Thu Jun 23, 2016, 12:15 PM
floriduck (2,262 posts)
This is a bit concerning but gives good detail in the writer's logic.
Hillary Clinton has a substantial lead in the polls over Donald Trump, and has vastly more cash on hand. But when it comes to spending that cash, her campaign may be making a strategic miscalculation. The campaign and an allied super PAC have reserved $137 million of ads across eight states — yet they’ve conspicuously left out the state that might be likeliest to tip the 2016 election: Pennsylvania.
Michigan and Wisconsin were absent from the list, as well, but the Keystone State is the most curious Rust Belt omission. In May, we laid out the case for why the Keystone State could be on pace to decide a close national race. Evidently, Democratic ad strategists don’t share that view. Last week, former Obama advisor David Plouffe tweeted that the buy “shows real discipline” because “PA is not a true battleground.” That’s a bit of bravado, considering it was tied for Obama’s fourth-closest win in 2012. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-clinton-campaign-seems-to-think-pennsylvania-is-in-the-bag/
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floriduck | Jun 2016 | OP |
leftofcool | Jun 2016 | #1 | |
whatthehey | Jun 2016 | #2 | |
floriduck | Jun 2016 | #4 | |
whatthehey | Jun 2016 | #7 | |
Hortensis | Jun 2016 | #3 | |
William769 | Jun 2016 | #5 | |
bernie_FTW | Jun 2016 | #6 | |
floriduck | Jun 2016 | #9 | |
cosmicone | Jun 2016 | #8 |
Response to floriduck (Original post)
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 12:34 PM
leftofcool (19,460 posts)
1. Hillary knows she can lose PA and still win the election as long as she has Ohio and FLA
Response to floriduck (Original post)
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 01:03 PM
whatthehey (3,660 posts)
2. Not too worrying
Tied for Obama's fourth closest win in 2012? Sure but a) he won by over 5 points b) he didn't win all swing states so it is pretty far down the lost of swingers he did win c) Job numbers, including in PA, have improved greatly since then benefitting Dems, d) PA hasn't actually swung in a generation, going D six consecutive times e) The black and Latino ratios of the population have both increased by 10-20% (of the original ratio, not by 10-20 pts). Both are reliably blue and even more so likely with Trump. I'm pretty sure serious internal polling goes into all close states and showed the campaign staff (the folks Trump either doesn't have or doesn't listen to, remember) that money is better spent elsewhere.
I've never lived in PA but I was close to the border of it for a few years and traveled extensively in the state. The vast swathes of it that are redder than Dixie in the North and West can give visitors a depressing view of the state until you realize just how much more densely populated, and how blue, the two big cities are. |
Response to whatthehey (Reply #2)
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 02:06 PM
floriduck (2,262 posts)
4. Thanks. And for the life of me why did 73000 Democrats switch to GOP registered voters? What
have the Repubs done to earn that in PA? It just doesn't make sense.
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Response to floriduck (Reply #4)
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 02:30 PM
whatthehey (3,660 posts)
7. Interesting question. I suspect we'll never know but...
Options include that they had, for non policy-wonks, a far more interesting primary race than ours; that people are inherently interested in and drawn to participation in reality show celebrity doings; that intentional ratfucking was a great temptation given Trump's lack of appeal as a GE candidate; that it's the movement of "generational" Kim Davis-type nominal Democrats, common throughout Appalachia, who would never vote for a Dem candidate for president, to their natural and long term party, or perhaps that it's a small but significant exodus of low-info parochial Reagan (Trump?) Democrats responding to the call of the white male authoritarian. Wouldn't have thought we had many of those left after 7 yrs of Obama but the people who cannot stomach a black President and can't stomach a female one are only similar in character, not identical.
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Response to floriduck (Original post)
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 01:12 PM
Hortensis (56,733 posts)
3. Of course, investing more in PA would require
shorting other regions and there'd be that to worry about. I'm going to be chewing my lip enough over the coming months without having responsibility for these decisions. These people are definitely tougher than I am.
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Response to floriduck (Original post)
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 02:11 PM
William769 (52,908 posts)
5. In their defense, they put ads where they needed in the primary and got the intended result.
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Response to floriduck (Original post)
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 02:17 PM
bernie_FTW (43 posts)
6. I trust Hillary. She can hit her key areas where vote is important with New York buys
and she can send surrogates to the state to whip up support. Many Pennsylvanians refused to vote for Obama in either election because they are slightly racist. They will be more likely to go for Hillary. Many of them are not unhinged radical racists who would vote for Trump.
She will put money in new battlegrounds like North Carolina, Virginia, Colorado, Arizona and some key attempts to hit even redder states like Arkansas and Utah. It will force the GOP to pump a lot of money in states they never though 12 years ago they'd be spending. |
Response to bernie_FTW (Reply #6)
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 02:55 PM
floriduck (2,262 posts)
9. Thanks. I hadn't considered the racial and unhinged factor since I'm not familiar with PA.
I think their governor is a republican, if I recall. That says a lot too.
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Response to floriduck (Original post)
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 02:43 PM
cosmicone (11,014 posts)
8. I'd leave it to the seasoned experts managing Hillary's campaign
They have been flawless so far and they have the brains behind four successful democratic campaigns for POTUS.
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