will, I believe, falsely claiming that she's under criminal investigation.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)You don't get to decide your own facts, that's not how this works.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)The FBI has never said anything of the sort.
randome
(34,845 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Cayenne
(480 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Cayenne
(480 posts)but it seems things will devolve before even then.
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vintx
(1,748 posts)Meanwhile, her being indicted or not is nothing to me. It's the effect it would have on this party/the upcoming election that matters. And the possibility that Russia could be able to use shit they found to try to influence anything isn't particularly heartwarming.
My greatest disappointment, as far as this primary goes, is seeing so many dems - on this site in particular - so eagerly embracing the same triangulating bullshit that nearly all of us derided for years.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Afterall, he did honeymoon there years ago. Sounds like a plan.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)unblock
(52,208 posts)it no longer even matters if any of them are partially or even 100% true.
their enemies have thrown so much clearly false crap their way over the last quarter century that any scandal now reeks of yet more manufactured political tripe.
moreover, every president surely gets blackmailed and/or extorted, especially now that photoshop exists.
clinton is in a better position than most to say "screw you, i know how to handle a scandal, i'll take my chances".
now just imagine how trump would react to a blackmail threat, lol! mr. brand management thin skin would do anything to stop bad press! he's already settled many lawsuits to keep people quiet!
840high
(17,196 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,320 posts)Sancho
(9,067 posts)And what about Trumps wife who is a Russian spy?
Looks like the US Government is doomed!!
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)And seemingly a lot of people who qualify for jury service have decided that until the 20th they'll just vote to leave everything alone.
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)has made up. We know that Hillary used a server without permission. What's left? At this point, the Clintons are basically blackmail proof. After everyone has read about your husband's blowjob in the breakroom off the Oval office, accused of rape, accused of murder, there's nothing Putin can say to top that. What's he going to say? You sent a classified email to your assistant. Did too. Did too.
WhiteTara
(29,705 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)but they both love The Observer, owned by Donald Trump's son-in-law.
Sid
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)I keep forgetting the link with Kushner. Probably because I just try to ignore stuff like this (with varying levels of success).
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)radical noodle
(8,000 posts)The Observer again.
trumad
(41,692 posts)peace13
(11,076 posts)RandySF
(58,799 posts)JohnnyRingo
(18,628 posts)Money? Would she have to put a red star on our flag? Blackmail means he's seeking profit to keep quiet.
Maybe some think we'll all be speaking Russian by next year if Clinton is elected. That's a new campaign tactic, isn't it?
If Putin wants Trump in the White House I'd talk it up.
riversedge
(70,204 posts)Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Oh, it's from the outlet owned by Trump's son-in-law. So unintentional satire.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Trump is a Putin apologist. Putin makes Trump Hard!!! hard!
Funny about Trump's apologists! They love them racists!
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)They've been at it since J Edgar Hoover discovered tape recording. Ask Frank Chuch.
Frank Church was a patriot, a hero and a statesman, truly a great American.
The guy also led the last real investigation of CIA, NSA and FBI. When it came to NSA Tech circa 1975, he definitely knew what he was talking about:
I dont want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capability that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.
-- Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) FDR New Deal, Liberal, Progressive, World War II combat veteran. A brave man, the NSA was turned on him. Coincidentally, of course, he narrowly lost re-election a few years later.
And what happened to Church, for his trouble to preserve Democracy:
SOURCE: http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=frank_church_1
From GWU's National Security Archives:
"Disreputable if Not Outright Illegal": The National Security Agency versus Martin Luther King, Muhammad Ali, Art Buchwald, Frank Church, et al.
Newly Declassified History Divulges Names of Prominent Americans Targeted by NSA during Vietnam Era
Declassification Decision by Interagency Panel Releases New Information on the Berlin Crisis, the Cuban Missile Crisis, and the Panama Canal Negotiations
National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 441
Posted September 25, 2013
Originally Posted - November 14, 2008
Edited by Matthew M. Aid and William Burr
Washington, D.C., September 25, 2013 During the height of the Vietnam War protest movements in the late 1960s and early 1970s, the National Security Agency tapped the overseas communications of selected prominent Americans, most of whom were critics of the war, according to a recently declassified NSA history. For years those names on the NSA's watch list were secret, but thanks to the decision of an interagency panel, in response to an appeal by the National Security Archive, the NSA has released them for the first time. The names of the NSA's targets are eye-popping. Civil rights leaders Dr. Martin Luther King and Whitney Young were on the watch list, as were the boxer Muhammad Ali, New York Times journalist Tom Wicker, and veteran Washington Post humor columnist Art Buchwald. Also startling is that the NSA was tasked with monitoring the overseas telephone calls and cable traffic of two prominent members of Congress, Senators Frank Church (D-Idaho) and Howard Baker (R-Tennessee).
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Another NSA target was Senator Frank Church, who started out as a moderate Vietnam War critic. A member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee even before the Tonkin Gulf incident, Church worried about U.S. intervention in a "political war" that was militarily unwinnable. While Church voted for the Tonkin Gulf resolution, he later saw his vote as a grave error. In 1965, as Lyndon Johnson made decisions to escalate the war, Church argued that the United States was doing "too much," criticisms that one White House official said were "irresponsible." Church had been one of Johnson's Senate allies but the President was angry with Church and other Senate critics and later suggested that they were under Moscow's influence because of their meetings with Soviet diplomats. In the fall of 1967, Johnson declared that "the major threat we have is from the doves" and ordered FBI security checks on "individuals who wrote letters and telegrams critical of a speech he had recently delivered." In that political climate, it is not surprising that some government officials eventually nominated Church for the watch list.[10]
SOURCE: http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB441/
I wonder if Sen. Richard Schweiker (R-PA) also got the treatment from NSA?
I think that the report, to those who have studied it closely, has collapsed like a house of cards, and I think the people who read it in the long run future will see that. I frankly believe that we have shown that the [investigation of the] John F. Kennedy assassination was snuffed out before it even began, and that the fatal mistake the Warren Commission made was not to use its own investigators, but instead to rely on the CIA and FBI personnel, which played directly into the hands of senior intelligence officials who directed the cover-up. Senator Richard Schweiker on Face the Nation in 1976.
Lost to History NOT