Mon Jul 4, 2016, 02:32 PM

woolldog (8,791 posts)

When is Sanders going to start campaigning against Republicans instead of Democrats?

All I hear is him tearing down the Democratic Party. When is he going to pull a Liz Warren and start hitting the GOP for a change?

Thoughts on when we can expect this to happen?

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When is Sanders going to start campaigning against Republicans instead of Democrats? (Original post)	woolldog	Jul 2016	OP
When he clinches the Democratic Party's presidential nomination - and not before.	BlueCaliDem	Jul 2016	#1
Explains why he is still dragging around the SS	pandr32	Jul 2016	#26
Yup	obamanut2012	Jul 2016	#107
Theres a good chance the bar will be raised each time one demand is met.	kerry-is-my-prez	Jul 2016	#111
Post removed	Post removed	Jul 2016	#2
I do not want an endorsement anymore. I feel it will do more harm than good. Nt	seabeyond	Jul 2016	#3
By the time he decides to jump on the Clinton bandwagon, it'll already have gone.	baldguy	Jul 2016	#28
Does it really matter? Where in clintons poll numbers is this really adversely affecting her?	La Lioness Priyanka	Jul 2016	#4
I do not think he is affecting Clinton either. A couple weeks ago, 81% of his supporters, supported	seabeyond	Jul 2016	#5
Exactly. If he is not really hurting our chances	La Lioness Priyanka	Jul 2016	#8
It's annoying though.	woolldog	Jul 2016	#11
I guess I'm not paying attention to him	La Lioness Priyanka	Jul 2016	#13
Nobody is FORCING Hillary to the right.	kacekwl	Jul 2016	#104
It should be 90+	woolldog	Jul 2016	#105
I actually agree with you. And you put it in a very unbiased, no sarcastic way. Thank you.	floriduck	Jul 2016	#17
I agree, which is why I think he shouldn't get the leverage he's demanding	obamanut2012	Jul 2016	#108
that i agree with.	La Lioness Priyanka	Jul 2016	#109
The number of Sanders supporters who are not voting for the Dem candidate will have to be made	kerry-is-my-prez	Jul 2016	#112
He is already	coco77	Jul 2016	#6
Why aren't his supporters going to Cleveland to protest?	pnwmom	Jul 2016	#48
They will be protesting in Cleveland	AgingAmerican	Jul 2016	#51
I'm going to be supporting Democrats, not protesting Democrats. If these supposed	pnwmom	Jul 2016	#55
Will you be protesting in Cleveland?	AgingAmerican	Jul 2016	#56
No. I think supporting Hillary in a positive way is much more important.	pnwmom	Jul 2016	#57
I think for some its all about	coco77	Jul 2016	#89
I don't know a single person who's only voting FOR her because of her gender.	pnwmom	Jul 2016	#90
It has nothing to do with gender...	Silver_Witch	Jul 2016	#99
Activism is about much more than protesting . . .	EffieBlack	Jul 2016	#73
The poster I am replying to is calling for protests in Cleveland	AgingAmerican	Jul 2016	#74
Because large numbers of his supporters plan to protest in Philly.	pnwmom	Jul 2016	#91
When will Whigs campaign against the Tories?!!?	zazen	Jul 2016	#7
We're seeing in real time why Sanders has been so ineffective in Congress.	stopbush	Jul 2016	#9
Precisely!! n/t	cosmicone	Jul 2016	#22
Boom!	pandr32	Jul 2016	#27
+ a million! eom	BlueMTexpat	Jul 2016	#46
I don't consider advocacy of a political program to be "tearing down."	David__77	Jul 2016	#10
He already is...	Dems2002	Jul 2016	#12
Isn't he a sitting senator?	woolldog	Jul 2016	#18
Do you know how Congress works?	Dems2002	Jul 2016	#29
This^^^ +1000	Silver_Witch	Jul 2016	#100
Because as the Democratic runner up, it is his job to do so	AgingAmerican	Jul 2016	#52
I just think that as a sitting senator	woolldog	Jul 2016	#66
Because she is not a Senator?	LiberalFighter	Jul 2016	#86
She's still a lawmaker. Her job is even more important	Exilednight	Jul 2016	#87
+ 1000	LiberalLovinLug	Jul 2016	#21
Sanders isn't a Democratic figure.	woolldog	Jul 2016	#36
This message was self-deleted by its author	rjsquirrel	Jul 2016	#58
He's filed paperwork to run for Senate as an Independent. nt	woolldog	Jul 2016	#67
Bernie Sanders is not up for re-election in 2016...	k8conant	Jul 2016	#76
And?	woolldog	Jul 2016	#84
The last dem election is proof that a majority of dems don't want him as a standard bearer and	uponit7771	Jul 2016	#32
The DNC and MSM decided to step in and throw a wrench into the works	AgingAmerican	Jul 2016	#53
These kind of claims have not only been debunked ad nausea but it relays a mindset not to give	uponit7771	Jul 2016	#60
They didn't even try to hide it	AgingAmerican	Jul 2016	#62
Must be easier to blame everyone else than analyze Sanders' shortcomings, huh?	BobbyDrake	Jul 2016	#85
.that^	840high	Jul 2016	#37
Bunk. He's never identified as a Democrat before and he isn't now.	pnwmom	Jul 2016	#49
He caucused with the Democrats for decades	AgingAmerican	Jul 2016	#63
Why do you keep asking me the same question that I already answered?	pnwmom	Jul 2016	#69
That's all well and good.	woolldog	Jul 2016	#83
Senator Sanders	liberal from boston	Jul 2016	#68
+1000 n/t	Triana	Jul 2016	#95
He's making himself irrelevant.	Beacool	Jul 2016	#14
^^^^^^^^^^	Peacetrain	Jul 2016	#15
Just the opposite...he's making his and his backers concerns relevant	LiberalLovinLug	Jul 2016	#24
...!100++++	840high	Jul 2016	#38
I'm too scared to even comment on most of this. How this thread doesn't break some of the	silvershadow	Jul 2016	#77
Well said, I have always believed we need to first get our house in order instead of ...	slipslidingaway	Jul 2016	#82
+1000 n/t	Triana	Jul 2016	#96
This is a good point, he can push for his changes AND... AND be out campaigning with dems not making	uponit7771	Jul 2016	#25
Good question, since he doesn't seem to view the Dems as being better than the R's.	CrowCityDem	Jul 2016	#16
Well, there's at least 13 million Dems who have the same, or similar, notion. -nt-	NorthCarolina	Jul 2016	#40
About 10.6 million and more of those Sanders supporters are now in Clinton's camp.	seabeyond	Jul 2016	#42
BS. Voting for her over Trump is not supporting or being in "her camp".	Dawgs	Jul 2016	#43
Supporting with a vote works for me. And ya, that puts them in Clinton's camp,	seabeyond	Jul 2016	#47
Some say.	NorthCarolina	Jul 2016	#93
No, polls say. Best info we have.	seabeyond	Jul 2016	#94
Thinking Demo are as bad as R's shows a complete lack of knowledge.	CrowCityDem	Jul 2016	#44
eh, I don't think it really matters anymore.	KMOD	Jul 2016	#19
Time to move on to the general and politely ignore	The Second Stone	Jul 2016	#20
I think most Democrats have already moved on.	lapucelle	Jul 2016	#30
He is like a guy who	cosmicone	Jul 2016	#23
How do you get away with posting this?	rickford66	Jul 2016	#65
For the good of the party, not every obstructionist rule has to be followed	cosmicone	Jul 2016	#70
I care about the good of the country.	840high	Jul 2016	#78
So do Hillary Clinton, Senator Warren and President Obama	cosmicone	Jul 2016	#80
Without doing a google search	Trenzalore	Jul 2016	#31
Too late for it to matter. He and his movement will not get an ounce of credit	geek tragedy	Jul 2016	#33
Maybe 'getting credit' isn't the objective.	Triana	Jul 2016	#97
Did it ever occur to you WE don't want any credit?	Silver_Witch	Jul 2016	#101
You will when it comes time to lobby Clinton and Congress.	geek tragedy	Jul 2016	#103
Never.	fun n serious	Jul 2016	#34
What's your rush? The convention will happen and then it's GE time.	aikoaiko	Jul 2016	#35
who??	zappaman	Jul 2016	#39
Hah! Good question	NastyRiffraff	Jul 2016	#45
One wonders, doesn't one	Hekate	Jul 2016	#41
Who are these Democrats he is 'campaigning' against?	AgingAmerican	Jul 2016	#50
DWS	fun n serious	Jul 2016	#98
He is backing her Dem opponent	AgingAmerican	Jul 2016	#106
I have to ask..	fun n serious	Jul 2016	#110
He's getting irrelevant fast	Zambero	Jul 2016	#54
This message was self-deleted by its author	rjsquirrel	Jul 2016	#59
When will you to stop campaigning against Sanders and start campaigning against Trump?	AgingAmerican	Jul 2016	#61
I think, never. nt	Jitter65	Jul 2016	#64
He is helping out the Democrats by campaigning for local elections.	Xyzse	Jul 2016	#71
He's doing more harm now	Johnny2X2X	Jul 2016	#72
Post removed	Post removed	Jul 2016	#75
Hillary is campaigning against Trump every day. Elizabeth Warren,	pnwmom	Jul 2016	#79
If there are faults in the Dem party they Should be called out ...	slipslidingaway	Jul 2016	#81
During Hillary's Inagural Adress	Night Watchman	Jul 2016	#88
Let Bernie be Bernie!	MoonRiver	Jul 2016	#92
Would this post be removed if I write	greiner3	Jul 2016	#102

Response to woolldog (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 02:37 PM

BlueCaliDem (15,438 posts)

1. When he clinches the Democratic Party's presidential nomination - and not before.

And no. I'm not joking. This is the sense I'm getting.

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Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:35 PM

pandr32 (10,706 posts)

26. Explains why he is still dragging around the SS

...on taxpayer dollars.

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Tue Jul 5, 2016, 04:32 PM

obamanut2012 (24,843 posts)

107. Yup

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Tue Jul 5, 2016, 09:14 PM

kerry-is-my-prez (8,128 posts)

111. Theres a good chance the bar will be raised each time one demand is met.

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Mon Jul 4, 2016, 02:39 PM

seabeyond (110,159 posts)

3. I do not want an endorsement anymore. I feel it will do more harm than good. Nt

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:38 PM

baldguy (36,649 posts)

28. By the time he decides to jump on the Clinton bandwagon, it'll already have gone.

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Response to woolldog (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 02:39 PM

La Lioness Priyanka (53,866 posts)

4. Does it really matter? Where in clintons poll numbers is this really adversely affecting her?

The primaries are over. She decidedly won. He'll come around when and if he does, but he doesn't seem to be really affecting her negatively.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #4)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 02:41 PM

seabeyond (110,159 posts)

5. I do not think he is affecting Clinton either. A couple weeks ago, 81% of his supporters, supported

Clinton.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #5)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 02:44 PM

La Lioness Priyanka (53,866 posts)

8. Exactly. If he is not really hurting our chances

Let him do him. We need to focus on our nominee and work to get her elected.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #8)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 02:49 PM

woolldog (8,791 posts)

11. It's annoying though.

And it's counterproductive in that it's probably forcing Clinton to the right to pick up Bernie's slack.

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Response to woolldog (Reply #11)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 02:51 PM

La Lioness Priyanka (53,866 posts)

13. I guess I'm not paying attention to him

To me he is back to being the senator from Vermont and not being from Vermont, I'm not paying much attention to him.

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Response to woolldog (Reply #11)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 11:24 AM

kacekwl (6,889 posts)

104. Nobody is FORCING Hillary to the right.

If 85% of his supporters are voting for her then no Right movement needed right? RIGHT ?

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Response to kacekwl (Reply #104)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 02:03 PM

woolldog (8,791 posts)

105. It should be 90+

She has to make those votes up somewhere.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #4)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:00 PM

floriduck (2,262 posts)

17. I actually agree with you. And you put it in a very unbiased, no sarcastic way. Thank you.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 04:33 PM

obamanut2012 (24,843 posts)

108. I agree, which is why I think he shouldn't get the leverage he's demanding

Warren, Obama, Biden, O'Malley......

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #108)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 05:36 PM

La Lioness Priyanka (53,866 posts)

109. that i agree with.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 09:25 PM

kerry-is-my-prez (8,128 posts)

112. The number of Sanders supporters who are not voting for the Dem candidate will have to be made

up somewhere. Looks like she's going after married suburban women who are usually Indys. If Sanders would have wholeheartedly endorsed Clinton and had been helping her campaign, more Sanders supporters would be voting for her. Clinton could have moved more to the left. Now she and the party ironically will have to go more to the center. I don't think he will ever endorse her and if he does it will be a very lukewarm endorsement.

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Response to woolldog (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 02:42 PM

coco77 (1,327 posts)

6. He is already

Has,I guess u want everyone to start worshipping so you can feel better, I can vote for the nominee nothing more. Feel better now?

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Response to coco77 (Reply #6)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:38 PM

pnwmom (108,350 posts)

48. Why aren't his supporters going to Cleveland to protest?

Instead, they're renting campgrounds and planning to protest at the Democratic convention.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #48)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 10:13 PM

AgingAmerican (12,958 posts)

51. They will be protesting in Cleveland

Will you be protesting in Cleveland?

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #51)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 10:28 PM

pnwmom (108,350 posts)

55. I'm going to be supporting Democrats, not protesting Democrats. If these supposed

progressives are going to be protesting anywhere, they should be protesting Trump in Cleveland, not Hillary in Philly.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #55)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 10:29 PM

AgingAmerican (12,958 posts)

56. Will you be protesting in Cleveland?

Yes or no?

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #56)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 10:31 PM

pnwmom (108,350 posts)

57. No. I think supporting Hillary in a positive way is much more important.

And that the so-called progressives who are protesting Hillary instead of Bernie are deeply misguided.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #57)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 08:01 AM

coco77 (1,327 posts)

89. I think for some its all about

Womanhood.

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Response to coco77 (Reply #89)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 08:11 AM

pnwmom (108,350 posts)

90. I don't know a single person who's only voting FOR her because of her gender.

She has decades of work for families under her belt, as well as terms as Senator of NY and Secretary of State. There's no one more qualified than she is -- completely apart from her gender.

But I've heard enough misogyny to know that there are plenty of men who have a problem with it.

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Response to coco77 (Reply #89)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 10:47 AM

Silver_Witch (1,820 posts)

99. It has nothing to do with gender...

Much more to do with bringing people to "heel" ....

Bernie supports Hillary Clinton. He has said so loud and clear. He has other work to do which has nothing to do with the Presidential election. Like stopping prisons for profit or making sure the TPP is not passed.

Clinton has a lock on this election and as many here have posted you don't need Bernie or his supporters so we will do the other work that needs done to help the party stay to the left and for the people and you can continue to celebrate your victory! She is yours, party about her win and stop grousing!

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #56)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 12:50 AM

EffieBlack (14,249 posts)

73. Activism is about much more than protesting . . .

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Tue Jul 5, 2016, 12:53 AM

AgingAmerican (12,958 posts)

74. The poster I am replying to is calling for protests in Cleveland

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #74)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 08:13 AM

pnwmom (108,350 posts)

91. Because large numbers of his supporters plan to protest in Philly.

I don't know why they are going there to protest when the real enemy of all of us will be in Cleveland the week before.

The priorities of those supposed progressives seem awfully strange.

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Response to woolldog (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 02:42 PM

zazen (2,978 posts)

7. When will Whigs campaign against the Tories?!!?

World history and events are a little more complex than a corporate-controlled two-party system. Thank God people were willing to think outside the Whig/Tory duopoly or we'd still be operating according to the politics of late Stuart England.

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Response to woolldog (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 02:47 PM

stopbush (24,254 posts)

9. We're seeing in real time why Sanders has been so ineffective in Congress.

He knows better than all, he's pure, they're not, etc etc.

From the beginning to the never ending, with Sanders, it's all about Sanders.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #9)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:09 PM

cosmicone (11,014 posts)

22. Precisely!! n/t

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Response to stopbush (Reply #9)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:36 PM

pandr32 (10,706 posts)

27. Boom!

Nailed it!

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Mon Jul 4, 2016, 06:47 PM

BlueMTexpat (15,207 posts)

46. + a million! eom

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Response to woolldog (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 02:47 PM

David__77 (21,536 posts)

10. I don't consider advocacy of a political program to be "tearing down."

The Democratic Party contains diverse forces and not a disciplined, centralized membership organization like many European parties. I imagine that Sanders will have much to say in the period ahead about the Republican candidates.

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Mon Jul 4, 2016, 02:50 PM

Dems2002 (509 posts)

12. He already is...

I realize that many people don't get it, but as a political consultant with over fifteen years of experience actually winning campaigns (90% success rate), what Bernie is attempting to do is to HELP the Democrats win.

The party leaders may block his efforts, but that doesn't mean what Bernie is doing is wrong. He is trying to get the party to take extraordinarily popular positions with mainstream America. He is not hurting the party by pushing these positions, the party leadership is hurting the party by supporting toxic agreements like TPP and our current healthcare system that allows corporations to bilk us.

People, left and right and center, recognize that the system is inherently corrupt and working against the average person. One only has to pay the slightest bit of attention to see this fact.

I support changing the Democratic Party from within as our best path.

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Response to Dems2002 (Reply #12)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:01 PM

woolldog (8,791 posts)

18. Isn't he a sitting senator?

Why is a sitting senator fooling around with a campaign platform when he has the power to make and enact policy as a senator? Isn't that kind of odd? Like can you imagine Obama caring about the Democratic Party platform and devoting lots of time and energy to it while he's President?

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Response to woolldog (Reply #18)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:39 PM

Dems2002 (509 posts)

29. Do you know how Congress works?

Let's see. We are heading into the Presidential Election. The Republican held Senate has refused to hold hearings for Obama's nominee this entire year. There is pretty much nothing that can be accomplished from the left until after January 5 when the new Congress is sworn in.

The biggest piece of legislation that could come up in the Senate prior to January 5 is the TPP which Senator Sanders vehemently opposes. It is a disaster for average Americans supported only by our business elites who do not care about us.

There is a real threat that this will come up during the lame duck session and it will be approved primarily by Republicans with a few Democratic traitors signing on.

NOW is the time to discuss this disastrous legislation. When there is still a slight chance to prevent it from being approved.

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Response to Dems2002 (Reply #29)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 10:50 AM

Silver_Witch (1,820 posts)

100. This^^^ +1000

Thank you!

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Response to woolldog (Reply #18)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 10:17 PM

AgingAmerican (12,958 posts)

52. Because as the Democratic runner up, it is his job to do so

Why is Debbie Wasserman Schultz fooling around with running the DNC when she has the power to make and enact policy as a Senator?

See how silly your question is?

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #52)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 11:20 PM

woolldog (8,791 posts)

66. I just think that as a sitting senator

There would be more consequential things he could do with his time aside from working on something so silly as a platform, one that is non binding and no one reads anyway.

I mean he could be making speeches on the senate floor, proposing and refining real legislation, making alliances with his fellow senators etc.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #52)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 07:18 AM

LiberalFighter (47,736 posts)

86. Because she is not a Senator?

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #86)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 07:45 AM

Exilednight (9,359 posts)

87. She's still a lawmaker. Her job is even more important

Since she is a leader in the Democratic Party and all spending bills, by law, must originate in the House.

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Response to Dems2002 (Reply #12)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:08 PM

LiberalLovinLug (14,006 posts)

21. + 1000

And some of these posts could be breaking the new DU rules

"Don't bash Democratic public figures"

Its not enough for some to have backed the presumptive winning candidate, they must also bash not only a Democratic candidate but more importantly 46% of their fellow Democrats concerns as well. Talk about divisive.

The process is working. Bernie and his supporters will obviously have to concede on some points (unfortunately for everyone) but eventually, after the convention, I am confident Bernie will focus his attentions on helping the Democrats defeat Trump. But until then, he has a job to to. And 46% of Democrats expect and encourage him.

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Mon Jul 4, 2016, 04:28 PM

woolldog (8,791 posts)

36. Sanders isn't a Democratic figure.

He's an Independent. Besides no one's bashing him.

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Mon Jul 4, 2016, 11:21 PM

woolldog (8,791 posts)

67. He's filed paperwork to run for Senate as an Independent. nt

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Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:02 AM

k8conant (3,025 posts)

76. Bernie Sanders is not up for re-election in 2016...

Patrick Leahy is.

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Tue Jul 5, 2016, 06:04 AM

woolldog (8,791 posts)

84. And?

I never said he was up for reelection in2016.

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Response to Dems2002 (Reply #12)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:42 PM

uponit7771 (89,622 posts)

32. The last dem election is proof that a majority of dems don't want him as a standard bearer and

... now he doesn't have anything to bargain with including down ballot funds which he has raised comparatively little.

When was it ever that the person who the majority of people did NOT want gets to set standards for the majority of people?

Waste of time and resources

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #32)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 10:19 PM

AgingAmerican (12,958 posts)

53. The DNC and MSM decided to step in and throw a wrench into the works

And attempt to block his campaign at every turn.

Had they not done so, many believe he would have won handily.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #53)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 10:54 PM

uponit7771 (89,622 posts)

60. These kind of claims have not only been debunked ad nausea but it relays a mindset not to give

... the girl her props... she won by nearly 4 million votes and the Sanders team decided not to compete in the Southern States (their own words) where at least he could've kept it close.

Sanders lost, the majority of dems want Clinton and it has little to nothing to do with the MSM those are facts and not just baseless claims

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #60)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 10:56 PM

AgingAmerican (12,958 posts)

62. They didn't even try to hide it

I know you will never admit it, but that's exactly what they did.

And that, in a nutshell, answers your inquiry.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #62)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 06:14 AM

BobbyDrake (2,542 posts)

85. Must be easier to blame everyone else than analyze Sanders' shortcomings, huh?

Scapegoating won't change his limited message and narrow appeal.

But if progressives want to fail to evolve, and just let themselves be marginalized because they can't work well with others, well, thats your choice. Own it.

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Response to Dems2002 (Reply #12)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 05:35 PM

840high (17,196 posts)

37. .that^

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Response to Dems2002 (Reply #12)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:39 PM

pnwmom (108,350 posts)

49. Bunk. He's never identified as a Democrat before and he isn't now.

Why isn't he encouraging his supporters to protest in Cleveland instead of in Philadelphia -- where the Dems will be voting on a platform that his own committee members approved?

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #49)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 11:00 PM

AgingAmerican (12,958 posts)

63. He caucused with the Democrats for decades

Thus he is a de facto Democrat. Also, he is a small d democrat.

Will you be protesting in Cleveland?

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #63)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 11:43 PM

pnwmom (108,350 posts)

69. Why do you keep asking me the same question that I already answered?

This is the third time you've asked the same question, and I'll give you the same answer.

I'm taking positive action FOR Hillary, not protesting anywhere.

Can you stop asking now or are you trying to repeat yourself on purpose for some reason?

And you're wrong about him being a Democrat before. Until last year, he consistently identified himself as an independent and a Democratic Socialist. Like Joe Lieberman (after he left the party) Sanders caucused with the Democrats but didn't identify himself as one.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #69)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 06:01 AM

woolldog (8,791 posts)

83. That's all well and good.

Will you be protesting in Cleveland though?

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Response to Dems2002 (Reply #12)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 11:41 PM

liberal from boston (856 posts)

68. Senator Sanders

Exactly Dems2002!!! Senator Sanders splitting donations between his campaign and progressive Democratic Candidates.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/bernie-sanders-progressives-fundraising-221887

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/15/as-sanders-campaign-wraps-up-down-ballot-candidates-reap-big-bern-rewards.html

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Tue Jul 5, 2016, 09:48 AM

Triana (22,666 posts)

95. +1000 n/t

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Mon Jul 4, 2016, 02:54 PM

Beacool (30,215 posts)

14. He's making himself irrelevant.

He's holding the platform's agenda over the party's heads. He could push for what he believes in and still be out there campaigning for Democrats. Instead, he seems to only be in attack mode against fellow Democrats and mentions Trump as an afterthought.

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Mon Jul 4, 2016, 02:56 PM

Peacetrain (22,759 posts)

15. ^^^^^^^^^^

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Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:19 PM

LiberalLovinLug (14,006 posts)

24. Just the opposite...he's making his and his backers concerns relevant

But you know that of course. So sorry that all the spotlights are not all beaming on Hillary all the time.

Have a little respect for 46% of your fellow Democrats please. Don't worry it will all be over soon. But until then he is working for many Democrats concerns and making sure they get a voice too. Why is this such a big problem.

You'll get your big piece of cake soon. If Bernie manages to sneak in some spinach or zucchini into the cake recipe for the countries well being in the meantime so what? Its not going to kill you, and the winning team will probably just pick out the little green pieces afterwards anyways.

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Mon Jul 4, 2016, 05:36 PM

840high (17,196 posts)

38. ...!100++++

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Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:09 AM

silvershadow (10,336 posts)

77. I'm too scared to even comment on most of this. How this thread doesn't break some of the

new rules in letter and spirit is beyond me. I just don't even know what to say anymore. I see others are taking wide latitude, so I will just watch for awhile.

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Tue Jul 5, 2016, 03:22 AM

slipslidingaway (21,210 posts)

82. Well said, I have always believed we need to first get our house in order instead of ...

glaring at another person's fault.

We can shout that their boat is sinking, but we have we looked at our own?

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Tue Jul 5, 2016, 09:50 AM

Triana (22,666 posts)

96. +1000 n/t

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Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:32 PM

uponit7771 (89,622 posts)

25. This is a good point, he can push for his changes AND... AND be out campaigning with dems not making

... one dependent on the other.

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Mon Jul 4, 2016, 02:59 PM

CrowCityDem (2,348 posts)

16. Good question, since he doesn't seem to view the Dems as being better than the R's.

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Mon Jul 4, 2016, 05:55 PM

NorthCarolina (11,197 posts)

40. Well, there's at least 13 million Dems who have the same, or similar, notion. -nt-

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Mon Jul 4, 2016, 06:07 PM

seabeyond (110,159 posts)

42. About 10.6 million and more of those Sanders supporters are now in Clinton's camp.

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Mon Jul 4, 2016, 06:27 PM

Dawgs (14,755 posts)

43. BS. Voting for her over Trump is not supporting or being in "her camp".

Try again.

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Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:32 PM

seabeyond (110,159 posts)

47. Supporting with a vote works for me. And ya, that puts them in Clinton's camp,

for the vote.

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Tue Jul 5, 2016, 09:11 AM

NorthCarolina (11,197 posts)

93. Some say.

I'd be quite surprised if there were any real truth to it, but it's more than likely "media truth".

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Tue Jul 5, 2016, 09:45 AM

seabeyond (110,159 posts)

94. No, polls say. Best info we have.

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Mon Jul 4, 2016, 06:32 PM

CrowCityDem (2,348 posts)

44. Thinking Demo are as bad as R's shows a complete lack of knowledge.

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Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:02 PM

KMOD (7,906 posts)

19. eh, I don't think it really matters anymore.

She has plenty of big hitters excited to hit the campaign trail with her.

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Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:07 PM

The Second Stone (2,900 posts)

20. Time to move on to the general and politely ignore

Sen. Sanders.

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Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:40 PM

lapucelle (16,223 posts)

30. I think most Democrats have already moved on.

The media certainly has. The general public perception of Sanders seems to have entered the "crackpot uncle" phase.

On the rare occasions that Sanders gets a mention, the question seems to be "what does he want?' And you never hear the answer "to make things better".

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Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:11 PM

cosmicone (11,014 posts)

23. He is like a guy who

talks to people on the platform about his upcoming train ride, not realizing that the train has left the station an hour ago.

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Mon Jul 4, 2016, 11:13 PM

rickford66 (5,383 posts)

65. How do you get away with posting this?

I got banned for mentioning that Hillary was once a Goldwater Girl. Why can many of you make disparaging comments about Bernie? If he's irrelevant, why don't you all move on? You may not like it, but he's not doing anything illegal and he's following the rules. He doesn't realize the train already left the station? How did Hillary get on the train?

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Mon Jul 4, 2016, 11:49 PM

cosmicone (11,014 posts)

70. For the good of the party, not every obstructionist rule has to be followed

It is all obstructing the democratic party's chances in November by attacking the party or hamstringing it with unpalatable positions for the GE electorate. Why the shenanigans of protesting against your own convention when you had a democratic way of getting what you wanted?

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Tue Jul 5, 2016, 02:03 AM

840high (17,196 posts)

78. I care about the good of the country.

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Tue Jul 5, 2016, 02:27 AM

cosmicone (11,014 posts)

80. So do Hillary Clinton, Senator Warren and President Obama

No one has an exclusivity on caring for the country and the insinuation that the unnecessary platform fight is about the "good of the country" is pernicious if not downright nefarious.

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Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:42 PM

Trenzalore (2,331 posts)

31. Without doing a google search

Can anyone honestly remember anything in the 2012 democratic platform?

I can understand him fighting on, but not for such a meaningless thing as the platform.

Really should be devoting his energy to the Rules Committee. That is where precedent is set for 2020.

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Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:54 PM

geek tragedy (68,868 posts)

33. Too late for it to matter. He and his movement will not get an ounce of credit

for electoral success in November, regardless of what he does at this point.

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Tue Jul 5, 2016, 09:52 AM

Triana (22,666 posts)

97. Maybe 'getting credit' isn't the objective.

Maybe being successful (by actually standing up for the wishes of the majority of the members of the party ie: NO TPP) is the objective.

Sanders strikes me as the type of guy who wants success, not credit. If he succeeds in helping to stop the TPP from passing during the lame duck period post-election, that will be a benefit to all of us.

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Tue Jul 5, 2016, 10:56 AM

Silver_Witch (1,820 posts)

101. Did it ever occur to you WE don't want any credit?

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Tue Jul 5, 2016, 11:23 AM

geek tragedy (68,868 posts)

103. You will when it comes time to lobby Clinton and Congress.

The LGBT movement threw their weight and money behind Obama, and were in a position to push him hard on their issues. Withdrawing their support--politically and financially--was serious leverage.

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Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:59 PM

fun n serious (4,451 posts)

34. Never.

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Mon Jul 4, 2016, 04:05 PM

aikoaiko (33,824 posts)

35. What's your rush? The convention will happen and then it's GE time.

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Mon Jul 4, 2016, 05:38 PM

zappaman (20,602 posts)

39. who??

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Mon Jul 4, 2016, 06:35 PM

NastyRiffraff (12,448 posts)

45. Hah! Good question

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Mon Jul 4, 2016, 05:58 PM

Hekate (86,521 posts)

41. One wonders, doesn't one

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Mon Jul 4, 2016, 10:10 PM

AgingAmerican (12,958 posts)

50. Who are these Democrats he is 'campaigning' against?

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Tue Jul 5, 2016, 10:08 AM

fun n serious (4,451 posts)

98. DWS

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Tue Jul 5, 2016, 04:28 PM

AgingAmerican (12,958 posts)

106. He is backing her Dem opponent

Thats all you have? DWS?

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Tue Jul 5, 2016, 05:57 PM

fun n serious (4,451 posts)

110. I have to ask..

Do you plan on voting for Hillary?

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Mon Jul 4, 2016, 10:27 PM

Zambero (8,567 posts)

54. He's getting irrelevant fast

The major focus has shifted to the two major candidates. Bernie's supporters are more than capable of weighing in on how a President Trump would would impact this country and humanity as a whole. I am confident that most of them don't want to go there, with or without further instructions from Bernie.

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Mon Jul 4, 2016, 10:55 PM

AgingAmerican (12,958 posts)

61. When will you to stop campaigning against Sanders and start campaigning against Trump?

The primaries are over, in case you didn't know.

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Mon Jul 4, 2016, 11:12 PM

Jitter65 (3,089 posts)

64. I think, never. nt

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Tue Jul 5, 2016, 12:40 AM

Xyzse (8,217 posts)

71. He is helping out the Democrats by campaigning for local elections.

In essence, that is working to defeat Trump and improve the general make-up of the Democratic party.

One does not have to brown-nose Hillary to support Democrats. Nor do I think that he should.

I don't see the point of endorsing Clinton as one can support progressive ideals and Democrats as he goes.
Hillary Clinton is not the Democratic party, and if one notes, he attacks unfair policies, as he always has.

I don't see this as helping the campaign whatsoever, merely another call out to those who are having a hard time as is with the idea of voting for Clinton.

Perhaps it is better to discuss how her policies would help the general populace.
If unable or limited in doing that, then concentrate on calling Trump a loser. That should not be too high a bar.

The idea is to bring people to accept her and want to vote for her. This, this merely makes people want to dig in their heels more.
In the end, America will get the President it deserves.

Local is where I think damage can be mitigated and probably the best way to help. That is where I am helping.

So to answer, he is already helping Democrats, and has been for a while. He has attacked Republicans for their policies, as he attacks policies. I guess, it just hurts because some of those unfair policies are being fought for by Democrats as well. It is basically the complaint many Democrats point towards Republicans. (Republicans love America like a child loves their parent, blind, trusting and can do no wrong... Democrats love America like an adult, willing to look at the flaws, and work with them to see how to make things better.) The Democratic party is getting help from Sanders, probably not the help they want, but the help they need.(i.e. Helping Local Races, Endorsing Progressive Candidates that are willing to transform the Democratic party from within, attacking Republican policies, and pointing out where Democrats can do better.)

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Tue Jul 5, 2016, 12:49 AM

Johnny2X2X (17,563 posts)

72. He's doing more harm now

I voted for Sanders and have been a supporter of his for a couple decades, but he is causing harm to his cause now. His ideas are as American as apple pie, but this has to stop. At this point he is going to hurt his causes because he is hurting the party he belongs to. He's acting like a spoiled child.

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Tue Jul 5, 2016, 02:21 AM

pnwmom (108,350 posts)

79. Hillary is campaigning against Trump every day. Elizabeth Warren,

Tom Perez, Sherrod Brown and others are out there fighting Trump.

President Obama is about to join them.

Bernie's the major figure who hasn't joined them. It doesn't make sense that he wouldn't want to help them fight Trump.

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Tue Jul 5, 2016, 03:18 AM

slipslidingaway (21,210 posts)

81. If there are faults in the Dem party they Should be called out ...

in case you have not realized it yet, many long established Dems feel the party is leaving them! He is trying to bridge that gap to make the possibility of voting for Clinton more palatable.

The Dem party is losing it, they are casting aside long time members while doing little to bring in new members.

Warren flipped beliefs so quickly it was as if one was turning a pancake. Sanders rightfully knows that he has also attracted many independent voters and if flipped too soon they will just melt away. But he is also trying to bring about real change, this is not a struggle between Dem and Repub, it is a struggle of power and wealth in both parties against the people.

Sanders understands the incremental changes that are needed, you fight for every last bit you can get and to advance an issue, this is an area in which the Dems are sorely lacking. We should not always bend over backwards and go along with their wishes.

Which Dems fought against invading Iraq, which has now turned the ME into a hell hole with millions affected. Why do they hate us, that was a horrible mistake and No, one cannot just say it was a mistake and move on, those actions have and deep and lasting consequences!

I would think what he is doing should be obvious to most, he called Trump a pathological liar months ago, so please do not pretend that his words are just to tear down Dems, pay attention!!!

But he has some real differences with the way Dems have given lip service to their members and many Dems and Independents do as well, just holding up a D or R banner does not cut it anymore.

If you want to continue and alienate potential voters for the Dem party then continue to espouse these beliefs, but I feel this is the wrong direction.

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Tue Jul 5, 2016, 07:49 AM

Night Watchman (743 posts)