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OnDoutside

(19,953 posts)
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 06:00 AM Jun 2016

Is it beyond other non-Hispanic Democrat politicians to become fluent in Spanish ?

All credit to Tim Kaine for becoming fluent in Spanish, but he's being set apart just because he can speak the language.

Are there any others, perhaps amongst the rising stars ? You would think it'd be a no-brainer for an ambitious politician to make it their business to add Spanish to their abilities.

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Is it beyond other non-Hispanic Democrat politicians to become fluent in Spanish ? (Original Post) OnDoutside Jun 2016 OP
Some really bright and good democratic people don't have the ability yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #1
I am singularly talking about it being an asset, my question is why aren't there more when OnDoutside Jun 2016 #3
Sorry. I took it wrong. yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #6
I agree. I've wondered myself. Bernie is from Hortensis Jun 2016 #23
om sure a lot of politicans are busy and just dont have the time Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #2
Yes, that's true but there's serious political advantage for them in doing so. OnDoutside Jun 2016 #4
I'm more concerned where they stand on the issues than how B Calm Jun 2016 #5
Is it beyond them to do both ? OnDoutside Jun 2016 #8
Which is more important? Would you support an anti choice candidate B Calm Jun 2016 #11
I've see no implication that any vote's are predicated wholly on a candidate's ability LanternWaste Jun 2016 #12
Exactly, thank you. OnDoutside Jun 2016 #18
lol Dubya claimed he could do it treestar Jun 2016 #7
First of all TheFarseer Jun 2016 #9
I think people are missing the point here, there's an opportunity for the Democratic Party to make OnDoutside Jun 2016 #10
Speaking of language... tazkcmo Jun 2016 #15
That bugged me too. betsuni Jun 2016 #16
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #19
Jeb Bush is fluent in Spanish. The Castro Brothers are not. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #13
And neither is Ted Cruz ! OnDoutside Jun 2016 #20
The younger you are the easier to learn another language--harder as you age book_worm Jun 2016 #14
immersion DustyJoe Jun 2016 #17
How would they get over the wall ??? OnDoutside Jun 2016 #21
This made me think of Bloomberg and his Spanish La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #22
heck it was beyond Julian Castro to become fluent in Spanish. nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #24
Julian Castro: "...being fluent in Spanish does not define whether or not you're Latino." BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #29
What do we know about Julia Castro? What's his stance on abortion? B Calm Jun 2016 #25
Thanks for the link, I haven't seen it before. sarae Jun 2016 #28
The older you get, the more difficult it is to learn a new language Scootaloo Jun 2016 #26
Plenty of Latino-Americans who don't speak Spanish very well or at all. If by rising star you mean BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #27
I have a minor in Hispanic studies AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #30
Democratic is the adjective. Using "Democrat" as an adjective is a right-wing rhetorical tactic. TacoD Jun 2016 #31
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
1. Some really bright and good democratic people don't have the ability
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 06:04 AM
Jun 2016

to speak another language. I don't think they should be penalized. It can be an asset but to be negative or discount someone who is unable to speak Spanish is highly unfair.

OnDoutside

(19,953 posts)
3. I am singularly talking about it being an asset, my question is why aren't there more when
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 06:46 AM
Jun 2016

there's a very obvious dividend for themselves and the Party.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
23. I agree. I've wondered myself. Bernie is from
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 10:19 AM
Jun 2016

a very white state, but Hillary's been developing relations with Hispanic groups for years and became a senator for New York. It seems beyond likely that in future more will.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
2. om sure a lot of politicans are busy and just dont have the time
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 06:42 AM
Jun 2016

Learning a new language takes a lot of time, and peope are busy with other things.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
5. I'm more concerned where they stand on the issues than how
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 07:00 AM
Jun 2016

many languages they speak. Call me old fashion.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
11. Which is more important? Would you support an anti choice candidate
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 08:29 AM
Jun 2016

because they speak two languages?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
12. I've see no implication that any vote's are predicated wholly on a candidate's ability
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 08:36 AM
Jun 2016

I've see no implication that any vote's are predicated wholly on a candidate's ability to speak bilingually, merely that it is an additional and valuable tool.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
7. lol Dubya claimed he could do it
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 07:13 AM
Jun 2016

I recall a hilarious Spanish language comedy web page - it purported to be the WH page in Spanish. It was hilarious.

TheFarseer

(9,322 posts)
9. First of all
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 07:51 AM
Jun 2016

All the credit in the world to people who learn a second language when they wouldn't really have to. But do I have to point out that learning a second language is hard? The wife and I picked up Rosetta Stone and tried to learn Spanish a lesson at a time every night for 2 months and it just wasn't clicking. So we gave up and just counted on everyone in Playa del Carmen speaking English. It's not as easy as picking up being able to speak Spanish at Target.

OnDoutside

(19,953 posts)
10. I think people are missing the point here, there's an opportunity for the Democratic Party to make
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 08:06 AM
Jun 2016

great inroads into the Latino community, because of Trump. It's surprising that more senior Democrat leaders don't have a grasp of Spanish, when there is electoral advantage in it for them.

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
15. Speaking of language...
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 09:11 AM
Jun 2016

It's DemocratIC, as in "It's surprising that more senior Democratic leaders...".

betsuni

(25,469 posts)
16. That bugged me too.
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 09:26 AM
Jun 2016

I would suggest: "Apart from Tim Kaine, why aren't there more non-Hispanic Democrats who speak Spanish?"

Response to tazkcmo (Reply #15)

book_worm

(15,951 posts)
14. The younger you are the easier to learn another language--harder as you age
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 08:51 AM
Jun 2016

not impossible, but harder. I believe Kaine learned at an early age and kept up with it which is excellent.

DustyJoe

(849 posts)
17. immersion
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 09:35 AM
Jun 2016

Maybe a mandatory internship for all lawmakers in mexican government to immerse themselves in hispanic culture and language is needed in order to serve the hispanic constituency ? /tongueincheeck/

Then vietnamese, chinese, farsi, korean et al.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
29. Julian Castro: "...being fluent in Spanish does not define whether or not you're Latino."
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:38 PM
Jun 2016

And he's right about that. Fact remains, he is Latino and part of the largest Latino group within the Hispanic group - Mexican-American.

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/hud-secretary-julian-castro-on-speaking-spanish-490886723833

Also remember, that during the time he grew up - Reagan's era - in the 1980's, speaking Spanish was not an asset. In fact, it was seen as a liability and frowned upon unless you were of the Anglo-American persuasion. I can understand why his mother didn't want to raise her twin Mexican-American sons with Spanish as their first language. The Hispanic community understands that, too.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
25. What do we know about Julia Castro? What's his stance on abortion?
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:09 PM
Jun 2016

Granted he is a Latino and that is a huge plus, but we know nothing on his stances on key issues.

For a real eye opener, click here.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Julian_Castro.htm

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
26. The older you get, the more difficult it is to learn a new language
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:21 PM
Jun 2016

And even if you learn the language, fluency is a pretty variable thing.

While it's certainly a desirable skill, particularly in politics, achieving it can be kind of difficult, individual by individual.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
27. Plenty of Latino-Americans who don't speak Spanish very well or at all. If by rising star you mean
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:28 PM
Jun 2016

Julian Castro, he was raised in the time when most Mexican-American families didn't teach their children Spanish and, instead, opted to adopt the language of their country - which was America and American-English - because of the negative stigma placed on Spanish-speaking Latinos in the 1980's. I know quite a few Latinos - with accents, too! - who can't speak Spanish at all!

But it's never a bad move to want to be bilingual.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
30. I have a minor in Hispanic studies
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:44 PM
Jun 2016

And I can assure it is very hard to learn a second language. You have to put your heart and soul into it for years. It is very hard to do casually.

Was almost as hard as computer programming.

TacoD

(581 posts)
31. Democratic is the adjective. Using "Democrat" as an adjective is a right-wing rhetorical tactic.
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:59 PM
Jun 2016

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet)

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