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riversedge

(70,183 posts)
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 09:25 AM Jun 2016

FACT-Check-Trump lied when in said Hillary accepted $58,000 in jewelry from Brunei


One of the many lied Trump told yesterday in his speech!


Jewels from Brunei

Trump: "Hillary Clinton accepted $58,000 in jewelry from the government of Brunei when she was secretary of State."

This is false. Clinton traveled to Brunei in September of 2012, and she did receive — on behalf of the U.S. — jewelry (“Mouawad Larme D’Amour 18k gold, sapphire, and diamond earrings, necklace, and bracelet”) worth an estimated $58,000, according to the Department of State’s Office of the Chief of Protocol.

However, Clinton did not keep the jewelry. The gifts were transferred to the General Services Administration, the chief of protocol report said.

This is standard practice when federal employees receive gifts from foreign countries. The U.S. Constitution (Article I, Section 9, clause 8) prohibits all federal officials from receiving any “presents” from foreign governments, kings, or princes, without the consent of the Congress, as explained in a 2012 Congressional Research Service report.

“The Congress has consented generally, in the Foreign Gifts and Decorations Act, to the acceptance of gifts of ‘minimal value’ from foreign governments offered as souvenirs or marks of courtesy, and the acceptance of other gifts when a refusal of the gift may cause ‘offense or embarrassment’ or otherwise harm the foreign relations of the United States,” the CRS report says. “A tangible gift of more than minimal value accepted for reasons of protocol or courtesy may not be kept as a personal gift, however, but is considered accepted on behalf of and property of the United States.”

In Clinton’s case, the department’s chief of protocol noted that the jewelry was accepted because “[n]on-acceptance would cause embarrassment to donor and U.S. Government,” and the gifts would be transferred to the GSA.................

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FACT-Check-Trump lied when in said Hillary accepted $58,000 in jewelry from Brunei (Original Post) riversedge Jun 2016 OP
Fortunately journalists have found a new sport C_U_L8R Jun 2016 #1
Don the Con lies whenever his lips move malaise Jun 2016 #2
And yet Brunei is preparing new laws to oppress LGBT and others as part of their path to TPP Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #3
Hate to do this but whatthehey Jun 2016 #4
But he omitted plcdude Jun 2016 #5
May be factual, but the clear implication is a lie. Mass Jun 2016 #7
materially omitting material facts can make a technically true statement a lie nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #9
I've been to the Clinton presidential museum in Arkansas. MissB Jun 2016 #6
Trump opened his big month without know the policy for recieving gifts. no suprise riversedge Jun 2016 #8
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
3. And yet Brunei is preparing new laws to oppress LGBT and others as part of their path to TPP
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 09:38 AM
Jun 2016

The Sultan is establishing the death penalty for LGBT as part of a new set of restrictions intended to 'protect the culture' from globalization even as the Sultan seeks the TPP to enrich himself.

So I am not at all thrilled that the US legitimizes Brunei even as they plan this pogrom.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
4. Hate to do this but
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 09:39 AM
Jun 2016

If the Trump quote is indeed verbatim and complete, he did not lie (on this rare occasion). Clinton did accept the gift. She did not however accept it personally and keep it, but accepted it on behalf of the nation, exactly as she should.

It's weasel words bto imply wrongdoing by loaded but technical accurate phrasing, but what else do you expect a weasel like Trump to use?

plcdude

(5,309 posts)
5. But he omitted
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 09:47 AM
Jun 2016

that she accepted it on behalf of the United States. If it is not the whole truth then it not turthful.

Mass

(27,315 posts)
7. May be factual, but the clear implication is a lie.
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 09:51 AM
Jun 2016

Of course, what is surprising is that ANYBODY would take what Trump says at face value (reporters in particular, who accepts everything Trump says he has done or will do as truth, at least for a while).

MissB

(15,805 posts)
6. I've been to the Clinton presidential museum in Arkansas.
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 09:49 AM
Jun 2016

It's pretty interesting to see all the trinkets offered to the Clinton's during fmr President Clinton's years in office. Lots of beautiful gifts from various countries around the world. I'm sure each president/first spouse receive "gifts" that end up with the GSA.

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