If Hillary Clinton starts courting republicans,

[ThinkCritically]

I'm retracting my support for her. I'll vote for ANY other democrat. I've listened to a lot of nonsense about Bernie and I could deal with that. I've listened to a lot of nonsense about Bernie supporters and I don't like it but I understand it's part of the game. But as soon as the presumptive democratic nominee starts courting republicans with conservative rhetoric, I'm out. That is a FAKE democrat. A phony. A puppet. She will not get my vote if she goes that route.

This is an HONEST criticism of her. She is already doing it and it sucks. The people she is courting are republican war hawks. People who liked Bush and thought he did a swell job after 9/11. It makes my stomach turn!

[SFnomad]

1. Tick tock, tick tock ... less than 24 hours to go n/t

[ThinkCritically]

2. I guess I need to use my time wisely!

Any criticisms I have of Hillary Clinton are not criticisms of her supporters. I hope no one here takes it that way.

[Hortensis]

18. ThinkCritically, please rethink. Our elected

officials are supposed to serve all the people, and half of the people of our nation are conservative, and proudly so (usually). They're not going anywhere, we're not going anywhere, and we can't be at war with ourselves if we are going to advance our nation.

Conservatives have been deluded into moving to the far right through the investment of billions of dollars in mass manipulations over 40 years, but that doesn't mean many aren't finally looking around in 2016 and realizing they have been lead deep into a hole they never intended.

In 2016 we have a chance to draw a few people out of that hole, to break the hold rapacious special interests have on them and thus on our local, state, and federal governments.

You want to see government cleaned up? Well, this is a critically necessary step - to build the kind of united progressive majority that FDR had in the '30s so that we can do it too. The chance the implosion of the GOP gives us means our leaders absolutely have a duty to try.

[NorthCarolina]

104. Trust me, at the end of her campaign you still won't really know where she stands on anything. -nt-

[Hekate]

129. HRC has a long liberal record, which is WHY the RW hates her so. Look it up...

Oh I know, you won't believe it even if you see who's keeping score, but it's there nonetheless. They hate her guts, and nearly every bit of negative crap posted here had it's origins in Newt Gingrich's foul head 25 years ago.

Newt wants to bring back HUAC, btw, and Roger Stone says that Huma Abedeen's presence as one of Hillary's most trusted advisors proves the Radical Islamic infiltration goes right to the top.

[NorthCarolina]

168. I wasn't born yesterday. I've been a registered Democrat since 1976. I know all I need to know

about the Clinton's. Neither are "Liberal" in any sense of the term. Perhaps you are the one that needs to "Look it up".

[Hortensis]

182. NC, HUAC is the House Unamerican Activities Committee.

Look it up. Gingrich wants to bring it back so that defending Muslims and decrying police abuse of Muslims on DU could literally result in being blacklisted and unable to get a job or licensed for the profession being studied. Lots of conservatives will support that literally because the Democratic Party opposes it.

[pottedplant]

130. how is she

going to "break the hold on special interests" when she is bought and paid for? As for the cleaned up government and progressive majority you hope to attain, it isn't happening with her at the helm. There is no way in the world I'm voting for Henry kissinger's good friend and Robert kagan's favorite candidate. She's given up on courting the left, conservative support is her only option.

[Live and Learn]

5. LOL Let the lock step begin. To hell with the First Amendment. nt

[SFnomad]

8. The First Amendment has NOTHING to do with this place, do you understand the First Amendment?

Do you even understand what your First Amendment rights protect?

[Live and Learn]

13. Do you? Would you even care if they were taken away? nt

[SFnomad]

15. Clearly you don't know what your 1A rights are ... you might want to look it up or have someone

explain it to you. We're not in danger of losing our 1A rights anytime soon.

[Live and Learn]

25. Free speech certainly won't apply here and you are just fine with that.

I'm cool with it too.

[SFnomad]

29. If this website censors what you can say, your 1A "Freedom of Speech" rights have NOT been violated

You still don't understand your 1A rights and what they protect. 1A does NOT protect your "Freedom of Speech" here against the wishes of the DU Admins

[Live and Learn]

47. I never said it did. Enjoy your censorship. I will be using my First Amendment rights elsewhere. n

[SFnomad]

50. Yes you did post #5 .... "LOL Let the lock step begin. To hell with the First Amendment."

But hey, it's easier to say you didn't say that, than to admit you don't understand the 1st Amendment.

[Live and Learn]

52. Comprehension, much? nt

[SFnomad]

55. Clearly my comprehension skills are better than yours n/t

[Live and Learn]

58. In your mind, I am sure they are. nt

[SFnomad]

60. And in reality as well ... you should really quit before you embarrass yourself any more n/t

[Live and Learn]

68. Pretty obvious your unable to feel it. Reality apparently differs for us. nt

[SFnomad]

71. You can have your own opinions, but not your own facts ...

When you find yourself in a hole, you should quit digging.

[Live and Learn]

72. Why not? You sure do. nt

[SFnomad]

73. Ok, enough with you ... let me know when you understand your 1A rights ... buh bye n/t

[Live and Learn]

76. Ohhh, I'm going to miss you so. Don't forget to come up for another breather sometime. nt

[SFnomad]

80. buh bye n/t

[Live and Learn]

82. You already said that. Are you stuck on repeat mode? nt

[SFnomad]

83. What part didn't you understand .. the buh ... or the bye? buh bye n/t

[Live and Learn]

85. You really are stuck. Reprogram time. nt

[Number23]

163. Definitely true, but is that really saying much of anything?

[Broward]

46. Most right-wing authoritarians don't. There are plenty of those posting here.

[Live and Learn]

70. You got that right. I think I hooked a couple. nt

[Hekate]

137. DU is privately owned and operated. Do you think the Admins (ie the owners) are RW authoritarians?

Certain rules of civility apply here, and the TOS (which you should read) also applies. If DU were owned and operated by the US government you might be able to invoke the First Amendment (up to a point, ie libel laws and such) but NOT in a privately owned web site.

[TwilightZone]

17. So, you know nothing about the First Amendment.

Gotcha.

[Live and Learn]

23. You got nothing. I don't do lock step. nt

[TwilightZone]

36. Nor do you do facts.

If you don't have even a basic understanding of the First Amendment, don't expect people to take you seriously.

[Live and Learn]

51. Ridiculous. You are the one that doesn't understand. Someday you may. nt

[Hekate]

138. It's a privately owned website, not a newspaper. Sorry Charlie.

[Live and Learn]

169. Still censorship. I never said it violated MY first Amendment rights, now did I?

I said, 'To Hell with the First Amendment,' meaning there are some here (and you know who you are) that wouldn't mind getting rid of it altogether as long as they got to pick what could be said. The proof is in the pudding.

[deathrind]

167. Private censorship

Does not violate the 1st amendment from a legal standpoint.

Having said that it does violate the spirit of the law...but the "letter" of a law and the "spirit" of a law are two separate issues.

[tabasco]

153. jr. high school

[SFnomad]

156. Yeah, that's what I think about OPs like this too n/t

[earthshine]

185. So, it's fine by you that she plays with republicans instead of progressives ...

... because that's who she is. She's far closer to a republican in ideology than a traditional Dem like me.

And your constant tick tock nonsense is nothing less than weak fascism.

[MineralMan]

3. She won't need to do that. Many Republicans will vote for her

as a vote against Trump. In fact, that's why she'll win in a landslide. I predict that she'll have over 350 electoral votes.

Cross-party votes have always played a role in presidential elections. She doesn't have to court them. She just has to make her case for election. People decide for themselves regarding their votes.

[seabeckind]

34. Hard to fight a 55% disapproval.

I'm afraid you have no idea how strong the not-Hillary feeling is.

So where is this case?

Young people use a different method of communication. Bernie tapped into that channel. The DNC robocalls and sends letters.

I'm far from a young person. I don't have a landline. My wife and I have separate lines. Neither one of us answer the phone unless we recognize the number. Much of our communication is thru text and email. We have separate emails.

Where we depart from the young people is in social media but we both have FB and monitor twitter.

I haven't watched a pundit show in years. My wife even longer. I get my news thru the internet with feeds and then research it.

Now please stop it. The future depends on it cause we need those young people to get there.

[MineralMan]

39. Please stop what?

You will do as you please. Everyone will. I also use different methods of communication, and I'll be 71 years old next month. Aside from online communications, I do something people used to do more. I walk my own precinct, knocking on every door, during the campaign. I talk to people, register them to vote, answer their questions about candidates, hand out campaign literature and encourage them to vote. That's my main method of contact.

If you live in my precinct, I'll be knocking on your door, too. I'll be the old guy with white hair and beard and a big smile. I'd love to talk to you about the election and what it means for you and your household.

And no, I will not stop doing those things, until I stop breathing.

[seabeckind]

64. Not listening.

I gave you examples why what you believe doesn't work with a large segment of the population. And then you reiterated the things you are doing that I already gave reasons for ineffectiveness.

I have my own life and problems and I don't want to sit and talk to you about the election. I feel the same way about that as I do the 7th day people.

It's not the fault of other people who fail to accept your message. Your message has to adapt to those people. The tactics that you espouse work great on a certain segment of the population. Ones like you.

[AntiBank]

122. Hard to fight a 55% disapproval.<<< not when Trump is at 70%

The farther off the right-wing cliff the Repuggies go, the simpler it is for the systemic controllers to ram the Dems to the centre right.

Thats the shit sandwich of the the 2 party system.

[brooklynite]

125. The sun will come out tomorrow...

[AntiBank]

127. I dunno, its been raining for days here in Stockholm, lolol

[pnwmom]

177. And you have no idea how strong not-Trump feeling is. The WA post survey

out this week said Hillary had a negative -11 approval rating.

Which sounds bad till they mention that Trump had a negative -41 approval rating.

[AgingAmerican]

77. Hillary is driving his support

They are moving to him to stop her. Republicans will never vote for her ever.

[Hekate]

134. GOP women will stand in the voting booths and contemplate the orange misogynist....

I'm betting a significant percentage vote for Hillary.

Mormons will stand in the voting booths and contemplate their religious history of being persecuted out of one state after another vis a vis the Islamaphobe's desire to round people up based on their religion.

I'm betting they leave that spot blank, even if they can't make themselves vote for Hillary.

Latinos have been the sleeping giant in US politics, and they are long gone from the GOP.

You have no idea.

[AgingAmerican]

157. Will never happen

Republicans won't vote for Clinton in any significant numbers. It just won't happen. They have them selves convinced that she is a lesbian witch. They are seriously deluded people. They exist in an information bubble. If Hillary looks to them for support, then she is just plain stupid IMHO.

[Hekate]

158. Do you understand the concept of swing voters AT ALL?

They are in the middle. They are persuadable. They are moderate Democrats and moderate Republicans.

THESE are the voters ANY presidential candidate must "court," or s/he will lose the General Election.

Bernie, in the estimation of many of us Democrats, would be incapable of courting them, because he is sooooooo pure that he cannot tailor his core message to a larger audience.

But you go on with your CDS and predictions of doom. Thanks for your input.

[wyldwolf]

4. Interesting - a few months ago Bernie folks were all in on him...

... courting Republicans.

[SFnomad]

9. +1 n/t

[Live and Learn]

10. The Third Way began recruiting them long ago with the DLC and the Clintons as founders.

It is easy to see that the party has been infiltrated with them.

[think]

11. Not by praising George W Bush. Bernie courted them based on the same issues he was promoting to

Democrats...

[wyldwolf]

118. So you think Bernie was going to win the Republican votes by not praising them?

[think]

120. Bernie wasn't sucking up to Bush who condoned torture & went to war on lies like Hillary is doing.

He might be very polite with the GOP VOTERS and try very hard to get them to consider his issues. But he's not going to ignore the horrible Bush legacy and paint over it with rosy praise....

[wyldwolf]

126. So you think Bernie was going to win the Republican votes by not praising them?

[think]

132. Hillary can praise war pigs who tortured all she wants. Bernie won't stoop to that level

Most Republican I know want nothing to do with Bush because even they know he was a horrible president.

I don't believe Bernie has to heap praise where it doesn't belong to win over Republican voters. Most Republicans who would consider voting for him is because they believe he's honest even if they don't agree on every issue.

[wyldwolf]

133. Fortunately for us, we'll never find out.

[think]

135. Did George W Bush condone torture? Did he send us to war based on lies? Do you think he deserves

praise after what he did in office?

[wyldwolf]

136. We'll never have to find out how many people Bernie Sanders would scare and run off from the party

[think]

140. Deflect much?

[wyldwolf]

141. Lose much?

[think]

142. And you deflect again. Way to double down...

[wyldwolf]

143. And you'll lose next time, too

[think]

145. Can't give an honest answer so you must toss out taunts. Got ya....

[wyldwolf]

147. can't win an election so you must toss out rhetorical questions. Got ya...

[think]

148. If the questions are rhetorical then I assume you believe Bush did condone torture, lied us into war

and shouldn't be getting praised for his service by Democrats.

Thank you...

[wyldwolf]

149. the questions are rhetorical and are only being asked because Bernie lost and lost badly

Thank you.

[think]

150. Hillary heaped praise on Bush the GOP war pig who tortured. But Hillary supported torture back then

and voted for his dirty war so they do a lot in common.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/feb/01/barack-obama/clinton-changed-on-torture/

[wyldwolf]

151. Bernie couldn't win an election because he was incompetent ...

... and Will never get a chance to even try to bring people together.

[chwaliszewski]

166. Alright, wolf. Direct question for you.

What is your opinion of George W. Bush?

[wyldwolf]

179. Irrelevant

[chwaliszewski]

180. Nice avoidance.

That's about what I expected from you.

[wyldwolf]

181. It's completely irrelevant. I'm not running for president or trying to get votes

I realize that kind of strategic thinking is alien to "progressives" like you, but that really isn't my problem.

[wyldwolf]

186. I think you're surprised when someone gives it right back to you.

[NorthCarolina]

172. Bernie was courting Independents. Thos who have divested from both parties because they

had eyes wide open and could plainly see that neither political party represents their best interests. They will not turn out for Hillary, and you are kidding yourself if you think that not the case. She will win or lose on the basis of votes she receives from the Democratic party. From the conservative wing of the Democratic party to be sure. Perhaps a few like minded Republicans will vote for her, but not in the numbers she would need. Hillary will never be 45 unless all means of establishment control over the elections work flawlessly. The world will be watching though, and after the fraud perpetrated during this primary I expect they will be doing so very closely.

[wyldwolf]

178. Bernie was courting Republicans

[blackspade]

152. And therein lies the difference that Clinton supporters don't get...

And never will.

Their finger pointing at Sanders is just an unclever dodge.

[seabeckind]

40. Courting people

who happened to be republicans.

Courting people who happened to be independents.

The people who support Bernie understand the differences.

He was courting people who saw the same future he does, not changing his future to match their beliefs.

[workinclasszero]

45. Yes they use to brag about all the republicans that were going to

vote for Bernie. Bernie gave a speech at a hardcore right wing college tryin to get republicans to vote for him and they said it was a great thing.

Now that Hillary won the nomination its suddenly EVVVVVVVIL for any republican to vote for her.

I'm so sick of the double standard BS on this board!

[Scootaloo]

57. Well, two things.

First, he never courted Republicans." He had no outreach effort to Republicans. Nevertheless, he did catch some small amount of crossover support.

...Which Clinton supporters went fucking bugshit over. Oh, here was "proof" that Sanders and Trump were colluding! That Sanders supporters were all evil right-wingers! Shame on him for catering to Republicans! Clear proof of how much he hates Demographic Group X! Etc. etc.

All while, of course, Clinton had actual outreach efforts to Republicans, was taking money from Jeb!'s donors, etc.

Which Clinton supporters argued was fine. Unlike Bernie getting some sliver of Republcian voters in open primaries.

So that's that.

[sweetloukillbot]

66. Apart from speaking at Liberty College?

[workinclasszero]

79. Gee the berners forgot all about Bernie's republican outreach

Go figure.

[pansypoo53219]

67. BUT BERNIE did not GO RIGHTWARD, he pulled them to the left.

HILLARY is NOT pulling them LEFT.

[KoKo]

103. Exactly! n/t

[vintx]

146. Sad that her supporters are incapable of grasping this concept on their own

Thanks for trying to explain, but wilfull ignorance is something only the person ignoring reality can fix.

[Hekate]

139. The hypocrisy is stunning. smh

[AgingAmerican]

6. Republicans will never, ever vote for her

She and her supporters fantasize that Republican women will vote for her because she is female, but if you talk to Republican women, they think she is a lesbian and a witch.

If she 'tacks to the right' then she loses support from the Democratic base. Incompetence and right wing go hand in hand.

[HereSince1628]

12. There are already many "Refugee Republicans" abandoning Trump

the battle against Trump will likely draw together neoliberals camped near the center right.

[AgingAmerican]

16. They will not vote for Hillary

[HereSince1628]

21. Is your crystal ball using cable, satellite or a digital antenna?

[CorkySt.Clair]

28. The absolute certainty of that posters every utterance here makes me chuckle.

[okasha]

117. Or is it a brown glass bottle,?

[bettyellen]

14. Every candidate gets cross over voters. When SBS talked about outreach he was lauded. And her spread

With republican women vs men mirrors the 20% gap you also see in Dems.
Those 20% of misogynists who won't vote for her will have nowhere to go this Novemeber except for Trump. I'm going to enjoy her historic win without them.

[AgingAmerican]

20. Hillary will get zero Republican votes

And she seeks same at the risk of abandoning half the Democratic party.

Tacking to the right is stupid.

Name one right wing policy that has been good for the country. There are zero.

[bettyellen]

26. Of course she will, every candidate does. Tons of republicans hate Trump enough.....

That this will be a banner year for cross overs and HRC will not have to lift a finger other than to acknowledge she is running to be the president for ALL of us. Pretending that republicans are not also a diverse lot is as moronic as trying to pretend they do not exist. She will get loads of Indy voters too- 80% of Sanders people. It will be a rout. And the end of the importance of the angry white male voter. HA.

[AgingAmerican]

41. Then she will lose

Which right wing policies do you support her taking up?

For every right wing policy she adopts, she abandons a Democratic position.

Hillary will get zero right wing votes.

[bettyellen]

49. She doesn't need to shift RW or to adopt Sanders policies either--a lanslide is the prediction.

Still not so good with math I guess?

[AgingAmerican]

56. Republicans will never vote for her

Ever. Tacking to the right will be a disaster for her.

[bettyellen]

59. You keep repeating yourself as if that will make it true.

Some Repulicans cross over. It's impossible for your statement to be true. Sad and delusional.

[grossproffit]

88. Sad and delusional is right. I can't wait for tomorrow.

[Squinch]

154. He's clicking the heels of his red sparkly shoes while he says it, so that will help a little.

But still you are right and saying that no Republicans will vote for Hillary is moronic.

[TwilightZone]

19. That must be why people like Susan Collins are publicly talking about supporting her.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong about everything?

[comradebillyboy]

7. God forbid she should try to broaden her base and win the election.

Too bad she can't pass your absurd purity test.

[think]

22. Hillary should do it by promoting the Democratic issues not by praising the likes of George W Bush.

Bush lied to get us into the Iraq war, condoned torture, and plunged America into darkness and debt.

Hillary's obvious effort to overlook the Bush administration's malfeasance & dysfunctionality is pathetic pandering and detrimental to Democratic ideals...

[Lord Magus]

98. She isn't doing anything of the sort.

Quit lying.

[think]

99. Hillary Clinton invokes unlikely allies on the stump — the Bushes

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hillary-clinton-invokes-unlikely-allies-000000292.html

Is she talking about how rotten George W Bush or is she sucking up to that worm in those comments?

[pokerfan]

161. "It's a big club and we ain't in it!"

George Carlin in 2005:

Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don’t. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own, and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought, and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want . . .

Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I’ll tell you what they don’t want, they don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that, that doesn’t help them. That’s against their interests. That’s right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table and think about how badly they’re getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fuckin' years ago. They don’t want that.

You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork. And just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your fuckin' retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street and you know something? They’ll get it . . . they’ll get it all from you sooner or later cause they own this fuckin' place.

It’s a big club and you ain't in it. You and I are not in The big club. By the way, it’s the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head with their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table has tilted folks. The game is rigged and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people . . . white collar, blue collar it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on. Good honest hard-working people continue, these are people of modest means . . . continue to elect these rich cocksuckers who don’t give a fuck about you. They don’t give a fuck about you . . . they don’t give a fuck about you. They don’t care about you at all . . . at all . . . at all, and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. That’s what the owners count on. The fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that’s being jammed up their assholes everyday, because the owners of this country know the truth. It’s called the American Dream cause you have to be asleep to believe it . . .

[chwaliszewski]

170. +1,000,000,000

C'mon, Hillary fans. You honestly can't be that blind or ignorant. Seriously. Do you think Hillary cares about you or do you just believe it to be true? If she wins the GE, I honestly believe the absolute best that she could do, if she wanted to, is keep things from getting any worse. That's it. Her and Bill will be billionaires when this is all over.

[ThinkCritically]

24. It's the people she is courting that worries me.

It's what policies will actually come out of that courting that is scary. The republicans she are trying to cross over are heavy war hawks. That's not exactly the kind of outreach she should be doing. If she wants cross overs, she could easily get them without advocating for more war.

[Amaril]

35. Are you seriously saying

that you are OK -- ecstatic, in fact -- with a presumptive Democratic nominee that appeals more to Republicans than to Democrats? Seriously. Saying that.

[comradebillyboy]

44. I am not saying anything of the sort

But I am OK with her trying to win as many votes as possible. Making the tent bigger is a better strategy than imposing arbitrary purity tests. That's also how Dems win back the senate and make progress in the house. Your guy lost because his appeal is much narrower than Clinton's.

[Miles Archer]

62. "Broaden her base" also shrinks it

There's no way that this is a "winning strategy" across the boards.

She'll win some, she'll lose some, and she'll probably still beat Trump, and I'm not one of the "Clinton winning is all that matters" people.

I still see her candidacy as "it's better than Trump." I think we deserve more, and we simply aren't going to get it in this election cycle.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

102. Yup. I see Hillary's candidacy as just a speed bump

while Trump is a disaster waiting to happen. We can survive more of the centrist same-old-same-old but I'm not sure what sort of catastrophe Trump might visit upon us. She's better than Trump (a low bar, to be sure) but that's what we're stuck with until a good progressive candidate comes along that can overcome the DNC Politburo.

[0rganism]

87. i don't know that she has to "broaden her base" at all to win and win big

if trump is the GOP nominee, he does all that work for her up front, for free, no advance compromises required.
if it's someone else, they start from an awkward position, probably lose a high % of the trump voters right off the bat, and will be on campaign life support from day one. and that's assuming trump doesn't flip his shit and run an indy campaign of his own.

running to the center now, before the convention, is like flushing wads of money down the toilet -- it's expensive, it doesn't buy you anything, and it might just fuck up your plumbing. there's no good reason for it.

rather than triangulating to an artificially conservative center, she could be focused on shifting the center to her preferred positions.

[FreakinDJ]

27. Actually - that is a 3rd Way Democrat

and ....

[MoonRiver]

30. ...

[ThinkCritically]

31. Keep sleeping through the election.

[MoonRiver]

63. I will only be sleeping through the election irrelevancies.

[MisterP]

32. "if you don't vote for the Republican, the Republicans win!"

[ThinkCritically]

33. +1

[WayBeyondBlue]

48. Truman said it right:

"Given a choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for the real Republican every time"

I for one can hardly wait to see how this election will turn out.

[Broward]

37. She's already gone after Bush donors. She's a right-winger.

[WayBeyondBlue]

54. Nah

She just loves money and wealth.

[OKNancy]

78. No. she is not a right-winger

[John Poet]

113. When it comes to foreign policy, she IS a right-winger.

And if you voted for her, what do you suppose that makes you?

[Miles Archer]

115. I'd like to think that even you will admit...

...that a host of the Clinton group coming into this conversation with nothing more than "No. she is not a right-winger" hardly ends that particular discussion.

I'd like to think that. I could be wrong.

Look, since you are here...I wish you well, I wish you luck. I don't participate in your group and Clinton is not my candidate, but I also respect your right to choose what you feel is right for you.

[WayBeyondBlue]

38. For some of us this was a showstopper long ago.

The Clintons first made me think about the idea that, a Democrat fron Arkansas is a Republican everywhere else, except maybe Texas.

[Vogon_Glory]

42. Tick-tock, tick-tock says the clock

Tomorrow such posts will be placed on "block."

[totodeinhere]

61. Constructive criticism will be allowed.

Of course, what qualifies as constructive criticism remains to be seen.

[WayBeyondBlue]

65. So tomorrow we'll go Green

You can keep your STFU Party

[leftofcool]

74. Actually, no you won't

Advocating for a 3rd party will be against the TOS.

[WayBeyondBlue]

81. Thanks for making my point

I'll honor the TOS by not posting. How does one cancel their account?

[tammywammy]

114. You log out and don't come back

Or just don't advocate against democrats and you can stay.

[Lil Missy]

43. Many will vote for her because Trump is so horrible.

[chwaliszewski]

171. I'm glad you brought that up.

If that is all you have to go on, then it truly is a sad day in politics. Suppose that the RNC actually comes up with a way to convince Trump to drop out (bribe, etc) and all of a sudden, the Republican candidate is someone that conservatives will get behind. Now Hillary will scramble to court the left vote that she is dismissing with her current actions because of her loss of the right's support for her. Don't think it's possible?

[Lil Missy]

174. Your premise is false. Try to follow the topic posited in the OP.

[chwaliszewski]

176. Wrong. My hypothesis is possible.

Try to follow the topic? I was replying to your comment. The OP topic has nothing to do with my reply to you.

[obamanut2012]

53. lolz you guys!

[procon]

69. Every successful public speaker targets their audience.

Politicians are (in)famous for courting various demographic groups, so why would you think this is suddenly a strange concept? Hillary has a perfect opportunity, especially this year when so many Republicans are running away from Trump, to siphon off a big chunk of those voters and snatch away any hope for a Trump victory.

Don't trash the whole concept of Democrats as the Big Tent Party who welcomes everyone from radical leftists to left leaning crossover Republicans. This was one of Sanders major shortcomings, he was too rigid, too locked into one major demographic bloc, to ever make it in a general election where candidates MUST attract voters from every subset to win. Your "honest" critique, like Sanders views, is too narrow and ideologically based to be realistic in today's volatile election process.

[OKNancy]

75. Sanders spoke in front of Liberty University.

That doesn't mean he is changing his positions. Clinton is not changing any of her positions or policies.
She is "courting" moderate Republicans who hate Trump. It's not that they love Clinton that much, they just realize that she is much better for the USA than Trump. They are pragmatists.
Hopefully the smart left of the Democratic party will do the same.

[grossproffit]

89. On Rosh Hashana to boot.

[azurnoir]

84. If?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511907828

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511931711

[Proud Liberal Dem]

86. Depends on what you mean by "courts"

It's fair for her to want to win as many votes as possible and take advantage of the anti-Trump sentiment. I mean, Obama won with a lot of crossover votes from Republicans and tried to foster unity with them after the election but he obviously didn't become a Republican. Unless Hillary starts actually adopting the Republican platform in whole or in part, I'm fine with her. No signs so far that this is what we are talking about here.

[peacebird]

95. Are you fine with them wanting Condi Rice advising on foreign affairs?

It was in Guccifers DNC docs yesterday

[Proud Liberal Dem]

119. I'll wait for a more "official" source on that one

n/t

[stevenleser]

90. I would like to think no DUer would need this explained to them. However, just in case...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512200908#post67

[DemocratSinceBirth]

91. Trump = Franco/Marcos/Batista/Somoza/Trujilo/Reza Pahlavi/Sigmund Rhee

He is a radical departure from democratic norms and respect for the rule of law. He is not Hitler but he is an authoritarian. If any Republican feels closer to Hillary than Trump I don't have a large problem with it.

[Hekate]

160. Psst

Syngman Rhee

[Nonhlanhla]

92. If progressives insist on being an unreliable voting block...

...then they leave Democrats with little choice but to court more moderate/centrist votes.

It's as simple as that.

In any case, I thought courting Republican votes was a good thing..when Bernie did it.

[MFM008]

93. I hate republicans

But that's ME. A politician is supposed to represent ALL their constituents ..especially the POTUS. I think she is trying to appeal to ALL reasonable persons.

[Buzz cook]

94. If she doesn't reach out to republicans she's an idiot.

I don't know how many times its been pointed out that many republicans are voting against their own best interests. On the economy most republicans do better under a democratic. There are fewer abortions and less teen pregnancy when democrats control government. The list goes on.

It would be silly if Clinton didn't reach out to those people.

[MyNameGoesHere]

96. President of America which unfortunately includes Republicans

I am afraid we will get more support from them than the Sanders political party.

[RobertEarl]

97. Huh? Bush is good and Bernie is bad?

I read this thread and see some making excuses for Hillary reaching out to Bush and his supporters.

On another thread I read where some were making excuses for Hillary thumbing her nose at Bernie and his supporters.

And all I can think is that tomorrow Skinner will put an end to all that.

[w4rma]

100. The "censorship" isn't going to go like the Clintonite neoliberals think it will go. (nt)

[RobertEarl]

101. I hope so

You and I both got censored for posting an image of a quote of a certain someone. We both had our posts hidden. I'd like to think that such hides will be overridden in the near future due to the changes coming.

[w4rma]

105. They won't be necessary, because 'protected' anti-Semites won't be able to smear Democrats. (nt)

[RobertEarl]

106. That would be great!

Sure cure part of what makes DU suck.

I read between the lines of the admins' words and I see a great disturbance in that force. And I recall the Lincoln quote about fooling some of the people some of the time.

Hopefully the days of being fooled are over.

[w4rma]

107. Agreed. I honestly don't know what they'll talk about since they won't be able to smear Bernie.

And, nothing about this general election thing, will change my postings. And, Clinton will still be criticized from the left, just like she always has.

[Miles Archer]

108. No, it's not

That hasn't prevented them from salivating over "Monday," however. "Civil discussions" and "Constructive criticism" won't be entirely up to members of the "Clinton Group" lucky enough to land jury duty. They can vote, and the decisions can be appealed, and I believ we will see a lot of that.

The plethora of "Monday" posts simply tell me that there are a lot of people here celebrating something they're not going to get...at least not in the degree that they're expecting.

[w4rma]

109. Yup. They are authoritarians and think in authoritarian terms. They do not see what is coming. (nt)

[Martin Eden]

110. Not sure what you mean by "courting"

I would expect the Democratic candidate -- whether Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders or anyone else -- to court all voters by making the case for the policies in the Democratic platform and/or by pointing out why Donald Trump would be a disaster for our country.

[RandySF]

111. And where were you

When Bernie courted Liberty University?

[Vinca]

116. He didn't "court" Liberty University. He spoke there and he didn't change his tune for their

benefit. A POTUS has to represent all the people, not some of the people. It's not a crime to speak to people you normally don't have much in common with. The problem with Hillary courting Republicans at this point is there will be something expected in return if she's elected thanks to them. Especially if any elected officials from the right get behind her. I don't want to be in a Bill Clinton-style presidency situation where they come up with legislation and it gets signed just to get something done. The GOP wants to gut everything they pile into their "entitlement" file and at this point I don't trust Hillary not to go along to get along.

[kstewart33]

121. Hillary should go wherever she wants for votes.

If Bernie and company think anyone should be able to vote in the Democratic primaries/caucuses, then Republicans can surely vote for a Democrat.

[Dem2]

123. Is this your first election?

This is how it's done. Winning is important. Kissing the ass of the most petulant supporters has proven to be a loser historically.

[brooklynite]

124. You realizw that EVERY winning Democratic candidate make outreach to Republcans?

...and that not every Republican is a Tea Party kook / bible thumper?

[Hekate]

128. ....And that's why Bernie lost the primary, and would lose the GE yuuuuugely.

Apparently all your critical thinking doesn't include the utter political FACT that NOBODY wins a General Election without appealing to the MIDDLE, which is where ALL the SWING VOTES ARE.

[riversedge]

131. Were you as outraged when Sanders was courting Republicans?

[jfern]

144. She's Joe Liberman with better PR

[jamese777]

155. From the American Conservative Union in 2014

"Another interesting fact in our analysis is the stark reminder that Sec. Hillary Clinton is no moderate. While many in the media portray her as more centrist than self-described Socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) or fringe activist Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA), Clinton’s lifetime rating of 8.13% is within two percentage points from those extremists. And shockingly, all three of these presidential hopefuls are even more liberal than President Barack Obama’s Lifetime Rating of 10% from when he served in the U.S. Senate. If America wants a third Obama term, three candidates will not disappoint."
An American Conservative Union voting rating of 100 is perfect conservative for example Marco Rubio's rating is 97%.
In every presidential election there are Republicans who vote for the Democrat and vice-versa. They don't need to be "courted." Barack Obama got 8% of registered Republcans in 2008 and 6% in 2012.
What's happening this year is that there are Republicans pubicly announcing that they can't vote for Trump and there are Democrats who can't vote for Clinton. They will most likely cancel each other out.

[baldguy]

159. And one of Sanders' big selling points was that he would attract "independents"

- i.e. sane Republicans.

[azmom]

162. They hate her guts.

[DJ13]

164. When Obama courted conservatives in 08 I applauded him

I thought it was not only a good idea to win the election, but after 8 yrs of Bush a good way to win many of them over to our party.

After Obama was sworn in, and we started seeing his choices to run his administration, it became obvious he felt nost comfortable running a moderate conservative (GOP with a D) administration, and the progressives and liberals who invested so much time, money, and energy getting him the office were the ones who ended up without a true party, and the moderate conservatives who we thought were being sold some lame bs to win the election were actually the real winners when Obama won.

I see the same excuses about "needing them" if Hillary wants to win, but I also see more of the same duplicity in this idea as well.

Its no longer quite so easy to play the same game 3 elections in a row and get away with it.

[deathrind]

165. No surprise.

On this. HRC has a lot of common ground with the right so it is only natural that she would court the right for votes.

[senz]

173. Her natural constituency.

Welcome to the truth.

[pnwmom]

175. The more Bernie people who say they won't vote for her, the more centrists she'll need

to win the election.

So it's self-defeating if progressives threaten not to vote for her. It just pushes her to the middle.

[Orsino]

184. She's running for president of the United States, not just of Democrats.

She's going to be courting all Republicans, because that's her job.

[MADem]

187. Really? You'd better not read THIS Dec 2015 link, then--I think it might up-end your world view....

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/12/27/bernie-sanders-wants-trump-voters/

Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders said on Sunday he thinks he can persuade supporters of Republican front runner Donald Trump to back him in the 2016 race.

Mr. Sanders of Vermont said on CBS’s “Face the Nation” that his message about economic inequality can appeal to Trump backers who are angry about lower wages and job losses.

“Many of Trump’s supporters are working-class people and they are angry,” Mr. Sanders said. “What Trump has done successfully, I would say, is take that anger, take that anxiety about terrorism and say to a lot of people in this country, look, the reason for our problems is because of Mexicans…or he says about the Muslims, they are all terrorists, and we got to keep them out of this country.”

Mr. Sanders said he aims to sway working- and middle-class Trump supporters that the Republican’s policies are ill-suited to placate their fears.