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CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 09:48 AM Jun 2016

Bernie's vanity is costing us money. Literally.

This discussion thread was locked by EarlG (a host of the 2016 Postmortem forum).

We can argue all we want about the symbolic meaning of Bernie dropping out of the race and endorsing Hillary now, versus when he has no other choice, but there's an aspect of the story that I had forgotten, until I was just reminded of it.

Bernie Sanders is still receiving Secret Service protection. That's right. Bernie, the person who has all but admitted he is refusing to the say the magic words because of a discussion about the platform (which happens regardless) is costing taxpayers money by refusing to concede. Is this just another example of Bernie's ego getting the better of him?

I don't know the answer to that, but I do know that it's disgraceful that someone who knows he has lost is taking time and money away from the Secret Service that could be better spent dealing with actual threats.

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Bernie's vanity is costing us money. Literally. (Original Post) CrowCityDem Jun 2016 OP
Just stop it... Cooley Hurd Jun 2016 #1
Would you be upset if O'Malley had a tax-payer funded Secret Service detail, or Fiorina, or Cruz? eastwestdem Jun 2016 #35
O'Malley isn't in a position to fight to get liberal policies Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #37
I'm talking about the expense TO THE TAXPAYERS of a non-viable presidential candidate getting eastwestdem Jun 2016 #38
oh well Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2016 #44
LOL.......yes, it costs money Red Mountain Jun 2016 #52
.that^ 840high Jun 2016 #54
I agree, Cooley Hurd. But not all of us Hortensis Jun 2016 #65
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #91
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #2
Just a microscopic fraction of the cost of Clinton's next war Android3.14 Jun 2016 #3
And that's how you judge goverment spending? Interesting. nt eastwestdem Jun 2016 #39
The Problem LeFleur1 Jun 2016 #83
The thing about utopia Android3.14 Jun 2016 #86
I love this OP Autumn Jun 2016 #4
Tells us all ya need to know plus some ya didn't..... but suspected :-) nt nc4bo Jun 2016 #6
They are so open and honest about it. In a strange way I am very Autumn Jun 2016 #8
Skinner gave them a sense of courage to hang themselves with. arcane1 Jun 2016 #62
Liberals are supposed to be fine with wasting our resources where they aren't needed? CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #11
Why not? Liberals are fine wasting resources on unending wars. Take the complement, it's sincere. Autumn Jun 2016 #14
.+1 840high Jun 2016 #55
There are a lot of people who would like to see Bernie and Jane dead. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #22
self delete buddy, then seek professional help swhisper1 Jun 2016 #29
No there are not. FSogol Jun 2016 #77
Anything Bernie does is a non-issue pandr32 Jun 2016 #81
Which is likely why Sanders has not been accepted as a Democrat. nt eastwestdem Jun 2016 #40
^^^ THIS ^^^ HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #51
No one is stopping you or any other Disenchanted from supporting a different Party - like the BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #76
Of course no one is stopping me from supporting a different party, just like no one is forcing Autumn Jun 2016 #79
What I'm getting at is, if the Democratic Party is not working out for you or your dreams and goals, BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #84
I'm well over 60, never missed an election and a registered dem all my life until last year Autumn Jun 2016 #85
He deserves Secret Service through the Convention. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #5
I recall a story from long ago-- riversedge Jun 2016 #30
He most definitely does, and no one should question it. eom BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #78
The Bernie hate is strong amongst neoliberals, so I know when it comes to populism he's NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #7
Ugh this is silly. mythology Jun 2016 #9
Oh, Jesus on a stick!! pangaia Jun 2016 #10
you are frothing. In post after post after post after post cali Jun 2016 #12
This sounds like something a freeper would say. n/t QC Jun 2016 #13
I would ask what the cost of the FBI investigation and the man hours put in sorting Autumn Jun 2016 #15
+1 Best answer. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #17
I'm glad to hear that Humble Hillary refuses SS protection to save money. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #16
1. She's the candidate. 2. She's a former first lady. 3. Bernie is just a Senator at this point. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #18
And, we're payin' for it. Like it or not. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #19
Funny how paying for Trumps and Hills SS gets no complaints at all. Autumn Jun 2016 #21
The superfanz here hate Bernie way, way more than Trump. QC Jun 2016 #26
The only reason I'm ok okasha Jun 2016 #42
Yes. Actual candidates require and deserve the protection. Not people strining it out like Bernie. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #24
If it's such a concern, I'm sure you agree the Clintons could have saved the US a lot of money by... Armstead Jun 2016 #48
Again, the United States goverment deems the protection of past presidents and their families to be eastwestdem Jun 2016 #92
It's enough that he get out at the convention and doesn't attack HRC between now and then. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #20
What? CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #23
HRC will simply control everything if Bernie withdraws before the convention. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #25
She controls everything anyway, since she has more delegates. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #28
It doesn't work like that. blackspade Jun 2016 #95
Senator Sanders liberal from boston Jun 2016 #45
Seriously? JHB Jun 2016 #27
He's a U.S. Senator. He has SS protection anyway if need be. Vinca Jun 2016 #31
No, senators don't normally have SS protection. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #71
I was wrong and you're correct. They're protected by the Capitol Police. Vinca Jun 2016 #74
Let's get one thing straight...he ALWAYS has "a choice." Miles Archer Jun 2016 #32
Ah, you poor thing.... AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #33
still wondering whats in sander's tax returns that so important not show the american people... beachbum bob Jun 2016 #34
An excellent example of how dishonest Clinton supporters can be. Motown_Johnny Jun 2016 #36
+1 dchill Jun 2016 #63
Remember: the marching orders weren't to defeat Sanders, but to "disqualify" him. arcane1 Jun 2016 #64
this sounds like the right wing racists resentful things are being taken JI7 Jun 2016 #41
I'm good with it. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #43
The lamest post in a long time Armstead Jun 2016 #46
Hillary's vanity will cost us the presidency. . . . . really, under criminal investigation pdsimdars Jun 2016 #47
Still complaining about your taxes, I see. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #49
Looks like Brock sent the memo to Slate. QC Jun 2016 #50
That ass Brock knows a thing or two about wasting taxpayer money from when he Autumn Jun 2016 #58
Wow! That .01% of one cent must really be causing a hardship on you and yours. notadmblnd Jun 2016 #53
Enough about Bernie. Small part of Clinton's military budget. You'll get used to it. George Eliot Jun 2016 #56
When Bernie becomes president - money well spent Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2016 #59
Are you worried about the 40 Billion we are giving to Israel for 'free'stuff'? Live and Learn Jun 2016 #57
+1000 MelissaB Jun 2016 #67
you're not too bright Perogie Jun 2016 #60
Counting down to next week, when stupid shit like this is forbidden. arcane1 Jun 2016 #61
It's nice to see that priorities are being set azurnoir Jun 2016 #66
If Hillary is already the nominee, then why don't they just remove Bernie's SSP? -nt- NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #68
Because she is the presumptive nominee. riversedge Jun 2016 #70
To hear her supporters tell it, sounds like a pretty done deal to me. Now what's that you say about NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #72
How many superdelegates has Bernie flipped since the Washington DC primary? nt Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 #96
Agreed Gothmog Jun 2016 #69
The policies Sanders campaigns to end are costing us far more. Orsino Jun 2016 #73
Stunning reach-out effort from the presumptive nominee's side. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #75
Denial? Exilednight Jun 2016 #80
piss in the ocean compared to the 40 billion we are tossing to Israel AntiBank Jun 2016 #82
This is up to Homeland Security not Bernie. STOP IT! jillan Jun 2016 #87
Regardless of where they are assigned they are still on the Secret Service payroll Greywing Jun 2016 #88
For the love of god LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #89
you can't kill a thread bonemachine Jun 2016 #90
And "costing us money" means more than any value dear to us capitalists! Vote2016 Jun 2016 #93
For fuck sake, Really? blackspade Jun 2016 #94
 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
1. Just stop it...
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 09:52 AM
Jun 2016

Your side won. GET over it...

Skinner was RIGHT!

 

eastwestdem

(1,220 posts)
35. Would you be upset if O'Malley had a tax-payer funded Secret Service detail, or Fiorina, or Cruz?
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 01:30 PM
Jun 2016

I would...it's expensive and doesn't make any sense for Sanders to still be receiving this perk. In an article from February, the cost of this service is $38,000 per day. So far, the tax-payers have paid over 5 million dollars for Sanders to be protected. If nothing else, it's time for him to give this up.

http://www.rollcall.com/news/crowded_presidential_race_could_strain_secret_service_budget-245762-1.html

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
37. O'Malley isn't in a position to fight to get liberal policies
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 01:37 PM
Jun 2016

...from the HRC campaign and Sanders is.

 

eastwestdem

(1,220 posts)
38. I'm talking about the expense TO THE TAXPAYERS of a non-viable presidential candidate getting
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 01:47 PM
Jun 2016

Secret Service protection. The political views of the candidate is not the issue.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
44. oh well
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 02:10 PM
Jun 2016

when Hillary is indicted it won't go to waste

Red Mountain

(1,784 posts)
52. LOL.......yes, it costs money
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 02:57 PM
Jun 2016

Keeping a B-52 in the air for just ONE hour costs a little more than twice that.

 

840high

(17,196 posts)
54. .that^
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 03:00 PM
Jun 2016

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
65. I agree, Cooley Hurd. But not all of us
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 03:22 PM
Jun 2016

endorse this petty sniping. I was waiting for months of poor-loser acting out to finally end and never expected all these bad winners to join them. Unbelievable.

CrowCityDem, Sanders is a national figure and still a candidate for president. Imo your post is a mirror image of the anti-Hillary trash. Surely you can rise above the bernista behavior? It's such a low bar and it could be argued that they at least have disappointment to use as an excuse (though not by me).

Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #1)

Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
3. Just a microscopic fraction of the cost of Clinton's next war
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 10:08 AM
Jun 2016

Just like it is a microscopic fraction of her previous war, the cost of our prison system and cost of college.

But you won't consider that.

Let us know when you get your priorities straightened out.

 

eastwestdem

(1,220 posts)
39. And that's how you judge goverment spending? Interesting. nt
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 01:53 PM
Jun 2016

LeFleur1

(1,197 posts)
83. The Problem
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 12:52 PM
Jun 2016

The problem seems to be no matter what the utopia costs, or how long it takes, or if it NEVER happens because we have a Senate, House, Supreme Court and President, Bernie supporters are going with UTOPIA. If unwisely spending taxpayer dollars today means taking food from babies, poor people, stopping the NRA, human rights, so be it. None of it is as important as the elusive utopia that some think they can force on the rest of us. The votes for the Democratic nominee indicate their utopia is not the same as the reality Democrats favor because we believe it is within our grasp if we elect someone who can work within our government, who has foreign policy experience, who can negotiate, who believes in the goals of America. No matter what Bernie tells us, there is no magic wand that makes HIS ideas into workable plans that would pass the Senate and House. There is a way to make changes, but it isn't a revolution let by a conscientious objector with no foreign policy experience, and little negotiating experience.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
86. The thing about utopia
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 09:16 PM
Jun 2016

Reaching for it with great effort has rarely, if ever, destroyed a nation, unlike warfare. It's like striving for peace. A self-actualized person recognizes we will never-ever-ever achieve a good and lasting peace, but striving for that peace is the only way to avoid the ravages of war (extinction level ravages today, unlike in the past).

Utopia is like that.

Sanders never promised utopia. If we lack the will to strive for it, then we must suffer the banal and atavistic disparities we have faced since we invented the tribe. Utopia? Wayon. Peddle that elsewhere.

What he promised was a government based on dignity, and dignity ought to become a part of the strata of the bedrock on which we build our nation.

Autumn

(45,481 posts)
4. I love this OP
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 10:18 AM
Jun 2016

It expresses what the democratic party has become, perfectly

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
6. Tells us all ya need to know plus some ya didn't..... but suspected :-) nt
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 10:24 AM
Jun 2016

Autumn

(45,481 posts)
8. They are so open and honest about it. In a strange way I am very
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 10:29 AM
Jun 2016

grateful for it. It's like when a cataract is removed. The clarity is stunning.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
62. Skinner gave them a sense of courage to hang themselves with.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 03:14 PM
Jun 2016

And they're hanging themselves in spectacular fashion

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
11. Liberals are supposed to be fine with wasting our resources where they aren't needed?
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 10:35 AM
Jun 2016

Autumn

(45,481 posts)
14. Why not? Liberals are fine wasting resources on unending wars. Take the complement, it's sincere.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 10:43 AM
Jun 2016

I love your OP. It captures what the democratic party is now is and what DU has become. Everything changes, nothing stands still.

 

840high

(17,196 posts)
55. .+1
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 03:01 PM
Jun 2016
 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
22. There are a lot of people who would like to see Bernie and Jane dead.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:25 AM
Jun 2016

Their lives are no less valuable than Hillary and Bill's.

 

swhisper1

(851 posts)
29. self delete buddy, then seek professional help
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:48 AM
Jun 2016

FSogol

(45,752 posts)
77. No there are not.
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 12:06 PM
Jun 2016

pandr32

(11,843 posts)
81. Anything Bernie does is a non-issue
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 12:38 PM
Jun 2016

...as far as his supporters are concerned, and anything and everything to do with Hillary Clinton somehow is spun to prove that she is a horrible person to lead the Democratic Party and even worse for the country and the world...sigh.

Why even try to talk about the fact that Bernie is wasting taxpayer dollars needlessly, as just one example of a no-no?

Gawd forbid someone should mention any of the other serious problems relating to him.

 

eastwestdem

(1,220 posts)
40. Which is likely why Sanders has not been accepted as a Democrat. nt
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 01:54 PM
Jun 2016
 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
51. ^^^ THIS ^^^
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 02:54 PM
Jun 2016

outstanding reply

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
76. No one is stopping you or any other Disenchanted from supporting a different Party - like the
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 12:01 PM
Jun 2016

Socialist Party or Green Party. In fact, they'd be much obliged to have more members - and donations - in order to finally get off the ground.

Autumn

(45,481 posts)
79. Of course no one is stopping me from supporting a different party, just like no one is forcing
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 12:17 PM
Jun 2016

me to support the democratic party. Don't know what you're getting at and not interested enough in what you say to figure it out. It's still a fucking awesome OP.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
84. What I'm getting at is, if the Democratic Party is not working out for you or your dreams and goals,
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 01:55 PM
Jun 2016

perhaps any of the other Parties vying for power in this country might be more attractive to you and can prove to be a better fit. Why do you want to change the Democratic Party? It's doing just fine.

I like the Democratic Party just the way it is. It's not too left. It's not too right. It's juuuuuust right.

And for the record, just as I disagree with your politics, I disagree with you on how awesome the OP.

Autumn

(45,481 posts)
85. I'm well over 60, never missed an election and a registered dem all my life until last year
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 02:59 PM
Jun 2016

never voted for a republican in my life and not going to start now. I don't believe anything is juuuuuustright and certainly not political parties. I still think the OP is awesome as I explained in my other posts . YMMV. Bye and have a good day.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,822 posts)
5. He deserves Secret Service through the Convention.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 10:20 AM
Jun 2016

riversedge

(71,336 posts)
30. I recall a story from long ago--
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:35 PM
Jun 2016

Don't know why it stuck in my mind. But it was the day after Kerry lost the Pres. Election (I know different situation). Anyway, he went back to his Senate office and folks greeted him warmly --and Kerry was talking about how he went home the night before-- (election night). The house was dark, no one around, the Secret Service had left etc etc


The S Service left quickly. Wonder what happens to primary candidates.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
78. He most definitely does, and no one should question it. eom
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 12:10 PM
Jun 2016
 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
7. The Bernie hate is strong amongst neoliberals, so I know when it comes to populism he's
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 10:25 AM
Jun 2016

the real deal. I becoming a bit suspicious of their sudden interest in Elizabeth Warren though.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
9. Ugh this is silly.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 10:31 AM
Jun 2016

You do realize the cost of a Secret Service detail is the equivalent of change in the couch cushion to the federal government?

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
10. Oh, Jesus on a stick!!
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 10:33 AM
Jun 2016




 

cali

(114,904 posts)
12. you are frothing. In post after post after post after post
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 10:37 AM
Jun 2016

It is not a pretty sight.

Get over it. Your candidate won. She's the nominee.

Graciousness from winners and the utter lack of it, as you so sadly and repetitively exhibit, are indications of character.

QC

(26,371 posts)
13. This sounds like something a freeper would say. n/t
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 10:38 AM
Jun 2016

Autumn

(45,481 posts)
15. I would ask what the cost of the FBI investigation and the man hours put in sorting
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 10:54 AM
Jun 2016

out which of her e mails belong to State and the people and which are personal and belong to her but I'm not a freeper and I'm smart enough to understand that there are costs to all aspects of our democracy and our government. Elections and running for office are not "free stuff".

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
17. +1 Best answer.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:13 AM
Jun 2016
 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
16. I'm glad to hear that Humble Hillary refuses SS protection to save money.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:12 AM
Jun 2016
 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
18. 1. She's the candidate. 2. She's a former first lady. 3. Bernie is just a Senator at this point.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:18 AM
Jun 2016
 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
19. And, we're payin' for it. Like it or not.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:21 AM
Jun 2016

Autumn

(45,481 posts)
21. Funny how paying for Trumps and Hills SS gets no complaints at all.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:24 AM
Jun 2016

Things that make you go hummm.

QC

(26,371 posts)
26. The superfanz here hate Bernie way, way more than Trump.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:28 AM
Jun 2016

Funny how that works, isn't it?

okasha

(11,573 posts)
42. The only reason I'm ok
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 02:04 PM
Jun 2016

with Secret Service protection for the Yam is that theit presence keeps his private thugs from attacking any non-Trumpets at his rallies.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
24. Yes. Actual candidates require and deserve the protection. Not people strining it out like Bernie.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:27 AM
Jun 2016
 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
48. If it's such a concern, I'm sure you agree the Clintons could have saved the US a lot of money by...
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 02:36 PM
Jun 2016

Hiring a security firm out of the $200 Million net worth when both were not running for office or holding office.

 

eastwestdem

(1,220 posts)
92. Again, the United States goverment deems the protection of past presidents and their families to be
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 11:54 PM
Jun 2016

a national security issue. Even when they are out of office, they still have information that could be of value to foreign governments or terrorist organizations. It makes sense to use tax payer money to protect them. It doesn't make sense to provide expensive protection for people who don't want to concede and have no hope of advancing their campaign.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
20. It's enough that he get out at the convention and doesn't attack HRC between now and then.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:24 AM
Jun 2016

Sanders supporters can only influence the platform if Bernie doesn't drop out. If he gets out now, it will be 100% HRC stuff and the status quo inside the party organization will be locked in place for the next four years.

And why should he give up Secret Service protection, when there are plenty of whackos out there who would like to harm or even kill Bernie and Jane. You don't think the nation's antisemites and right-wing maniacs have them in their sites?

You are being petty in dwelling on this Secret Service issue.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
23. What?
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:26 AM
Jun 2016

"Sanders supporters can only influence the platform is Bernie doesn't drop out."

His delegates will be there whether he suspends or not, unless they're too disenchanted to show up. The discussions on the floor don't change.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
25. HRC will simply control everything if Bernie withdraws before the convention.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:28 AM
Jun 2016

It makes no difference to HRC's fall chances whether Bernie drops out now or at Philly.

Only the right wing of the party would benefit from Bernie getting out immediately.

It's enough that he's not going negative on her anymore.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
28. She controls everything anyway, since she has more delegates.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:31 AM
Jun 2016

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
95. It doesn't work like that.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 01:02 AM
Jun 2016

It's called coalition building.
Something that most DUers are trying to do, you being one of the exceptions.

45. Senator Sanders
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 02:31 PM
Jun 2016

Exactly. I remember when shots were fired at Bernie's Nevada Campaign office (Bernie was present) & his campaign workers living quarters ransacked. Secret Service initially thought it was an attempted assassination.

JHB

(37,194 posts)
27. Seriously?
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:29 AM
Jun 2016

Since when has snapping you fingers in someone's face been a sign of unity?

Vinca

(50,508 posts)
31. He's a U.S. Senator. He has SS protection anyway if need be.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:37 PM
Jun 2016

Think back to 2008 and how Hillary cost us money. And by us I mean Obama supporters. She wouldn't go away until she got cash on the barrel head to pay her campaign debt.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
71. No, senators don't normally have SS protection.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 09:14 PM
Jun 2016

That's not part of the Secret Service's mission unless the senator in question is a former president (it's happened, once), the spouse of a former president or a current candidate for president or VP.

Vinca

(50,508 posts)
74. I was wrong and you're correct. They're protected by the Capitol Police.
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 11:52 AM
Jun 2016

Now . . . who wants to start a thread about how Bernie is wasting the government money because a Capitol Police officer might protect him? I know somewhere on this forum there is a divisive person who opts to trash Bernie rather boost Hillary who will be more than willing to start a discussion.

Miles Archer

(18,840 posts)
32. Let's get one thing straight...he ALWAYS has "a choice."
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:46 PM
Jun 2016
"We can argue all we want about the symbolic meaning of Bernie dropping out of the race and endorsing Hillary now, versus when he has no other choice, but ..."

Maybe a better option for you would be to focus exclusively on getting the candidate of your choice elected, rather than focusing on Sanders.

He'll drop out of the race when he feels that the time has come, and an "endorsement" is not automatically wrapped around that.

And an "endorsement" may never come. That's his right. To say that he will have "no other choice" is completely false.
 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
33. Ah, you poor thing....
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 01:01 PM
Jun 2016

Did it take you all morning to dream this nonsense up?

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
34. still wondering whats in sander's tax returns that so important not show the american people...
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 01:06 PM
Jun 2016

sanders joins trump as the only major candidness refusing to release last 10 years or more of tax returns....the fact the bernie says one thing and acts another is bothersome for a guy running on some type of "moral high ground"...luckily he is not our nomineee....he would never survive the vetting in front of the american people

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
36. An excellent example of how dishonest Clinton supporters can be.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 01:34 PM
Jun 2016

You don't give a damn about the Secret Service protection and we all know it.


You will use anything, no matter how dishonest, to attack anything that is even slightly inconvenient for Hillary.


Sad.



dchill

(39,146 posts)
63. +1
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 03:15 PM
Jun 2016
 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
64. Remember: the marching orders weren't to defeat Sanders, but to "disqualify" him.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 03:18 PM
Jun 2016

I'm surprised the OP was clever enough to notice the difference.

JI7

(89,648 posts)
41. this sounds like the right wing racists resentful things are being taken
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 01:58 PM
Jun 2016

from them .

aikoaiko

(34,195 posts)
43. I'm good with it.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 02:05 PM
Jun 2016
 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
46. The lamest post in a long time
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 02:32 PM
Jun 2016
 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
47. Hillary's vanity will cost us the presidency. . . . . really, under criminal investigation
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 02:34 PM
Jun 2016

and she still has the nerve to push forward.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
49. Still complaining about your taxes, I see. nt
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 02:43 PM
Jun 2016

Autumn

(45,481 posts)
58. That ass Brock knows a thing or two about wasting taxpayer money from when he
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 03:06 PM
Jun 2016

went after Bill for years . Investigation after investigation that he had a hand in.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
53. Wow! That .01% of one cent must really be causing a hardship on you and yours.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 03:00 PM
Jun 2016

George Eliot

(701 posts)
56. Enough about Bernie. Small part of Clinton's military budget. You'll get used to it.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 03:01 PM
Jun 2016

Spending money I mean.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
59. When Bernie becomes president - money well spent
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 03:09 PM
Jun 2016

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
57. Are you worried about the 40 Billion we are giving to Israel for 'free'stuff'?
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 03:02 PM
Jun 2016

MelissaB

(16,487 posts)
67. +1000
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 04:12 PM
Jun 2016

Perogie

(687 posts)
60. you're not too bright
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 03:10 PM
Jun 2016

It's not like they would fire these guys if they stopped protecting Bernie, so it really isn't costing anything extra. We still have to pay them even if they were sitting at the Secret Service HQ waiting for an assignment.

Hilliary won, get over Bernie.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
61. Counting down to next week, when stupid shit like this is forbidden.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 03:13 PM
Jun 2016

Maybe you'll grow up, too. Doubt it.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
66. It's nice to see that priorities are being set
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 03:57 PM
Jun 2016
 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
68. If Hillary is already the nominee, then why don't they just remove Bernie's SSP? -nt-
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 04:18 PM
Jun 2016

riversedge

(71,336 posts)
70. Because she is the presumptive nominee.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 07:50 PM
Jun 2016
 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
72. To hear her supporters tell it, sounds like a pretty done deal to me. Now what's that you say about
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 10:22 PM
Jun 2016

"presumptive"?

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
96. How many superdelegates has Bernie flipped since the Washington DC primary? nt
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 01:49 AM
Jun 2016

Gothmog

(149,151 posts)
69. Agreed
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 07:19 PM
Jun 2016

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
73. The policies Sanders campaigns to end are costing us far more.
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 09:26 AM
Jun 2016

Try again.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
75. Stunning reach-out effort from the presumptive nominee's side.
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 11:54 AM
Jun 2016

What shall we name the river you are about to cry?

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
80. Denial?
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 12:27 PM
Jun 2016
 

AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
82. piss in the ocean compared to the 40 billion we are tossing to Israel
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 12:49 PM
Jun 2016

jillan

(39,451 posts)
87. This is up to Homeland Security not Bernie. STOP IT!
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 09:30 PM
Jun 2016

Greywing

(1,124 posts)
88. Regardless of where they are assigned they are still on the Secret Service payroll
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 09:36 PM
Jun 2016

It is NOT costing the American taxpayer more money

LoverOfLiberty

(1,438 posts)
89. For the love of god
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 09:37 PM
Jun 2016

and in the spirit of the new TOS, please let this thread die.

We've moved on.

bonemachine

(757 posts)
90. you can't kill a thread
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 09:54 PM
Jun 2016

By responding to it.

 

Vote2016

(1,198 posts)
93. And "costing us money" means more than any value dear to us capitalists!
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 12:12 AM
Jun 2016

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
94. For fuck sake, Really?
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 12:49 AM
Jun 2016

Please self delete this obvious smear.

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