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I wish Hillary would stop attacking trump! (Original Post) Logical Jun 2016 OP
The Hillary camp is out to define Trump. Past time to do that! riversedge Jun 2016 #1
That's right mcar Jun 2016 #38
Yes, day by day--steady as she goes. riversedge Jun 2016 #43
Even if it isn't Trump, we can not quit defining him. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #2
It was never going to be Trump laserhaas Jun 2016 #3
I have been wondering if it was ever Trump. Evergreen Emerald Jun 2016 #9
On the contrary...the Romney Ryan kept themselves alive laserhaas Jun 2016 #15
The Republican old guard are huffing and puffing but ain't going to blow shit down Scootaloo Jun 2016 #18
The writing is on the wall laserhaas Jun 2016 #37
No. If they seriously dropped him he'd go Indy and they'd have a very split party. RBInMaine Jun 2016 #20
About the only thing that would make this circus better is seeing Trump cheated out of the nominatio spud_demon Jun 2016 #4
Are you kidding me. We've waited far far to long already. liberalnarb Jun 2016 #5
Honestly, athena Jun 2016 #6
Trump will be destroyed! His crowds are dropping and negatives going up. We want him. nt Logical Jun 2016 #10
The press making money off of him ..is over laserhaas Jun 2016 #16
Nah, hitting him and linking him to as many of the other Republicans as possible... TwilightZone Jun 2016 #7
indeed HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #8
No, you always must define the opponent and relentlessly attack him/her. There will be other ads RBInMaine Jun 2016 #21
latest polls show this 'tactic' not working as expected.... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #23
I feel the same way about Warren. peace13 Jun 2016 #11
Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!! BootinUp Jun 2016 #12
the gop has hitched themselves on the trump bandwagon drray23 Jun 2016 #13
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #14
Welcome to DU! brer cat Jun 2016 #17
It wouldn't matter who they try and run this year they will lose badly. It's better to just keep The_Casual_Observer Jun 2016 #19
The last thing we need is for Trump to disappear. B Calm Jun 2016 #22
why is that the last thing we need? notadmblnd Jun 2016 #31
You prefer the republicans to select another candidate? If so, who? B Calm Jun 2016 #33
There's that word again. EASY notadmblnd Jun 2016 #40
I want her to use most of her time to talk about her issues and what she intends to do glennward Jun 2016 #24
And that's what she's doing justiceischeap Jun 2016 #26
I know what you mean and thought that too... but... Her Sister Jun 2016 #25
Hillary should shame all the GOP leaders for supporting the racist lunatic AntiBank Jun 2016 #27
Actually... Else You Are Mad Jun 2016 #28
+100. okasha Jun 2016 #46
I believe there is a small chance you may be right. Exilednight Jun 2016 #29
Even if it isn't Trump, would his replacement be able to get a campaign going in time liberal N proud Jun 2016 #30
I see what you are saying, but I don't think the GOP will be able DanTex Jun 2016 #32
Yup La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #34
They can't live with him or without him. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #35
She has to define him early on. ucrdem Jun 2016 #36
It's a win-win situation. Adrahil Jun 2016 #39
I really doubt TheFarseer Jun 2016 #41
While I see your point, hitting Trump now serves to solidify his horrid culture.... Sheepshank Jun 2016 #42
I'm torn. LAS14 Jun 2016 #44
I have heard one thing that worries me. LAS14 Jun 2016 #45
Trump is already the nominee. He has far too big a delegate lead for the Repugs to get rid of him. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #47

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
2. Even if it isn't Trump, we can not quit defining him.
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 10:44 PM
Jun 2016

Personally, I still think there is very little chance it will be anyone else.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
3. It was never going to be Trump
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 10:48 PM
Jun 2016

The Dnad's free ride of free edia coverage is over.

Ad the GOP ain't going to back him. He has $1 million and he's not going to fund his own camaign.

Romney's coming!

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
9. I have been wondering if it was ever Trump.
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 10:54 PM
Jun 2016

The problem is however, that no one has registered in the states (that we know of) for the general election. I wonder what the deadlines are. Of course, one of the primary losers could step up, but they did lose badly to him.

I also wonder what would happen to those supporters who overwhelmingly voted for him--are we in for a huge fight? No one at this time has stepped up. And it is getting really late in the game.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
18. The Republican old guard are huffing and puffing but ain't going to blow shit down
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 12:51 AM
Jun 2016

They did the same about the Tea Party taking over. Lots of hands on hips and puffed-up cheeks, but when it came to push, they pulled instead.

"Well, I never! ...But maybe just this once..."

Sacking Trump would be the worst thing hte Republican party could do to itself. I mean it would be great for us, but remember one important thing...

Republicans are not nearly as stupid as we like to think they are. Oh, they're scientifically ignorant and socially backwards and tend to believe in fairy tales and sky demons that even the religious of the world abandoned back in the B.C.E. times. But htey're still plenty smart in their own way and they know damn well that to cut the feet out from under their own voters is nothing but doom. Not just for this election, but for the midterms, and the next presidential as well.

 

spud_demon

(76 posts)
4. About the only thing that would make this circus better is seeing Trump cheated out of the nominatio
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 10:49 PM
Jun 2016

n. Can you imagine what he'd say/do after that?

 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
5. Are you kidding me. We've waited far far to long already.
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 10:49 PM
Jun 2016

The man is extremely dangerous. We have to do whatever we can to keep him away from a place of power. Since the media won't call him out then we have to!

athena

(4,187 posts)
6. Honestly,
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 10:51 PM
Jun 2016

I don't think it's a good idea to hope that the Republican nominee will be someone who would be a complete disaster if, by some sort of fluke, he actually got to be president. Just by being on the ballot, the Republican nominee will have a finite chance of being elected President.

Let's not be overconfident. You never know what might happen between now and November that might affect the outcome of the election. I'd much rather have a sane person as the Republican nominee than Trump. Hillary is a strong enough candidate that she should be easily able to beat anyone on the other side.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
16. The press making money off of him ..is over
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 11:57 PM
Jun 2016

They gave him an estimated $2 Billion in free press, because they made huge ROI in so doing

Now RNC isn't going to back him.

And he certainly isn't going to spend 2 or 3 hundred million if his own

And his trailer trash gang aren't going to give up their beer n bingo monies

TwilightZone

(25,464 posts)
7. Nah, hitting him and linking him to as many of the other Republicans as possible...
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 10:52 PM
Jun 2016

will only help us in November.

Guilt by association.

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
8. indeed
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 10:54 PM
Jun 2016

HRC needs to establish the policies and issues that the DEM party will stand by and for...

too much time is being spent NOT doing that and it has the potential to backfire and cause her unfavorables to go up even more

be the better candidate and speak to the principles that are the DEM party platform

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
21. No, you always must define the opponent and relentlessly attack him/her. There will be other ads
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 06:42 AM
Jun 2016

to also define YOURSELF and your own policies. Hillary will do BOTH.

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
23. latest polls show this 'tactic' not working as expected....
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 06:49 AM
Jun 2016

HRC has a 7 point 'lead' on Trump... on TRUMP... if HRC is unable to do better than a 7 point diff against Trump at this point when his optics are tanking... what happens if he corrects that?

HRC should've been pointing out the policy and issues gap and driving that home... over and over... the 'attack' angle is playing to Trumps 'strength', get off the playground and leave him there...

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
11. I feel the same way about Warren.
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 10:58 PM
Jun 2016

Discuss issues, that's fine but hurling insults for the sake of it is not sensible. We are better than that.

drray23

(7,627 posts)
13. the gop has hitched themselves on the trump bandwagon
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 11:08 PM
Jun 2016

Its a good strategy for Hillary to point that out since it will allow our down ballot candidates to gain an edge and take back some senate and house seats.

Even if they were to switch to another candidate (which seems very unlikely in practice), they would still lose. The damage has been done to the gop. That candidate would not have time to put together a campaign, raise the money and get registered in all 50 states all the while trying to convince pissed off Trump supporter to vote for him/her.

Response to Logical (Original post)

 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
19. It wouldn't matter who they try and run this year they will lose badly. It's better to just keep
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 01:16 AM
Jun 2016

kicking his sorry ass, and if he quits move on to the next one.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
33. You prefer the republicans to select another candidate? If so, who?
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 08:18 AM
Jun 2016

I think Trump is toxic to the Republican party and easy to beat in the GE.

 

glennward

(989 posts)
24. I want her to use most of her time to talk about her issues and what she intends to do
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 07:14 AM
Jun 2016

if elected. I want her to hit Trump only when he puts out a lie or some unsubstantiated attack. She should address these quickly and concisely and then pivot to her issues.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
26. And that's what she's doing
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 07:25 AM
Jun 2016

but you must keep in mind, Trump says outrageous things daily, so it only seems as though Clinton is always attacking and not talking about her policies and issues. She talks about them at every appearance she makes, it's just that, maybe until recently, some folks weren't actually paying attention to what she's been doing.

She and her team are, thus far, running a damn fine campaign.

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
25. I know what you mean and thought that too... but...
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 07:24 AM
Jun 2016

problem is that the media might start showing him in a more positive light like they did with George W even though he was dumb dumb dumb. The media made him look what passes for "Presidential" for the GOP.

 

AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
27. Hillary should shame all the GOP leaders for supporting the racist lunatic
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 07:28 AM
Jun 2016

REALLY light a fire under all their asses. Force a cleavage. Target the really influential and also the vulnerable ones up for re-election. Paint them all as enablers of brutal violent racism and xenophobia.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
28. Actually...
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 07:30 AM
Jun 2016

I think if they usurp Trump and put Ryan, Romney or anyone else in his place, it would destroy the GOP and the far right will not vote for the replacement and the ones that do vote will probably vote for Johnson. It is thw far right/tea party fringe is the only thing keeping the GOP alive.

I think it would result in more votes for Hillary.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
46. +100.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:13 PM
Jun 2016

I think you're exactly right.

Anyone who replaced Trump would be volunteering for a suicide mission, and they all know it.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
29. I believe there is a small chance you may be right.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 07:30 AM
Jun 2016

Trump is watching his poll numbers drop and the GOP may find a way to allow him to back out gracefully and replace him on the ticket with Cruz or someone else.

Several political analyst were talking of this very scenario on NPR the other day as a very real possibility.

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
30. Even if it isn't Trump, would his replacement be able to get a campaign going in time
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 07:35 AM
Jun 2016

Would they be able to be affective?

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
32. I see what you are saying, but I don't think the GOP will be able
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 07:42 AM
Jun 2016

to replace him. His voters would be seriously pissed off, and they would have every right to be. It would cause chaos.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
36. She has to define him early on.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:18 AM
Jun 2016

It seems to be working too. If she gave him a pass everyone would be saying she'll never beat him, he's so popular and telegenic, etc. Besides she's in her element and is probably itching to go after someone after a year of being congenial to her opponent.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
39. It's a win-win situation.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:29 AM
Jun 2016

If he is the nominee, he's been defined, and historically, he's in a very bad spot.

If he ISN'T the nominee, the Trump-supporting neckbeards will lose their fucking shit and the the GOP has a civil war on its hands.

I won't say the election is in the bag, but it's hard to lose ground on this issue.

TheFarseer

(9,322 posts)
41. I really doubt
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 01:36 PM
Jun 2016

The wack-a-doodles backing Trump will back away because Hillary said something bad about him. If anything, it will insure he's the nominee. Attacking him will of course help with the base and moderates we need to win, so keep it up!

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
42. While I see your point, hitting Trump now serves to solidify his horrid culture....
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 01:38 PM
Jun 2016

...of sychophant down ticket enablers and supporters.

Hillary is as much about down ticket as the Presidency, that the more down ticket Republicans that have nurtured and supported Trump, the weaker they will be in their re-election bids. We've got to get many of those kochsuckers on the record so that we can use their own words against them when the opportune moment presents itself.

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
44. I'm torn.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:09 PM
Jun 2016

It's important to define the opponent early.

But it's really great to have Trump as an opponent. I too worry about some more palatable GOP person getting nominated.

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
45. I have heard one thing that worries me.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:13 PM
Jun 2016

Somewhere it was suggested that 10 super rich Republicans could offer Trump 150,000,000 to drop out. If, as has also been suggested, he's only a millionaire, albeit many millions, maybe he'd go for it.

Yes, I would worry more if someone other than Trump were the GOP nominee.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
47. Trump is already the nominee. He has far too big a delegate lead for the Repugs to get rid of him.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:18 PM
Jun 2016

To say nothing of the rioting by his cult that would ensue at the convention.

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