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(47,476 posts)
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 09:54 PM Jun 2016

An expensive reminder that Sanders still hasn’t dropped out: His Secret Service detail

BURLINGTON, Vt. — When Sen. Bernie Sanders, the now-vanquished Democratic presidential candidate, returns Monday to Capitol Hill, he is expected to be accompanied by his constant traveling companions from the campaign trail: the Secret Service.

Although Hillary Clinton has clinched the party’s nomination, Sanders retains one of the trappings of a top-notch candidate: A team of agents still guards him at his home, where they’ve constructed a small watch station on the property. They travel with him on commercial and charter flights and use a motorcade to whisk him through cities he visits. And they marched alongside him during a gay-pride event here in his home town after the Orlando shootings.

Such round-the-clock protection can cost taxpayers more than $38,000 a day. And with the potential for the Secret Service to be watching over Sanders through the Democratic convention in Philadelphia in five weeks, taxpayers may get stuck with a big security bill long after his campaign receded from the daily cable-news cycle.

The continued security presence also reflects a larger reality of Sanders’s muddled standing in the race. He has virtually no chance of becoming the nominee, and he is no longer pressing his case to party leaders that he should. Yet Sanders — who has championed the interests of struggling Americans against “the billionaire class” — remains an active candidate because he has not “suspended” his campaign or taken any other steps that would alter his official ­status.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/an-expensive-reminder-that-sanders-still-hasnt-dropped-out-his-secret-service-detail/2016/06/19/a3f717c6-3555-11e6-8ff7-7b6c1998b7a0_story.html

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An expensive reminder that Sanders still hasn’t dropped out: His Secret Service detail (Original Post) question everything Jun 2016 OP
So good of you to be concerned. peace13 Jun 2016 #1
Disgusting. WAPO posted an anti-Sanders piece every hour during the primary. merrily Jun 2016 #2
Garbage Bozo Washington Post paper pushing trash stories...... Segami Jun 2016 #18
Tut-tut, now. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2016 #3
I don't appreciate that kind of wasted money... tallahasseedem Jun 2016 #4
how is it wasted? there have been threats of hopemountain Jun 2016 #5
Are you under the impression that SS people work by the hour? ebayfool Jun 2016 #7
This is a Sanders bash. SpareribSP Jun 2016 #6
Bernie should have should have secret service protection with people like this around jillan Jun 2016 #8
I don't begrudge him SS protection. cwydro Jun 2016 #9
Can't give up the Bernie bashing, can you? Vinca Jun 2016 #10
The Secret Service details does not bother me at all Nonhlanhla Jun 2016 #11
Not a big deal at all. Even if he drops out, I'd be fine with him keeping SS protection DanTex Jun 2016 #12
This bullshit again? blackspade Jun 2016 #13
In the grand scheme of things.. zenabby Jun 2016 #14
all of them need ss protection from the 'home growns' as they ripen and fall from their trees. Sunlei Jun 2016 #15
Republicans harp on crap like this AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #16
No, Sanders’ Secret Service Detail Isn’t Costing ‘Taxpayers’ $38,000 a Day alarimer Jun 2016 #17
2 of his offices shot at, 2 appearances where the stage was rushed magical thyme Jun 2016 #19

merrily

(45,251 posts)
2. Disgusting. WAPO posted an anti-Sanders piece every hour during the primary.
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 10:03 PM
Jun 2016

What did WAPO publish about Nancy Reagan's having a Secret Service detail until she passed?

Do we assume all animosity toward Sanders ceased when AP pronounced Hillary the nominee? Does anyone deserve to die because of running for President?

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
18. Garbage Bozo Washington Post paper pushing trash stories......
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 11:28 AM
Jun 2016
No, Sanders’ Secret Service Detail Isn’t Costing ‘Taxpayers’ $38,000 a Day


"...When FAIR reached out to the Secret Service for comment on the $38,000 figure, a spokesperson told us, just as they told the Post, that they “do not comment on the details of protection.”

This messaging trick has been used against Clinton, too, with stories such as “Investigating Hillary Clinton’s Emails Costs As Much As $13,000 A Day” (Vocativ, 3/29/16). In this case as well, a price tag is presented as though the FBI agents working her case would otherwise be fired if they weren’t kept busy with the email probe. But the FBI, like the Secret Service, doesn’t have 100 percent labor liquidity, rendering these type of cartoon breakdowns at best misleading and at worst demagogic...."

http://fair.org/home/no-sanders-secret-service-detail-isnt-costing-taxpayers-38000-a-day/

tallahasseedem

(6,716 posts)
4. I don't appreciate that kind of wasted money...
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 10:10 PM
Jun 2016

doesn't that go against what he's been preaching about? This is wasted money.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
5. how is it wasted? there have been threats of
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 01:40 AM
Jun 2016

bodily harm aimed at this candidate as have been made toward all of the top candidates.

neither party nor the american government would want to have one of the candidates harmed during a rally OR convention.

this is for the public good - not just the safety of the candidates. therefor, it is not "wasted money".

ebayfool

(3,411 posts)
7. Are you under the impression that SS people work by the hour?
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:02 AM
Jun 2016

Or that his detail would be laid off if he wasn't waiting for the convention? These people are getting paid, whether or not they are guarding Sanders. With all the wackjobs out there, I appreciate that he has that protection right through the convention.

If tables were turned, I'd also expect Clinton to avail herself of the same.

SpareribSP

(325 posts)
6. This is a Sanders bash.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 02:23 AM
Jun 2016

Sanders is still in the race until the convention. The $38,000 is an estimate, it probably isn't costing that much without him holding rallies and such.

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
11. The Secret Service details does not bother me at all
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 07:33 AM
Jun 2016

But I am bothered by the fact that he is not spending this time leading his followers towards unity by endorsing Hillary and pointing to the similarities between them. We have a seriously deluded GOP presumptive nominee to beat, and cannot afford not being unified and strong.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
12. Not a big deal at all. Even if he drops out, I'd be fine with him keeping SS protection
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 07:39 AM
Jun 2016

through the convention. He's still a national figure, and in the grand scheme of things, $38K per day is nothing for the US government.

zenabby

(364 posts)
14. In the grand scheme of things..
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:53 AM
Jun 2016

It's just another month. I am fine with him having secret service protection until the convention and nomination. It's a drop in the bucket really. But how long do you think the SS protection will continue?

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
17. No, Sanders’ Secret Service Detail Isn’t Costing ‘Taxpayers’ $38,000 a Day
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 11:11 AM
Jun 2016

That whole talking point is bullshit. The SS has an annual budget, as does every other federal agency. They get paid for doing their jobs, day and day out. These are not temp workers hired for a gig. In addition there are fixed costs (like vehicles) already accounted for in these budgets. The taxpayer is not going to somehow get that money back should Bernie drop out. They would just shift to doing whatever else they might do. That's it.

http://fair.org/home/no-sanders-secret-service-detail-isnt-costing-taxpayers-38000-a-day/

The sleight-of-hand comes from taking a specific budget item and assuming that if it wasn’t there, the costs associated with it would disappear rather than be displaced. Wagner does this by saying “protection can cost taxpayers more than $38,000 a day,” which gives the reader the impression that if Sanders dropped out, “taxpayers” would magically get back $38,000.
Does anyone think the Secret Service is going to fire the exact number of agents assigned to Sanders the day he drops out? Does anyone think the additional vehicles and equipment needed will quickly be pawned off and the money transferred over to Johnny Taxpayer? Does anyone repeating this talking point think that if the Sanders campaign had ended one week ago the US federal government would somehow be $166,000 richer?


 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
19. 2 of his offices shot at, 2 appearances where the stage was rushed
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 01:48 PM
Jun 2016

and wackos claiming on facebook that the only way to "get rid" of Sanders will be his funeral.

And Washington Post wants to help wannabe assassins along?

Billions of dollars wasted by inept, unethical and corrupt politicians, and they're whining about the supposed cost of protection through the process?

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