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RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 05:18 PM Jun 2016

Tim Kaine, like Joe Biden, personally opposes abortion but is also against criminalizing it.

That is the position, and it is an ok position to have. He is Catholic and has that belief. But that doesn't mean he thinks the government should outlaw it or criminalize it. He doesn't.

So enough on this. Plus, there are MANY more issues. Tim Kaine is a VERY good VP choice in the big picture. Most of all, he is very well qualified to be president. Others, like Warren and Castro, are better where they are and are much less prepared than Kaine.

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Daemonaquila

(1,712 posts)
1. Not ok.
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 05:32 PM
Jun 2016

"The senator opposes the 1st Amendment, but is also against criminalizing free speech."
Nope, not good enough.

Wouldn't settle for the one. Why should we settle for the other? What is it about it being ok to throw people under the bus as long as a politician promises not to criminalize their existence or activities?

CincyDem

(6,346 posts)
2. So Tim Kaine will tolerate funding for women's health but he probably won't champion it.
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 06:03 PM
Jun 2016


My daughters need better.

FSogol

(45,470 posts)
5. That's not true. He prevented the GOP from closing clinics in VA using their
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 06:24 PM
Jun 2016

"clinics must meet hospital standards" reason while governor. He has an 100% lifetime score from both NARAL and Planned Parenthood.

CincyDem

(6,346 posts)
6. I hear ya, and I appreciate that he sees the real purpose of all these "health safety standard" laws
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 07:09 PM
Jun 2016

And I appreciate that he has a 100% score from these folks.

Still, I would like to see someone in our leadership with the same rabid dog zeal in FAVOR of a woman's right to choose as what we see against it on the right.

To me, and maybe it's just how I'm using the word, preventing the GOP from doing something like this falls into the category of tolerating...he's reacting to their initiative and I agree that he's reacting in the appropriate way.

I would like to see his initiative. I appreciate that he's pro choice in his head (and that puts him way above just about every R) but I want to see someone in leadership who has pro choice in their hearts too. Head is fine for followers but he needs it in his heart to be my leader.

CincyDem

(6,346 posts)
8. Fair point. Maybe it's that scoring 100% from NARAL just isn't a high enough bar.
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 08:57 PM
Jun 2016


I have a sense that getting a 100% from NARAL is a lot easier than, for example, getting a 100% from the NRA. Hell...you practically have to cook breakfast on your AK-47 or AR-15 to get a 100% from them. My sense, and it's only opinion, is that they demand (and get) completely and active loyalty.

I don't get that same sense on the choice topic. I'm not sure if this it true but it feels like a leader can be a passive supporter and still get a 100%. They do what they're asked.

Anyway, just my two cents. If Kaine is the choice, he's got my vote even if I long for more.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
11. I would too.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 12:12 AM
Jun 2016

He doesn't bring anything special to the table. I'd rather somebody more exciting, even if they don't already have a national profile. Since really, Kaine doesn't have one either.

Hekate

(90,627 posts)
10. In other words, upholds his oath to follow secular law.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 12:10 AM
Jun 2016

Which is what we want in an elected official.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
12. Personally, i think we can do better than an East Coast "family values" guy from the more rightward
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 03:10 AM
Jun 2016

Leaning side of the ideological spectrum of our party.

We have 50 million people on the west coast. Most of us are strongly pro choice. We support things like marijuana legalization. How about someone that appeals to OUR values?

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