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What Policies Must Democrats Embrace to Persuade Progressive Voters This Fall?
With the Bernie or Bust voters threatening to withhold their votes this fall, I think there's room for discussion about what establishment Democrats must do to earn back their votes. Is it opposition to the TPP, the choice of a running mate, advocacy of single-payer, or what? If you are a progressive what would persuade you to vote for Mrs. Clinton in the fall?
Or are you of the opinion that Democratic candidates don't need the progressive voters to win at all?
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La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)because of other issues, but it's not the lack of progressiveness of the platform itself.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)And fracking, of course.
But after little things like that, I guess it is progressive-ish. All I know is that if she pivots to the right, she loses a lot of support.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)think is feasible (and only $3 less than Sanders proposal, which would never pass congress), she supports college tuition under a certain income (which also makes sense to most democrats).
Has Sanders actually ever said that what Israel is doing is apartheid? I really doubt that. He is quite pro-Israel himself.
as i said, her platform is plenty progressive, and works for most democrats. Which is why she won the popular vote with the margin that she did.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)71 percent of Americans favor raising tipped workers' minimum wage to the overall minimum wage an even greater federal minimum wage increase to $15.00 by 2020
Also do you mean party or leadership? Because I think if you polled the party it would be way higher than 71 percent.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Maybe we should elect new Democratic party leadership?
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Feasible things may happen, no Republican will vote for doubling the minimum wage.
We just did elect new Democratic party leadership, her name is Hillary Clinton and she beat her opponent in the popular vote, pledged delegate count, super delegate counts, open primaries and closed primaries.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)If 71 Percent of Americans support $15 in 4 years, including tipped workers, then that percentage is certainly higher among Democrats.
Maybe too many media outlets were spouting false info and people did not know that they had such a solid majority on the issue. It seems the propaganda worked on you.
I am glad that I was able to get the truth to you. Now you know.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)you have not enlightened me a wee bit. 
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Here's some advice: Turn off the TV.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)sorry to disappoint you.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)but enjoy your condescension. hope it attracts a lot of people to your causes. 
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)I realized that when you claimed that you knew a majority of Democrats support $15/hr all along.
That is why my tone changed. Did you think I did not catch that?
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)and Democrats in congress came to the 10.10 number for the minimum wage hike.
in neither of those groups did they come to $15 as a conclusion of what they could get passed.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)You said Democrats.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)by using the tone and accusations that you do
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)But there is value in calling it out for others when it is spotted. Your own posts are a record.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)"75 percent of Americans support raising the federal minimum wage to $12.50 by 2020".
http://www.nelp.org/content/uploads/2015/03/Minimum-Wage-Poll-Memo-Jan-2015.pdf
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)"75 percent of Americans support raising the federal minimum wage to $12.50 by 2020, including
92 percent of Democrats
73 percent of Independents
53 percent of Republicans"
http://www.raisetheminimumwage.com/pages/polling
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)There were multiple questions in the poll.
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)She has talked the talk, but not walked the walk.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)and she would be silly to 'lobby' against it.
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)That she is not really against TPP at all.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)there are probably things in TPP hillary likes and some she does not but she's not going to go to war with Obama.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)50% renewable energy in ten years.
We either do this, or we die, because if we do not, carbon dioxide levels will go up so fast, that it will mean the end of civilization as we know it!
Remember, there is no Plan(et) B.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)They should be and will be ignored.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)I'm a very progressive liberal and I am very satisfied with both the platform and Hillary's policy proposals. And I can honestly say that hasn't always been the case for me in my 38 years of voting Dem.
She is more liberal than Obama or Bill, and the platform is the most progressive I have ever seen the party offer.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)
LongtimeAZDem
(4,516 posts)
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Jitter65
(3,089 posts)Bottom line: GOTV everywhere we can and BE SURE TO VOTE DOWN TICKET AND STRAIGHT DEMOCRATIC!!
And once again, there should be NO uncontested elections anywhere that people live and breathe.
Svafa
(594 posts)Ohioblue22
(1,430 posts)Go More progressive you gain libs but lose indies . Less progressive gain indies lose libs . It's a balance that stays even no matter what you do. I don't think the Bernie supporters have any real leverage
Svafa
(594 posts)Ohioblue22
(1,430 posts)
Change has come
(2,372 posts)
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)... the wingerish meme that she's Satan's daughter
http://winningdemocrats.com/bad-news-for-trump-sanders-voters-are-flocking-to-hillary-clinton/
bravenak
(34,648 posts)We will find moderate votes to cover those who choose Donald over Hillary. We may even get a bunch of Clinton Republicans with how horrified my republican friends are at Donald and his blatant racism and sexism. My buddy who was a Trumper recently changed his mind after he noticed the KKK was totally in favor of da Trumpstah. Now he makes Hitler comparisons and says he just won't vote at all. See? If fewer of them vote and we get republican women to come on over, we win without the busters.
mcar
(46,056 posts)Most liberals and progressives are aware of the stakes here. And I agree with you re Republican women, brave. I think there will be a good bit of crossover.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I feel for the newcomers to politics that do not understand the magnitude of the situ.
mcar
(46,056 posts)20 something nieces and nephews taking it very seriously and it makes me so proud! Even my RWNJ brother's kids, who were raised in TX on a diet of Rush and Fox, are anti-Drumpf.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)srobert
(81 posts)You asked so I'm answering at risk of having my post deleted. The Clinton camp keeps demanding unity. But I'm waiting for them to take some step in our direction. Is there nothing in the Sanders platform that she can compromise on? How about she agrees to advocate for single-payer? Or tuition free college? Or making it clear that trade agreements must have enforceable protections for labor and the environment? Or that banks that are too large to fail must be broken up?. All I'm hearing is that we must unite to defeat Trump. But merely preventing Trump from winning may not be sufficient. During the primary at one point as many as 45% of Sanders voters said they wouldn't vote for Mrs. Clinton in November. I don't think the number will be that high. But it might still be a substantial portion. With Sanders winning a majority under 45 years of age, the progressive wing is only going to get larger in the next election. Does she plan on having a second term? Bernie has stated that he cannot tell us that we must vote for Mrs. Clinton and that only she can persuade us of that, and I'm not getting that she understands that. Or perhaps she considers us irrelevant.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)1. Support for reproductive freedom. That means opposing all restrictions on all abortions, supporting birth control being included in all health plans, and unequivocal opposition to any talk of a constitutional amendment.
2. Actively working toward a single payer heath insurance system.
3. Reform of the criminal justice system, with a particular eye toward de-militarizing police forces, and getting them to protect black citizens, not kill them.
4. Ending the death penalty, as every other developed nation has done.
5. Revoking the citizenship of every climate change denier. OK, maybe not, but there are many things we could do if the government would help.
Thirties Child
(543 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Arent they concerned that catering to only one small wing of the party may alienate the majority?
Same when people ask "how will Hillary unite the party?"....umm, Hillary has united the party. The real question is: after the DNC bent over backwards to accommodate a non-Democratic Senator, giving him unfettered access to decades of resources and tools, how will Bernie pay them back and help unite the party? Especially since his fans are basically the only hold outs.
In case you havent noticed: Hillary already united the party.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)If progressives can figure out a way to break away and start a third party, they might well do so. Every election, we go along for the ride and, every election, we see our party drift to the right. Getting old, very old.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)22. That unity might not last
If progressives can figure out a way to break away and start a third party, they might well do so. Every election, we go along for the ride and, every election, we see our party drift to the right. Getting old, very old.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)I'm going to vote for her, as I have always voted for the party nominee. Well, almost always. I'm seriously hoping I can vote for somebody better in 2020, whether that someone is Hillary Clinton herself, a Democrat who challenges her in a primary, or a third party candidate.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)The Democratic Party is drifting to the left on nearly every issue and has been for the past 40 years.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Historically low. Usually that means republicans win.
The party can't move fast enough to tackle the issues. It had a chance and did not take it, so it's pretty much the same as it ever was and that means down hill we go.
Voters have been jumping from the Democratic party ship for the last 8 years and that will continue.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Last edited Fri Jul 1, 2016, 06:52 AM - Edit history (1)
She had it before Trump, She had it while Bernie and definitely she has it now that Trump is over there looming in the GOP side!
No time for dickering around! If you don't see the seriousness of this election, you are useless -you precious thing you!
Was talking in General, people that need to be convinced. Not the OP, not sure if the OP is still wondering if voting for HRC or not!
Change has come
(2,372 posts)7 hidden posts in 90 days. I guess you didn't mean it when you said you would follow the DU TOS. I would vote to hide this post too.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)My reputation is shattered. I better shut my f*cking mouth!
The OP is asking: What Policies Must Democrats Embrace to Persuade Progressive Voters for the GE?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512225736
This is me:
34. Speaking as a progressive, HRC has my vote!
She had it before Trump, She had it while Bernie and definitely she has it now that Trump is over there looming in the GOP side!
No time for dickering around! If you don't see the seriousness of this election, you are useless -you precious thing you!
Was talking in General, people that need to be convinced. Not the OP, not sure if the OP is still wondering if voting for HRC or not!
This is you:
75. Wow
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7 hidden posts in 90 days. I guess you didn't mean it when you said you would follow the DU TOS. I would vote to hide this post too./div]
ciaobaby
(1,000 posts)As have Germany and France.
Squinch
(59,522 posts)The party is united.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)will be adopted formally at the convention.
The few who haven't given it thoughtful consideration will have plenty of time to do so, but basically it's mostly a done deal. It is also shortly to be posted on line for to read.
SRobert, for most of a century now, effectively to be a liberal Democrat is to be progressive and liberals are the dominant core of the party. I have been progressive all my life and find your inference that Democrats are something other than progressive divisive and personally offensive.
Btw, for anyone interested, here's Carol Browner's, platform committee member article,
This election year, I have the privilege of serving on the Democratic Platform Drafting Committee. The charge we had was this: To craft a progressive blueprint for the future that represents the diversity of the entire Democratic coalition. Following weeks of meetings, testimony from 144 witnesses, and votes on amendments offered by both Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders supporters, we have succeeded in drafting a platform that “moves our party firmly toward justice, fairness, and inclusion,” in the words of my fellow committee member Keith Ellison—and above all, a platform that will win in November.
This is a platform that will make history. For the first time, it explicitly calls for repealing the Hyde Amendment, which restricts federal funds for reproductive health care and disproportionately affects low-income women and women of color. It sets down a marker that every American should earn at least $15 an hour. And it contains a robust, detailed, ambitious section on one of the most serious challenges we face: tackling climate change.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/democratic-party-platform-debate-hillary-clinton-213998
srobert
(81 posts)I'm not inferring it. I'm saying it. You can be offended by it if you choose to be. But I'm saying it because I think it's true. The Democratic party has become less progressive on the most important issues over time. To me the most important issues are primarily economic. I could site examples explaining why I say that, but ... forum rules.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)walking it back at least.
Yes, we had come to believe, over the 40-year period of conservative reaction to the prolonged progressive era that came before, that the nation's support for a return to progressive government was less than it really is. So many people here and in the greater world have admired what Sanders has done to wake up the nation and particularly Democrats to an exciting reality. But what America's progressives hope will be a nation-changing achievement has been perversely entirely denied by a small group of Sanders' most contentious supporters.
In any case, my guess is most liberal Democrats would accept "less progressive" from this little group even if they didn't believe choosing achievable goals lessened them. It'd be a great step forward from all the usual insults of rejection.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)It may work for some, but some can see right through this. Besides. we aren't needed, they told us in so many ways.
TrueDemVA
(250 posts)Ban fracking, openly say no to TPP, support single payer, and provide tuition free college. These issues would have the greatest impact on out society for generations.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Last edited Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:22 PM - Edit history (2)
Did that long list fall off the planet or something? Do "true" progressives no longer support them now that it turns out Democrats do, or it is that there are still 3 more things to be done? If they simply cannot abandon their principles and be part of a large ordinary progressive movement, though, are these 3 issues enough to build a new identity on and energize a movement?
I mean, why would totally free college energize a national movement to reject the Democrats when the alternative is affordable college?
Ditching the ACA is not going to happen--it's going to be developed further, but the party is planning to try to expand Medicare to more people. True progressives may see this as a betrayal of duty worthy of building a party identity around, but how many will join them?
The TPP? Can't say what form this will eventually take, but building a progressive identity on this could put people in the same position as those who hung their hopes on Benghazi or servergate-- still waiting for vindication years later. If the TPP isn't really only an evil scheme to turn American workers into peasants, only think how frustrating waiting for transformation of middle to peasant class would be.
TrueDemVA
(250 posts)You seem really angry.
athena
(4,187 posts)You must not have any comebacks, otherwise you wouldn't need to stoop to insulting the poster.
TrueDemVA
(250 posts)There is no reason to get into a typing battle with people on here. I state an opinion, people get upset and go on the attack. Most of you have already pushed out the people that may not agree with center leaning politicians. No need to go on the attack all the time.
I will continue to state my opinion, but damn, everyone here that feels the need to instantly attack someone who has an opinion that differs from your own need to chill the hell out.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)examine unexamined ideas, such as in this case how to continue the "revolution" now that almost all issues are in the party platform, are not always welcome. But at least the idea is out there.
TrueDemVA, I'm fine, thanks. My comments were offered not to those intransigents whose predominant motivation is hostility to liberal Democrats but to other, more issue-oriented people.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)The person that wrote this(below) is wrong. Trying to stop people in their tracks!
I like your thoughtful explanations! 
56. Is everything okay?
You seem really angry.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)attempts to equate Hillary with Trump. A really important subject because there are so many of these in both public and private media, and every one is hostile propaganda meant to bring her down, and with her the Democratic Party.
Her Sister's post: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512228886
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)I like to know this "together". Because the media can make people feel that their own take is wrong, because why would the media say what you think/know it's wrong.
... but if others along (& together) with you know that the media is the one that's spreading wrong info/equivalencies, then you are strong in your knowledge and trust yourself and not the media.
Media fails, and that's a good thing!
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)she won the most votes and the most delegates. She IS a progressive. Most of the Bernie supporters have already flocked to Hillary now that the Primary is over. She can win without the few holdouts.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)4dsc
(5,787 posts)So I guess you'll never know from me at least.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)are voting for Clinton in the fall.
I don't think much of anything will change the minds of the busters. Nor do I believe they're progressive. I believe they're willfully ignorant or at best misguided.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)That's the problem. 40% of Sanders' supporters is seriously thinking of going third party, or sitting it out, according to a recent poll NOT conducted by the WaPo. That roughly translates to 1 in every 5 voters we usually rely on, especially in areas dense with independents. Can we win without them?
I want the Democrats to win in November.Can we do that by calling longtime supporters misguided, willfully ignorant, or "not progressive"?
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)I think so. I too want democrats to win in November. I'm a democratic socialist and vote for the most liberal available candidate in every election. I'm optimistic!
Michelle Obama is better at being kind & persuasive than me.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)But voting Third Party is also voting. So the question then becomes: how important is EARNING VOTES? Right now, we need to make concessions in order to earn the votes we can no longer take for granted (as we have done for too many decades). Concessions in the platform, concessions on candidacies downticket, concessions in the primary rules, concessions in who actually holds positions of leadership in the Democratic Party. (DWS really needs to go now - before the convention - as she is too controversial and divisive.)We have squandered too much trust and we need to win it back.
And remember: reputations come by foot, they leave by horse, and they come back on their knees. We cannot afford to rely on Trump's horribleness to win in November - if only because that won't (or will hardly) help downticket.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)And what's your source for 40% of Bernie voters not supporting Hillary? I also have my doubts that such people actually constitute voters we usually rely on. I would wager the "Bernie or Bust" crowd are mostly people who have never voted for a Democrat before.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)And the intimations that Bernie or Bust means "not a Democrat, never has been" is so over the top that even you must know better.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Or better yet: instead of asking me/ us - ask Bernie and the five people he was allowed to appoint to the platform committee.
By the way, there is something eery about the way you phrase your question:
"If you are a progressive what would persuade you to vote for Mrs. Clinton in the fall?" - is this implying that Clinton isn't a progressive? Or that all progressives have yet to be convinced? Eery.
One last thing: you might want to know that the custom is to call Clinton as secretary or senator, not Mrs., as she did more than just marrying a bloke named Clinton.
srobert
(81 posts)Your link from April expresses much of my thoughts better than I can. I mean no disrespect by referring to Hillary Clinton as "Mrs. Clinton". But no, I do not think of the Clintons, (or Barack Obama) as progressive. Nor do I think progressives (as I use the term) have been sufficiently persuaded to vote for Hillary Clinton.
Check out this video:
Regarding the video: Now that guy talks like a progressive. Who the hell was that? I'd vote for that guy? Whatever happened to him? Was he replaced by the body snatchers or what?
Uncle Joe
(65,134 posts)in regards to anthropological climate change, I don't believe bike paths is going to get it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016162247
Thanks for the thread, srobert.
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)she will be a better president than god
she is a good christian lady - and knows the value of forgiveness
she almost invented the modern progressive movement
what more could anyone want?
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)We can't win them all. Not even close, just based on all that has been expressed by so many. We need to just concentrate on making sure we present a platform with a firm, unified voice, and with no weasel words or wriggle room. We need to say this is what we are about, and this is what we are going to do. Then we need to elect leaders to get it done, who mean what they say. That's the best we can do. My one issue that might address your question is: Is Trump so weak we try to skimp out on the progressive planks to satiate Republicans hungry for an alternative? I hope not.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)platform....america needs all the the voters that can be mustered to KEEP the whitehouse and RETAKE congress...whether all the voters are 100% placated with the democratic platform or not.......this election way beyond supporting TPP or not....VP choice or single-payer healthcare
Todays_Illusion
(1,209 posts)voting rights and especially a strong effort to assist voters in ID states in obtaining those mandatory ID or a hard push to repeal those laws, low/no tuition at State colleges and universities (a return to how they were before the mid 1980s.)
A pledge to stop for profit criminal justice, including for profit prisons.
A pledge to stop privatizing of tax paid services into taxes for profit services that included wage suppression as one of the purposes.
Since our leaders intend to pursue more globalization of the economy and labor costs I would demand that all these agreements be negotiated publicly, not in secret.