Will Democratic Party endorsement of the TPP help Clinton to win in November?

[mia]

What about State and local elections? Will candidates have to disagree with the party platform to attract voters?

[Faux pas]

1. Nope

[geek tragedy]

2. Democratic party isn't endorsing it, nt

[JRLeft]

5. Believe me it does. Remember fast track?

[geek tragedy]

6. the party platform acknowledges disagreement within the party, doesn't come down on

one side or the other

[JRLeft]

8. Do you really believe it's against the TPP?

[geek tragedy]

11. to what are you referring as "it?" nt

[JRLeft]

14. Democratic party it's an organization, it's grammatically correct to refer to it as such.

I assume you view it as an insult. It's not.

[geek tragedy]

16. no, just seeking clarity as to what you meant.

The Democratic party lacks internal consensus on the TPP. So it's not fair to say it opposes or that it supports the TPP.

[JRLeft]

18. Is there a faction against it yes the progressive caucus, but the rest of the party is for it.

The PC is outnumbered.

[AntiBank]

33. not true. only 28 Dem Reps and 13 Dem Senators crossed

lines to vote with the Rethugs for fast track.

Tim Kaine was one.


http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/tpa-trade-bill-democrat-vote-tally-119331


http://m.dailykos.com/story/2015/6/18/1394407/-These-are-the-28-Democrats-who-voted-for-fast-track-twice

[Eric J in MN]

17. The majority of Congressional Democrats voted against Fast Track. NT

NT

[villager]

3. Sure won't. Any "win" would be in spite of it.

And should TPP then get passed, the real "losing" will commence...

[yourpaljoey]

4. We live in upside down world

Trump is against it.

[DanTex]

7. Did the Democratic party actually endorse TPP, or is this hypothetical?

[KansDem]

10. "DNC Platform Committee Rejects Proposals Against Fracking, TPP, Israeli Occupation"

The committee drafting the Democratic Party’s platform has rejected a number of measures proposed by members appointed by Bernie Sanders. Meeting in St. Louis, Missouri, on Friday, members rejected measures to oppose the Trans-Pacific Partnership, or TPP, declare a national moratorium on fracking, and call for a $15-an-hour federal minimum wage and an end to Israeli occupation and illegal settlements. Sanders said he was "disappointed and dismayed" by the defeat of proposals on trade, but "pleased" over language about breaking up big banks. Speaking on MSNBC’s "Morning Joe" Friday, Sanders said he has turned his focus to the party platform.

DemocracyNow!

[DanTex]

12. So they didn't actually endorse TPP. This OP is hypothetical.

[KansDem]

23. The DNC took the TPP "off the table."

You know, "off the table?"

House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi promised Wednesday that when her party takes over, the new majority will not attempt to remove President Bush from office, despite earlier pledges to the contrary from others in the caucus.

“I have said it before and I will say it again: Impeachment is off the table,” Pelosi, D-Calif., said during a news conference.

--more--

Pelosi: Bush Impeachment `Off the Table’

Bush, who lied us into invading Iraq, killing hundreds of thousands of people and costing us trillions of dollars, is spared impeachment because Pelosi took him "off the table."

You know, that kind of "off the table."

[DanTex]

25. Which is not an endorsement. Why do people have to pretend it's an endorsement?

And what does this have to do with Iraq?

[mia]

13. the White House has leaned on key Democrats to make sure that the platform did not include a rebuke.

"...the White House has leaned on key Democrats to make sure that the platform did not include a rebuke.

That became clear last weekend in St. Louis, when the platform drafting committee -- which includes just five Sanders appointees -- shot down a TPP plank. According to several committee members, the president personally spoke to the drafting committee's chairman, Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.), and the White House did more outreach to make sure that Clinton appointees who might otherwise oppose TPP did not write that into the platform...."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/29/obama-and-sanders-battle-over-tpp-and-the-democratic-platform/?wpisrc=nl_politics&wpmm=1

[DanTex]

15. In other words, they didn't endorse TPP.

[mia]

19. They have neither rebuked, nor endorsed it.

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The Democratic Party will be played as being for the TPP without a rebuke.
I worry that this will lose the election for us.

[DanTex]

20. Correct. So your OP is hypothetical. The Dems didn't endorse TPP, and I doubt they will.

I don't know how it would affect the race if they did endorse it, but since they didn't, and they won't, then who really cares?

[mia]

21. Correct. Hypothetical, because I see endorsement of the TPP as a given.

It's what the president wants. By not coming out against the TPP, the platform committee supports it.

Think I'll climb out of the rabbit hole, now. Thanks for this exchange.

[DanTex]

22. Please, it's not a "given." The president wants it, a lot of Dems don't, including

both Hillary and Bernie. So they leave it out of the platform so as to not give the president the finger.

This is borderline Orwellian truth-denial, to insist that the Dem platform "endorses" TPP, when in fact they don't endorse TPP. It's the opposite of the truth.

[whatthehey]

9. Bit akin to asking if their endorsement of sourdough toast will help

If you had used "would" instead of "will" it may have been a mildly diverting hypothetical (if anyone cares the probable answer is "not much difference&quot but since they did no such thing, the question as asked is utter nonsense.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

24. wouldn't the following statement be more honest and accurate?

Will Democratic Party staying neutral on the TPP help Clinton to win in November?

[mia]

27. "Will Democratic Party staying neutral on the TPP help Clinton to win in November?"

I like the way you phrase the question. Thank you.

[floriduck]

28. Or is it just HRC's platform committee members who want TPP? I wouldn't include/exclude the

entire Democratic Party.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

29. the party platform is staying neutral on TPP because Obama wants it, and he is still the leader of

the party and a very popular president. Also, there is an odd chance that he might be right to be pro-TPP because so far he has not shown much of an inclination for fucking over Americans.

[floriduck]

30. So Hillary chose her platform members to represent the Presidents interests? I would never have

considered that from a prospective presidential nominee. So all the other votes had Mr. Obama's agenda in mind.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

31. I think they all live in the real world, and realize that they as the Democratic party should not

undercut the sitting president.

it's not a nefarious conspiracy, but possibly just intelligent people doing the intelligent thing.

[Vinca]

26. No. Just the opposite.

[840high]

32. no.