Whether he succeeds or not in the coming months and perhaps years ahead, Bernie Sanders

[Cal33]

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will be remembered in history as the one who had done all he could to fight against the
incredible corruption, greed and cruelty of the Big Business Corporations, that had brought
America to her knees into social, economic and political degradation.

I believe the movement started by him and Elizabeth Warren to return America to her
greatness of the post World War II years will be continued by their followers -- long after
the two of them will have retired from the political scene.

[Trust Buster]

1. The post WWII years left the U.S. as the only major economy not in ruins.

The other major economies have since rebounded and the rise of China and other Asian countries have made this world much more competitive world. Add to the that portability that digitalization and large container ships have affected a much smaller world where labor is concerned. You sound like the Republicans who wish we could go back to the 1950's. WE CAN'T !!!!

[Uncle Joe]

4. Bernie's proposed policies come closest to keeping the U.S. competitive in this much more

competitive world, whether it be major investments in education, infrastructure or economic stimulus policies.

[Trust Buster]

12. That's nice but, in this global economy, that still won't return us to a post WWII America as the

OP suggested.

[Uncle Joe]

15. It's not "nice" it's a requirement if you don't want the world to eventually be dominated

by other nations or mega-corporations.

You can build the greatest military in the world but if you allow your nation to rot from the inside, it's all to no avail.

I noticed your post down-thread, seemed to concede to corporate domination because of "technology" and it's a "new world" such a concession amounts to abandoning any concept of democracy and will eventually lead to national ruin.

[Cal33]

17. Very true, Uncle Joe, a super-nation rotting from the inside, will not stand for long, unless

it changes. And Bernie Sanders is trying to change this nation from the inside. The movement,
sparkled by Elizabeth, Occupy Wall Street and now being led by him, will be continued by the
supporters of all three of the above.

[Cal33]

5. More than anything else, it's the Corporations that have brought ruin to our nation. Don't you

see that? Maybe it's difficult to see, because Corporations always act from behind the scenes.
They're into everything for the sake of money and power, and by hook or by crook. Of course
they'd prefer people not knowing anything about what they do, and how they do it.

[Trust Buster]

11. Technology allows corporations to do that where they couldn't in the past.

It's a new world people. The OP wished we can go back to post WWII America. Well, we can't.

[rhett o rick]

20. Unless we get the corporations under control, we will go the way of Greece.

Some Democrats aren't worried as long as the Corporations dominate.

[Trust Buster]

22. Corporate America and Greece have absolutely nothing in common. Apples and oranges.

[rhett o rick]

23. To the Globalized Corporations Greece was easy pickens and the USofA is just a bigger fruit.

Things have been wonderful for the Rich, they've tripled their wealth in the last couple of decades while the 99% has been falling farther and farther behind. Do you foresee a change to this trend? It's right out of the "Capitalism will impoverish the world" playbook.

[Trust Buster]

24. Greece's economy represents a tiny fraction of ours. I don't see a relevant comparison.

[rhett o rick]

25. If one is interested discussing the size of the economies, you'd be spot on. That's not the point

and I think you are well aware of it. Capitalism, if left unchecked, will eat itself. It will take longer to decimate the USofA but the process has already started. The wealth gap is widening and many Americans obviously don't care.

[Trust Buster]

28. Due to technological advances, the movement of goods and information has never been able to

be economically transferred with such speed and economy throughout world history. This will not change. The U.S. must gear up for a more competitive environment. The good old days are exactly that - the good old days.

[rhett o rick]

30. Across the globe the wealth is being transferred from the 99% to the 1%

as capitalism would have it. I don't see anything stopping this trend, do you?

[Cal33]

29. All we need to really do is to put honesty, integrity and some caring for our fellow human beings

back into our government and big business corporations, and the problems will solve themselves.
Almost all our present problems are the result of boundless human selfishness and greed.

[rhett o rick]

31. Well we gave it a good shot and we will continue.

[FreakinDJ]

26. IF you only understood how Corp Taxes worked

Actually your response sounded like typical RATPUBLICONS rhetoric

[Trust Buster]

27. Acknowledging the new global economy paradigm is neither Republican or Democrat.

You don't seem to want a serious debate with your typical insults.

[Uncle Joe]

2. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Cal33.

[Cal33]

6. Many thanks!

[cali]

3. The movement was coalesced by him, rather than started by him

I think Occupy should get the kickstart credit.

[Cal33]

7. Yes, Occupy certainly deserves full credit. I'd love to see all like-minded people unite. It

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would be wonderful -- and practical, too.

Edit: Now I do remember Warren having said that Occupy Wall St. probably got their ideas
from her. I am glad they all played an important role.

[seabeckind]

8. I might question the chronology.

I think we did very well until the mid-80s.

At that point the union busting came into vogue, outsourcing in search of profits, mergers and acquisitions were unimpeded by anti-trust regulations, the banking regulations weren't being enforced, and the stage was set.

What I find so amazing is the the voodoo economics thing just went away as an issue and then implemented as a policy.

Then the third way, DLC, came in and built so much on top of it, culminating in the repeal of what few regs were left.

When a corporation can solve competition difficulties more cheaply by buying the competition, why would they work hard? Buy it and close the factory.

And then the divestiture of actual production divisions in the corporation and turning the corporation into nothing more than an accounting hq...

Oh well.

Here we are.

Would you like fries with that order? At least until a robot can work cheaper than I.

That was our choice.

(added) I wanted to work in the Beggar thy Neighbor issue where states bid their labor cheaper than other states but couldn't fng a good place to fit it.

[Cal33]

9. Yes, FDR's policies worked well for about 50 years, then they were changed. I firmly

believe that nothing we humans do - good or bad - is permanent. Whether we like it
or not, change will come. Ups are always followed by downs, and back again. In a
way, there is comfort in this, too. When we're in pain, we can think of the old
adage, "This, too, shall pass."

[840high]

10. Kick with love for Bernie

[Samantha]

13. Bernie's influence, his ideas, his suggestions, his work

will remain in our society while the bulk of his supporters continue to work for the goals he set out for us. Much has been done already that people do not realize.

300+ people are now running for elective office all over the Country on Bernie's platform. They are not taking corporate money to finance their elections. Additionally, when Bernie asked for a call for action for supporters sincerely interested in making a change to consider running for public office, approximately 7,000 people signed up at his website to get the information he was giving potential candidates to organize a campaign. This was just last week.

There is a political party getting up and running for the last year dedicated to the principle of removing from elected office those who represent the wealthy and corporate interests as opposed to the benefit of the people. They have a plan and they are implementing it as I type this post.

Bernie Sanders' fingerprints will be all over this society in changes we will see made slowly over the next few years. People who are now more aware of what they can do to change this country will step up to the plate and start doing.

I feel we owe Bernie Sanders so much for just showing people the way. He is an incredible politician and well as a great humanitarian.

Sam

[Cal33]

16. Thanks, Samantha. I knew that 6700 of his supporters had responded to his call to

run for public office, but I knew nothing of the rest of the info you have given. Yes,
one of Bernie's top priorities has always been to get more Progressives into the Senate
and the House, as well as the state and local governments, so that the White House and
states could get more things done.

Bernie's name will be remembered in the history books, for sure.

[Live and Learn]

14. K&R nt

[YouDig]

18. Actually it will be Obama and Hillary who will be remembered for restoring our nation.

Keeping us out of a depression and fixing the damage that W did.

[Orsino]

19. Sanders and Warren did not invent the revolution. They just cared enough to notice it.

We need their voices, and many more, in our government.

[rhett o rick]

21. OWS should get the credit, not that it really makes any difference but

those people, some of them, suffered greatly to expose the Tyrannical powers that rule us. The brutality that was brought down on them was a true indicator of what's to come. And those that shunned the OWS as they were beaten, sprayed and incarcerated without due process, are who we must fight on the front lines. They are the minions that support the Powers That Be.

[ucrdem]

34. Where was this fearless OWS during Bush-Cheney?

That's right, it didn't exist. It only turned up after the danger had passed and the mil-intel complex had been reigned in and made accountable to Congress by let's see, was it Jules? Glenn? No it was Democrats led by that evil authoritarian Barack Obama way back in early 2009 who did the heavy lifting. OWS only turned up when the coast was already clear. I'm not going to knock OWS but I don't see that it did squat legislatively and very little otherwise.

[Cal33]

35. I remember having read that Elizabeth Warren said Occupy Wall Street probably got

their ideas from her -- and they were welcome to them.

I'd be glad if and when people of the same mind would all agree to unite. They would
become bigger and have more clout. Agreed?

[Faux pas]

32. K N R-ed