Sanders supporter Tulsi Gabbard dodging debate w/her progressive primary opponent

[msongs]

this would be the same person who argued for MORE debates between bernie and hillary

Maybe she is the DWS of Hawaii



http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/06/28/tulsi-gabbard-dodges-debate.html?via=desktop&source=facebook

[cosmicone]

1. Just goes to show that hypocrisy abounds n/t

[KamaAina]

2. I lived in Hawai'i for many years and never heard the name "Shay Chan Hodges".

Perhaps Tulsi is just refusing to debate a minor candidate.

[msongs]

5. she was one of the biggies complaining about candidates need to have debates. well here

she is, suddenly abandoning her beliefs in all that democratic debate stuff lol

[workinclasszero]

34. But its different now because...

...reasons.

What a hypocrite she is! SMH

[MADem]

7. Apparently she is not entirely unknown. She is an author from Maui.

I think the book got favorable reviews:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/lean-on-and-lead/id744815295?mt=11

MauiTime identifies her as a Democratic Party activist; this article paints her as to the LEFT of Gabbard: http://mauitime.com/news/politics/maui-democratic-party-activist-shay-chan-hodges-says-shes-running-against-u-s-rep-tulsi-gabbard/

...That Gabbard is one of Sanders’ highest profile supporters is laudable to Chan Hodges, who said as much in her Medium essay. But Chan Hodges also pointed out that such support on its own “does not mean that Congresswoman Gabbard represents us.” She then outlined three factors that “raise quite a few questions about how committed she is to fighting for our district’s values.”

First, that Gabbard has helped out billionaire Sheldon Adelson, the chairman and CEO of the Las Vegas Sands Corporation who opposes organized labor and is a major campaign donor to conservative Political Action Committees and Republican candidates. Chan Hodges noted in her essay that Gabbard has introduced Adelson-backed legislation that would kill online gambling–a major threat to Adelson’s interests.

Second, Chan Hodges noted that Gabbard has repeatedly criticized and mocked the Obama Administration for not saying we’re at war with “Islamic extremism”–something even Sanders opposes. “While I believe that no elected official should be above critique –lest we devolve into a cult of personality over substance –our district elected President Obama with a 70% majority, and a respectful discussion in an appropriate forum reflects both our district and Hawaiian values,” Chan Hodges noted.

Finally, Chan Hodges criticized Gabbard for supporting legislation that would make it more difficult for refugees fleeing the bloody Syrian civil war to get to the U.S. “[O]n November 19, 2015, Gabbard voted with 46 Democrats and 242 Republicans to pass HR 4038 — the American SAFE Act of 2015, to institute a stronger screening process for refugees from Iraq and Syria who apply for admission to the U.S.,” Chan Hodges wrote. “Previously, in 2014, Gabbard called for visa waivers to be curtailed from European countries with “Islamic extremist” populations –specifically Britain, Germany, and France. (A year later, Donald Trump called for a ban on Muslims entering the US.)”...

[DLCWIdem]

9. What was Bernie when he started; is this a double standard

Didn't you guys say wasn't taken seriously and he came from 40 points down. Wouldn't that be considered minor. So double standard much?

[Cha]

12. I live in Hawaii now and I've heard of her.."Maui Democratic Party activist Shay Chan Hodges says

she’s running against U.S. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard"

Some of Her Main Points

First, that Gabbard has helped out billionaire Sheldon Adelson, the chairman and CEO of the Las Vegas Sands Corporation who opposes organized labor and is a major campaign donor to conservative Political Action Committees and Republican candidates. Chan Hodges noted in her essay that Gabbard has introduced Adelson-backed legislation that would kill online gambling–a major threat to Adelson’s interests.

Second, Chan Hodges noted that Gabbard has repeatedly criticized and mocked the Obama Administration for not saying we’re at war with “Islamic extremism”–something even Sanders opposes. “While I believe that no elected official should be above critique –lest we devolve into a cult of personality over substance –our district elected President Obama with a 70% majority, and a respectful discussion in an appropriate forum reflects both our district and Hawaiian values,” Chan Hodges noted.

Finally, Chan Hodges criticized Gabbard for supporting legislation that would make it more difficult for refugees fleeing the bloody Syrian civil war to get to the U.S. “n November 19, 2015, Gabbard voted with 46 Democrats and 242 Republicans to pass HR 4038 — the American SAFE Act of 2015, to institute a stronger screening process for refugees from Iraq and Syria who apply for admission to the U.S.,” Chan Hodges wrote. “Previously, in 2014, Gabbard called for visa waivers to be curtailed from European countries with “Islamic extremist” populations –specifically Britain, Germany, and France. (A year later, Donald Trump called for a ban on Muslims entering the US.)”

http://mauitime.com/news/politics/maui-democratic-party-activist-shay-chan-hodges-says-shes-running-against-u-s-rep-tulsi-gabbard/



Her Sister~http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107168792#top

[KamaAina]

30. Oh, she's from Maui. That explains it. I lived on O'ahu.

Very little of interest on Maui, or the other Neighbor Islands, gets reported on populous O'ahu. This will not serve Chan Hodges well, as the O'ahu portion of the Second District is at least as big as all the Neighbor Islands combined.

[Renew Deal]

3. I wonder how her hawkishness will play in a primary

[Scootaloo]

11. Oh, is hawkishness a negative today?

I swear, I can't keep track anymore.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

20. Why is it a positive thing for you?

[Scootaloo]

29. I think you're confused

[La Lioness Priyanka]

31. not in the least bit. it seems that when it comes to hillary you are antihawk, but prohawk when

it comes to tulsi

[Scootaloo]

32. See, you're confused

I'm pointing out the inane hypocrisy of people like you, who handwave Clinton's hawkishness or cast it as a positive, trying to poo-poo Gabbard's. You could at least strive for consistency on the matter.

[KamaAina]

27. On O'ahu, surprisingly well

The Second District contains at least two of the military bases as well as lots of off-base housing. The rest of the district is the Neighbor Islands, with a much smaller military presence.

[JonLeibowitz]

4. She should debate her challenger. As should DWS

[MaggieD]

6. Gabbard isn't very progressive - and very anti LGBT

Comes from a right wing political family, and I suspect she only ran as a Dem because it's very difficult to get elected to Federal office in Hawaii unless you are a Dem.

[KamaAina]

28. State office, too. Her homophobic state senator dad Mike switched from R to D.

Get this: the Dems actually had to caucus to see if they'd take him!

[synergie]

8. Given her especially vocal stance on the need for debates this is a

truly ridiculous position she's taken, she doesn't seem to understand much about how politics works, nor do her advisers. Talk about being hoist on her own petard.

[oasis]

10. Gabbard needs to lead by example.

[Cha]

13. You've seen this.. but, a reminder of who Shay Chan Hodges is, oasis...

.."Maui Democratic Party activist Shay she’s running against U.S. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard"

Some of Her Main Points

First, that Gabbard has helped out billionaire Sheldon Adelson, the chairman and CEO of the Las Vegas Sands Corporation who opposes organized labor and is a major campaign donor to conservative Political Action Committees and Republican candidates. Chan Hodges noted in her essay that Gabbard has introduced Adelson-backed legislation that would kill online gambling–a major threat to Adelson’s interests.

Second, Chan Hodges noted that Gabbard has repeatedly criticized and mocked the Obama Administration for not saying we’re at war with “Islamic extremism”–something even Sanders opposes. “While I believe that no elected official should be above critique –lest we devolve into a cult of personality over substance –our district elected President Obama with a 70% majority, and a respectful discussion in an appropriate forum reflects both our district and Hawaiian values,” Chan Hodges noted.

Finally, Chan Hodges criticized Gabbard for supporting legislation that would make it more difficult for refugees fleeing the bloody Syrian civil war to get to the U.S. “n November 19, 2015, Gabbard voted with 46 Democrats and 242 Republicans to pass HR 4038 — the American SAFE Act of 2015, to institute a stronger screening process for refugees from Iraq and Syria who apply for admission to the U.S.,” Chan Hodges wrote. “Previously, in 2014, Gabbard called for visa waivers to be curtailed from European countries with “Islamic extremist” populations –specifically Britain, Germany, and France. (A year later, Donald Trump called for a ban on Muslims entering the US.)”

http://mauitime.com/news/politics/maui-democratic-party-activist-shay-chan-hodges-says-shes-running-against-u-s-rep-tulsi-gabbard/



Her Sister~http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107168792#top

[oasis]

33. Thanks for the info Cha. I got a notion to contribute to her

strongest opposition.

[Cha]

36. I will be when the time comes.. gabbard needs to go, too.

[obamanut2012]

14. She is an Islamaphone, pro Putin, and anti Obama

Is a huge hawk, and, was rabidly, RABIDLY anti LGBT until it meant she wasn't getting elected in Hawaii, so she changed her tune on that.

I have never understood why some on this board praise her as some progressive. She is probably less progressive than Jim Webb, although not as racist.

[LexVegas]

15. Because of who she supported. She will fade into history now. nt

[PragmaticLiberal]

18. "I have never understood why some on this board praise her as some progressive"

Honestly, I don't think many people on this board knew much about her.

They just knew her as an advocate for Sen Sanders.

[NCTraveler]

16. Sanders should openly back Hodges. Nt

[Jim Lane]

17. This isn't exactly unprecedented.

Let's see... we have a candidate who calls for more debates between candidates running for President, and even urges her supporters to join in demanding more debates -- https://web.archive.org/web/20080501015714/http://www.hillaryclinton.com/action/ncdebates -- when she deems that to be to her side's advantage, but who in a different race won't debate her primary challenger even once, when avoiding debates is what's to her advantage.

Be careful about calling such a stance hypocrisy. You might be running afoul of DU's rules.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

19. Hillary and Bernie had three debates scheduled

Not zero.

[Jim Lane]

24. Zero was the number that Hillary agreed to in 2006.

Incidentally, the article linked in the OP plays up Gabbard's opponent's whining that the Gabbard campaign hasn't yet responded on debates. They may be pondering strategy, not having planned on the emergence of a challenger. The 2006 primary is over and done with so we know, with certainty, that Clinton participated in zero debates against her progressive challenger (who was, among other things, criticizing her for her conservative views on LGBT rights and foreign military interventions).

[La Lioness Priyanka]

25. There are plenty of reasons to oppose tulsi that have nothing to do with Bernie

But what I wonder is why Bernie fans are supporting the less progressive candidate, while at the same time complaining that the Democratic Party is not progressive enough

[Jim Lane]

37. How do you feel about politicians who "evolve" on LGBT issues?

Gabbard came from a homophobic family background. Like many of us, she grew up absorbing the beliefs of her parents. Over time, she came to see the justice of the cause of equality, and changed her views. Nevertheless, her own prior views, and even those of her father, are being thrown in her face in this thread -- often by Clinton supporters.

I just find it more than a little striking that Clinton supporters, of all people, are so vocal in charging a candidate with hypocrisy about debates (see #17 and #24), with not always having been solid on LGBT issues, and with being too hawkish. It's a major glass house.

As for Gabbard, the main thing I know about her is that she exposed Debbie Wasserman Schultz's duplicity about the debates.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

38. Many politicians evolved on many issues. I'm fine with that

I just wonder why complain about the democrats not being progressive enough, if you won't support the progressive candidate, which in this case is not gabbard.

I personally think gabbard is a fine moderate democrat, but I'm not the one always complaining that every democrat needs to be a true progressive

[MohRokTah]

21. Kicking in money for Shay Chan Hodges!!!!

Time for everybody to donate to this candidate. Hawaii will be much better represented by replacing Gabbard with this true progressive!

http://www.shayforhawaii.com/

[GeorgeGist]

22. Sander's supporter doesn't respond by Monday as demanded ...

opponents throw hissyfit.

That's how I see it.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

23. Do you like her for any other reason to than that she supports sanders?

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

26. This "candidate" filed at the last minute to run...

This "candidate" then within weeks demands Debates with the incumbent and when they don't get a response right away they throw a hissyfit.

[lancer78]

35. This is a woman

that Maddow lauded as a rising star the day after the 2012 election.