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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 09:53 AM Jun 2016

CBS News: What Went Wrong and Right for Bernie Sanders

The landslide New Hampshire victory finally put the campaign in a different frame of mind. "It gave us confidence that we could fight," says Jane Sanders. She calls the New Hampshire blowout "humbling, moving and surprising."

But then came Nevada, where a harsh reality set in: the Sanders campaign had not scaled up with talented teams beyond the first two states. The campaign had fired the original state director, and replacement Joan Kato was no better. With three weeks to go before the caucuses, the campaign still did not yet have chairs for every precinct.


There were other signs Kato was overmatched. At one point shortly before the caucuses, she instructed staff to buy double-sided coins -- in case coin-flips were needed to decide any of the caucuses in the event of a tie, according to staffers. In the end, Sanders lost Nevada by about a 5 percent
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And there was a certain irony at the very heart of the campaign: Sanders' inner-circle primarily consisted older white men who, like Weaver, had known him for decades, while his real support base was among the young, a group they had trouble relating to.margin. Although the campaign felt Kato had run a faulty field operation, she was not let go, instead staying on with the campaign as the national delegate director."



http://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-went-wrong-and-right-for-bernie-sanders/
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CBS News: What Went Wrong and Right for Bernie Sanders (Original Post) ehrnst Jun 2016 OP
As Sanders advisors said after the CA vote, Bernie called the shots. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #1
The ability to choose advisors and campaign staff well is critical to a candidates' success. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2016 #2
I see that mistake made in the business world all the time MaggieD Jun 2016 #6
I see the same thing bravenak Jun 2016 #34
At the least a business or organization should have personnel that matches LiberalFighter Jun 2016 #40
Double-sided coins for coin flips? brush Jun 2016 #3
That was probably a joke unc70 Jun 2016 #4
Yeah, that one demonstrate complete ignorance about Nevada Caucuses. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #11
What does that mean, "double-sided coin"? calimary Jun 2016 #39
They wanted to cheat. nt Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 #42
I was afraid of that. calimary Jun 2016 #52
Its called a joke... GeorgiaPeanuts Jun 2016 #53
Sure it was. By the way Bernie actually won a large number in IA. synergie Jun 2016 #60
Well okay, I guess. But it's not very funny. calimary Jul 2016 #61
It does. A phony coin with two tails or two heads to win coin flips. brush Jun 2016 #49
He relied on large rallies and had no ground game and failed miserably to organize his supporters KittyWampus Jun 2016 #5
He didn't use his resources well MaggieD Jun 2016 #9
easy to critique his hiring choices, but realistically Clinton had already locked up geek tragedy Jun 2016 #7
That's a good point MaggieD Jun 2016 #10
I dunno, that campaign overachieved all things considered nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #13
Also true nt MaggieD Jun 2016 #16
It did surprisingly well, all things considered.... Adrahil Jun 2016 #18
He way outspent Hillary ehrnst Jun 2016 #29
I thought that the reason the guy in CA quite was because he wanted to focus on the ground game and politicaljunkie41910 Jun 2016 #46
Yes, that's correct. I also think that if he had hired enough staff for ehrnst Jun 2016 #56
I'm sure there was no shortage of good campaign people. LiberalFighter Jun 2016 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Jun 2016 #14
Interesting that you say "Locked up." ehrnst Jun 2016 #15
That's what I was thinking democrattotheend Jun 2016 #50
I thought about posting this...and then thought I'd be accused of "revisiting" the Primary brooklynite Jun 2016 #8
"Lessons Learned" is a positive activity, otherwise mistakes will be repeated. FSogol Jun 2016 #12
And of course the media bias RobertEarl Jun 2016 #17
If you want to talk about media "bias".... ehrnst Jun 2016 #19
The only bad press is no press at all demwing Jun 2016 #23
No. Not really. ehrnst Jun 2016 #24
Yes. Really. demwing Jun 2016 #26
Well, then we disagree. ehrnst Jun 2016 #27
It's an outdated concept that wasn't ever really true. These days with social media and stevenleser Jun 2016 #37
That is true for a Hollywood actor, not a politician. nt stevenleser Jun 2016 #36
I honestly did not see that. Adrahil Jun 2016 #20
There was a critical month or two late 2015. Armstead Jun 2016 #41
I didn't get that impression at all from viewing coverage. Jitter65 Jun 2016 #21
Absolutely. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2016 #28
That is the way I saw it. I saw Sanders on more than I did Clinton. LiberalFighter Jun 2016 #44
Ditto MaggieD Jun 2016 #51
Never once felt the media hated Bernie... apcalc Jun 2016 #35
Not being Hillary Clinton. Orsino Jun 2016 #22
However, Bernie outspent Hillary ehrnst Jun 2016 #25
The built-in connections and fan base of the Clintons would certainly have been a big help. Orsino Jun 2016 #31
Agreed. I was always a fan of his issues. ehrnst Jun 2016 #32
Single-payer is the most cost-effective way to cover everyone... Orsino Jun 2016 #54
Yes, however, it's not really possible at this point. ehrnst Jun 2016 #55
"Possible" and "feasible" are defeatist framing. Orsino Jun 2016 #59
There are other ways to achieve universal coverage than Single Payer ehrnst Jul 2016 #62
I believe I just said all that. Orsino Jul 2016 #63
I think he also started too late. eom charlyvi Jun 2016 #45
Nevada was where the race ended Renew Deal Jun 2016 #30
I felt that way, too. calimary Jun 2016 #38
I thought it ended in Iowa. It was obvious to me that if Bernie didnt win big victories in all the stevenleser Jun 2016 #47
Any progressive insurgency needs to forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #33
My assessment is that Sanders ran a remarkably conventional campaign. brooklynite Jun 2016 #57
It was there but forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #58
Bernie Sanders? Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2016 #48
 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
1. As Sanders advisors said after the CA vote, Bernie called the shots.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 10:21 AM
Jun 2016

He also picked advisers that looked just like he did.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
2. The ability to choose advisors and campaign staff well is critical to a candidates' success. (nt)
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 10:24 AM
Jun 2016
 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
6. I see that mistake made in the business world all the time
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 10:37 AM
Jun 2016

I am a business consultant and I see leaders make the mistake of hiring people just like themselves all the time, when what they should be doing is hiring people that bring a diverse set of skills, strengths, and viewpoints to the leadership team.

It's a big mistake (and frankly one made mostly by men). I think it's born of an inability to realize and accept ones own weaknesses. Just my opinion.

LiberalFighter

(50,871 posts)
40. At the least a business or organization should have personnel that matches
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 04:47 PM
Jun 2016

their market or members. Even then the need for employees that have experience in the process is in important.

In the automotive world they have engineers that know how to design vehicles and employees that know how to assemble the vehicles. And then there are the IE's and mgmt that think they know what it takes for assemblers to do their work. Many times they have never had experience working on the line but think they know better than everyone else because they have a college degree.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
11. Yeah, that one demonstrate complete ignorance about Nevada Caucuses.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 10:57 AM
Jun 2016

Nevada always has a draw of cards in a tie.

calimary

(81,209 posts)
39. What does that mean, "double-sided coin"?
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 04:42 PM
Jun 2016

Curious. I hope it doesn't mean what I think it does.

calimary

(81,209 posts)
52. I was afraid of that.
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:23 PM
Jun 2016

Didn't want to believe it but that was my first thought. Amazing how that little tidbit didn't get out til now.

 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
53. Its called a joke...
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:27 PM
Jun 2016

In regards to the coin flips from Iowa where Hillary had won a large number of them.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
5. He relied on large rallies and had no ground game and failed miserably to organize his supporters
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 10:30 AM
Jun 2016

and get them to the polls.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
9. He didn't use his resources well
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 10:45 AM
Jun 2016

Large rallies are expensive. He may have preferred the adoration but the money would have been better spent on staffing and a good ground game. Cornell West as a surrogate was a major mistake as well. Bernie must not have realized how much the AA community dislikes West.

Obviously I am a huge Clinton supporter so I have to admit I was secretly pleased to see him make those mistakes. He had a ton of money so it could have been dicey for Clinton without those self inflicted wounds.

Again, just my opinion as a long time political activist and observer.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
7. easy to critique his hiring choices, but realistically Clinton had already locked up
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 10:39 AM
Jun 2016

the vast majority of organizational talent--he didn't have that many options.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
10. That's a good point
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 10:47 AM
Jun 2016

But on the other hand with only 2 viable candidates he did have some choices. Tad Devine was an exceptionally bad one IMO. Bad track record. And Weaver just lacked experience.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
18. It did surprisingly well, all things considered....
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 01:22 PM
Jun 2016

though in the end he still lost, and there were some choices made that affected this. He did spend a LOT of resources on big rallies that in the end probably did not help him all that much, especially late in the race. Ground game wins, which Trump is going to find out.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
29. He way outspent Hillary
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 02:23 PM
Jun 2016

mostly on Ads, and skimped into staff salaries instead. That really showed when his CA organizer quit less than a month before the primaries.

If you don't have good staff, or you brush them off when they have a different POV, then anything you try to do will suffer, and you won't get anything done, no matter the ideals.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
46. I thought that the reason the guy in CA quite was because he wanted to focus on the ground game and
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 05:04 PM
Jun 2016

the campaign wanted to spend the money elsewhere. I believe the campaign wanted to spend it on advertising and even the media said that was a poor decision because advertising was very costly in a diverse state like California.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
56. Yes, that's correct. I also think that if he had hired enough staff for
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 01:00 PM
Jun 2016

the field in CA, he may have done better, and would have kept his CA guy.

LiberalFighter

(50,871 posts)
43. I'm sure there was no shortage of good campaign people.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 04:52 PM
Jun 2016

With Sanders not being considered a serious candidate that might had been the issue. Along with Sanders not campaigning early on to win. At least the latter I perceived was the case.

Response to geek tragedy (Reply #7)

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
15. Interesting that you say "Locked up."
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 11:29 AM
Jun 2016

However people are free to leave the campaign, as we saw with Sanders' CA director.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
50. That's what I was thinking
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 11:55 PM
Jun 2016

Nobody took him seriously at first, so few top tier Democratic campaign pros were willing to take a risk on him.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
17. And of course the media bias
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 12:12 PM
Jun 2016

The media hated Bernie. How dare he run for president! How dare someone challenge the status quo by talking about how screwed up this country is.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
19. If you want to talk about media "bias"....
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 01:22 PM
Jun 2016

"The Harvard researchers’ findings match those of Crimson Hexagon, a social media analytics firm in Boston. As we reported in April, Crimson Hexagon, when looking at top-tier news outlets, also found that the media had slammed Clinton more than any other candidate.

The methodology of the Harvard study is different. But it also supports the notion that, if the media has been biased against Sanders, it’s not because they’ve been particularly kind to Clinton.

"Sanders’ media coverage during the pre-primary period was a sore spot with his followers, who complained the media was biased against his candidacy. In relative terms at least, their complaint lacks substance," writes Harvard government professor Thomas E. Patterson in the report."


http://www.vox.com/2016/6/20/11949860/media-coverage-hillary-clinton
 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
23. The only bad press is no press at all
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 02:09 PM
Jun 2016

if Bernie got slammed less it was only because he was dismissed and ignored

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
26. Yes. Really.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 02:16 PM
Jun 2016

being talked about - even negatively - gives a campaign an air of legitimacy, and beats being ignored.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
27. Well, then we disagree.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 02:18 PM
Jun 2016

The sheer amount of negative press, both reliable and not reliable, has been posted and shared by people who don't back Hillary as reasons not to vote for her.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
37. It's an outdated concept that wasn't ever really true. These days with social media and
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 04:39 PM
Jun 2016

the rest of the internet, the press is much less important in terms of non-coverage than it used to be.

A small twitter campaign can easily reach 100,000 people.

On the other hand, negative coverage can easily overwhelm and destroy a campaign.

"The only bad press is no press" maxim is true for Hollywood actors, not politicians.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
20. I honestly did not see that.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 01:23 PM
Jun 2016

Maybe it was a matter of perspective, but I saw him on TV all the time, and the vast majority of time, his coverage was pretty positive.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
41. There was a critical month or two late 2015.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 04:49 PM
Jun 2016

..when he was basically invisible. His campaign had very little coverage aND it was already cast as Clinton vs the GOP

Only after New Year did they start paying attention again, when he got too big to ignore

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
21. I didn't get that impression at all from viewing coverage.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 01:46 PM
Jun 2016

Bernie received more positive coverage than negative and I saw him more often on cable shows than Hillary. It was almost as though the media was giving him every opportunity get his message out while mostly reporting on what the GOP and Trump was saying about Hillary.

LiberalFighter

(50,871 posts)
44. That is the way I saw it. I saw Sanders on more than I did Clinton.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 04:55 PM
Jun 2016

And when Clinton was on it was mostly negative coverage.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
22. Not being Hillary Clinton.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 02:07 PM
Jun 2016

He deliberately hamstrung his campaign by not taking the easy money; this, however, was paradoxically one of his big draws.

Mainly, he began his campaign as a relative unknown opposing the default nominee, who enjoyed huge advantages in name recognition, connections and nostalgia. Not pkaying the same game is what Sanders "did wrong," but what he did was so very right that for a while there, he looked like more than a long shot.

"Wrong" here ultimately parses to "not Establishment."

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
25. However, Bernie outspent Hillary
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 02:15 PM
Jun 2016

and most of that went to ads, rather than quality staffers. I think that was a huge miscalculation, and showed a lack of ability to take counsel.

And I think his progressive peers in the Senate refusing to endorse him was a big issue in his loss.

If the people who have worked with you in your 25 year career as a politician don't endorse you, that sends a message.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
31. The built-in connections and fan base of the Clintons would certainly have been a big help.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 02:42 PM
Jun 2016

Sanders has played a different game. No, it is not the sort calculated to win the same old sort of primary, and an awful lot of money was laid out from the beginning to ensure that only the same old sort of primary was on.

What Sanders has shown us is a path toward something bigger and better, betting on us and our numbers to poss8bly win. Not enough of us were interested, and that much is something Sanders has to own, too. Had he been more photogenic, or more at ease, or more something, his message--the only part of his campaign that ultimately matters--might have caught on bigger and across more demographics.

What I can't fault him for is his startling success in giving us something to build on, and getting penetration with his platform into that of a major party. Those are enormous wins potentially much bigger than one election.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
32. Agreed. I was always a fan of his issues.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 03:11 PM
Jun 2016

However, I have worked with several Progressive orgs, and people I respect and admire all had that same things to say about him - lots of great ideas, but he alienates people with his refusal to compromise, his inability to take counsel, his assumption that he is the most intelligent person in the room, and his lack of willingness to support fellow progressives if it didn't further his interests.

His dogged insistence that single-payer is the only path to universal coverage, despite what the best non-partisan, self funded think tanks on the issue said proved to me that he didn't listen to anyone who doesn't agree with him.

That was a big appeal to many people, who thought of it as strength, but it made me think that he didn't have the people skills, or the diplomacy to work in the Oval Office.

However, I think that he'll get far more done in the Senate, pulling the conversation to the left as he has been doing successfully for the vast majority of his career in politics.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
54. Single-payer is the most cost-effective way to cover everyone...
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 09:35 AM
Jun 2016

...but health care doesn't exist in a vacuum. It's not as simple as waving a magic wand, because so much other work has to be done in advance and concurrently: namely, employing peopke who now work for private insurers.

Sanders never promised to eliminate an industry overnight, but he does insist that we keep talking about it.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
59. "Possible" and "feasible" are defeatist framing.
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 01:37 PM
Jun 2016

We need to be working yesterday to get coverage more affordable and closer to universal. It's already possible and feasible...we just lack the will.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
62. There are other ways to achieve universal coverage than Single Payer
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 11:40 AM
Jul 2016

Incremental changes to the ACA are possible - such as allowing people to buy into medicare earlier, and getting all kids covered.

Did you read the link in my post?

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
63. I believe I just said all that.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 05:07 PM
Jul 2016

I'm for whatever gets us closer to universal, affordable coverage. We'll eventually discover that single-payer is the most efficient way (even if there are multiple single-payer systems), but we're stuck with it until we figure out a safe way to delete the insurance industry.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
47. I thought it ended in Iowa. It was obvious to me that if Bernie didnt win big victories in all the
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 05:20 PM
Jun 2016

first three states, he wouldn't have the momentum he needed to get the money and support for the upcoming contests in the south. Hillary opened up her big lead in the south and never relinquished it.

As this notes, Bernie and his campaign could only put together serious efforts in Iowa and New Hampshire. Everything else had to come as a result of his performance in those states.

 

forjusticethunders

(1,151 posts)
33. Any progressive insurgency needs to
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 03:45 PM
Jun 2016

1: Have a powerful ground game which takes years to set up, with the staffing and organization to match. PREFERABLY, this ground game is either drawing from, organizing with, or otherwise acting as allies to local struggles.
2: Have strong appeal to POC (40% is your absolute minimum (and this is if you're killing it with white voters) taking all non-white groups as a whole he got like 30%).
3: Remember LGBT are something like 15% of the Democratic Party and Bernie lost them.
4: Be a fairly reliable Democrat and don't get sucked into the fever swamps of populist "leftism"; the mainstream Democrat may want a more progressive option but they truly don't buy into the "both sides are the same" shit, certainly the groups mentioned in 2 and 3.


The problem wasn't big rallies per se - the problem was that was the only tool in the toolbox for the Sanders campaign, and the candidate himself didn't have much street cred except with white populists who are only a small part of the left coalition.

brooklynite

(94,499 posts)
57. My assessment is that Sanders ran a remarkably conventional campaign.
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 01:06 PM
Jun 2016

Rallies to generate earned media and LOTS of TV ads. The early talk about uniquely tapping into social media never seemed to materialize.

 

forjusticethunders

(1,151 posts)
58. It was there but
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 01:09 PM
Jun 2016

It failed to translate into boots on the ground. Exciting people and organizing people is two different things.

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