2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSo here's the platform so far if I'm following
-Vote against an amendment that would oppose the TPP
-No Single Payer
-$15 min wage voted down
And yet people on here who are Democrats and allegedly progressive minds feel this is ok simply because one candidate got more votes.
What would get some of you actually angry like those of us who oppose this platform.
If the nominee wanted to abolish private property would we still see the same blind loyalty? Maybe. She did get 3 million more votes, right so it's her call.
This is a terrible start to what was supposedly going to be an incredibly progressive platform. And it's a shame candidate preference shields people from actually noticing it.
TwilightZone
(25,426 posts)Not putting the TPP in the platform at all is not the same as supporting it. Besides, the de facto head of the Democratic Party - President Barack Obama - is for it, so they're not about to take the position of the primary runner-up over the President.
Article re: $15/hour -- http://www.thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/284888-dems-adopt-15-minimum-wage-in-draft-platform
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)without taking sides.
The platform reflects the nominee's position on health care--expand and improve the ACA. It was not reasonable to expect the platform to contradict her position.
Not sure what the deal is with minimum wage, but even $12 would be a big increase in much of the nation. What works economically in Seattle or San Francisco may not work in small towns in Texas or Alabama. But my understanding is that the platform is $15/hour.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)Response to SheenaR (Original post)
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KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Considering that their nominee acts as if she's missing a lot of marbles, I'd say they are pretty much not a good party.
I'm pretty embarrassed that Stein is from Lexington, MA...the town I work in and just a few over from where I live. She's been around here a long time and I just can't take her seriously, think she's a bit nuts. She's run for various offices in Mass and the only one she's managed to win is a seat on Lexington's representative town meeting.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)Most of those who want to vote for her instead of Hillary are missing a lot of marbles also!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)We hope to accomplish a great deal. Unlikely we'll have both houses of Congress, but the Democratic positions should nevertheless be much stronger than during the Obama administration and look at how much he accomplished against great adversity.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)This is the language that was shot down... THE LANGUAGE not the $15.00 was shot down becuase it basically reads the same..
"Sanders' allies wanted the draft to specify that a $15 per hour minimum wage should be indexed with inflation. Clinton's side struck down that idea, noting the document included a call to "raise and index the minimum wage."
http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-06-25/democrats-approved-platform-draft-with-sanders-imprint
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)I don't think it needs to be restated, but we know who won the primary and we know the margins that she won by. We also know what she stood for when she won. When contentious platform planks pop up between the candidates, the nominee is given deference because that is what a wide swath of voters voted for. Hillary Clinton and the Democratic party is not going to fully morph into Bernie Sanders on the platform committee. They may try to find middle ground on some issues, but there will be no absolute positions in which the positions of the President or the nominee will be swatted down in favor of Sanders'.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)The TPP isn't in it, sadly. I wish the party would support this outstanding trade agreement.
$15/hour is in, which is way too high.
Fortunately, Single Payer is not in and that's a good thing. This nation is nowhere near ready for Single Payer yet. It will take at least a decade of improving the ACA before that could become a possibility.
skidoo
(95 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Too much of the US economy is wrapped up in healthcare delivery. IF you suddenly made heathcare insurance obsolete, the economic hit would result in a global depression.
It will take time before we can convert completely to a single payer system. Now is not that time.
skidoo
(95 posts)into effect?