2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNo Indictment!
Now we can put this behind us and continue forward. This has always been my biggest fear with Hillary being the nominee and now that fear is gone. Lets blow this thing up now!
uponit7771
(93,504 posts)metroins
(2,550 posts)How so many had been pushing it.
uponit7771
(93,504 posts)Kentonio
(4,377 posts)"Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information"
That is not ok, but at least now we can put it behind us and move on. I hope Mrs Clinton apologizes for those errors though so this whole thing can be put to bed.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)riversedge
(80,031 posts)will go with--sloppy and extremely careless--this meme over and over and over......damn.
uponit7771
(93,504 posts)mcar
(45,812 posts)and dump Trump!
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)Not that it will stop the Right. The shit-slinging has only begun.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)Oh probably not...but at least we can have fun with it. WOOT!!!!
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,939 posts)officially negative zero, now? What's his argument to the SDs, now? He doesn't have the polls to lean on anymore (Hillary is doing quite well against Trump in GE polling), there is NOT going to be an indictment/prosecution of HRC, and the DNC has adopted at least some of his agenda for the platform, so what's left?
MoonRiver
(36,975 posts)And then let the chips fall as they may.
ThinkCritically
(241 posts)He is staying in to work on the platform which is perfectly acceptable. You may not realize it but he is mending the divisions by staying in. If you want people to stop supporting Bernie Sanders then you can start by attempting to be civil about his decisions. This narrative that his staying in hurts Clinton is backwards. It's time to stop getting angry about everything and try to work together. It was time to do that on June 7th but people are still having a difficult time accepting that democrats have differing views. It's not your way or the highway. It never was.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,939 posts)I feel like he is making it seem like there is still a race to win when there isn't. His campaign is sort of devolving into a farce and his decision to comment on the FBI non-indictment of Clinton over her e-mail server earlier today was equally baffling. Despite it being a much closer race in 2008, Clinton had no issues with bowing out almost immediately at the beginning of June and quickly endorsing Obama. Yet Clinton won a sizable PD victory that no SD would dare overturn absent some extraordinary circumstances that have yet to materialize and Bernie is still pretending that he has a chance and is extending things all the way to the convention for some reason that I simply can't discern. He could suspend his campaign like all of the other candidates and still remain just as involved in the DNC, so I don't get what his endgame is. Is he even going to accept the results of the DNC?
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Now...can we focus on the lawsuit against Trump in the Federal Court regarding his sexual abuse and rape of a 13 year old? Or will M$M continue to flog this dead horse?
ThinkCritically
(241 posts)Why is there no coverage of his Trump U case? Why is there no coverage of the 100+ times he has been named in federal cases? Boggles the mind doesn't it?
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)a Republican in the United States. You get a pass on everything and anything you do that would crucify a Democrat.
Uneffingbelievable.
MFM008
(20,042 posts)Said so.
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)Even though:
- Others have been prosecuted and penalized for similar
- She has compromised National Security
- Their handling of emails and classified information is incompetent
Yes, I knew that no indictment was going to go through no matter the findings.
Comey's statement did not make sense to me as it merely shows that Clinton is held to a different standard from others.
Like I have said to others, hoping for an indictment to win the primaries is not something one could rely on.
I have not went after Clinton for her emails during primaries as I did not see much of a point, however this is an embarrassment, particularly as one could take apart what the FBI Director has said and use it in attack ads.
Hopefully defense for her goes beyond "No Indictment", as what is mentioned in the report is a basis for charging but held to a different standard where they have to prove intent this time.
ThinkCritically
(241 posts)However, she didn't intentionally leak classified information. That is clear. Whether or not it was gross negligence is not up to us to decide. The DOJ still has to make a decision. I can already guess how that will go down but it's best for democrats that she doesn't get indicted. What worries me the most is that the media will run with republicans reactionary rhetoric and cause people on the fence to believe she got special favors to get out of criminal charges which will do more damage to our party. We have to force a shift in the media to start scrutinizing Donald Trump and all of the terrible decisions he has made. They need to be journalists for once and dig deep to expose him. There needs to be major breaking stories and developing stories. He needs to be hit hard by the media. It will not only turn the focus onto how terrible a president he will be but it will make him crack. It will cause him to be reactionary, just like every other republican, and say something stupid. That is how he will be defeated. His weaknesses need to be exposed and his biggest weakness is his ego.
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)Thanks, and I wish her luck in the Primary, and if she wins the Presidency, the ability to get beyond obstruction, particularly as this merely allows Republicans to cut and paste parts of this statement to start up one at some point. Not to mention all the attack ads that can be done through just that.
Which is why again, I go back to Local.
ThinkCritically
(241 posts)But at some point people have to realize that Hillary Clinton will start the process for Bernies platform to be implemented fully. The very first thing that needs to happen in order to make big changes is to overturn citizens united. Now, I'm not sure if she will follow through with support for overturning it BUT she has stated several times that she is on our side on that issue. If she appoints liberal SCJ's then we are in the clear. It will happen. There are already 16 states who are onboard. California has a proposition on the November ballot that forces legislators to do everything within their power to overturn citizens united. Cuomo just stated he will push forward in New York to do what he can to overturn citizens united. It IS happening! TYT has been working on Wolf Pac for years now and has 7 states on board. We have to utilize what we've got with Hillary Clinton to make it happen. Think about it. Gay marriage is a reality in all 50 states now. Several states are implementing $15 an hour, some states are considering dropping the ACA and moving to single payer, and several liberal democrats are winning their primaries. Bernie did something fantastic with his campaign and we can't throw it all away now because Hillary won the nomination. We still have an avenue to travel with her but we get a dead end with Chump.
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)I already will. Beyond that, where I will concentrate on is Local.
I thought it was foolish to think that an indictment will take Clinton out.
I mean, no matter what they find, chances are nothing will happen.
Thing is they(Republicans) will use such things as a means to dominate the airwaves, going with one crazy investigation, after another, while passing dismal legislation that goes below the radar. Anything halfway decent will be buried and unable to see the light of day.
In any case, this just went through:
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/286490-court-officials-cant-use-private-email-accounts-to-evade
Where Officials can not use private emails to evade record laws. This is done the same day as Comey's statement. This is a belated out in force after all this, so it seems that Clinton's case may be the reason that prompted such an action/ruling. It merely emphasizes the idea/opinion that something was wrong in all of this. Which, by Comey's testimony, there was(if even by incompetent mishandling of classified information), just not something they are willing to bring charges with.
America will get the President it deserves. I've already given up on it and as such, I am doing what Sanders is doing. Concentrating on helping local/down-ticket Democrats who are willing to work towards progressive ideals. This is where I still place some sort of hope, and it is a means of defeating/combating a disastrous Presidency.
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)As so many have pointed out, Hillary is not bound to the planks of the party platform but if she can be convinced that those planks are important enough, she may go with them, but the old saying stands true that you can catch a bee better with honey than with vinegar.
Even though I've been a Hillary supporter from day one, I always agreed with more of Bernie's positions than hers overall even though his approach on certain positions was a deal breaker for me. I am very glad that ending the death penalty is part of the platform. But the reality is, this is the candidate we have and our goal should be to make her as great a candidate as we can.
emulatorloo
(46,151 posts)He may have an axe to grind.
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)Given that:
- She Sent and Received Classified Information through those servers.
- She lost some of those emails
- Her Email may have been hacked
- She has quite a few of those servers
They are not indicting due to the "Lack of Intent" or perhaps lack of knowledge of wrong doing, even though Ignorance of Law is no excuse.
I don't see why he would have an axe to grind, if he did, chances are they would indict.
Then again, I don't really know. Either way, they have now set up a rule system where officials can not use private emails to avoid lapses on the record keeping laws.
Tarc
(10,597 posts)IMO, this once and for all ends the 2016 Democratic Primary.
