2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders not ready to endorse Clinton: 'Stand up, be bolder'
Bernie Sanders is telling Hillary Clinton to "stand up" and "be bolder" on policies involving education and healthcare if she wants to win over his supporters.
"We are trying to say to Secretary Clinton and the Clinton campaign, 'Make it clear which side you are on,' " Sanders said Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union."
Sanders, who said Friday he would likely vote for Clinton, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, in the general election, hasn't suspended his presidential campaign or formally endorsed her. He is waiting for Clinton to make major concessions on policy issues, including on the minimum wage, healthcare and education.
"I think, right now, what we are doing is trying to say to the Clinton campaign: 'Stand up, be bolder than you have been,' and then many of those voters in fact may come on board," he said.
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http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/284931-sanders-to-clinton-stand-up-be-bolder-to-win-over
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)RazBerryBeret
(3,075 posts)which is posted here many times, clearly sums it up.
It's not just HIS responsibility to swing his supporters to her, SHE needs to help swing them to her camp as well.
this whole "winner/loser" rhetoric is getting old.
the winner can't just play "king of the mountain" and expect everyone to support them.
That's all he's saying, and I think that makes sense.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)Sanders clearly is saying one thing yesterday than another thing today. Hillary also has many more people to keep and swing. Those numbers of Sanders supporters? There are at least that many more Republicans that are repulsed by Trump and the GOP right now. then on top of that, those millions that voted for her in the primaries. If the Sanders supporters, and Sanders, want to be begged, that isn't going to happen. It IS about who won the primary. There IS a winner and a loser. It might e getting old to you because of who lost. All Sanders is saying right now is that he doesn't care if the people that supported him vote for Trump. His own words say that.
RazBerryBeret
(3,075 posts)this whole meme is ridiculous.
Sanders is not a man who wants to be begged and coddled and handled delicately. That is the way YOU need to think of him.
whatever gets you through.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)have been adopted and passed in various ways by Hillary.
This notion that she must somehow always do MORE and MORE and MORE to "earn" the votes of a handful of holdouts among his supporters is phony. She will never be Sanders for those who love him, but she has come through for those who care about issues and understand that there are serious tradeoffs required for and limits to what she can accomplish.
The fact is that by far most of Bernie's supporters have every intention of voting for her and always were and are pleased to have her as their second choice. The hostile pretenders that she could ever satisfy them will choose to remain unsatisfied, as I suspect they are almost every election.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)LuvLoogie
(7,040 posts)Hillary is more than "bold enough" it seems.
dflprincess
(28,086 posts)isn't really the same as supporting her.
LuvLoogie
(7,040 posts)is somehow less tainted? Try to feel good about it.
dflprincess
(28,086 posts)I will feel relieved if Trump is not elected, not about what I have to do to help make sure he isn't.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Among other things that includes admitting that he really did lose the primary and thus telling his supporters under no uncertain terms that his loss really was fair and square.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Either she wants the votes or she doesn't. Ain't rocket science.
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)Like 80% already have
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)You are trying to change the subject
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Ash_F
(5,861 posts)How is it different than what we have now?
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)She has stated that over and over. Sanders couldn't have delivered on the free college tuition either. She will give a policy statement on that issue before long. Right now, she is hammering the GOP will all of her might. After the GOP gets their nominee, more policy statements will begin to be heard. The GOP must be divided as it can be up to and after their convention. A division so strong that it can never be closed.
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Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Response to Ash_F (Reply #2)
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Ash_F
(5,861 posts)What is a "realistic family contribution"? Who decides what that is? What about students who don't have families?
Where and for whom will every student work 10 hours per week? This already exists to some degree. It is called work study and tops out at about 10-12 dollars per hour, though not everybody can get it because colleges often don't have that much work for students.
BainsBane
(53,075 posts)from early childhood to higher ed, not just subsidizing higher ed in ways that most benefit the upper-middle class.
It tackles the disparity in k-12 that ensures generations of Americans are unprepared for higher ed. Without that, any claims for addressing inequality are meaningless because poverty is ensured at the early childhood and K-12 stage.
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/college/
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/k-12-education/
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/early-childhood-education/
In her college plan, students are expected to contribute to their own education by working 10 hours a week. Segments of the upper-middle class may find that expectation unacceptable and believe their children's education should be subsidized by the pension and retirement funds of the working class. Clinton's plan doesn't accommodate that upward redistribution of income. It instead links federal contributions to a family's ability to pay, a sliding fee scale.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)If she is talking about work study, it already exists and has very limited availability.
Also it pays like 8-12 per hour so it doesn't really put a dent in tuition/books/rent/food ect.
BainsBane
(53,075 posts)It is work-study. Why not read the positions explained on her site?
Interesting you're more concerned about the availability of work-study jobs than the possibility of getting totally "free" education passed by a GOP congress. If the federal government links funding to work-study jobs, universities will follow by making them available, believe me. That's not a very heavy lift, certainly not in comparison to getting an education plan through congress.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)If the money to pay for work study for everyone will come from tax dollars, I have not seen her say this.
There are some other details that need explanation. Most universities don't have that much work study available. Not just because there is not enough money, but because there is limited work that students are qualified to do in the first place.
Once that is solved, then there is the issue that making 80-120 dollars a week(before taxes) is just a drop in the bucket of expenses that students must pay.
George Eliot
(701 posts)Unfortunate for Progressives that Trump is her opponent
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)thast desire? In 1964, I watched as Republicans jumped in to support LBJ over Barry Goldwater. There was none of this bull shit, "LBJ wants establishment Republicans;" everyone knew, Goldwater would have been a disaster and they bailed on Barry.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)If she comes out as a progressive, as Sen Sanders suggests, then I am wrong.
And Clinton isn't LBJ.
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)Sec'y Clinton and Sen Sanders voted in sync 93% of the time; she was rated the eleventh most liberal member of the Senate during her tenure. Granted, she isn't running around yelling, "I'm an Independent Democratic Socialist and I demand the Democratic Party change to meet my demands" but, we already know that.
I don't doubt for one second that if Clinton were LBJ, you'd be commenting, "she isn't JFK."
George Eliot
(701 posts)LBJ was more progressive than Clinton and by her own words she's moderate.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/10/politics/hillary-clinton-democrat-progressive/
She is our candidate and I accept that but don't change facts please. And of course she wants to attract as many voters as possible. The sixties were a different era. I will be interested to see what happens on the right this time. You may be right about that.
"You know, I get accused of being kind of moderate and center," Clinton told the audience at a Women for Hillary event in Ohio. "I plead guilty."
The line is new for Clinton, who spent a large portion of her early campaign casting herself as a liberal fighter who has been progressive for her entire life. To many on the left, those lines never really rang true.
"I take a backseat to no one," Clinton told a New Hampshire audience in July, "When you look at my record in standing up and fighting for progressive values."
That line was seen as a subtle shot at independent Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, who is running to the left of Clinton.
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The Clintons -- both Bill and Hillary -- have long been seen as centrist Democrats, politicians willing to work with Republicans to strike compromise deals. Bill Clinton did this consistently in the White House, pushing free trade agreements and prioritizing debt reduction.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)He was great on civil rights but like a lot of politicians his record is a mixed bag. There are no perfect pols and that includes FDR
George Eliot
(701 posts)dflprincess
(28,086 posts)his original plan was that it would expand until we were all covered and actually had access to healthcare, not just be required to have health insurance (that many still can't afford to use, thanks to large out of pockets).
He had a number of anti-poverty programs. The problem is most of them weren't given enough time to see how well they worked in the long run.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Your portrai of Sen Sanders is ridiculous. Millions support his quest to get some progressive change that we desperately need. A recent headline stated that the Democratic Platform was more progressive than ever before. This is because the Progressives pushed and pushed to get $15 min wage, no fracking, no TPP, etc. They managed to convince the Clinton side to compromise but didn't get all the PROGRESSIVE issues they wanted. May you'd like it better if I said that Sen Sanders and his millions of supporters have encouraged Clinton to become more progressive.
Re. your last sentence, I most certainly would if someone were to intimate that they were the same.
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pangaia
(24,324 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)extremists, and here I get told that Sen Sanders and Clinton are not that far apart. I wish they'd get their talking points coordinated.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I can only imagine the mental convenience afforded by pretending people with different onions adhere to talking points. Quite irrational, but bias often is... and many require the mental convenience as well.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)And forget about trying to woo Republicans who would never vote for anyway. Wooing Republicans will drive away much of her support base, who are sick and tired of right wing.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)On doing the same thing? Wasn't he going to try and lure in Trump supporters? If I am no mistaken a lot of republicans voted for him in the primaries, was that OK?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)moderate Republicans. Is that your point? I think she will. Every Republican vote she can steal from Trump is worth two votes from the Left.
senz
(11,945 posts)who know they've been subdued and screwed over by the system. Sec. Clinton's appeal seems to be to a different segment of Republicanism.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)No, he wasn't going to 'shift to the center' on anything. Their attraction to him was policy and honesty based. If you want to understand how he attracts them, just watch the speech he gave at Liberty University. He handed their asses to them and they knew it.
Was a thing of beauty.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
sheshe2
(83,945 posts)mcar
(42,390 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Prisons For Profits? On the Iraq war? On min wage? The millions of Sen Sanders supporters don't agree with you and hope like hell to influence her to be more progressive.
LeFleur1
(1,197 posts)Sanders supporters would stop lying about Hillary. She never supported Prisons for Profit. She wasn't the only Senator to vote to go into Iraq after Bush lied to all of them. She supported a graduated minimum wage. Mississippi's cost of living is less than the State of NY's cost of living. She wanted community colleges to be free, and work programs and lower costs for four year schools
Whatever Sanders ideas and policies were, and whatever his plans were to make them come to be, he didn't get the votes to do it, so it really seems that the majority of Democrats weren't in gung ho agreement with whatever his plans were. He lost. And that means voters not only liked Hillary's plans better, they thought she had a better chance to push them through.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Eliminate Prisons for Profits and not accept campaign help from them. Legalize recreational marijuana use or at least reduce the sentencing lengths.
Be more progressive on foreign policy. We don't need any more of our troops dying or getting wounded.
Support a aggressive "graduated minimum wage" (two years) that has a higher goal than $12 per hour. It should be considered a livable wage for at least one adult and one child.
Support free community colleges for those that academically qualify. Bravo if she already does. I'd love a link. Also, a significant help to parents for 4 years college students, like tuition and books fully tax deductible even if one doesn't itemize.
A plan to end all fracking within 2 years, no if ands or buts.
A strong stand against the TPP and other job killing so-called Free Trade Agreements.
A humane position on medical marijuana use.
Lower SS age and raise the cap.
Reduce defense spending and start a massive program to upgrade the nations infrastructure.
The above are all reasonable things we should be fighting for.
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)Returned any of their money?
CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)flipped Democratic in 1964 for Lyndon Johnson.
Barry Goldwaterwhose home state, Arizona, was the only one to carry for Nixon and then Goldwaterwas such an epic disaster that its not difficult to understand how or why.
Squinch
(51,026 posts)she's attracting people from the far left and center right while running on a very progressive platform.
still_one
(92,435 posts)Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)Last month, 20 percent of Sanders supporters said they would back Trump over Clinton in the general election. This month, that figure is down to 8 percent.
Well, it's June 2016, and that same figure this time is down to 8 percent already. What's more, the 81 percent of Sanders backers who are now behind Clinton is a higher number than in any poll of 2008 Clinton backers who rallied to Obama. The high that year was 74 percent, in October.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/26/donald-trumps-bad-month-just-got-worse-because-bernie-backers-just-rallied-to-clinton/?tid=sm_fb
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)NurseJackie
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tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)she would lose more voters by adopting Sanders' Socialistic policies. The US is a Democracy and should remain as such. Nothing will turn off the general electorate more than advocating the move towards Socialism. I know that this was a huge turnoff to Southern New Jersey where HRC beat Sanders handidly.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)The time when we can afford incremental reform will soon be passing, if it hasn't already. Sanders is right to ask Clinton to think bigger. She's voasted to the nomibation, and is poised to coast into the presidency. I want to see her sweat more, and to propose things that maybe we haven't even thought of yet.
The system's broke. Just propping it up is allowing a lot of misery to linger, and to increase.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)And some said that sexism plays no part.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...you find one asshole who's a sexist and then try to paint Bernie supporters as such.
I'm sure there is no Hillary supporter out there who supports her for the wrong reasons. We've had people right here on DU who posted absolutely anti-Semitic stuff about Bernie, but I didn't see you in those threads puking away. Nor would I try to imply that that is why Hillary supporters don't support Bernie. But it exists also, and I can find instances to point to, just like you can for your position. Difference being, I know better than to take one instance and use it to paint opponents with a broad brush.
indeed.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)She also said that she wouldn't vote for that said woman if she then ran for president after her term as VP ended.
Mind boggling, but there are people our there like that.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...but that older lady is just one person. I don't think there are very many women who think that way, and it would be wrong to assume she represents a larger constituency.
Of course sexism exists. So does anti-Semitism. Both played their roles. Sexism undoubtedly played a larger role in the opposition to Hillary than in the opposition to Bernie -- but IMO, and from polls I have seen, sexism was not ever a big reason why Bernie supporters wanted him rather than Hillary as the nominee.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Isn't it a shame you can't trust what anonymous people say on the intertubes?
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)What do the antonyms have in common?
afraid
cautious
cowardly
fearful
meek
shy
timid
unadventurous
weak
faint
fair
light
quiet
reticent
retiring
timorous
http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/bold
Aren't most of those associated with an unflattering stereotype of a woman? While the synonyms -valorous, heroic, valiant- typically are not. I do not like this at all. It's almost as though that comment is an appropriate response to what Sanders said!
Lucky Luciano
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Don't wait until gay marriage is popular enough before you come out in favor of it - for example.
If she is who she is claiming to be, then she can do it - and sanders knows this. If she pushes for $15/hr, she will win the presidency by more - not less - and she will be doing the right thing....but it might piss off her backers.
Bill was the same way, so not a slam on Hillary. Almost all politicians are the same way in fact. Don't be so focused on focus groups - fight for the core principles unapologetically. Sanders showed this can be done. Hillary should do it too.
LuvLoogie
(7,040 posts)the working relationships. She is now seeking the office. It seems that her sustained, steady approach is effective.
Chathamization
(1,638 posts)times when Warren was being talked about as a possible VP pick. Those comments weren't even hidden.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-06-25/democrats-approved-platform-draft-with-sanders-imprint
'Hillary Clinton's supporters turned back efforts by Sanders' allies to promote a Medicare-for-all single-payer health care system and a carbon tax to address climate change, and freeze hydraulic fracking.'
'In many cases, Clinton's side gave ground to Sanders. The document calls for the expansion of Social Security and says Americans should earn at least $15 an hour, referring to the current minimum wage of $7.25 an hour as a "starvation wage," a term often used by Sanders.
Sanders has pushed for a $15-an-hour minimum wage. Clinton has supported efforts to raise the minimum wage to that level but has said states and cities should raise the bar as high as possible.
Sanders' allies wanted the draft to specify calls for a $15 per hour minimum wage indexed with inflation. Clinton's side struck down a direct link, noting the document elsewhere included a call to "raise and index the minimum wage."'
'Sanders, a vociferous opponent of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, was unable to get language into the document opposing the trade deal. As a result, the party avoided an awkward scenario that would have put the platform at odds with President Barack Obama.
Clinton and Sanders have opposed the deal. Committee members backed a measure that said "there are a diversity of views in the party" on the pact and reaffirmed that Democrats contend any trade deal "must protect workers and the environment."
In a setback for Sanders, the panel narrowly rejected amendments that would have imposed a tax on carbon and imposed a national freeze on fracking.'
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dsc
(52,169 posts)she gave up a power that she had.
JudyM
(29,293 posts)in light of her performance.
The impotent "voice" she gave to Bernie in the platform negotiations is transparently kissing up to his supporters.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)You would not be happy unless Bernie (who LOST), got to pick EVERYONE on the committee.
840high
(17,196 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)getting to decide on which court the Cleveland Cavaliers should play in, what colors they should use and how much they should pay their players.
SMH
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George II
(67,782 posts)DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)Squinch
(51,026 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)My message to Hillary is forget about Bernie.
still_one
(92,435 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Cha
(297,774 posts)tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)he didn't have more backing from his colleagues in the Senate. They've seen the way he works and they either don't like it or felt that Hillary was the better candidate. I believe both given the petulance.
ismnotwasm
(42,019 posts)ronnykmarshall
(35,356 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)MFM008
(19,823 posts)in 29 days the convention will put an end to all this.
Time to move is when the Trumpster fire is burning brightest
Keep him down and he will never get up again.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Too bad his "be bolder" didn't work for him in the primaries.
SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,385 posts)Gothmog
(145,650 posts)However Sanders is still not happy http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/284930-sanders-we-won-some-very-important-victories-in I know that a number of Clinton delegates to Philadelphia, myself included, think that Sanders is pushing for too much and these Clinton are unhappy with too much being given up already.
I want to see what happens in Orlando at the full meeting of the platform committee and I would not bet on Sanders winning any floor fights in Philadelphia from what I am hearing from other Clinton delegates to the National convention
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DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)Gothmog
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giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)when the person that lost accepted defeat graciously? MOM is a good example, BS could take a lesson or 2 from him.
Jury* this op is regarding BS refusing to endorse HRC, my statement is not an insult but purely an observation.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)People have moved on past side-shows, footnotes and "also ran"s ..... Hillary 2016
William769
(55,148 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,374 posts)ALL her life.
These are literally the most patronizing and arrogant things the loser of a Dem primary has ever said to the winner in my lifetime.
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)And yet she refuses to lobby against it.
Is that being bold?
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Evergreen Emerald
(13,071 posts)Is that it is demeaning and feels like patronizing. I wonder what Clinton's gender has to do with this, and if Sanders would dare say the same thing about a man who had been a Senator and Secretary of state.
Backwards and in High Heels.
sheshe2
(83,945 posts)brentspeak
(18,290 posts)Evergreen Emerald
(13,071 posts)The "smear" is that Clinton is not "bold" enough to be President. It is unfounded, without supporting facts. I do believe that calling out members is indeed improper.
Discuss the issue, rather than smear the poster.
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)As for as "discussing the issue", you have yet to do so, preferring to outrageously label Bernie a sexist instead of addressing the points he raised.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,071 posts)Issues he raised: he raised nothing new, nothing insightful, nothing that Clinton could use in the future. Indeed, with her experience, and knowledge, she could likely provide Sanders a few tips. And yet, she is not going on national television suggesting that Sanders could be...(fill in the blank). She is showing respect.
I have heard it all: be bolder, don't be so bold, wear a dress, but not too short, and not too long, have you thought of parting your hair on the other side (this during a business meeting), your are too aggressive, and turn off people, you are too loud, you are too meek, let the man train you even though you have ten years more experience, you should think like I think and act like I act, except not too much like a man or you will turn people off. I could go on and on.
desmiller
(747 posts)dull.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,071 posts)Unfortunately, that day is not today. But, the glass ceiling has cracks, and will give away very soon. Ms. Clinton is one of the smartest to ever run for President, and likely the most qualified ever to run. To have a former losing candidate actually tell her she is not "bold" enough, is at the least troubling, and makes my stomach hurt a bit.
Ms. Clinton could certainly give a few tips to Sanders.
athena
(4,187 posts)Pray tell. LGBT people's concerns: have they "gotten old and dull"? How about Jewish people's concerns about antisemitism? Or Black people's, or Asian people's concerns about racism? Is that "old and dull"? After how much time do we decide that a group has complained about unequal treatment long enough and should just shut up?
Let me guess: every other group that is and has been discriminated against has the right to speak out and deserves to be listened to, except women. Women should know our place and shut up. Right? Because no one wants to hear women talk about our desire for equal and fair treatment. No one wants to hear about women's perspective on the way we're treated in this society. The status quo, in which women know our place, suits everyone just fine, as long as women just accept it and avoid complaining about it.
It is so offensive that so many people think that women's concerns are irrelevant, old, or annoying. It is incredibly insulting. Sadly, all it shows is that women still are not considered the equal of men in our society. We're supposed to sit quietly, look beautiful and smile while we're young, and sit quietly, serve men, and disappear into the background when we're old. I'm sick of it.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,071 posts)Exactly the right response. Thank you .
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)R B Garr
(16,993 posts)he entered politics. "be bolder", lol. Where was he all those years when she was sticking her neck out.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Nobody wants to hear his unneeded, unsolicited and unreasonable advice.
R B Garr
(16,993 posts)Yeah, his advice is exactly as you observed.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)my friend.
Loki
(3,825 posts)it will never be enough for him. Frankly, I don't care anymore.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)gwheezie
(3,580 posts)Is Bernie the nominee? I have supported Hillary for years. And I'm not angry with Bernie or his supporters but sheesh, what does he want? She won fair and square. She is going to follow Obama as leader of the dem party, not Bernie.
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chillfactor
(7,584 posts)sanders ran as a Democrat...if he was a TRUE Democrat he would have endorsed Hillary already.
Beacool
(30,253 posts)Literally a month from now. Does Sanders plan to continue to negotiate with Democrats for the next month over the party's platform? How about going out and campaigning against Trump?
After the convention we only have a bit over three months left before the election. Time's a wastin'.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)riversedge
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NanceGreggs
(27,820 posts)... when Bernie's endorsement or support means anything. Sooner or later, even HE will finally understand that.
In the meantime, he can make all the "demands" he likes - while people question which side he's really on.