2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumPlaying False Equivalence Between Hillary and Donald Is Actively Campaigning for Him (GD 16)
In recent weeks, we’ve seen a systematic effort by the national media to normalize Donald and equate him with Hillary. But there is NOTHING, absolutely nothing in common between Hillary and Donald. She is light to his darkness, stability to his chaos, discipline to his recklessness, compassion to his bigotry, intelligence to his ignorance.
David Roberts at Vox writes:
She understands how policy and government work. She’s not openly racist; she hasn’t encouraged street violence. There’s no risk that she would disrupt the international order or cause an economic crisis out of pique.
And he rightfully concludes:
There will be a tidal pull to normalize this election, to make it Coca-Cola versus Pepsi instead of Coca-Cola versus sewer water.
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Her Sister
(6,444 posts)There will be a tidal pull to normalize this election, to make it Coca-Cola versus Pepsi instead of Coca-Cola versus sewer water.
phazed0
(745 posts)Playing "False Equivalence" all the while making a point with false equivalency.. Laughable.
"Donald is disliked because he lies to people, Hillary because she is lied about."
Prove it. I would prove my case but would be banned/hidden for truths.
GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)If one has any reservations regarding Hillary. She's not perfect, nobody is.... SMH
Cha
(297,123 posts)the rwing has lied about her for decades.
phazed0
(745 posts)but that's no excuse to deny deny deny when real issues and problems arise.
Cha
(297,123 posts)Response to Cha (Reply #9)
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Cha
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mcar
(42,298 posts)and will do whatever it takes to get one, Cha. It's going to be so frustrating.
The bright spot is that HRC voters won't be complacent about voting. GOTV!
Cha
(297,123 posts)We've been through it all with President Obama.
But, with Social Media and the internet.. the freaking m$m is a dinosaur.
And, Hillary has the best Team behind her! 
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)That need to make money continues, of course, through the GE. They will use false equivalence to help create a neck-and-neck narrative that keeps people looking for updates, as well, of course, as other devices like playing up controversy, accusations, etc.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/07/populism-american-right/489800/
They should be up to any challenge!
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)and want people to convince you as to HRC as the DEM nominee! She got more votes, she is the nominee.
Am not getting that you want to be constructive and more that you want to harangue her voters and supporters because they voted for her and support her and she is the nominee. This article is not written to convince them about HRC. You can look elsewhere for that. This article is about what the media will try to do as far as trying to equate Trump to Clinton. If you don't see the difference what the heck are you doing in DU when we are in General mode.
If you think Trump and HRC are the same.... Please find the DU door
bettyellen
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Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)synergie
(1,901 posts)Because, as you observed you would be hidden for the RW sources you would require to present your entirely reality and act averse "truths", the facts are not what you imagine them to be.
Donald lies, Hillary is lied about, the seething hatred is based on the lies that people do not bother to do their research on, and to those who prefer to ignore truths to feed that seething hatred.
It is why the attacks on her are not substance based but emotional and based on things that state simply not true. One would think that if an actual case was there the one could make it, but the last year of DU proved that it is only RW smears and nasty are obvious lies that fuel the ant-Hillary sentiment.
Truths are not forbidden by the rules, not about HRC anyway, but the truths do not support your argument.
realmirage
(2,117 posts)Good articles like this don't get a lot of attention because they require a tad bit of thought to comprehend. But it is exactly right. Hillary's negatives are high because an entire Party has spent decades and millions demonizing her and her husband with fake conspiracies. Trump's negatives are high because we have ears and can hear what comes out of his mouth.
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emulatorloo
(44,109 posts)Rather then posting disingenuous 'critiques' of the article.
People will be quite happy to explain the vast chasm that exists between the character, policies, and records of the two Presidential candidates.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)If I wanted that ridiculous exercise I would go find Trump voters, but I don't and I won't.
emulatorloo
(44,109 posts)Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Other people like that task and are willing, but am not interested.
Thanks for posting!
floriduck
(2,262 posts)emulatorloo
(44,109 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)emulatorloo
(44,109 posts)Topic was false equivalencies. Your response was not a response, just an attempt to change the subject.
Have a nice holiday.
floriduck
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zappaman
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Orsino
(37,428 posts)...but the OP is speaking of the MSM, and I agree.
Cha
(297,123 posts)stonecutter357
(12,695 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)that is actively pushed by the media, mainstream and otherwise. They've been at it for decades now.
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Fans of the Clintons, and others, loathe Judicial Watch, seeing it as the center of what Hillary Clinton once called the “vast right-wing conspiracy,” a part of what Slate writer Michelle Goldberg called the “smear sausage” factory aimed at the Clintons and a singularly effective purveyor of the “Clinton derangement syndrome,” as Kevin Drum wrote in Mother Jones.
“This is all courtesy of Judicial Watch,” Drum wrote,”the Scaife-funded outfit that brought us so much endless Clinton paranoia in the 90s. To this day, most people — including an awful lot of reporters who ought to know better — still don’t realize just how deliberate and manufactured the effort to destroy Bill Clinton was back then. Despite thousands of hours and millions of dollars of investigation, virtually none of the ‘scandals’ turned out to be real. They were just an extended effort to throw mud at the wall and see if something stuck. Ironically, the only one that did stick had nothing to do with any of the mud. It was just an old-fashioned sex scandal.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/30/judicial-watch-pursuing-the-clintons-like-inspector-javert-since-before-the-millennium/
Judicial Watch claims otherwise, but it was largely funded in 1994 by Richard Mellon Scaife with a mandate to destroy the Clintons. Strangely, this passionately conservative billionaire wasn't at all sophisticated about politics, thinking on a level we often see on political forums, and he took a major hate to Democrat Bill Clinton. When he finally met Bill for the first time earlier in this century he liked and was impressed by him. He's dead now, they're alive and battle-scarred, but otherwise well. But it's not okay. And his foundation continues to fund the very misleadingly named Judicial Watch and its primary mission.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Hortensis, I was in college when I voted -for the first time- for Pres. Clinton, and yes, I lived/experienced the start of all this vendetta against the Clintons.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Because, no matter how low we might think some GOP candidates have been, there's never been such an incredible dysfunctional slimebucket as Trump before. The character assassins couldn't have designed a better tool. He's even accused of being a child molester... And the media, biases aside, are busy equalizing the candidates into matched race horses.
Chuck Todd, moderator of Meet the Press, in an outstanding example of managing both at the same time:
Brookings Institution:
The problem is the banality, false equivalence, and amorality of the daily coverage of the campaign."
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)but not as exaggerated between AL Gore and Dubya in 2000. Dubya was elevated by the media to seem at the same level of competency and intelligence and gravitas as Al Gore.
We also knew it was coming because of all the abuse/smears against the Clintons and the special brand of hatred for HRC throughout the decades.
Incredible that they the media still want to pull it off with someone as indecent and repugnant in so many & varied ways as Trump.
Even though we knew it was coming it's still disgusting and scary ...really am speechless...
Wow, perfectly stated
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Her Sister
(6,444 posts)This is you:
Just pretend it's a "silent thread." Post a "." for the title and leave the body blank. After all, if you have been silenced, then you must be silent.
They know what we would say, if they were brave enough to allow free speech. This puts that back in their minds, and reminds them of their cowardice.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280215077
Was wondering what the dot above in my thread was all about.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Her Sister
(6,444 posts)whistler162
(11,155 posts)a idiotic thing.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Which is exactly what the GOP has attempted to do with every Democratic presidential candidate for the last 30 yrs.
When someone tries to slander Democrats by saying they are the same as Republicans, they're really identifying themselves as being the same as Republicans.
