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This is what we have to look forward to? (Original Post) pinebox Jun 2016 OP
ONE MORE DAY still_one Jun 2016 #1
Imagine how many friends you'll influence... MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #76
I won't be going to sites that call Hillary the "c" word or if there was "cosmic justice still_one Jun 2016 #84
I wouldn't either... MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #112
jpr is full of that nonsense. You and I may disagree, but at least you focus on issues, without still_one Jun 2016 #138
I am registered there... MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #140
I understand. You focus on issues or critical stands in regard to Hillary. You don't engage in still_one Jun 2016 #141
There's really only one thing they want, MMM. senz Jun 2016 #110
Man.... MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #113
This ^^ Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #126
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #2
Did they support welfare reform too? pinebox Jun 2016 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #18
Who voted? pinebox Jun 2016 #27
My position on needing MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #65
LOOK EVERYONE HILLARY DOESN'T NEED US! pinebox Jun 2016 #97
She will be the President of America, not just to a group of MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #106
The only paper revolution is that which is written in wall street speeches pinebox Jun 2016 #111
Why yes I do know she will win without MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #114
And of course it goes both ways. senz Jun 2016 #108
Well that's good - cause she ain't gonna get me! choie Jun 2016 #135
Just win the nomination and you are validated! yallerdawg Jun 2016 #82
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #118
which poor are you speaking of? please back that one with facts you know income breakdown azurnoir Jun 2016 #91
See this rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #123
This explains the poor that vote for Republicans as well. Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #127
How about a real source... choie Jun 2016 #136
lol your actually quoting Spam Dan? Word has it he's been banned from DU multiple times azurnoir Jun 2016 #137
But if the voter does not understand what is happening....... pangaia Jun 2016 #102
That means Hillary supporters voted for FASCISM in HONDURAS. John Poet Jun 2016 #115
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #124
Yep, same thing on the republican side. Voting against their own interest. insta8er Jun 2016 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #16
There's a difference between stupid and lack of access to information Armstead Jun 2016 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #29
The Salt of the Earth like Clinton and the Bushes and Trump? Armstead Jun 2016 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #32
Bernie grew up in such palatial surroundings and is now so wealthy... Armstead Jun 2016 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #40
I was addressing your specific point Armstead Jun 2016 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #58
What do you think of people who vote for Trump and otehr Republicans? Armstead Jun 2016 #75
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #92
he/she is Willfully ignorant, many here choose that path swhisper1 Jun 2016 #69
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #93
What? Ummmmm pinebox Jun 2016 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #35
That's an exception pinebox Jun 2016 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #39
Well some are pinebox Jun 2016 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #42
100% agreed pinebox Jun 2016 #43
I am poor. I am progressive. I do not support her and never will. CBGLuthier Jun 2016 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #21
Me too and a traitorous woman to boot swhisper1 Jun 2016 #70
Well, good luck with that. Adrahil Jun 2016 #100
Yes, authentic progressives care about poverty. Always have. senz Jun 2016 #109
"Bashing or trashing during election season... SidDithers Jun 2016 #3
1 day until... grossproffit Jun 2016 #4
One day until.......... pinebox Jun 2016 #9
You look foolish posting that OP. Hillary has an economic plan for coal courtry and other riversedge Jun 2016 #5
yeah, from coal to fracking swhisper1 Jun 2016 #94
Locking. onehandle Jun 2016 #6
Unlocking. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2016 #20
They would be finishing us off, to the glee of the Pete Petersons. djean111 Jun 2016 #7
It's only a matter of time until SS is cut pinebox Jun 2016 #10
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #11
Yup that's how I see it as well pinebox Jun 2016 #12
You have a very warped view of Hillary that doesn't match reality. Metric System Jun 2016 #14
i know -- wtf obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #15
Maybe he doesn't pinebox Jun 2016 #23
Still mourning ol Muammar eh? CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #62
Gaddafi was anally raped to death with a bayonet. bvar22 Jun 2016 #107
But in that clip it appears that she's laughing about killing someone Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #78
it creeps me out, also that Business opportunity remark too. She is a vampire, run! swhisper1 Jun 2016 #95
Just like that time DU predicted Obama was going to cut SS. JoePhilly Jun 2016 #45
He offered it up on the negotiating table. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #48
I get a kick out of folks who've been wrong over and over ... JoePhilly Jun 2016 #50
Some people are right, and some are wrong. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #53
Yes, Obama dared the GOP to make a proposal ... JoePhilly Jun 2016 #55
A few people on the Catfood Commission managed to kill it...for now. Fuddnik Jun 2016 #51
7+ years clinging to a failed prediction of doom and gloom. JoePhilly Jun 2016 #52
Read and whine. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #54
I'll keep being right ... you keep ... JoePhilly Jun 2016 #56
There are a lot of dystopia fantasies among that set. CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #63
Did GWB want to privatize SS? Broward Jun 2016 #77
Well let's see ... JoePhilly Jun 2016 #83
Does Obama want stricter gun control? Broward Jun 2016 #88
I'm already hearing celebration from the 3rd way dems in here swhisper1 Jun 2016 #71
Those evil third way straw men-so exhausting to build and then knock down redstateblues Jun 2016 #128
And part of the revitalization includes a $30 billion retraining program. randome Jun 2016 #17
OP doesn't seem to be interested in such facts. JoePhilly Jun 2016 #44
right- will believe it when I see it. from coal to fracking swhisper1 Jun 2016 #72
Bill looks like he's out of it. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2016 #22
I suspect his faculties are slipping away. He use to have swagger and a musical voice swhisper1 Jun 2016 #73
God damn it nc4bo Jun 2016 #24
And then there's this tidbit.... nc4bo Jun 2016 #25
They don't care or pay attention. pinebox Jun 2016 #28
Austerity in tiny increments or all at once? Of course, never for the grifters nc4bo Jun 2016 #57
I am a poor, disabled senior Pastiche423 Jun 2016 #122
me too. swhisper1 Jun 2016 #133
As long as we're getting fucked over by Dems, it's fine vintx Jun 2016 #125
Hopefully we won't have 8 years of peace and prosperity again redstateblues Jun 2016 #30
On the backs of the working class pinebox Jun 2016 #36
Revisionist BS. The housing crash was Bush's. I'm working class and it was a good time. redstateblues Jun 2016 #90
Revisionist? No you're perverting history. pinebox Jun 2016 #96
Matter of opinion-You always blame the Democrats redstateblues Jun 2016 #116
Clinton policies pre-date Bush's pinebox Jun 2016 #144
no, the housing is Bill's cross to bear. Bush's was borrowing to pay for the wars swhisper1 Jun 2016 #98
Always blame the Democrats- It's a matter of opinion who's to blame. redstateblues Jun 2016 #117
revisionist history is counter-productive, best to know your Pres and past pres at face value swhisper1 Jun 2016 #120
Did FDR have any policies you would demonize him for? redstateblues Jun 2016 #130
I dont know- did he inter the american japanese? It was before my time swhisper1 Jun 2016 #132
what, no answer? swhisper1 Jun 2016 #134
Yes- He put all the Americans of Japanese descent on Angel Island. redstateblues Jun 2016 #142
that was my point- you must know your leaders weaknesses and history to keep them honest swhisper1 Jun 2016 #143
With your blinding hatred, Clinton could cure cancer redstateblues Jun 2016 #119
Wrong. Sorry you see it that way BUT pinebox Jun 2016 #145
8 years of undermining social services, unreasonable incarceration, globalization plots swhisper1 Jun 2016 #79
Actually what we have to look forward to is no more of your Clinton bashing still_one Jun 2016 #34
More BS Andy823 Jun 2016 #47
Do the Brockoli paychecks stop on Monday? HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #49
Served with a side on spin-ach. pinebox Jun 2016 #60
Thanks for reminding me... brooklynite Jun 2016 #64
More BS? pinebox Jun 2016 #59
Useless thread...waste of bandwidth. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #61
Yet here you are. nt nc4bo Jun 2016 #66
In a vain hope of precluding further septic sludge. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #68
Goes for you all too honeybun. You should remind your BFFs they aren't the only ones nc4bo Jun 2016 #74
Not Your Sweetie, Not Your Hon... Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #81
Trust me, it was sarcastic. The only missing was a dash of vinegar nc4bo Jun 2016 #86
Might want to brush up your writing skills. Missed the mark by a mile. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #87
What you wrote wasn't worthy. I gave it ALL the the attention it deserved. nc4bo Jun 2016 #89
No thank you. I hope she'll stay true to her pledge to back out of the TPP. Overseas Jun 2016 #67
amen, miracles have happened in the past....or so they say swhisper1 Jun 2016 #80
( don't know who I'm Faux pas Jun 2016 #85
the duo in the WH selling us out swhisper1 Jun 2016 #99
. RandySF Jun 2016 #101
TOMORROW MFM008 Jun 2016 #103
The Republicans Control Both Houses of Congress jamese777 Jun 2016 #104
Another blog-like post from a non-journalist at Inquisitr? Tarc Jun 2016 #105
Good gawd help us Pastiche423 Jun 2016 #121
Tick tock tick tock tick tock NastyRiffraff Jun 2016 #129
Wonderful... deathrind Jun 2016 #131
Tick tock! :-P NurseJackie Jun 2016 #139

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
76. Imagine how many friends you'll influence...
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:32 PM
Jun 2016

Will you all wear the same wardrobe?

Will you all have the same sig lines?

Will you all be waiting for the incrementalism to affect your friends and neighbors?

Will you all be waiting to see who we'll invade next?

So much to do with so many... just like you.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
84. I won't be going to sites that call Hillary the "c" word or if there was "cosmic justice
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 01:07 PM
Jun 2016

Hillary would stroke out"

still_one

(92,190 posts)
138. jpr is full of that nonsense. You and I may disagree, but at least you focus on issues, without
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:00 PM
Jun 2016

resorting to vulgarity, or hateful rants

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
140. I am registered there...
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:07 PM
Jun 2016

I don't have that experience. However, I have it here with people who may get hidden, but survive to do it again and again.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
141. I understand. You focus on issues or critical stands in regard to Hillary. You don't engage in
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:21 PM
Jun 2016

that other nonsense.

I only speak for me, and you only speak for you. We don't control what other people say or do.

My point was that the "group think" you were alluding to above, happens on both sides.

I am fairly certain that you do your own critical thinking though

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
113. Man....
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 05:39 PM
Jun 2016

I just don't understand that... Even though my sister is one of them... I do NOT understand them.

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pinebox

(5,761 posts)
8. Did they support welfare reform too?
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 09:06 AM
Jun 2016

Tell us. Did they? When millions saw their food assistance cut to nothing? Did they support the 89 Dems who recently voted to gut SNAP too? People like DWS? http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/1/29/1273428/-These-89-Democrats-Voted-to-Cut-8-7-Billion-from-Food-Stamps

People forget and people don't study the issues. It's THAT simple and once the veil is lifted off Hillary, you see exactly who she is; a throwback to the Bob Dole era of the GOP. Just like you, you support that, it is what it is.

Are you saying that progressives don't care about the poor? I'd say in this day and age, many Dems don't as illustrated by the 89 who voted to gut SNAP. To them, it's all about the money and nothing less. Do you know who isn't on that list for voting yes? Bernie.

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pinebox

(5,761 posts)
27. Who voted?
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 09:43 AM
Jun 2016

People in a Dem bubble is who.

Now you come crawling to us indy libs to support your candidate in a GE when we never had a voice in the primaries? Bwahahahahahaha! Have fun with that.

I know, it's hard for those who can't see what is happening when they are the ones who help cause the problems by supporting such archaic positions.

 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
65. My position on needing
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:36 AM
Jun 2016

your support has been consistent. I will not crawl and I don't need you. I am pretty sure the unreliable voting record supports my stance. I am guessing Clinton has already written you off as well. You're not needed,

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
97. LOOK EVERYONE HILLARY DOESN'T NEED US!
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 03:24 PM
Jun 2016

Because apparently 55% support of Democrats will gain her the white house!
Bwahahahahahahaha. Hilarious.

 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
106. She will be the President of America, not just to a group of
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 04:20 PM
Jun 2016

malcontents that only want to burn down the party. So SHE DOESN'T NEED THEM. Don't worry it will all become clear in November on how the paper revolution was left behind.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
111. The only paper revolution is that which is written in wall street speeches
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 05:12 PM
Jun 2016

You honestly think your candidate is going to win without the support of millions of people?
Really? Have fun with that. People are sick of both sides of the aisle. Hillary offers nothing new at all, just rehashed day old bakery.

 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
114. Why yes I do know she will win without
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 06:51 PM
Jun 2016

the small minority of disgruntled non voting revolutionaries.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
82. Just win the nomination and you are validated!
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:48 PM
Jun 2016

It's that simple!

Welfare reform was coming whether we like it or not.

Reagan won the presidency on stories of "welfare queens" and Big Tax/Big Spend Democrats. They held office for 12 years in a row and changed America!

Romney popped up 4 years ago with "47% are on the government dole" - this issue is always lurking!

We just had a "socialist" candidate come in third place behind a perceived "centrist" and a "billionaire class" candidate! The "socialist" campaigned against both of these concepts and lost!

To do ANY good, we have to win. "High minded principles" instead of "pragmatic politics" will keep you on the outside looking in.

"Learn it. Live it. Love it."

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azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
91. which poor are you speaking of? please back that one with facts you know income breakdown
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 02:55 PM
Jun 2016

Hillary's voters ect

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
123. See this
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 08:25 PM
Jun 2016
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/4/24/actually-sen-sanders-poor-people-vote-they-just-dont-vote-for-you


Who Wins When Poor People Vote? The Answer May Surprise Bernie Sanders.

Spandan Chakrabarti April 24, 2016

...

On a pretaped interview with NBC's Meet the Press, Sanders was asked why in the 16 out of 17 states with the highest income inequality that have voted - income inequality being Bernie Sanders' defining campaign issue - Hillary Clinton has beaten the self-styled savior of the poor. Seemingly out of excuses, Sanders invented a novel idea: "well, because poor people don't vote," he said, implying that if poor people did vote, he'd be winning so good.


The facts tell the exact opposite story. If exit polling data is any indication, the more poor people that vote, the more Bernie Sanders is actually likely to lose. I have decided to take all the states that have voted thus far in which exit polling data is available in the Democratic primary and chart them out. Here are the results (exit polling data from NBC News).


Clinton's margin among voters with a household income under $30K usually slightly outstrips her margin among the electorate overall, and the higher the share of low-income people in the electorate, the more likely she is to win. Clinton's margin among voters with a household income under $30K usually slightly outstrips her margin among the electorate overall, and the higher the share of low-income people in the electorate, the more likely she is to win.

[There is a graph of the data presented at the source link here ]

...

Hillary Clinton in general tends to actually do better among under-$30K voters than with the general Democratic primary voters, and as you can see, as a general rule, the higher the portion of under-$30K voters in the primary, the more Bernie Sanders is likely to lose and the more Hillary Clinton is likely to win (not in every case, but general trend-wise). For example, in Mississippi, the state with the highest portion of under-$30K electorate so far, where those voters comprised 39% of the Democratic primary electorate, Clinton won the state by a 66-point margin, but she won the lowest income voters by 71 points. In Michigan, Clinton won the under-$30K vote by 6 points despite losing the state by 2 points to Sanders.


More at source link.
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/4/24/actually-sen-sanders-poor-people-vote-they-just-dont-vote-for-you
 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
127. This explains the poor that vote for Republicans as well.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 08:44 PM
Jun 2016

Hell my sister is on SSDI and votes republican every single time...every time. Sometimes it is the moral righteous or sometimes it is that they believe they are exempt and it is the "OTHER" that are pointed at as the problem and no one will come after them personally. She all the lies she hears from the talking heads.

I try really hard to talk to her I am have tried to explain to her at her or tell her how very wrong she is and that when Trump or Hillary cut Social Security it will affect everyone. When Trump or Hillary declares War all of our children and grandchildren will be in an endless war.

I worry for all the poor who have voted based on name recognition or some other odd sense of righteousness which I can never understand.

I grieve for my America...for the Democratic Party I have supported for over 4 decades...I will miss voting this time around as I can't vote for the lessor of two evils any longer. I don't see any other way and for that I am sad...

But then you all don't need my vote and so I wish you all well and desperately hope I am wrong.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
137. lol your actually quoting Spam Dan? Word has it he's been banned from DU multiple times
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 10:34 PM
Jun 2016

maybe now he'll be welcome back

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Armstead

(47,803 posts)
26. There's a difference between stupid and lack of access to information
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 09:42 AM
Jun 2016

Horse race coverage ion the media and nice little soundbites from politicians does not lead to actual knowledge about what candidates do and who they answer to.

Been a problem for a long time.

Not a reflection on intelligence of voters, but shallowness of media and corruption of politicians.

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Armstead

(47,803 posts)
38. Bernie grew up in such palatial surroundings and is now so wealthy...
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 10:00 AM
Jun 2016

At least use some damn logic. Your logic is a form of elitist arrogance in itself.

Clinton may have grown up semi-poor but he left that behind long ago. He and Hillary are now worth about $200 Million. And I don't recall either of then having any kind of jobs where they had to get their hands dirty...or even running a business or doing anything except cash in on their fame.

And no one is talking about a "worker's revolution." It's a political revolution in terms of returning some kind of balance to a political system and economy that has gotten m very unbalanced in favor of the Ultra Rich and Powerful.

And the people in Vermont -- which has a fair number of both middle class and hardscrabble people, seem to relate to Sanders in a very positive way.

So your own elitist ramblings are just a load of hoohah.







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Armstead

(47,803 posts)
46. I was addressing your specific point
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 10:15 AM
Jun 2016

distorting Sanders as a wealthy elite and the Clintons as a "couple of the people."

As for the support of the disadvantaged for them -- yeah. I think if one separated out the the Media Packaged Brand compared to the actual positions and actions they have taken, the people who financially back them, etc. I think a lot of people would say they don't agree with or like it.

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Armstead

(47,803 posts)
75. What do you think of people who vote for Trump and otehr Republicans?
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:32 PM
Jun 2016

I do agree with you that it is necessary to reach voters on their terms -- and whatever combination of income, ethnic and otehr factors that may be.

My problem is that the Democrats gave up on that with the Clinton/DLC/Centrists. Or, more accurately they sold a bill of goods that appeared to be liberal/progressive/populist and support "the people" and won over a majority except hard core right wing haters.

But they sold the people out in the actual conduct in office and policies they signed onto and pushed.

They also watered down the liberal message, to take out the notion of challenging entrenched wealth and power to maintain a balance. In doing that, they also gave the GOP space to continue their misleading sales pitches.

Those two factors castrated the left half of the spectrum. The Clinton Democrats redefined the "center" as corporate conservative -- just not as nasty as the GOP on social issues.

Whatever you think of Bernie or his supporters (who are, like all supporters of all candidates a mix of millions of individuals who are not exactly alike), what he has tried to do is push the "center" somewhat more to the left towards a real center in which there is a balance between elite power and the larger public interest.

There was not time to overcome decades of propaganda and entrenched loyalties to the Clintons.....And maybe Bernie was not the ideal messenger for that. BUT he went from being considered a marginal "fringe left" candidate to winning between 40-45 percent of the primary votes. He proved that the "margins" are a while lot wider and biggerand further to the left than was previously thought. That IS success.

If the Democratic Party institutionally were to look at that and realize that and open up to him and what he represents, they would be a hell of a lot more likely to succeed in November (although with Trump, winning is probably preordained) and also to be healthier and more of a vehicle to actually move towards a national realignment toward left of center rather then right of center.

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swhisper1

(851 posts)
69. he/she is Willfully ignorant, many here choose that path
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:21 PM
Jun 2016

worker's revolution? That came out of left field.Yet typical when one is blinded by pink floodlights

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pinebox

(5,761 posts)
33. What? Ummmmm
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 09:54 AM
Jun 2016
Or so you think poor folks don't have access to the same Internet you do? Or is it that they are sadly less educated than you?


I can tell you right here, right now, many poor people don't have access to the same internet as many people. In fact, many don't even have internet, sadly. You think they have the cash to pony up $75/month?

I'll be straight forward and honest with you. My other half is a teacher in one of the poorest areas of America; Cameron County Texas. Many of her students don't even have cell phones that have internet and many don't have computers at home. When they do have cell phones, often times they are shut off because they can't pay the bill for such service.

Some ISP's offer discounts if you have kids in the household who attend school and will give you barebones internet and possible a computer but that's ISP dependent.

So no, many don't have access to the same internet that we do, which should be free for families who qualify for things like SNAP and Medicaid. Many areas which are poor also aren't even wired due to ISP's not being able to make money.

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pinebox

(5,761 posts)
37. That's an exception
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 10:00 AM
Jun 2016

Most of my better half's students have clamshells.

It's a HUGE problem. Massive actually. Kids are unable to do their homework because textbooks these days are only available online. This is an issue which will need confronting.

Phones can't load that sort of info either. hell, pdf's suck on my S7 lol

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pinebox

(5,761 posts)
41. Well some are
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 10:01 AM
Jun 2016

On both sides, there's no way around it. Hell my mom was about ready to vote for Ken Buck here in CO. I facepalmed.

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #19)

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
100. Well, good luck with that.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 03:47 PM
Jun 2016

Be sure to use a sharp knife when you cut off your nose to spite your face.

riversedge

(70,213 posts)
5. You look foolish posting that OP. Hillary has an economic plan for coal courtry and other
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 09:00 AM
Jun 2016

depressed areas of the country. Do a little research and look up some information before you post next time to avoid looking more foolish.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
7. They would be finishing us off, to the glee of the Pete Petersons.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 09:03 AM
Jun 2016

Austerity, Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare slashed, Single Payer out, mandatory private insurance in. More "trade" deals.

The champagne is likely already flowing on Wall Street and 1% enclaves all over the world.

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bvar22

(39,909 posts)
107. Gaddafi was anally raped to death with a bayonet.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 04:32 PM
Jun 2016

That is inhumane....subhuman... and something I constitutionally oppose as a Human Being.
I don't need to mourn someone to know that that is WRONG, and nothing to giggle about.

The Glee and Giggling creeped me out more than just a little.
Still does.

 

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)
78. But in that clip it appears that she's laughing about killing someone
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:33 PM
Jun 2016

So, how do you circle that square?

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
45. Just like that time DU predicted Obama was going to cut SS.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 10:05 AM
Jun 2016

Over, and over and over, and over.

Being wrong is like a badge of honor for some of you.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
48. He offered it up on the negotiating table.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 10:27 AM
Jun 2016

WJC wanted to kill it... I think HRC will make it a priority. It's what Wall St wants.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
50. I get a kick out of folks who've been wrong over and over ...
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 10:30 AM
Jun 2016

... and over telling me how right they've been all along.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
55. Yes, Obama dared the GOP to make a proposal ...
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 10:38 AM
Jun 2016

... and they scampered away.

Then he pushed them harder on expanding it.

The predicted cuts never happened ... and they never were going to happen.

But hey, look at it this way ... you'll probably have 8 years of President Hillary Clinton during which time you can continue to make the same hair on fire predictions over and over again.

And when they still don't happen ... you can take the credit for stopping them. Again.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
52. 7+ years clinging to a failed prediction of doom and gloom.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 10:33 AM
Jun 2016

Its been amazing to watch a segment of DU scream bloody murder about cuts to SS that were never going to happen.

Oh wait ... that's right ... Obama was going to cut SS ... but Bernie supporters stopped him!!!!!

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
83. Well let's see ...
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:50 PM
Jun 2016

He was President for 8 years, and he held GOP majorities in both the House and the Senate from 2000-2007.

How many times did they bring such a plan to a vote?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
17. And part of the revitalization includes a $30 billion retraining program.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 09:19 AM
Jun 2016

You conveniently left that out or you didn't bother to look further than the opportunity to bash Clinton.

 

swhisper1

(851 posts)
73. I suspect his faculties are slipping away. He use to have swagger and a musical voice
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:30 PM
Jun 2016

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now he is sadly showing foot in mouth disease- it started in the '08 race when he went nasty on Obama

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
24. God damn it
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 09:35 AM
Jun 2016

Has ANYONE paid any attention to this?

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/obama-signs-food-stamp-cut

When House Republicans originally argued for a food stamp cut of between $20.5 billion and $39 billion, the White House threatened to veto both of those proposals. During his Friday speech, the president did not say whether he was satisfied with the final $8.7 billion figure, or even mention the cuts at all. Instead, he praised the food stamp program and said that the final Farm Bill preserved much-needed benefits.

“My position has always been that any Farm Bill I sign must include protections for vulnerable Americans, and thanks to the hard work of [Senate Agriculture Committee chair Debbie Stabenow, D-Mich] and others, it does just that,” he said.
Stabenow, who played a key role in Farm Bill negotiations, fully embraced the cuts in a speech delivered shortly before the president took the stage.

“This is a nutrition bill that makes sure families have a safety net just like farmers do,” she said. “The savings in food assistance came solely from addressing fraud and misuse while maintaining the important benefits for families that need temporary help.”



“Poor people are getting screwed by this Republican majority [in the House] and Democrats in my opinion aren’t doing enough to push back,” he said. “I wish there had been more of a fight from the White House and others.”


So much bullshit hypocrisy, so little time. It leaves me to wonder, if She is elected, how much more will the poor, working poor, disabled, elderly be asked to do without?

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
25. And then there's this tidbit....
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 09:37 AM
Jun 2016
McGovern also admitted to being “puzzled” by the White House’s silence on hunger and food stamp cuts. He predicted that Republicans’ success in getting a several billion dollar food stamp cut meant that they would soon try again for even more.


Why yes, Rep. McGovern......excellent question.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
57. Austerity in tiny increments or all at once? Of course, never for the grifters
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 10:45 AM
Jun 2016

They'll keep on rubbing each other's bellies, cashing out huge fundraiser checks while other 1%ers sign more blank ones, schmoozin' and boozin' then pander their asses off to the ignorant and willfully ignorant who aren't pedigreed game players.

They want us to be afraid.

Some of us have released ourselves and are now awake and unafraid and it feels mighty damn fine.




 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
125. As long as we're getting fucked over by Dems, it's fine
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 08:33 PM
Jun 2016

Welfare reform.
Telecommunications act
NAFTA
TPP
Ever-increasing numbers of H1-B visas...

Please sir, may we have another?

Oh no wait, now we get to say please ma'am!

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
30. Hopefully we won't have 8 years of peace and prosperity again
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 09:49 AM
Jun 2016

Like we did with Bill. Wasn't perfect but it was light years ahead of the 12 years before. '

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
36. On the backs of the working class
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 09:58 AM
Jun 2016

Maybe this time we won't have to worry about things like the housing crash thanks to polices put forth by Clinton which took Obama to get us out of. Maybe poor people won't see their welfare slashed. Maybe we won't see signings of DADT.

Maybe.

Maybe I'll win the lottery too.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
90. Revisionist BS. The housing crash was Bush's. I'm working class and it was a good time.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 02:50 PM
Jun 2016

Like I said it wasn't perfect. Didn't Bernie say marriage equality was a matter of states rights? Didn't Bernie vote against the Brady Bill? Etc etc. No politician is perfect. Even FDR made mistakes and he was a great President. Your constant vitriol and blind hatred will not be missed. Hopefully you will find someplace to vent your constant negativity.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
144. Clinton policies pre-date Bush's
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 07:50 AM
Jun 2016

and that includes revoking Glas-Stegal which would have helped.

That isn't to say that Bush helped it, he made it worse but the roots are in the Clinton administration with the deregulation which was done.

 

swhisper1

(851 posts)
98. no, the housing is Bill's cross to bear. Bush's was borrowing to pay for the wars
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 03:29 PM
Jun 2016

deregulation of the banks was purely Clintons mistake, that and Nafta/Kafta

The banks did it, but Bill enabled them to, having no foresight.

Bill was not a hawk, so we had a good economy- no wars

Hillary is a hawk and will not hobble the banks, so we are going into Hell all over again. She is going to be our Bush

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
117. Always blame the Democrats- It's a matter of opinion who's to blame.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 07:06 PM
Jun 2016

I'm sure Bush appreciates your support. Since you are so prescient you should make a fortune in the stock market. I predict we'll have 8 more years of peace and prosperity.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/business/worldbusiness/21iht-admin.4.18853088.html?_r=0

 

swhisper1

(851 posts)
120. revisionist history is counter-productive, best to know your Pres and past pres at face value
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 07:19 PM
Jun 2016

There was absolutely no reason to kill Glass Steigal. it costs thousands their homes and 401Ks and I do not count Bill as a democrat. He did alot of damage and has been a sexual predator all his life. A true 3rd wayer.

I fear his influence over the next 4 yrs

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
142. Yes- He put all the Americans of Japanese descent on Angel Island.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:36 PM
Jun 2016

many of them died there. My point is this: I hear a lot of trashing of Clinton and Obama for some of their policies that had unintended consequences that were not necessarily positive or that didn't go far enough. On balance both Clinton and Obama had successful Presidencies-were there things that weren't great? Of course- but the reality is that our country moved forward as opposed to the disastrous Republican years. As great as he was, even FDR was not perfect.

 

swhisper1

(851 posts)
143. that was my point- you must know your leaders weaknesses and history to keep them honest
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 12:30 AM
Jun 2016

Bush sent our country backwards, Obama did much to improve it, but now the 3rd way is deeply seeded in the party and Hillary is their leader. If she is aware we know that, she will walk a narrow path

These nasty posters that tend to be Hillary supporters and touting gender preference, are not sighted people, they blindly follow. Blind voters are a big problem on both sides, and blind voters are dominent in this country, and would give her trust she has not earned.

I very much doubt anything will improve under her administration. One example is her stated agreement to raise the minimum wage to $12/hr, but not for 7 years. We need it today, not 7 yrs down the road. Is she just blind? or is it more lip service.

I have a very bad feeling about this woman and her hubby.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
119. With your blinding hatred, Clinton could cure cancer
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 07:17 PM
Jun 2016

And you would....never mind. All I've got to say to you is tick tock. Have a nice life

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
145. Wrong. Sorry you see it that way BUT
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 07:58 AM
Jun 2016

Tell me why I should support someone who is completely polar opposite of me?

For all intents and purposes, she can't be trusted and we all see this but you guys give her a pass on each and every thing like she is some sort of God which should never be criticized despite there being genuine concerns on her judgment and what she supports.

You want me to support someone who voted for the biggest mistake in US history and please don't say that Bernie supported Iraq, supporting our troops who are in battle is NOT the same as sending the 4th ID into a country racing across the desert to overthrow it. You want me to support someone who isn't for universal health care no matter how many times she tries to spin it, lying, that she is. We know people in red states won't be insured. Universal health care means *every body* like Canada, like Germany, like Australia. You want me to support someone who is under an FBI investigation? And no, it isn't a RW smear either, it's a real thing and is happening. That alone should disqualify her. You want me to support someone who can't even give straight answers and lies outright to the American public. One such case is where Hillary is on camera after a rally and tells everyone she never sent classified information in emails. You add in that with her past, things like sniper fire, and you want me to support someone who is completely dishonest?

On and on it goes, from a living wage to her half assed program to help people in college.

You want me to support that?

She hasn't earned my vote.

 

swhisper1

(851 posts)
79. 8 years of undermining social services, unreasonable incarceration, globalization plots
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:36 PM
Jun 2016

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that destroyed our economy and unions, yeah, lets have that again



Sarcasm

brooklynite

(94,535 posts)
64. Thanks for reminding me...
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:35 AM
Jun 2016

AMERICAN BRIDGE is having a call about their Trump research this Wednesday.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
59. More BS?
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 10:52 AM
Jun 2016

It's bullshit what Hillary said? I agree. See how that works? I'm sorry that you're upset at your candidate and what she said Bill's position will be though.

So someone posts something that shows your candidate and says they disagree them and they are a troll that you can't wait to see leave the site? Oh? Is that how that works? You want your little rubber room echo chamber so you can talk about what Hillary is wearing today or what she should help name her newly born grand daughter? I think the club for royal watching is over there on the National Enquirer website.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
74. Goes for you all too honeybun. You should remind your BFFs they aren't the only ones
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:30 PM
Jun 2016

Counting days, minutes and seconds.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
81. Not Your Sweetie, Not Your Hon...
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:47 PM
Jun 2016
Yesterday in a business writing seminar near Seattle, Washington, we were talking about our pet peeves in the messages we read at work. It was a sociable group of women and men in a friendly company. Nevertheless, this pet peeve surfaced: terms of endearment.

When I asked the woman what she meant by terms of endearment and why such terms were a pet peeve to her, I got an answer like this:

"It's words like dear, hon, and sweetie. I don't like them in email and other business communication. I would like to respond to people who use them, 'I'm not your dear, I'm not your hon."


http://www.businesswritingblog.com/business_writing/2008/06/not-your-sweeti.html

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
87. Might want to brush up your writing skills. Missed the mark by a mile.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 01:25 PM
Jun 2016

Once you're explaining, you're losing (the argument). Obviously, your writing ability is not up to the task, if you have to DESCRIBE the missing "bitters" after the fact. LOL!

Why should I trust YOU, an anonymous name and avatar in cyberspace?

Overseas

(12,121 posts)
67. No thank you. I hope she'll stay true to her pledge to back out of the TPP.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:57 AM
Jun 2016

I hope she made that pledge because she knows it would make income inequality much worse.

Mr NAFTA needs to back off and stay in the background.

 

swhisper1

(851 posts)
80. amen, miracles have happened in the past....or so they say
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:39 PM
Jun 2016

Bill will have alot of influence in decisions, so I wont sleep well for 4 yrs

jamese777

(546 posts)
104. The Republicans Control Both Houses of Congress
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 04:06 PM
Jun 2016

and Appropriations Bills originate in the House of Representatives.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
105. Another blog-like post from a non-journalist at Inquisitr?
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 04:19 PM
Jun 2016


Val Powell, the "Web News Reporter"; https://twitter.com/webnewsreporter

Doesn't tweet much anymore, so what else has this esteemed "journalist" been up to...

hillaryinthenews.com

Well now look at that, piles of stories savaging Hillary and pumping Trump's attack lines whenever possible. I especially love the hard-hitting quotes on EMailgate from, let's see...Andrew Napolitano and... Jane Sanders

Quality, objective journalism by Val Powell. Oh wait, we almost missed one.

Muck Rack

Look at those top-notch reports, pinebox!

"Bobby Brown Dishes On Whitney Houston’s Lesbian Love Affair And Kicking Jackson Out Of His Bed In New Memoir"
"Ricky Martin Calls On Public To Pressure Lawmakers For Stricter Gun Control"
"Kim Kardashian Calls Taylor Swift A Liar Over Lyrics To Kanye West’s Song, ‘Famous’"


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