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ThinkCritically

(241 posts)
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 10:20 AM Jul 2016

No Indictment!

Now we can put this behind us and continue forward. This has always been my biggest fear with Hillary being the nominee and now that fear is gone. Lets blow this thing up now!

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No Indictment! (Original Post) ThinkCritically Jul 2016 OP
Splodey heads are slpoding !!!!! just want to be the first to say it on email threads uponit7771 Jul 2016 #1
It is pretty funny metroins Jul 2016 #2
Yeap, she left the cover page off the TPS report and the GOP went ape shit uponit7771 Jul 2016 #4
Or to put it in real world terms.. Kentonio Jul 2016 #17
She's already apologized multiple times. Her server was probably safer than the State Departments. Hoyt Jul 2016 #26
And I'm glad it was you! tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #7
msnbc is now repeating what they know-think the Trump campaign riversedge Jul 2016 #18
Yeap, she left the cover page off the TPS report and the GOP went ape shit uponit7771 Jul 2016 #19
time to move on mcar Jul 2016 #3
Exactly, time to dump Trump is the first order of business. Thinkingabout Jul 2016 #10
Good. Kelvin Mace Jul 2016 #5
It began twenty five years ago. Thinkingabout Jul 2016 #11
Well then, I guess that should shut down a lot of noise around here, eh? tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #6
So, are Bernie's chances of winning the Democratic nomination Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2016 #8
Let Bernie be Bernie! MoonRiver Jul 2016 #12
Theres honestly no reason to attack Bernie over this news. ThinkCritically Jul 2016 #14
How is he "mending the divisions" by staying in? Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2016 #25
Aw man! Republicans are going to be wailing and tearing their hair out of their heads! BlueCaliDem Jul 2016 #9
I absolutely agree. ThinkCritically Jul 2016 #15
Trump is being exonerated of all charges against him by our so-called 4th estate. Must be nice to be BlueCaliDem Jul 2016 #16
BUT GUCCIFER!!! MFM008 Jul 2016 #13
No Indictment as No Reasonable Prosecutor will bring charges. Xyzse Jul 2016 #20
It's not great optics, I agree. ThinkCritically Jul 2016 #21
That's definitely a better defense than... "No Indictment". Xyzse Jul 2016 #22
I'm a Bernie supporter and I still donate to his network. ThinkCritically Jul 2016 #23
You don't have to try to convince me to vote. Xyzse Jul 2016 #24
I wish more people thought like you. nolawarlock Jul 2016 #30
Comey was Ken Starr's protege during the fake Whitewater investigation. emulatorloo Jul 2016 #27
What do you mean? He mentioned that there will be no indictment. Xyzse Jul 2016 #28
Uh-oh, there goes the Old Sanders Camp's last chance at the nomination Tarc Jul 2016 #29
 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
17. Or to put it in real world terms..
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 10:44 AM
Jul 2016

"Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information"

That is not ok, but at least now we can put it behind us and move on. I hope Mrs Clinton apologizes for those errors though so this whole thing can be put to bed.

riversedge

(80,031 posts)
18. msnbc is now repeating what they know-think the Trump campaign
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 10:45 AM
Jul 2016

will go with--sloppy and extremely careless--this meme over and over and over......damn.

tallahasseedem

(6,716 posts)
6. Well then, I guess that should shut down a lot of noise around here, eh?
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 10:26 AM
Jul 2016

Oh probably not...but at least we can have fun with it. WOOT!!!!

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,939 posts)
8. So, are Bernie's chances of winning the Democratic nomination
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 10:28 AM
Jul 2016

officially negative zero, now? What's his argument to the SDs, now? He doesn't have the polls to lean on anymore (Hillary is doing quite well against Trump in GE polling), there is NOT going to be an indictment/prosecution of HRC, and the DNC has adopted at least some of his agenda for the platform, so what's left?

 

ThinkCritically

(241 posts)
14. Theres honestly no reason to attack Bernie over this news.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 10:40 AM
Jul 2016

He is staying in to work on the platform which is perfectly acceptable. You may not realize it but he is mending the divisions by staying in. If you want people to stop supporting Bernie Sanders then you can start by attempting to be civil about his decisions. This narrative that his staying in hurts Clinton is backwards. It's time to stop getting angry about everything and try to work together. It was time to do that on June 7th but people are still having a difficult time accepting that democrats have differing views. It's not your way or the highway. It never was.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,939 posts)
25. How is he "mending the divisions" by staying in?
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 02:17 PM
Jul 2016

I feel like he is making it seem like there is still a race to win when there isn't. His campaign is sort of devolving into a farce and his decision to comment on the FBI non-indictment of Clinton over her e-mail server earlier today was equally baffling. Despite it being a much closer race in 2008, Clinton had no issues with bowing out almost immediately at the beginning of June and quickly endorsing Obama. Yet Clinton won a sizable PD victory that no SD would dare overturn absent some extraordinary circumstances that have yet to materialize and Bernie is still pretending that he has a chance and is extending things all the way to the convention for some reason that I simply can't discern. He could suspend his campaign like all of the other candidates and still remain just as involved in the DNC, so I don't get what his endgame is. Is he even going to accept the results of the DNC?

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
9. Aw man! Republicans are going to be wailing and tearing their hair out of their heads!
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 10:28 AM
Jul 2016

Now...can we focus on the lawsuit against Trump in the Federal Court regarding his sexual abuse and rape of a 13 year old? Or will M$M continue to flog this dead horse?

 

ThinkCritically

(241 posts)
15. I absolutely agree.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 10:42 AM
Jul 2016

Why is there no coverage of his Trump U case? Why is there no coverage of the 100+ times he has been named in federal cases? Boggles the mind doesn't it?

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
16. Trump is being exonerated of all charges against him by our so-called 4th estate. Must be nice to be
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 10:44 AM
Jul 2016

a Republican in the United States. You get a pass on everything and anything you do that would crucify a Democrat.

Uneffingbelievable.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
20. No Indictment as No Reasonable Prosecutor will bring charges.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 10:52 AM
Jul 2016

Even though:

- Others have been prosecuted and penalized for similar
- She has compromised National Security
- Their handling of emails and classified information is incompetent

Yes, I knew that no indictment was going to go through no matter the findings.
Comey's statement did not make sense to me as it merely shows that Clinton is held to a different standard from others.

Like I have said to others, hoping for an indictment to win the primaries is not something one could rely on.

I have not went after Clinton for her emails during primaries as I did not see much of a point, however this is an embarrassment, particularly as one could take apart what the FBI Director has said and use it in attack ads.

Hopefully defense for her goes beyond "No Indictment", as what is mentioned in the report is a basis for charging but held to a different standard where they have to prove intent this time.

 

ThinkCritically

(241 posts)
21. It's not great optics, I agree.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 11:01 AM
Jul 2016

However, she didn't intentionally leak classified information. That is clear. Whether or not it was gross negligence is not up to us to decide. The DOJ still has to make a decision. I can already guess how that will go down but it's best for democrats that she doesn't get indicted. What worries me the most is that the media will run with republicans reactionary rhetoric and cause people on the fence to believe she got special favors to get out of criminal charges which will do more damage to our party. We have to force a shift in the media to start scrutinizing Donald Trump and all of the terrible decisions he has made. They need to be journalists for once and dig deep to expose him. There needs to be major breaking stories and developing stories. He needs to be hit hard by the media. It will not only turn the focus onto how terrible a president he will be but it will make him crack. It will cause him to be reactionary, just like every other republican, and say something stupid. That is how he will be defeated. His weaknesses need to be exposed and his biggest weakness is his ego.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
22. That's definitely a better defense than... "No Indictment".
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 11:09 AM
Jul 2016

Thanks, and I wish her luck in the Primary, and if she wins the Presidency, the ability to get beyond obstruction, particularly as this merely allows Republicans to cut and paste parts of this statement to start up one at some point. Not to mention all the attack ads that can be done through just that.

Which is why again, I go back to Local.

 

ThinkCritically

(241 posts)
23. I'm a Bernie supporter and I still donate to his network.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 11:35 AM
Jul 2016

But at some point people have to realize that Hillary Clinton will start the process for Bernies platform to be implemented fully. The very first thing that needs to happen in order to make big changes is to overturn citizens united. Now, I'm not sure if she will follow through with support for overturning it BUT she has stated several times that she is on our side on that issue. If she appoints liberal SCJ's then we are in the clear. It will happen. There are already 16 states who are onboard. California has a proposition on the November ballot that forces legislators to do everything within their power to overturn citizens united. Cuomo just stated he will push forward in New York to do what he can to overturn citizens united. It IS happening! TYT has been working on Wolf Pac for years now and has 7 states on board. We have to utilize what we've got with Hillary Clinton to make it happen. Think about it. Gay marriage is a reality in all 50 states now. Several states are implementing $15 an hour, some states are considering dropping the ACA and moving to single payer, and several liberal democrats are winning their primaries. Bernie did something fantastic with his campaign and we can't throw it all away now because Hillary won the nomination. We still have an avenue to travel with her but we get a dead end with Chump.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
24. You don't have to try to convince me to vote.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 12:25 PM
Jul 2016

I already will. Beyond that, where I will concentrate on is Local.

I thought it was foolish to think that an indictment will take Clinton out.
I mean, no matter what they find, chances are nothing will happen.

Thing is they(Republicans) will use such things as a means to dominate the airwaves, going with one crazy investigation, after another, while passing dismal legislation that goes below the radar. Anything halfway decent will be buried and unable to see the light of day.

In any case, this just went through:
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/286490-court-officials-cant-use-private-email-accounts-to-evade
Where Officials can not use private emails to evade record laws. This is done the same day as Comey's statement. This is a belated out in force after all this, so it seems that Clinton's case may be the reason that prompted such an action/ruling. It merely emphasizes the idea/opinion that something was wrong in all of this. Which, by Comey's testimony, there was(if even by incompetent mishandling of classified information), just not something they are willing to bring charges with.

America will get the President it deserves. I've already given up on it and as such, I am doing what Sanders is doing. Concentrating on helping local/down-ticket Democrats who are willing to work towards progressive ideals. This is where I still place some sort of hope, and it is a means of defeating/combating a disastrous Presidency.

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
30. I wish more people thought like you.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 03:07 PM
Jul 2016

As so many have pointed out, Hillary is not bound to the planks of the party platform but if she can be convinced that those planks are important enough, she may go with them, but the old saying stands true that you can catch a bee better with honey than with vinegar.

Even though I've been a Hillary supporter from day one, I always agreed with more of Bernie's positions than hers overall even though his approach on certain positions was a deal breaker for me. I am very glad that ending the death penalty is part of the platform. But the reality is, this is the candidate we have and our goal should be to make her as great a candidate as we can.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
28. What do you mean? He mentioned that there will be no indictment.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 02:32 PM
Jul 2016

Given that:

- She Sent and Received Classified Information through those servers.
- She lost some of those emails
- Her Email may have been hacked
- She has quite a few of those servers

They are not indicting due to the "Lack of Intent" or perhaps lack of knowledge of wrong doing, even though Ignorance of Law is no excuse.

I don't see why he would have an axe to grind, if he did, chances are they would indict.

Then again, I don't really know. Either way, they have now set up a rule system where officials can not use private emails to avoid lapses on the record keeping laws.

Tarc

(10,597 posts)
29. Uh-oh, there goes the Old Sanders Camp's last chance at the nomination
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 02:53 PM
Jul 2016

IMO, this once and for all ends the 2016 Democratic Primary.

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