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[Cali_Democrat]

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[guillaumeb]

1. He projects the image of a strong leader.

Image is everything. Ask Sarah Palin.

[Cali_Democrat]

3. So they're looking for a xenophobic authoritarian. nt

[gordianot]

52. Trump is a whiney shit rich kid we all knew in Middle and High School.

The only reason the jocks hung out with him is he bought the beer and grass. He projects "I am basically a loud mouth prick".

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

2. Wow....

I'm a white male without a college degree and I am a progressive who supported Bernie Sanders and would never in my life vote for a repuke... Is this not a bigoted statement to make? Especially with the big push during the primary to label Bernie supporters as BernieBros. (ie brogressives ie White males)

[zappaman]

7. Wow.

WHOOSH!

[Cali_Democrat]

8. You posted a Rasmussen poll

He's well-known for fixing his polls to favor Republicans. He's a Republican pollster

I'm not sure if I believe you.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

9. It is listed on aggregates like 538 and HuffPost Pollster, and RCP...

How am I supposed to know its a fixed poll?

And to add I didn't vote in any election before this.

[Cali_Democrat]

11. I'm sorry. I just don't believe you. nt

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

15. Maybe this can help, and possibly stop the constant accusations against me...

My Actblue account for this primary season with DU window showing I am this account:

[Cali_Democrat]

18. That doesn't tell me anything. I still don't believe you. nt

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

19. I'm a right winger who donates to progressive candidates? lol is all else I have to say on the this

[LexVegas]

35. How does that screencap prove anything?

[renate]

66. did I miss something?

I'm not sure why you have to defend your progressive bona fides just because of your demographics. I believe you.

[SidDithers]

28. Same here...nt

Sid

[okasha]

68. Look at the internals?

It's not that hard.

[John Poet]

13. Same here...

[kerry-is-my-prez]

71. Doesn't really help your cause that both of you refuse to support a woman and cling to supporting

a man. (The picture of Bernie looking like an angry white male doesn't help with the optics either.)

[bettyellen]

45. Discussing demographic preferences is not bigoted just because they embarrass you.

Thank god we women are voting smarter and will decide the election. You all owe us a debt of gratitude for keeping the party afloat.

[zappaman]

53. !!!

[AgingAmerican]

54. About 30% of the Democratic party are white males

So insulting them for the sake of insulting them is akin to a circular firing squad. Hate destroys everything it touches.

[bettyellen]

57. You're suggesting no one discuss important demographic issues because of hurt feelings? Seriously?

Get over it. If white men want to continue to have influence in the party they need to show up and support liberals instead of conservatives- on Election Day. That they do not is totally on them.

We're not catering to them by putting women and POC in the back seat any more. The need to join OUR coilition or become irrelevant by Teri own hand.
That is the current situation.

[AgingAmerican]

58. You attribute it to 'hurt feelings'?

Wow!

Hatred and anger poison a persons integrity and destroy everything they touch. People who engage in racial hatred are idiots.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/160373/democrats-racially-diverse-republicans-mostly-white.aspx

[bettyellen]

62. You said "insulted" and are the only one taking about hatred-

It's bullshit to assume anyone but yourself is feeling hatred toward other voters.
Whether you find it insulting or embarrassing- your peer groups voting patterns are going to be analyzed and discussed and that's perfectly reasonable. In fact it's necessary so we can change things for the better if possible.

It's ridiculous the claims people make to get others to stop talking about racism or sexism. Guess what? We ve heard all these bullshit excuses before and aren't falling for them. If you're embarrassed by the voting patterns of your average white man- and it seems you are- talk to them because you're not going to get us to shut up.

[AgingAmerican]

63. Wow

Enter circular firing squad

[bettyellen]

64. You expect me to suck up to conservative white males? Don't hate them, but not grabbing a sandwich

For any of them anytime soon.

Why are YOU so bothered by this? Conservative white women voters exist too, and if people were discussing them I could not possibly be insulted. They are not me. Why do you feel more of a kinship with these guys than your fellow Dems? Interesting.

[AgingAmerican]

65. "White"

Skin-color politics = circular firing squad at this point in the election.

Hatred and anger poison everything they touch.

[bettyellen]

67. There is no hatred except in your imagination. These voters may hate POC and

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May hate women too, but I'm sure many more are just feeling threatened. If anything I feel sorry for them.

At abut rate, there are damned good reasons people study voting patterns among different demographics and it had nothing to do with sowing division- the division is already there- and it is what is being studied. What you are saying is to put a lid on the issue because it makes you embarrassed or uncomfortable. As if your discomfort matters more than discrimination! That's some selfish and entitled thinking. We do not exist to keep you comfortably shielded from our realities. That just perpetuates the problems. Not happening. We are the base, we are the majority - if you aren't with us happily you can find somewhere else that suits your sensibilities more. We're driving the Dem bus and can let you off at the next stop.

Women and POC worked damned hard to be considered relevant to Dems. Your turn.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

69. Hate to say but most SINGLE white women are Democrats, while the MARRIED ones are Republican

So it seems that even being too closely associated to a white male will screw up a woman enough to become a Republican. The plot thickens.....

Bwah-ha-ha!

[bettyellen]

70. And I think Trump maybe the last straw for many Republican women who previously

Just always voted to "go along" with their husbands. All the single and working women are going to decide the election- and I love it! We have big reasons to be unabashedly liberal- always have.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

72. Single female here who turned her white male Republican boyfriend into a liberal Democrat. We

watched Olbermann every night and he read some of my political books. I think it was "Bush's Brain" that really sent him over the edge. He kept on bringing up things from the book "Did you know that Bush/Cheney did this??!!"

Me: "Uh yeah, I knew about that 5 years ago..."

[yardwork]

59. It's a statement of fact based on empirical evidence.

It's not bigotry to discuss the fact that most of Trump's supporters are white males without college degrees.

[tonyt53]

4. Far too many have gotten by in life because they were white males.

The older ones just quit school at 16 , farted around for a couple of years, then went to work at the same place their fathers worked at. The younger ones have parents that never took an interest in their sons learning anything. If their son failed, it was because of bad teachers. Had to be, no other reason. The older ones have lost their jobs and the younger ones can't find a job. Now they are all looking for some reason as to why they can't get or hold down a job. They are scared. Trump is giving them somebody to blame instead of telling them to look in the mirror. He is feeding on their fears. It goes back to responsibility. Those white males want no part of it. Yeah, I'm a white older male and I know plenty that fit the scenario I just described. Difference is, I never feel into that trap of too poor to even pay attention. My parents made sure I of that, and I grew up dirt poor.

[DemonGoddess]

5. Unlike our Democratic and other friends here

the ones who so lurve the Trumpenstein are all afraid of the death of white male privilege, and taking away the toys (guns), which of course no reasonable person wants, but truth never matters to Trump, does it?

[hobbit709]

6. This white male without a college degree has about as much use for him

as an overflowing portapotty.

[NCTraveler]

12. An overflowing portapotty gives opportunity for positive economic activity.

Can't even say that about Trump.

[hobbit709]

23. But no one wants to touch the mess.

[NCTraveler]

24. I don't get why anyone would want to touch the mess that Trump is either. nt.

[hobbit709]

26. there are still people out there that think Idiot Son is the greatest since sliced bread.

"If you bet on human greed and stupidity, you won't be wrong too often"

[sufrommich]

14. Democrats: The White Working Class Isn’t Voting for You,

So Stop Pandering to Them:

One of those things is that working-class voters are motivated to vote for demagogues out of fear for their future. This requires believing that American voters all receive one set of facts, which they are equally adept at processing, when of course a sizable minority of voters is undereducated and gets its “facts” from pretend news sources that make things up. But the rules of modern politics, and political reporting, require avoiding words like “undereducated” at all costs, and always underestimating the role that propaganda plays in the consciousness of the electorate. These rules require an assumption that all voters are ultimately making considered choices based on what they think is good for them.
Choices we must respect.

Except—and here’s the really important part—except when voters are not quite understanding things the way they should. See, the “working-class” voter is the salt of the Earth. He’s a hard-working, lunch pail kinda guy, a decent, honorable relic of another time, who nonetheless might just be a little slow on the uptake when it comes to figurin’ and such. Shut up he’s not a racist. He’s a good man, who’s got plenty o’ smarts, just not the kind city folk might have. All he needs is Chris Hayes or Bernie Sanders to walk him through a few things, do a little wonksplaining about TPP or Dodd-Frank, and then he’ll get it. Then he’ll understand that what he’s actually mad about is late-stage capitalism, not the thugs and leeches next door.

Here’s the thing about white working-class voters: they have been fearful and reactionary for a long time—since before Brexit, or the recession, or NAFTA—hell, since before the Lost Cause. And liberals have been coddling their tender sensitivities for just as long. Yet they always vote for the other guys. And they’ve never needed an economic crisis or a failure of institutions to feel that way! Weird, I know! Remember the 1950s? The greatest economic boom in history, the time when the white working class had it better than they ever had before? Strangely it did nothing to at all to slow the raging anti-Semitism, homophobia, and fear of “communists” exhibited by the white working class during the McCarthy Era. Just as the widespread, sustained prosperity of the 60s and 70s somehow didn’t keep them from voting for Richard Nixon and George Wallace in huge numbers, or from rioting against school integration in the North. Huh.



But it’s not about racism, it’s not about fear of "the other." Racial animus, you see, is actually misdirected rage at the elites, and the discussion of it is foisted upon the public as a distraction by bourgeois liberals who lack the Real Left's brave, clear-eyed appreciation for the economic anxiety that fuels it. Or something.

White working-class men and their supposed rage at institutions are always the “defining story” of an election. The fact that, in this election season, the economy is doing very well, that it's been adding jobs for the longest sustained period since World War II, that unemployment is below 5 percent, the deficit has been cut in half in the last seven years, that Obamacare is more successful that we had a right to expect, that the President’s approval ratings are the highest they’ve been since early 2009, and that the presidential candidate representing a continuation of his policies is outpolling her paranoid opponent by large and sometimes huge margins among every demographic group except white men...all these things mean nothing. The real story is now and forever Hard Times in the Heartland, Where They’re Not Racist, But. White working-class men and their supposed rage at institutions are always the “defining story” of an election. The fact that, in this election season, the economy is doing very well, that it's been adding jobs for the longest sustained period since World War II, that unemployment is below 5 percent, the deficit has been cut in half in the last seven years, that Obamacare is more successful that we had a right to expect, that the President’s approval ratings are the highest they’ve been since early 2009, and that the presidential candidate representing a continuation of his policies is outpolling her paranoid opponent by large and sometimes huge margins among every demographic group except white men...all these things mean nothing. The real story is now and forever Hard Times in the Heartland, Where They’re Not Racist, But.



http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/30/democrats-the-white-working-class-isn-t-voting-for-you-so-stop-pandering-to-them.html

[hobbit709]

25. Maybe the party leadership should stop pandering to the corporations.

This working class boy wants a party that stands by the working people, not the big banks, big pharma, big insurance, the banksters and TPP.

When the party at the national level started sucking up to the big boys, they forgot about who it was that got them anywhere.

[RBInMaine]

39. No, we can not write them off. Many still vote with us. We need to talk their language. That mean

"How is giving a tax cut to a millionaire helping you?"

[Trenzalore]

16. He says racist, sexist, xenophobic, and homophobic things

Pretty simple.

[underpants]

31. Spot on. He also prepped the battlefield with phone-ins to Fox&Friends

He was on every Monday morning with his insightful worldly views of recent events. He was familiar to them then he opened big with flash and flat out hatred. No dog whistles. They ate it up.

Frankly I think he's doing a pro wrestling schtick. He insults the audience and they love it.

[brush]

17. Not a surprise. Who do you think has been electing white male repugs over the years?

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Thank god there are progressive white males but history bears out that the majority are conservative

[glennward]

20. Thank you. Most of them think and feel the way he does...with the soul to match. nt

[phleshdef]

22. Hateful assholes attract hateful assholes.

A lot of white dudes (speaking as a white dude myself) are hateful assholes.

[walkingman]

33. Only those white males with small small hands. Small hands = hateful assholes.

[RBInMaine]

38. Careful there dude. Don't paint with too broad a brush.

[phleshdef]

42. Well, based on voting patterns, I'd say at least 60%.

[TeddyR]

27. Republicans traditionally win the white male vote

[SidDithers]

29. White males just don't like Hillary...

I know that's a huge generalization, but we saw similar demographic numbers during the primary too.

Sid

[qazplm]

30. he gives voice to their IDs

opens them up to feel ok to believe the things they might otherwise be embarrassed to believe and Trump makes them feel like they are important and on top again, like the old days.

[uponit7771]

46. +1, There was a book I read regarding rise of Hitler and this is 80% of the reason why there was so

... much support of the Nazi party among labor groups in Germany; cause he made them feel important and the nobodies became instant somebodies. They could ignore the hate talk when it came to Jews because Germany was around 1% Jewish at the time and there was little consequence to their persecution on THEIR society. Very similar here, if tRump rounded up all 11 million Mexicans most of the people who vote for him wouldn't be directly effected but Hispanics have a voice in the US and its one of the reasons why tRump isn't going to last.

Most of the educated Germans didn't vote for the Nazi party but they felt they could go along and there would be little trouble in the long run and some of them became instant somebodies against their establishment too.

I wish I could remember that book but I couldn't put it down, there's so many parrallels

[Yavin4]

32. African Americans and Latinos are majority working class, but they don't support Trump.

The racist implication here is that only Whites are working class. Other races don't work. They just live off the government. Only White males work.

[Cali_Democrat]

43. Where did I say that African Americans and Latinos aren't working class?

I simply said Trump's base is made up of white males without a college degree which is true according to the polls.

You might want to read my OP again.

[yardwork]

60. Don't know where you got that from the OP.

[virgogal]

34. For the same reason black males like Obama. The guys stick to-gether.

[uponit7771]

47. Most black males were with Hillary at the beginning of the 08 primary, Obama earned our vote...

... with sound principled stands not just being a horrible character

[RBInMaine]

36. Majority of white males have gone GOP because of the threat to historical racial hierarchies and

they appeal to that fear and fear of other shit like claims of taking guns away, etc. They appeal to "toughness" and all that shit.

[JaneyVee]

37. White males want their country back.

[mia]

40. Guys who like Trump see themselves as members of the "good old boys" club.

There are lots of wannabes too.

Thankfully, most of the men I know aren't like this.

[Vattel]

44. Young white males prefer Bernie.

[uponit7771]

48. Good point, could it be they grew up with their others therefore they're not as threatened? tia

[JSup]

49. I'm midde-aged...

...white male and I don't understand many people of my gender.

But I guess being raised by a single mom helps with that. Thanks, Mom, for raising me with your values.

[Doctor Jack]

50. I'm a 30 year old white male

And I think Trump is an abomination. I think there is a massive gap in opinions of white men under 50 compared to those over 50. There are a lot of white men that grew up with the idea that women belong in the kitchen, minorities are all scary criminals, and everything was just dandy until people starting getting uppity in the 1960's. Trump is appealing to a dying breed of white men (that are quite literally dying of old age by the day) and frat boy date rapists that get violent when women refuse to have sex with them. Its not a pretty coalition.

[PJMcK]

51. Perhaps Cali Democrat has been misunderstood: Not all white men are in the tank for Donald Trump

As an enlightened Democrat and a member of Democratic Underground, I'll give Cali Democrat the benefit of the doubt: I don't think Cali meant to say that ALL WHITE MALES SUPPORT Donald Trump. But it's clear that the majority of his supporters are white males.

To answer Cali's question, "Why do white males want to turn our country over to this guy?," I have a theory but it's unscientific and I'm hesitant to share an anecdotal observation. But, what the hell.

Donald Trump represents everything his base loves. Mr. Trump has money, fame, beautiful "trophy wives" and he speaks their language. Mr. Trump's base admires all that he represents. He's the epitome of ignorance. He's just like them.

[Scootaloo]

55. Are you really interested?

[AgadorSparticus]

56. It is part of our overall culture of false bravado being equated as strength.

Plus, they interpet flashy signs of wealth as strength and power. Nevermind that he has filed bankruptcy. But, these folks never see beyond the veneer because they have never been taught to or maybe they just don't want to or who knows, maybe they are too lazy to.

But I know they are definitely racists. Pure and simple. But I dont want to equate uneducated with narrow mindedness because I don't think that is a direct corellation. I find that it is because of lack of exposure to diversity and that racism is oftentimes just some thing that is taught and handed down from oNE generation to the next. Some of the biggest bigots and racists I have met are highly educated.

Trump flaunts racism and bigotry because he knows that is the language in which they speak. And it is easy to do so at this juncture in time because of economics. Many folks are struggling economically and that always makes them vulnerable to be manipulated against their own interest. Much like how Hitler used xenophobia against the jews to commit such vile atrocities. He took advantage of the economics of the time and made the jews the scapegoat. Take out the jews and insert immigrants. History has a way of repeating itself.

But one thing is clear. Trump is the only one showing them their perception of power, talks to them in their language, and provides an appealing scapegoat. Why wouldn't they go to him?

[liberalnarb]

61. I don't.

I'm a white male. I sure don't want to hand the country over to ... *that*. I don't have a college degree (yet) but I study politics on a daily basis. Anyone with half a brain doesn't believe that man is fit to run a country. I don't know how you can expect anyone here to understand the reason for supporting that.

[workinclasszero]

73. I can't stand that birther POS neo nazi, Cali_Democrat

And I'm a white working class male.