2016 Postmortem
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It was all a big witch hunt and now we know for a fact. Progressives should have KNOWN what republicans do but instead many of you humped this story and joined republicans. I'm hoping some of you will apologize for joining in driving Hillary's numbers down for political reasons.
forest444
(5,902 posts)one wishes Wisconsin's Senator Bill Proxmire could come back from the dead to bestow his famed Golden Fleece awards.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)tonyt53
(5,737 posts)Emails, Benghazi, TPP, you name it.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)And it is wholly separate from the Benghazi nonsense.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)Otherwise, they would not be so quick to endorse her.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)I think they hope there is nothing more of consequence and that there will not be more to come out and I think they trust Hillary.
brush
(53,475 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)We don't yet know the final result, but the FBI and DOJ found enough to conduct the criminal investigation.
brush
(53,475 posts)It'll have the same result as Benghazi. There's no ferry forthcoming.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)to call the FBI criminal investigation a repug generated non-scandal is laughably naive.
brush
(53,475 posts)And said nothing about previous SOSs, and all the White House emails Chaney had deleted, or Jeb Bush's deleted emails?
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Who ordered the State OIG investigation?
brush
(53,475 posts)And what about the Rove/Chaney destruction of hundreds of thousands of White House emails, or Jeb Bush's deleted gubernatorial emails? If Clinton's handling of emails is so criminal and egregious, why weren't there "criminal" investigations on those "scandals".
Why?
Because repugs ignored their own "scandals" but zeroed in on the handling of Clinton's emails, even though previous repug SOSs Rice and Powell didn't handle their emails on antiquated government servers either.
It's nothing new though. They've been trying to bring down the Clintons since the '90s with Whitewater, Vince Foster, and Benghazi and on and on, Obama too with Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Fast and Furious, and Benghazi as well.
What's new is how many Dems have been carrying the water for them on this one.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)After all, he used private email too. This whole investigation was launched to satisfy the GOP witch hunters.
Everyone knows it, which is why both Obama and Lynch are unconcerned.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)You really think the FBI and DOJ are playing lackey to placate the GOP? That's just silly.
Form what is publicly known, the biggest area of risk for HIllary is that federal records in her custody were intentionally destroyed during a federal agency's investigation. The unanswered question is why, by whom and on whose direction.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)All in hopes of forwarding your own preferred political agenda.... and candidate.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)since recognized that. And following the reports of independent federal investigators like the state OIG and the FBI does not make me a GOP water carrier. You should apologize for your off base insult.
I've said repeatedly, the last fucking thing I want is for the FBI to recommend charges and hurt our chances at retaining the WH and losing to godamned trump. Step off.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)she ended her service as Secretary of State (2013), as is the normal practice*. It was at that time when she turned in work related emails and deleted personal emails.
* Well, maybe NOT so normal...Actually, Colin Powell used a personal email account for Government business too, but, unlike Clinton, he apparently did not turn over [font size="+1"]any[/font] emails to dept of state when he left the Secretary of State office.
Powell says he doesn't have any of his State emails
Appearing on ABCs This Week Sunday, Powell responded to revelations that he used a personal email account, rather than a government one, when he was in charge of the State Department. Questions about his email use arose last week when it was disclosed that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton used a personal email account during her tenure.
I dont have any to turn over. I did not keep a cache of them. I did not print them off. I do not have thousands of pages somewhere in my personal files, Powell said. A lot of the emails that came out of my personal account went into the State Department system. They were addressed to State Department employees and state.gov domain, but I dont know if the servers in the State Department captured those or not.
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morningfog
(18,115 posts)Bill USA
(6,436 posts)or can you?
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Bill USA
(6,436 posts)is needed. No problem to provide, if you actually read that.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)It doesn't matter. What's done is done.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)You said it's in their - since you can not point it out it's obvious such a charge is not in there. You made a statement you can't back up.
This is standard proceedure for RW McCarthyist campaigns.
Your statement that she "destroyed records during a Federal agency investigation" is bullshit.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)without any basis. Then somebody else who doesn't bother to check the charge out repeats it as if it were actually true. Others, who can't - or won't - think for themselves, upon hearing/reading it being repeated, eventually think since they have heard/read a number of people repeating it, it must then be true.
This is the basis of "the Big Lie" as laid out by a well known German maniac of the 20th Century.
Anytime you can provide proof to back up the charge you made I'll take back my declaration that your charge is BULLSHIT..
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)accounts with commercial email service providers ARE NOT SECURE
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1961352
What we have learned is that there is no evidence that HRC's server was hacked. Unlike personal email accounts with commercial email service providers which are subject to perusal by cyber-security personnel of the companies (do I really need to say it: without government security clearances) providing the email service.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Where I see the risk is the intentional destruction of federal records during a federal agency investigation. It seems to me that is the remaining unanswered question and the unanswered risk. The FBI has almost surely gotten to the bottom of that.
Of course it is possible they found something else while digging, too. But let's hope not.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)Bill USA
(6,436 posts)and provide the quote...
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)Potential criminal violations arise when officials knowingly disseminate documents marked as classified to unauthorized officials or on unclassified systems, or otherwise misuse classified materials. That happened in two cases involving former CIA directors that are cited as parallels for the Clinton e-mail issue, but are quite different. John Deutch was pardoned in 2001 for using an unsecured CIA computer at his home to improperly access classified material; he reportedly had been prepared to plead guilty to a misdemeanor. David Petraeus pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor in April for knowingly removing classified documents from authorized locations and retaining them at unauthorized locations.[font size="+1"] Neither case fits the fact pattern with the Clinton e-mails[/font].
There are always these back channels, Smith explained. Its inevitable, because the classified systems are often cumbersome and lots of people have access to the classified e-mails or cables. People who need quick guidance about a sensitive matter often pick up the phone or send a message on an open system. They shouldnt, but they do.
Its common knowledge that the classified communications system is impossible and isnt used, said one former high-level Justice Department official. Several former prosecutors said flatly that such sloppy, unauthorized practices, although technically violations of law, wouldnt normally lead to criminal cases.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Bill USA
(6,436 posts)IC IG made a referral detailing the potential compromise of classified information to security officials within the Executive Branch. The main purpose of the referral was to notify security officials that classified information may exist on at least one private server and thumb drive that are not in the government's possession. An important distinction is that the IC IG did not make a criminal referral- it was a security referral made for counterintelligence purposes. The IC IG is statutorily required to refer potential compromises of national security information to the appropriate IC security officials.
The Hillary Clinton e-mail scandal that isnt
Does Hillary Clinton have a serious legal problem because she may have transmitted classified information on her private e-mail server? After talking with a half-dozen knowledgeable lawyers, I think this scandal is overstated. Using the server was a self-inflicted wound by Clinton, but its not something a prosecutor would take to court.
Its common that people end up using unclassified systems to transmit classified information, said Jeffrey Smith, a former CIA general counsel whos now a partner at Arnold & Porter, where he often represents defendants suspected of misusing classified information.
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Its common knowledge that the classified communications system is impossible and isnt used, said one former high-level Justice Department official. Several former prosecutors said flatly that such sloppy, unauthorized practices, although technically violations of law, wouldnt normally lead to criminal cases.
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Potential criminal violations arise when officials knowingly disseminate documents marked as classified to unauthorized officials or on unclassified systems, or otherwise misuse classified materials. That happened in two cases involving former CIA directors that are cited as parallels for the Clinton e-mail issue, but are quite different. John Deutch was pardoned in 2001 for using an unsecured CIA computer at his home to improperly access classified material; he reportedly had been prepared to plead guilty to a misdemeanor. David Petraeus pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor in April for knowingly removing classified documents from authorized locations and retaining them at unauthorized locations. Neither case fits the fact pattern with the Clinton e-mails.[/font]
[font size="3"] As has already been reported the documents declared classified by Dept of State were so declared in the last year. they were not marked Classified when they were received by Clinton. She did not knowingly disseminate documents marked as classified.
The above information notwithstanding, the Rabid Right will never cease campaigning for Hillary Clinton's (political) execution. [/font]
CaptainSensible
(35 posts)They DO conduct POTENTIAL criminal investigations, correct?
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Maybe not you.. but there were some that did.
Response to morningfog (Reply #2)
fun n serious This message was self-deleted by its author.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)and they should be ashamed for using RWNJ talking points. If you agree.. than Thank you.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)The latter is not a RWNJ talking point, but an ongoing risk to Hillary and her former staff.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Once nothing happens with the FBI the same group of fools will then move to the next right wing talking point.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Once nothing happens with the FBI the right wing loons will move onto something else. They are the ones promoting it. The loons. The FBI is promoting nothing. That isn't their job.
Bet a certain group of idiots won't be calling the FBI "independent" when nothing happens to Clinton. lol.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)not promoting it. Reporting on the FBI investigation does not affect the outcome. IF the FBI investigation concludes with no recommendation of charges for anyone, yes, the right wingers will move on to something new.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)" the right wingers will move on to something new"
Correct, they will be forced to let go of this one just as they have been with their bullshit for decades.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)The State OIG report was bad enough and raised more questions relating to the destruction of federal records. There are a lot of unanswered questions that the FBI will answer. We simply don't know what they have found.
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)Autumn
(44,762 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)From some of the posts here, though, you would have thought every third post here accused Hillary of affirmative wrongdoing related to Benghazi.
Some of us have a casual relationship with objective reality.
Uben
(7,719 posts)Oh yeah, there were lots of people here jumping on that bandwagon. Probably what caused a bunch of people to switch over to Clinton. Anyone with half a brain knew this was all Trey Gowdy's attempt to look important. BUt, as it turns out, he was just another republican foolishly squandering taxpayer's money for partisan purposes. Surprise!....NOT!
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)March and April witnessed a slough of hatchet-stories about this on DU. Concern, indignation, worry and pique all under the righteous mask of "analysis."
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Don't conflate the two.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)is a flagrant violation of the TOS, these days.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)They have moved on to emails. Once proven completely foolish there, they will move on to the next republican talking point. The group you are referencing is not a part of the left.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)many of their political views are sorta lopsided between RW and progressive.. The e-mail situation was discovered during this Benghazi thing. People keep saying she installed a private server for the purpose of hiding something. The server was there.. had been there.
aikoaiko
(34,127 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Correcting RWNJ lies. I am NOT singling anyone out.
tblue37
(64,982 posts)attention here, but Benghazi never seems to have hooked any DU members. It was just so absurd to blame her for any aspect of Benghazi that only Republicans ever took that particular basic.
stonecutter357
(12,682 posts)CaptainSensible
(35 posts)Are you referring to the great Bernie offensive when saying "many of you humped this story and joined Republicans?"
I believe the enormous bubble filled with anti-Clinton rhetoric is grossly attributable to unhinged media, dominant talk show punditry and the tsunami-esque wave of animosity toward our current POTUS, simply because of his skin color. The inertia created by the toxic, partisan obstinance against practically every legislative effort our POTUS attempted to "run up the pole."
Of course this established a lockstep regimen that effectively dismissed the entire country, perhaps holding the country hostage to the treasonous, disgusting, partisan game-playing and pouty manipulation maintained by the Republican party.
I wonder how many soldiers lost their lives as a result of the eight years the Republican party has presided over this embarrassing chapter in history. It's not difficult to determine how many lives were lost due to foolish circumstances that left an assault weapon in the hands of the wrong person.
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The Benghazi kool-ade party was perpetuated by Republican operatives intended to another her in partisan mechanations with her POTUS on the horizon.
Here is a quote from an Army Major fired by Trey Gowty for "speaking out of turn;"
"Maj. Bradley Podliska, an intelligence officer in the Air Force Reserve who describes himself as a conservative Republican, told CNN that the committee trained its sights almost exclusively on Clinton after the revelation last March that she used a private email server during her tenure as secretary of state. That new focus flipped a broad-based probe of the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi on September 11, 2012, into what Podliska described as a partisan investigation.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Some more than once!