EU Vote in a 'Prevailing Culture of Anti-Intellectualism'

[bigtree]

Joseph Willits ?@josephwillits 2h2 hours ago
This is superb in the FT... #EURefResults

[FSogol]

1. K & R. If we aren't careful, Trump could win and the same thing could happen here. n/t

[bigtree]

4. in many ways, this vote comes at a point where it can be instructive

...as we witness the economic consequences of xenophobia and scapegoating.

The U.S. vote, however, isn't influenced by white nationalism to the extent that Britain's is. Minorities are beginning to recognize their political power in the U.S., and more and more Americans are realizing the value in our diversity, despite notable and prominent flash points from our own nationalists, and are providing their own political backlash to attempts to marginalize or disadvantage those diverse communities and individuals.

[forjusticethunders]

6. 87% versus 68%.

That is the % of whites in the UK versus the % in the USA.

[treestar]

7. that's what can save us

Not enough alienated white people to cause something like this.

[forjusticethunders]

8. To put in perspective

if you extrapolate 2012's voting demos to every election since 68

Humphrey wins
McGovern barely loses
Carter wins in a landslide
Carter wins
Reagan BARELY beats Mondale
Dukakis beats Bush
Clinton wins in 2 landslides
Gore wins, possibly in a landslide

[Armstead]

9. Legitimate complaints mixed with illegitimate ones does not deny the legitimate ones

The xenophibic and bigoted aspects of the "Leave" movement was not a good thing.

But saying "No" to moneyed elites running everything from their high perches is a legitimate act of protest.

[treestar]

21. maybe but GB is not a place you think of without thinking of elites

they certainly have them. They are still going to run things. Don't see how this helps except at least they can think it's their own lords rather than more general European ones.

[HamiltonSwan]

26. Bad news: The moneyed elites will still be running things even after this vote.

[TubbersUK]

2. K & R n/t

[Koinos]

3. All so very true.

Shooting oneself in the head to get rid of a toothache.

[uponit7771]

5. +1, Putin and tRump supported Brexit... bout all I need to know about it

[JRLeft]

11. It was an overreaction to trade, trade isn't bad. Unfettered trade is.

[uponit7771]

12. +1

[JRLeft]

13. Unfortunately I see this as the beginning of other nations exiting the EU.

[uponit7771]

14. I think they'll wait to see what happens with suburb and rural London first cause it looks like they

... were getting the most outside funds from the EU.

They start hurting i think the rest will think twice... I don't think UK should get a pass on leaving seeing it was stoked mostly with tribalism, hell the UK UE3 rate is 5%... wtf UK!?

[JRLeft]

15. I hope so, but the nativist anti immigrant sentiment is at an all time high in Europe.

There will be a lot of political pressure to leave the EU. The unemployment rate isn't what's driving this. UK natives treat foreigners like this nation treats Latinos.

A lot of high wage jobs have left and the right wing fringe has done a good job of getting people to buy into the theory that it's because of POC.

[uponit7771]

16. ah... good info

[JRLeft]

17. There's a lot more racism in the UK than people may realize.

[uponit7771]

18. I'm seeing that, I've also heard it from those who've been there that its hidden cause its 87% white

... so racial diversity isn't as loud due to less diversity

[JRLeft]

20. But diversity is growing, and so is interracial marriages.

They have some of the same problems we have with neo-nazis and other white supremists groups. Minority groups will have to be careful, because this decision will have serious consequences. Job losses are going to skyrocket.

High unemployment and higher crime rates tend to go hand and hand.

The rise of right wing hate groups explode in economic downturns.

[uponit7771]

22. WOW!! History ryhmes well if it doesn't repeat itself exactly. It was Britians xenophobia that gave

... Hitler some of his anti jewish excuses... along with US genocide of Native Americans

[JRLeft]

23. There's a lot of anti semitism in the UK. Israel has its issues, but

to hate people because they're different is ridiculous

[TheBlackAdder]

10. Keep the proletariat uneducated and the bourgeoisie can better manipulate them for their gains.

.


That's the real reason the GOP wants to eliminate critical and independent thought in schools.


.

[Hortensis]

19. "Populist" parties across Europe, inspired by Brexit,

are calling for their own referendums.

Populist resentment against "elites" is undoubtedly part of what happened, Brexit change that spits in the faces of the "elites." Xenophobic reaction to social change is another large cause, of course, but these factors are very frequently combined. And, of course, lower educational levels correlate with both.

[insta8er]

24. I would prefer to call them Far Right/facist..like Le Penn in France and Wilders in the Netherlands

[Hortensis]

25. Yes, except some are left wing. I read that

there are more of those in southern Europe, and more of them areright wing in eastern Europe. Apparently anti-establishment/anti-elite passion is an ingredient that can be combined with any of a bunch of "host" ideologies to create populism.

From the Washington Post:

This is what Trump supporters and your argumentative uncle have in common

These populist parties differ profoundly in ideology. But their voters share an important characteristic. In our recently published study in the European Journal of Political Research, we show that the common denominator of those who vote for these parties is not, as has often been claimed, their socioeconomic position. Rather, they are united by personality.
...
We turn our attention to one of the Big Five traits, namely Agreeableness. The higher individuals score on Agreeableness, the more altruistic, trusting, cooperative and tender-minded they are. The lower individuals score on Agreeableness, the more egoistic, distrustful and uncooperative they are. In the political domain, people who score low on the “Agreeable” scale are more suspicious of politicians and feel that they have little political influence.

Please note that these personality characteristics are not value judgments. Someone can be overly trusting to the point of being naïve, and skepticism might be useful when it comes to politics.

(Yes to that last for sure.)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2015/12/23/this-is-what-trump-supporters-and-your-argumentative-uncle-have-in-common/

[TheFarseer]

27. If he could have finished

He would have said people are sick of experts telling us we need to do such and such and things will get better and we do and things only get better for the elites. The rest of us see our jobs leave or they bring in cheep labor to take them. Most of them can't figure out why we don't just buy a million shares in the company and live off the dividends. We need an economy that works for everyone.

[realmirage]

28. People in general don't like to think deeply

My posts that require thought rarely get replies. But a thread that says 'Rec here if you think trump sucks' will get a billion responses. We are idiocracy. Have been for a while

[fun n serious]

29. It will just bring more division..

Trade and labor market protectionism IS an ethnonationalist appeal