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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 02:27 PM Jun 2016

Sanders not ready to endorse Clinton: 'Stand up, be bolder'

Bernie Sanders is telling Hillary Clinton to "stand up" and "be bolder" on policies involving education and healthcare if she wants to win over his supporters.

"We are trying to say to Secretary Clinton and the Clinton campaign, 'Make it clear which side you are on,' " Sanders said Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union."

Sanders, who said Friday he would likely vote for Clinton, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, in the general election, hasn't suspended his presidential campaign or formally endorsed her. He is waiting for Clinton to make major concessions on policy issues, including on the minimum wage, healthcare and education.

"I think, right now, what we are doing is trying to say to the Clinton campaign: 'Stand up, be bolder than you have been,' and then many of those voters in fact may come on board," he said.

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http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/284931-sanders-to-clinton-stand-up-be-bolder-to-win-over

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Sanders not ready to endorse Clinton: 'Stand up, be bolder' (Original Post) DonViejo Jun 2016 OP
The loser telling the winner what to do. What a novel idea. Like the loser had a better plan to win tonyt53 Jun 2016 #1
his interview today RazBerryBeret Jun 2016 #9
There is no "me" in "team" unless the words are scrambled. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #11
no one has ever said anything about being begged RazBerryBeret Jun 2016 #13
Enough of the game playing. Virtually all progressive issues Hortensis Jun 2016 #40
Sorry Bernie, but the loser doesn't get to dictate everything. It IS a BOLD platform. Enough. RBInMaine Jun 2016 #126
His supporters, most of them, a good majority of them, are now her supporters as well. LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #56
Resigning oneself to voting for her dflprincess Jun 2016 #103
Voting for her isn't really the same as not supporting her. Your reluctant vote LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #106
I'm afraid this is an ends justifies the means situation dflprincess Jun 2016 #124
If Bernie is a leader, it's time for him to lead. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #110
Arrogant response AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #47
It's time for you guys to let go.... LongtimeAZDem Jun 2016 #85
Let go of what? AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #92
it's time for you guys to stop dismissing and antagonising. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #119
I really don't understand Clinton's education plan. Ash_F Jun 2016 #2
It won't include free college tuition. It is to make college more affordable. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #4
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What is a "realistic family contribution"? Ash_F Jun 2016 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Jun 2016 #36
No it is not Ash_F Jun 2016 #59
Firstly, it deals with education at all levels BainsBane Jun 2016 #135
Working for who? Ash_F Jun 2016 #136
As the link says BainsBane Jun 2016 #137
I read her site. Another poster linked it and then deleted their post. It's not there. Ash_F Jun 2016 #139
She's in a pickle. She wants establishment Republicans too. George Eliot Jun 2016 #3
How do you know "she wants establishment Republicans", did she send you an email expressing.... DonViejo Jun 2016 #10
I agree that Clinton will try to woo establishment Republicans. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #14
She doesn't have to "come out as a progressive;" she is one. DonViejo Jun 2016 #41
No, she's not. Words mean something. Words really do have meanings. George Eliot Jun 2016 #45
LBJ a progressive? Remember the Domino Theory? LBJ was the one that ramped up the war in Vietnam redstateblues Jun 2016 #57
Yes, mixed bag. He would agree. He regretted later. George Eliot Jun 2016 #67
Don't forget Medicare dflprincess Jun 2016 #102
No matter how you try to rationalize it, Sen Sanders and Hillary Clinton are miles apart. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #46
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Well, Rhett, I guess Don told you, eh... pangaia Jun 2016 #54
And I missed it. I just finished responding to a poster that claims that the Progressives are rhett o rick Jun 2016 #107
I can only imagine the mental convenience afforded by pretending people LanternWaste Jun 2016 #121
Then she needs to drop the right wing policies on war, trade, prisons, etc AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #48
Didn't Bernie plan Andy823 Jun 2016 #44
I guess you are trying to make a point that you don't agree she will woo rhett o rick Jun 2016 #49
Bernie appeals to some of the disaffected blue collar Republicans senz Jun 2016 #117
No, he didnt AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #51
Yup...nt SidDithers Jun 2016 #62
What was that school he spoke at? sheshe2 Jun 2016 #78
She is a progressive! mcar Jun 2016 #52
On what? Denying medical marijuana to those that need it? On fracking? On the TPP? On supporting rhett o rick Jun 2016 #111
I Really Wish LeFleur1 Jun 2016 #131
I would like to see H. Clinton be more progressive in the following areas: rhett o rick Jun 2016 #133
Has she repudiated their fundraising efforts on her behalf? brentspeak Jun 2016 #70
DonViejo—25 of the 26 states in Richard Nixon’s 1960 column… CobaltBlue Jun 2016 #138
LOL! She's really not in any "pickle." She's winning by wider margins every day, and Squinch Jun 2016 #17
REC & KICK!!!!!!!!!! still_one Jun 2016 #20
In fact, she's cut into them even since last month! Rose Siding Jun 2016 #100
Bold is meaningless. The goal is to be smarter. Trump is bold too. How's that working? CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #5
Yep! (She's too smart for "Hail-Mary" goals.) NurseJackie Jun 2016 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Jun 2016 #37
The fact is that... tallahasseedem Jun 2016 #66
The goal is to be ambitious, or it should be. Orsino Jun 2016 #123
"I supported Sanders. I don't feel we are ready for a woman president yet." from the comments. grossproffit Jun 2016 #6
Oh please... ljm2002 Jun 2016 #12
I know an older lady who won't vote for a woman president, but thinks a woman VP is ok. grossproffit Jun 2016 #38
Of course there are people out there like that... ljm2002 Jun 2016 #65
Yes, I think I saw that comment. I think it was made by a female Clinton supporter. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #16
but, but ... it must be true. I read it on the internet!! Hiraeth Jun 2016 #18
Consider his choice of the word "bold" Rose Siding Jun 2016 #99
Bold means don't be afraid to spend your political capital. Lucky Luciano Jun 2016 #104
Bernie is free to spend his own political capital as he sees fit. Hillary already has LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #114
"We aren't ready for a woman president and a woman vice-president"-comments were made here several Chathamization Jun 2016 #140
platform battle HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #7
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the party chair normally names all of them dsc Jun 2016 #32
That may be so, but she really needs to excuse herself from exercising any influence whatsoever, JudyM Jun 2016 #60
I get a kick out of the demands some of you make. JoePhilly Jun 2016 #109
...!100++++ 840high Jun 2016 #34
This is like Golden State Warriors cosmicone Jun 2016 #64
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A seven second video clip from 14 years ago? George II Jun 2016 #93
... DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #8
Who? Squinch Jun 2016 #19
His ideas didn't work out so well for him, lol. MoonRiver Jun 2016 #21
+1 zappaman Jun 2016 #68
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Jun 2016 #75
Thank you still one! MoonRiver Jun 2016 #90
Well done, Moonriver! Cha Jun 2016 #86
Cha! MoonRiver Jun 2016 #89
There is a reason why... tallahasseedem Jun 2016 #94
"Which side you are on"? Seriously? ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #22
You got that right. ronnykmarshall Jun 2016 #72
Who? nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #23
Bernie who? MohRokTah Jun 2016 #25
LOL Gothmog Jun 2016 #35
Time to move on. MFM008 Jun 2016 #26
Who cares? NastyRiffraff Jun 2016 #28
Spoiler alert! SaschaHM Jun 2016 #29
who? leftofcool Jun 2016 #30
The better her polling numbers get the more Bernie tells her what to do BeyondGeography Jun 2016 #31
Sanders has won some major victories on the platform Gothmog Jun 2016 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Jun 2016 #39
Exactly DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #53
I agree Gothmog Jun 2016 #74
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #42
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #43
What ever happened to the good old days giftedgirl77 Jun 2016 #55
This is going from absurd to bizarre cosmicone Jun 2016 #61
Sanders needs to make it clear which side he is on. William769 Jun 2016 #63
Hillary HAS stood up and been bold BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #69
She claims to now be against the TPP brentspeak Jun 2016 #77
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The problem I have with this statement Evergreen Emerald Jun 2016 #76
... sheshe2 Jun 2016 #79
Sad smear on your part. n/t brentspeak Jun 2016 #80
I do not understand your post. Evergreen Emerald Jun 2016 #81
I don't think you understand what "calling out members" refers to. brentspeak Jun 2016 #83
Your post has done nothing but attack me. Evergreen Emerald Jun 2016 #91
I understand that you typically disagree w/ his statement, but the sexist claim has gotten old and desmiller Jun 2016 #82
It has definitely gotten old --Some day it will be a thing of the past Evergreen Emerald Jun 2016 #88
What other minority group's concerns have "gotten old and dull"? athena Jun 2016 #122
Excellent! Evergreen Emerald Jun 2016 #125
+1000! DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #84
Absolutely correct, and he is a man who has sat out 11 Presidential elections since R B Garr Jun 2016 #97
I know, right? KMOD Jun 2016 #98
Hi! Good to see you. R B Garr Jun 2016 #101
Great to see you, too KMOD Jun 2016 #105
It doesn't matter what she says or what she does Loki Jun 2016 #87
He is going about it the wrong way and it is cutting into his "revolution " AgadorSparticus Jun 2016 #115
I just got up from a nap gwheezie Jun 2016 #95
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I am really tired of this..... chillfactor Jun 2016 #108
The Democratic Convention is on July 25 -28. Beacool Jun 2016 #112
She's already made it clear which side she's on. Bernie needs do the same. -nt- Lord Magus Jun 2016 #113
I thought that was a demeaning thing to say to the presumptive Dem nominee!! riversedge Jun 2016 #118
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Sanders? Sanders? Wait, that name rings a bell...but I can't really place it. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #120
The nerve of some people, demanding politicians to fight for what is right! arcane1 Jun 2016 #127
Bernie who? Beausoir Jun 2016 #128
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We are long past the point ... NanceGreggs Jun 2016 #132
Polls show his supporters going to her in droves. Bernies influence is converging to zero. nt LexVegas Jun 2016 #134
 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
1. The loser telling the winner what to do. What a novel idea. Like the loser had a better plan to win
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 02:30 PM
Jun 2016

RazBerryBeret

(3,075 posts)
9. his interview today
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 02:43 PM
Jun 2016

which is posted here many times, clearly sums it up.
It's not just HIS responsibility to swing his supporters to her, SHE needs to help swing them to her camp as well.

this whole "winner/loser" rhetoric is getting old.
the winner can't just play "king of the mountain" and expect everyone to support them.
That's all he's saying, and I think that makes sense.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
11. There is no "me" in "team" unless the words are scrambled.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 02:51 PM
Jun 2016

Sanders clearly is saying one thing yesterday than another thing today. Hillary also has many more people to keep and swing. Those numbers of Sanders supporters? There are at least that many more Republicans that are repulsed by Trump and the GOP right now. then on top of that, those millions that voted for her in the primaries. If the Sanders supporters, and Sanders, want to be begged, that isn't going to happen. It IS about who won the primary. There IS a winner and a loser. It might e getting old to you because of who lost. All Sanders is saying right now is that he doesn't care if the people that supported him vote for Trump. His own words say that.

RazBerryBeret

(3,075 posts)
13. no one has ever said anything about being begged
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 02:54 PM
Jun 2016

this whole meme is ridiculous.
Sanders is not a man who wants to be begged and coddled and handled delicately. That is the way YOU need to think of him.
whatever gets you through.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
40. Enough of the game playing. Virtually all progressive issues
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 04:43 PM
Jun 2016

have been adopted and passed in various ways by Hillary.

This notion that she must somehow always do MORE and MORE and MORE to "earn" the votes of a handful of holdouts among his supporters is phony. She will never be Sanders for those who love him, but she has come through for those who care about issues and understand that there are serious tradeoffs required for and limits to what she can accomplish.

The fact is that by far most of Bernie's supporters have every intention of voting for her and always were and are pleased to have her as their second choice. The hostile pretenders that she could ever satisfy them will choose to remain unsatisfied, as I suspect they are almost every election.


LuvLoogie

(7,040 posts)
56. His supporters, most of them, a good majority of them, are now her supporters as well.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 05:47 PM
Jun 2016

Hillary is more than "bold enough" it seems.

LuvLoogie

(7,040 posts)
106. Voting for her isn't really the same as not supporting her. Your reluctant vote
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 11:03 PM
Jun 2016

is somehow less tainted? Try to feel good about it.

dflprincess

(28,086 posts)
124. I'm afraid this is an ends justifies the means situation
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 10:12 PM
Jun 2016

I will feel relieved if Trump is not elected, not about what I have to do to help make sure he isn't.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
110. If Bernie is a leader, it's time for him to lead.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 11:22 PM
Jun 2016

Among other things that includes admitting that he really did lose the primary and thus telling his supporters under no uncertain terms that his loss really was fair and square.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
4. It won't include free college tuition. It is to make college more affordable.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 02:36 PM
Jun 2016

She has stated that over and over. Sanders couldn't have delivered on the free college tuition either. She will give a policy statement on that issue before long. Right now, she is hammering the GOP will all of her might. After the GOP gets their nominee, more policy statements will begin to be heard. The GOP must be divided as it can be up to and after their convention. A division so strong that it can never be closed.

Response to tonyt53 (Reply #4)

Response to Ash_F (Reply #2)

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
59. No it is not
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 05:59 PM
Jun 2016

What is a "realistic family contribution"? Who decides what that is? What about students who don't have families?

Where and for whom will every student work 10 hours per week? This already exists to some degree. It is called work study and tops out at about 10-12 dollars per hour, though not everybody can get it because colleges often don't have that much work for students.

BainsBane

(53,075 posts)
135. Firstly, it deals with education at all levels
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 01:19 AM
Jun 2016

from early childhood to higher ed, not just subsidizing higher ed in ways that most benefit the upper-middle class.
It tackles the disparity in k-12 that ensures generations of Americans are unprepared for higher ed. Without that, any claims for addressing inequality are meaningless because poverty is ensured at the early childhood and K-12 stage.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/college/
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/k-12-education/
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/early-childhood-education/

In her college plan, students are expected to contribute to their own education by working 10 hours a week. Segments of the upper-middle class may find that expectation unacceptable and believe their children's education should be subsidized by the pension and retirement funds of the working class. Clinton's plan doesn't accommodate that upward redistribution of income. It instead links federal contributions to a family's ability to pay, a sliding fee scale.



Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
136. Working for who?
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 01:30 AM
Jun 2016

If she is talking about work study, it already exists and has very limited availability.

Also it pays like 8-12 per hour so it doesn't really put a dent in tuition/books/rent/food ect.

BainsBane

(53,075 posts)
137. As the link says
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 02:03 AM
Jun 2016

It is work-study. Why not read the positions explained on her site?

Interesting you're more concerned about the availability of work-study jobs than the possibility of getting totally "free" education passed by a GOP congress. If the federal government links funding to work-study jobs, universities will follow by making them available, believe me. That's not a very heavy lift, certainly not in comparison to getting an education plan through congress.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
139. I read her site. Another poster linked it and then deleted their post. It's not there.
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 02:42 AM
Jun 2016

If the money to pay for work study for everyone will come from tax dollars, I have not seen her say this.

There are some other details that need explanation. Most universities don't have that much work study available. Not just because there is not enough money, but because there is limited work that students are qualified to do in the first place.

Once that is solved, then there is the issue that making 80-120 dollars a week(before taxes) is just a drop in the bucket of expenses that students must pay.

George Eliot

(701 posts)
3. She's in a pickle. She wants establishment Republicans too.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 02:32 PM
Jun 2016

Unfortunate for Progressives that Trump is her opponent

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
10. How do you know "she wants establishment Republicans", did she send you an email expressing....
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 02:47 PM
Jun 2016

thast desire? In 1964, I watched as Republicans jumped in to support LBJ over Barry Goldwater. There was none of this bull shit, "LBJ wants establishment Republicans;" everyone knew, Goldwater would have been a disaster and they bailed on Barry.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
14. I agree that Clinton will try to woo establishment Republicans.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 03:02 PM
Jun 2016

If she comes out as a progressive, as Sen Sanders suggests, then I am wrong.

And Clinton isn't LBJ.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
41. She doesn't have to "come out as a progressive;" she is one.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 04:49 PM
Jun 2016

Sec'y Clinton and Sen Sanders voted in sync 93% of the time; she was rated the eleventh most liberal member of the Senate during her tenure. Granted, she isn't running around yelling, "I'm an Independent Democratic Socialist and I demand the Democratic Party change to meet my demands" but, we already know that.

I don't doubt for one second that if Clinton were LBJ, you'd be commenting, "she isn't JFK."

George Eliot

(701 posts)
45. No, she's not. Words mean something. Words really do have meanings.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 05:05 PM
Jun 2016

LBJ was more progressive than Clinton and by her own words she's moderate.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/10/politics/hillary-clinton-democrat-progressive/


She is our candidate and I accept that but don't change facts please. And of course she wants to attract as many voters as possible. The sixties were a different era. I will be interested to see what happens on the right this time. You may be right about that.


Columbus, Ohio (CNN)Hillary Clinton confessed Thursday to something liberals have long suspected: being a moderate Democrat.
"You know, I get accused of being kind of moderate and center," Clinton told the audience at a Women for Hillary event in Ohio. "I plead guilty."
The line is new for Clinton, who spent a large portion of her early campaign casting herself as a liberal fighter who has been progressive for her entire life. To many on the left, those lines never really rang true.

"I take a backseat to no one," Clinton told a New Hampshire audience in July, "When you look at my record in standing up and fighting for progressive values."

That line was seen as a subtle shot at independent Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, who is running to the left of Clinton.

snip
The Clintons -- both Bill and Hillary -- have long been seen as centrist Democrats, politicians willing to work with Republicans to strike compromise deals. Bill Clinton did this consistently in the White House, pushing free trade agreements and prioritizing debt reduction.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
57. LBJ a progressive? Remember the Domino Theory? LBJ was the one that ramped up the war in Vietnam
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 05:49 PM
Jun 2016

He was great on civil rights but like a lot of politicians his record is a mixed bag. There are no perfect pols and that includes FDR

dflprincess

(28,086 posts)
102. Don't forget Medicare
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 10:40 PM
Jun 2016

his original plan was that it would expand until we were all covered and actually had access to healthcare, not just be required to have health insurance (that many still can't afford to use, thanks to large out of pockets).

He had a number of anti-poverty programs. The problem is most of them weren't given enough time to see how well they worked in the long run.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
46. No matter how you try to rationalize it, Sen Sanders and Hillary Clinton are miles apart.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 05:09 PM
Jun 2016

Your portrai of Sen Sanders is ridiculous. Millions support his quest to get some progressive change that we desperately need. A recent headline stated that the Democratic Platform was more progressive than ever before. This is because the Progressives pushed and pushed to get $15 min wage, no fracking, no TPP, etc. They managed to convince the Clinton side to compromise but didn't get all the PROGRESSIVE issues they wanted. May you'd like it better if I said that Sen Sanders and his millions of supporters have encouraged Clinton to become more progressive.

Re. your last sentence, I most certainly would if someone were to intimate that they were the same.

Response to rhett o rick (Reply #46)

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
107. And I missed it. I just finished responding to a poster that claims that the Progressives are
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 11:18 PM
Jun 2016

extremists, and here I get told that Sen Sanders and Clinton are not that far apart. I wish they'd get their talking points coordinated.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
121. I can only imagine the mental convenience afforded by pretending people
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 08:13 AM
Jun 2016

I can only imagine the mental convenience afforded by pretending people with different onions adhere to talking points. Quite irrational, but bias often is... and many require the mental convenience as well.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
48. Then she needs to drop the right wing policies on war, trade, prisons, etc
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 05:13 PM
Jun 2016

And forget about trying to woo Republicans who would never vote for anyway. Wooing Republicans will drive away much of her support base, who are sick and tired of right wing.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
44. Didn't Bernie plan
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 05:02 PM
Jun 2016

On doing the same thing? Wasn't he going to try and lure in Trump supporters? If I am no mistaken a lot of republicans voted for him in the primaries, was that OK?

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
49. I guess you are trying to make a point that you don't agree she will woo
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 05:19 PM
Jun 2016

moderate Republicans. Is that your point? I think she will. Every Republican vote she can steal from Trump is worth two votes from the Left.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
117. Bernie appeals to some of the disaffected blue collar Republicans
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 02:30 AM
Jun 2016

who know they've been subdued and screwed over by the system. Sec. Clinton's appeal seems to be to a different segment of Republicanism.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
51. No, he didnt
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 05:29 PM
Jun 2016

No, he wasn't going to 'shift to the center' on anything. Their attraction to him was policy and honesty based. If you want to understand how he attracts them, just watch the speech he gave at Liberty University. He handed their asses to them and they knew it.

Was a thing of beauty.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
111. On what? Denying medical marijuana to those that need it? On fracking? On the TPP? On supporting
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 11:23 PM
Jun 2016

Prisons For Profits? On the Iraq war? On min wage? The millions of Sen Sanders supporters don't agree with you and hope like hell to influence her to be more progressive.

LeFleur1

(1,197 posts)
131. I Really Wish
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 12:00 AM
Jun 2016

Sanders supporters would stop lying about Hillary. She never supported Prisons for Profit. She wasn't the only Senator to vote to go into Iraq after Bush lied to all of them. She supported a graduated minimum wage. Mississippi's cost of living is less than the State of NY's cost of living. She wanted community colleges to be free, and work programs and lower costs for four year schools
Whatever Sanders ideas and policies were, and whatever his plans were to make them come to be, he didn't get the votes to do it, so it really seems that the majority of Democrats weren't in gung ho agreement with whatever his plans were. He lost. And that means voters not only liked Hillary's plans better, they thought she had a better chance to push them through.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
133. I would like to see H. Clinton be more progressive in the following areas:
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 09:17 AM
Jun 2016

Eliminate Prisons for Profits and not accept campaign help from them. Legalize recreational marijuana use or at least reduce the sentencing lengths.

Be more progressive on foreign policy. We don't need any more of our troops dying or getting wounded.

Support a aggressive "graduated minimum wage" (two years) that has a higher goal than $12 per hour. It should be considered a livable wage for at least one adult and one child.

Support free community colleges for those that academically qualify. Bravo if she already does. I'd love a link. Also, a significant help to parents for 4 years college students, like tuition and books fully tax deductible even if one doesn't itemize.

A plan to end all fracking within 2 years, no if ands or buts.

A strong stand against the TPP and other job killing so-called Free Trade Agreements.

A humane position on medical marijuana use.

Lower SS age and raise the cap.

Reduce defense spending and start a massive program to upgrade the nations infrastructure.

The above are all reasonable things we should be fighting for.

 

CobaltBlue

(1,122 posts)
138. DonViejo—25 of the 26 states in Richard Nixon’s 1960 column…
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 02:31 AM
Jun 2016

flipped Democratic in 1964 for Lyndon Johnson.

Barry Goldwater—whose home state, Arizona, was the only one to carry for Nixon and then Goldwater—was such an epic disaster that it’s not difficult to understand how or why.

Squinch

(51,026 posts)
17. LOL! She's really not in any "pickle." She's winning by wider margins every day, and
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 03:06 PM
Jun 2016

she's attracting people from the far left and center right while running on a very progressive platform.

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
100. In fact, she's cut into them even since last month!
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 10:26 PM
Jun 2016
A Stop Trump Movement

Last month, 20 percent of Sanders supporters said they would back Trump over Clinton in the general election. This month, that figure is down to 8 percent.

Well, it's June 2016, and that same figure this time is down to 8 percent already. What's more, the 81 percent of Sanders backers who are now behind Clinton is a higher number than in any poll of 2008 Clinton backers who rallied to Obama. The high that year was 74 percent, in October.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/26/donald-trumps-bad-month-just-got-worse-because-bernie-backers-just-rallied-to-clinton/?tid=sm_fb

Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #5)

tallahasseedem

(6,716 posts)
66. The fact is that...
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 07:06 PM
Jun 2016

she would lose more voters by adopting Sanders' Socialistic policies. The US is a Democracy and should remain as such. Nothing will turn off the general electorate more than advocating the move towards Socialism. I know that this was a huge turnoff to Southern New Jersey where HRC beat Sanders handidly.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
123. The goal is to be ambitious, or it should be.
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 12:16 PM
Jun 2016

The time when we can afford incremental reform will soon be passing, if it hasn't already. Sanders is right to ask Clinton to think bigger. She's voasted to the nomibation, and is poised to coast into the presidency. I want to see her sweat more, and to propose things that maybe we haven't even thought of yet.

The system's broke. Just propping it up is allowing a lot of misery to linger, and to increase.

grossproffit

(5,591 posts)
6. "I supported Sanders. I don't feel we are ready for a woman president yet." from the comments.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 02:41 PM
Jun 2016


And some said that sexism plays no part.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
12. Oh please...
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 02:54 PM
Jun 2016

...you find one asshole who's a sexist and then try to paint Bernie supporters as such.

I'm sure there is no Hillary supporter out there who supports her for the wrong reasons. We've had people right here on DU who posted absolutely anti-Semitic stuff about Bernie, but I didn't see you in those threads puking away. Nor would I try to imply that that is why Hillary supporters don't support Bernie. But it exists also, and I can find instances to point to, just like you can for your position. Difference being, I know better than to take one instance and use it to paint opponents with a broad brush.

indeed.

grossproffit

(5,591 posts)
38. I know an older lady who won't vote for a woman president, but thinks a woman VP is ok.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 04:34 PM
Jun 2016

She also said that she wouldn't vote for that said woman if she then ran for president after her term as VP ended.

Mind boggling, but there are people our there like that.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
65. Of course there are people out there like that...
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 06:48 PM
Jun 2016

...but that older lady is just one person. I don't think there are very many women who think that way, and it would be wrong to assume she represents a larger constituency.

Of course sexism exists. So does anti-Semitism. Both played their roles. Sexism undoubtedly played a larger role in the opposition to Hillary than in the opposition to Bernie -- but IMO, and from polls I have seen, sexism was not ever a big reason why Bernie supporters wanted him rather than Hillary as the nominee.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
16. Yes, I think I saw that comment. I think it was made by a female Clinton supporter.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 03:05 PM
Jun 2016

Isn't it a shame you can't trust what anonymous people say on the intertubes?

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
99. Consider his choice of the word "bold"
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 10:20 PM
Jun 2016

What do the antonyms have in common?

Antonyms for bold
afraid
cautious
cowardly
fearful
meek
shy
timid
unadventurous
weak
faint
fair
light
quiet
reticent
retiring
timorous

http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/bold


Aren't most of those associated with an unflattering stereotype of a woman? While the synonyms -valorous, heroic, valiant- typically are not. I do not like this at all. It's almost as though that comment is an appropriate response to what Sanders said!

Lucky Luciano

(11,262 posts)
104. Bold means don't be afraid to spend your political capital.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 10:46 PM
Jun 2016

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Don't wait until gay marriage is popular enough before you come out in favor of it - for example.

If she is who she is claiming to be, then she can do it - and sanders knows this. If she pushes for $15/hr, she will win the presidency by more - not less - and she will be doing the right thing....but it might piss off her backers.

Bill was the same way, so not a slam on Hillary. Almost all politicians are the same way in fact. Don't be so focused on focus groups - fight for the core principles unapologetically. Sanders showed this can be done. Hillary should do it too.

LuvLoogie

(7,040 posts)
114. Bernie is free to spend his own political capital as he sees fit. Hillary already has
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 11:28 PM
Jun 2016

the working relationships. She is now seeking the office. It seems that her sustained, steady approach is effective.

Chathamization

(1,638 posts)
140. "We aren't ready for a woman president and a woman vice-president"-comments were made here several
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 08:55 AM
Jun 2016

times when Warren was being talked about as a possible VP pick. Those comments weren't even hidden.

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
7. platform battle
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 02:41 PM
Jun 2016
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/26/politics/bernie-sanders-democratic-platform/

http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-06-25/democrats-approved-platform-draft-with-sanders-imprint

'Hillary Clinton's supporters turned back efforts by Sanders' allies to promote a Medicare-for-all single-payer health care system and a carbon tax to address climate change, and freeze hydraulic fracking.'

'In many cases, Clinton's side gave ground to Sanders. The document calls for the expansion of Social Security and says Americans should earn at least $15 an hour, referring to the current minimum wage of $7.25 an hour as a "starvation wage," a term often used by Sanders.

Sanders has pushed for a $15-an-hour minimum wage. Clinton has supported efforts to raise the minimum wage to that level but has said states and cities should raise the bar as high as possible.

Sanders' allies wanted the draft to specify calls for a $15 per hour minimum wage indexed with inflation. Clinton's side struck down a direct link, noting the document elsewhere included a call to "raise and index the minimum wage."'

'Sanders, a vociferous opponent of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, was unable to get language into the document opposing the trade deal. As a result, the party avoided an awkward scenario that would have put the platform at odds with President Barack Obama.

Clinton and Sanders have opposed the deal. Committee members backed a measure that said "there are a diversity of views in the party" on the pact and reaffirmed that Democrats contend any trade deal "must protect workers and the environment."

In a setback for Sanders, the panel narrowly rejected amendments that would have imposed a tax on carbon and imposed a national freeze on fracking.'

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JudyM

(29,293 posts)
60. That may be so, but she really needs to excuse herself from exercising any influence whatsoever,
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 06:01 PM
Jun 2016

in light of her performance.

The impotent "voice" she gave to Bernie in the platform negotiations is transparently kissing up to his supporters.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
109. I get a kick out of the demands some of you make.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 11:21 PM
Jun 2016

You would not be happy unless Bernie (who LOST), got to pick EVERYONE on the committee.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
64. This is like Golden State Warriors
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 06:45 PM
Jun 2016

getting to decide on which court the Cleveland Cavaliers should play in, what colors they should use and how much they should pay their players.

SMH

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tallahasseedem

(6,716 posts)
94. There is a reason why...
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 08:51 PM
Jun 2016

he didn't have more backing from his colleagues in the Senate. They've seen the way he works and they either don't like it or felt that Hillary was the better candidate. I believe both given the petulance.

MFM008

(19,823 posts)
26. Time to move on.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 04:03 PM
Jun 2016

in 29 days the convention will put an end to all this.
Time to move is when the Trumpster fire is burning brightest
Keep him down and he will never get up again.

Gothmog

(145,650 posts)
33. Sanders has won some major victories on the platform
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 04:21 PM
Jun 2016

However Sanders is still not happy http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/284930-sanders-we-won-some-very-important-victories-in I know that a number of Clinton delegates to Philadelphia, myself included, think that Sanders is pushing for too much and these Clinton are unhappy with too much being given up already.

I want to see what happens in Orlando at the full meeting of the platform committee and I would not bet on Sanders winning any floor fights in Philadelphia from what I am hearing from other Clinton delegates to the National convention

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giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
55. What ever happened to the good old days
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 05:42 PM
Jun 2016

when the person that lost accepted defeat graciously? MOM is a good example, BS could take a lesson or 2 from him.

Jury* this op is regarding BS refusing to endorse HRC, my statement is not an insult but purely an observation.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
61. This is going from absurd to bizarre
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 06:34 PM
Jun 2016

People have moved on past side-shows, footnotes and "also ran"s ..... Hillary 2016

BlueMTexpat

(15,374 posts)
69. Hillary HAS stood up and been bold
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 07:58 PM
Jun 2016

ALL her life.

These are literally the most patronizing and arrogant things the loser of a Dem primary has ever said to the winner in my lifetime.




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Evergreen Emerald

(13,071 posts)
76. The problem I have with this statement
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 08:15 PM
Jun 2016

Is that it is demeaning and feels like patronizing. I wonder what Clinton's gender has to do with this, and if Sanders would dare say the same thing about a man who had been a Senator and Secretary of state.

Backwards and in High Heels.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,071 posts)
81. I do not understand your post.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 08:23 PM
Jun 2016

The "smear" is that Clinton is not "bold" enough to be President. It is unfounded, without supporting facts. I do believe that calling out members is indeed improper.

Discuss the issue, rather than smear the poster.

brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
83. I don't think you understand what "calling out members" refers to.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 08:25 PM
Jun 2016

As for as "discussing the issue", you have yet to do so, preferring to outrageously label Bernie a sexist instead of addressing the points he raised.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,071 posts)
91. Your post has done nothing but attack me.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 08:38 PM
Jun 2016

Issues he raised: he raised nothing new, nothing insightful, nothing that Clinton could use in the future. Indeed, with her experience, and knowledge, she could likely provide Sanders a few tips. And yet, she is not going on national television suggesting that Sanders could be...(fill in the blank). She is showing respect.

I have heard it all: be bolder, don't be so bold, wear a dress, but not too short, and not too long, have you thought of parting your hair on the other side (this during a business meeting), your are too aggressive, and turn off people, you are too loud, you are too meek, let the man train you even though you have ten years more experience, you should think like I think and act like I act, except not too much like a man or you will turn people off. I could go on and on.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,071 posts)
88. It has definitely gotten old --Some day it will be a thing of the past
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 08:30 PM
Jun 2016

Unfortunately, that day is not today. But, the glass ceiling has cracks, and will give away very soon. Ms. Clinton is one of the smartest to ever run for President, and likely the most qualified ever to run. To have a former losing candidate actually tell her she is not "bold" enough, is at the least troubling, and makes my stomach hurt a bit.

Ms. Clinton could certainly give a few tips to Sanders.

athena

(4,187 posts)
122. What other minority group's concerns have "gotten old and dull"?
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 11:28 AM
Jun 2016

Pray tell. LGBT people's concerns: have they "gotten old and dull"? How about Jewish people's concerns about antisemitism? Or Black people's, or Asian people's concerns about racism? Is that "old and dull"? After how much time do we decide that a group has complained about unequal treatment long enough and should just shut up?

Let me guess: every other group that is and has been discriminated against has the right to speak out and deserves to be listened to, except women. Women should know our place and shut up. Right? Because no one wants to hear women talk about our desire for equal and fair treatment. No one wants to hear about women's perspective on the way we're treated in this society. The status quo, in which women know our place, suits everyone just fine, as long as women just accept it and avoid complaining about it.

It is so offensive that so many people think that women's concerns are irrelevant, old, or annoying. It is incredibly insulting. Sadly, all it shows is that women still are not considered the equal of men in our society. We're supposed to sit quietly, look beautiful and smile while we're young, and sit quietly, serve men, and disappear into the background when we're old. I'm sick of it.

R B Garr

(16,993 posts)
97. Absolutely correct, and he is a man who has sat out 11 Presidential elections since
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 09:54 PM
Jun 2016

he entered politics. "be bolder", lol. Where was he all those years when she was sticking her neck out.

Loki

(3,825 posts)
87. It doesn't matter what she says or what she does
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 08:30 PM
Jun 2016

it will never be enough for him. Frankly, I don't care anymore.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
95. I just got up from a nap
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 09:17 PM
Jun 2016

Is Bernie the nominee? I have supported Hillary for years. And I'm not angry with Bernie or his supporters but sheesh, what does he want? She won fair and square. She is going to follow Obama as leader of the dem party, not Bernie.

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chillfactor

(7,584 posts)
108. I am really tired of this.....
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 11:19 PM
Jun 2016

sanders ran as a Democrat...if he was a TRUE Democrat he would have endorsed Hillary already.

Beacool

(30,253 posts)
112. The Democratic Convention is on July 25 -28.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 11:23 PM
Jun 2016

Literally a month from now. Does Sanders plan to continue to negotiate with Democrats for the next month over the party's platform? How about going out and campaigning against Trump?

After the convention we only have a bit over three months left before the election. Time's a wastin'.

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NanceGreggs

(27,820 posts)
132. We are long past the point ...
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 12:13 AM
Jun 2016

... when Bernie's endorsement or support means anything. Sooner or later, even HE will finally understand that.

In the meantime, he can make all the "demands" he likes - while people question which side he's really on.

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