2016 Postmortem
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We can argue all we want about the symbolic meaning of Bernie dropping out of the race and endorsing Hillary now, versus when he has no other choice, but there's an aspect of the story that I had forgotten, until I was just reminded of it.
Bernie Sanders is still receiving Secret Service protection. That's right. Bernie, the person who has all but admitted he is refusing to the say the magic words because of a discussion about the platform (which happens regardless) is costing taxpayers money by refusing to concede. Is this just another example of Bernie's ego getting the better of him?
I don't know the answer to that, but I do know that it's disgraceful that someone who knows he has lost is taking time and money away from the Secret Service that could be better spent dealing with actual threats.
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)Your side won. GET over it...
Skinner was RIGHT!
eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)I would...it's expensive and doesn't make any sense for Sanders to still be receiving this perk. In an article from February, the cost of this service is $38,000 per day. So far, the tax-payers have paid over 5 million dollars for Sanders to be protected. If nothing else, it's time for him to give this up.
http://www.rollcall.com/news/crowded_presidential_race_could_strain_secret_service_budget-245762-1.html
Eric J in MN
(35,620 posts)...from the HRC campaign and Sanders is.
eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)Secret Service protection. The political views of the candidate is not the issue.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)when Hillary is indicted it won't go to waste
Red Mountain
(1,854 posts)Keeping a B-52 in the air for just ONE hour costs a little more than twice that.
840high
(17,196 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)endorse this petty sniping. I was waiting for months of poor-loser acting out to finally end and never expected all these bad winners to join them. Unbelievable.
CrowCityDem, Sanders is a national figure and still a candidate for president. Imo your post is a mirror image of the anti-Hillary trash. Surely you can rise above the bernista behavior? It's such a low bar and it could be argued that they at least have disappointment to use as an excuse (though not by me).
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Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Just like it is a microscopic fraction of her previous war, the cost of our prison system and cost of college.
But you won't consider that.
Let us know when you get your priorities straightened out.
eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)LeFleur1
(1,197 posts)The problem seems to be no matter what the utopia costs, or how long it takes, or if it NEVER happens because we have a Senate, House, Supreme Court and President, Bernie supporters are going with UTOPIA. If unwisely spending taxpayer dollars today means taking food from babies, poor people, stopping the NRA, human rights, so be it. None of it is as important as the elusive utopia that some think they can force on the rest of us. The votes for the Democratic nominee indicate their utopia is not the same as the reality Democrats favor because we believe it is within our grasp if we elect someone who can work within our government, who has foreign policy experience, who can negotiate, who believes in the goals of America. No matter what Bernie tells us, there is no magic wand that makes HIS ideas into workable plans that would pass the Senate and House. There is a way to make changes, but it isn't a revolution let by a conscientious objector with no foreign policy experience, and little negotiating experience.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Reaching for it with great effort has rarely, if ever, destroyed a nation, unlike warfare. It's like striving for peace. A self-actualized person recognizes we will never-ever-ever achieve a good and lasting peace, but striving for that peace is the only way to avoid the ravages of war (extinction level ravages today, unlike in the past).
Utopia is like that.
Sanders never promised utopia. If we lack the will to strive for it, then we must suffer the banal and atavistic disparities we have faced since we invented the tribe. Utopia? Wayon. Peddle that elsewhere.
What he promised was a government based on dignity, and dignity ought to become a part of the strata of the bedrock on which we build our nation.
Autumn
(45,942 posts)It expresses what the democratic party has become, perfectly
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Autumn
(45,942 posts)grateful for it. It's like when a cataract is removed. The clarity is stunning.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)And they're hanging themselves in spectacular fashion
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)Autumn
(45,942 posts)I love your OP. It captures what the democratic party is now is and what DU has become. Everything changes, nothing stands still.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Their lives are no less valuable than Hillary and Bill's.
swhisper1
(851 posts)FSogol
(46,249 posts)pandr32
(12,068 posts)...as far as his supporters are concerned, and anything and everything to do with Hillary Clinton somehow is spun to prove that she is a horrible person to lead the Democratic Party and even worse for the country and the world...sigh.
Why even try to talk about the fact that Bernie is wasting taxpayer dollars needlessly, as just one example of a no-no?
Gawd forbid someone should mention any of the other serious problems relating to him.
eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)outstanding reply
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Socialist Party or Green Party. In fact, they'd be much obliged to have more members - and donations - in order to finally get off the ground.
Autumn
(45,942 posts)me to support the democratic party. Don't know what you're getting at and not interested enough in what you say to figure it out. It's still a fucking awesome OP.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)perhaps any of the other Parties vying for power in this country might be more attractive to you and can prove to be a better fit. Why do you want to change the Democratic Party? It's doing just fine.
I like the Democratic Party just the way it is. It's not too left. It's not too right. It's juuuuuust right.
And for the record, just as I disagree with your politics, I disagree with you on how awesome the OP.
Autumn
(45,942 posts)never voted for a republican in my life and not going to start now. I don't believe anything is juuuuuustright and certainly not political parties. I still think the OP is awesome as I explained in my other posts . YMMV. Bye and have a good day.
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,013 posts)riversedge
(72,572 posts)Don't know why it stuck in my mind. But it was the day after Kerry lost the Pres. Election (I know different situation). Anyway, he went back to his Senate office and folks greeted him warmly --and Kerry was talking about how he went home the night before-- (election night). The house was dark, no one around, the Secret Service had left etc etc
The S Service left quickly. Wonder what happens to primary candidates.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)the real deal. I becoming a bit suspicious of their sudden interest in Elizabeth Warren though.
mythology
(9,527 posts)You do realize the cost of a Secret Service detail is the equivalent of change in the couch cushion to the federal government?
pangaia
(24,324 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)It is not a pretty sight.
Get over it. Your candidate won. She's the nominee.
Graciousness from winners and the utter lack of it, as you so sadly and repetitively exhibit, are indications of character.
QC
(26,371 posts)Autumn
(45,942 posts)out which of her e mails belong to State and the people and which are personal and belong to her but I'm not a freeper and I'm smart enough to understand that there are costs to all aspects of our democracy and our government. Elections and running for office are not "free stuff".
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Autumn
(45,942 posts)Things that make you go hummm.
QC
(26,371 posts)Funny how that works, isn't it?
okasha
(11,573 posts)with Secret Service protection for the Yam is that theit presence keeps his private thugs from attacking any non-Trumpets at his rallies.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Hiring a security firm out of the $200 Million net worth when both were not running for office or holding office.
eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)a national security issue. Even when they are out of office, they still have information that could be of value to foreign governments or terrorist organizations. It makes sense to use tax payer money to protect them. It doesn't make sense to provide expensive protection for people who don't want to concede and have no hope of advancing their campaign.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Sanders supporters can only influence the platform if Bernie doesn't drop out. If he gets out now, it will be 100% HRC stuff and the status quo inside the party organization will be locked in place for the next four years.
And why should he give up Secret Service protection, when there are plenty of whackos out there who would like to harm or even kill Bernie and Jane. You don't think the nation's antisemites and right-wing maniacs have them in their sites?
You are being petty in dwelling on this Secret Service issue.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)"Sanders supporters can only influence the platform is Bernie doesn't drop out."
His delegates will be there whether he suspends or not, unless they're too disenchanted to show up. The discussions on the floor don't change.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)It makes no difference to HRC's fall chances whether Bernie drops out now or at Philly.
Only the right wing of the party would benefit from Bernie getting out immediately.
It's enough that he's not going negative on her anymore.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)It's called coalition building.
Something that most DUers are trying to do, you being one of the exceptions.
liberal from boston
(856 posts)Exactly. I remember when shots were fired at Bernie's Nevada Campaign office (Bernie was present) & his campaign workers living quarters ransacked. Secret Service initially thought it was an attempted assassination.
JHB
(37,348 posts)Since when has snapping you fingers in someone's face been a sign of unity?
Vinca
(50,854 posts)Think back to 2008 and how Hillary cost us money. And by us I mean Obama supporters. She wouldn't go away until she got cash on the barrel head to pay her campaign debt.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)That's not part of the Secret Service's mission unless the senator in question is a former president (it's happened, once), the spouse of a former president or a current candidate for president or VP.
Vinca
(50,854 posts)Now . . . who wants to start a thread about how Bernie is wasting the government money because a Capitol Police officer might protect him? I know somewhere on this forum there is a divisive person who opts to trash Bernie rather boost Hillary who will be more than willing to start a discussion.
Miles Archer
(18,929 posts)Maybe a better option for you would be to focus exclusively on getting the candidate of your choice elected, rather than focusing on Sanders.
He'll drop out of the race when he feels that the time has come, and an "endorsement" is not automatically wrapped around that.
And an "endorsement" may never come. That's his right. To say that he will have "no other choice" is completely false.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Did it take you all morning to dream this nonsense up?
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)sanders joins trump as the only major candidness refusing to release last 10 years or more of tax returns....the fact the bernie says one thing and acts another is bothersome for a guy running on some type of "moral high ground"...luckily he is not our nomineee....he would never survive the vetting in front of the american people
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)You don't give a damn about the Secret Service protection and we all know it.
You will use anything, no matter how dishonest, to attack anything that is even slightly inconvenient for Hillary.
Sad.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)I'm surprised the OP was clever enough to notice the difference.
JI7
(90,226 posts)from them .
aikoaiko
(34,201 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)and she still has the nerve to push forward.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)Autumn
(45,942 posts)went after Bill for years . Investigation after investigation that he had a hand in.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)George Eliot
(701 posts)Spending money I mean.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)MelissaB
(16,522 posts)Perogie
(687 posts)It's not like they would fire these guys if they stopped protecting Bernie, so it really isn't costing anything extra. We still have to pay them even if they were sitting at the Secret Service HQ waiting for an assignment.
Hilliary won, get over Bernie.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Maybe you'll grow up, too. Doubt it.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)riversedge
(72,572 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)"presumptive"?
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Gothmog
(153,634 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)Try again.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)What shall we name the river you are about to cry?
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)AntiBank
(1,339 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)Greywing
(1,126 posts)It is NOT costing the American taxpayer more money
LoverOfLiberty
(1,438 posts)and in the spirit of the new TOS, please let this thread die.
We've moved on.
bonemachine
(757 posts)By responding to it.
Vote2016
(1,198 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)Please self delete this obvious smear.