2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI am not seeing any sign of a post-Sanders shift to Green...
Quinnipiac:
Florida 7% Libertarian, 3% Green
Ohio - 8% Libertarian, 3% Green
Pennsylvania 9% Libertarian, 4% Green
PPP:
NC - 5% Stein, 4% Johnson
Virginia - 6% Libertarian, 2% Green
Floria - 4% Libertarian, 2% Green
2-3% would be a massive improvement over their 0.7% from 2012, but it looks like most D voters are sticking with the Democrats.
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)It's easy to stand on "principle" in a poll with no real world impact months from the GE, but when polls are tighter (and they will be) and the media's pushing a close horse-race even if the polls stay where they are, it takes a bit more of either obduracy or dispassion, as you prefer, to throw away a vote on an irrelevancy when you are faced with the specter of Trump SCOTUS appointments and nuclear brinksmanship.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)Most of us realize that Rump is too much of a dangerous possibility to play around with Third Party candidates.
FSogol
(45,446 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)At least the Libertarians have an explicit ideology, rather than a dishonest con man. They deserve to get more votes than tRump (but of course they won't).
Granted, the ideology is a poor one and I disagree with it, but people have differing views.
The good news for us is that if the Libertarians do well then Trump is doomed.
TwilightZone
(25,428 posts)In 2012, Johnson was polling 8%, ended up with 1%. Stein was polling mid-single-digits, got 0.35%.
Johnson might pull a few % from Trump; Stein is a career also-ran.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Their numbers seem higher than usual.
ashtonelijah
(340 posts)They were anti-establishment social liberals, but not committed progressive ideologies. They're people who really hate Trump and Hillary. Most of them supporter Obama in the past however. It's anecdotal, but there definitely are some Bernie supporters supporting Johnson. More than Stein, I'd wager.
It's not that shocking. I saw a study that showed that Sanders voters, on average, were slightly more ideologically conservative than Clinton voters (think of all the independent white voters). Really interesting trends.