2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton Formally Backs Public Option In Bid For Sanders Supporters
"Hillary Clinton will formally reaffirm on Saturday her support for creating a public option within Obamacare and allowing people to enroll in Medicare at age 55, campaign aides have told The Huffington Post.
The presumptive Democratic presidential nominee will also call for a substantial increase in funding in medical clinics that serve low-income Americans.
While Clinton has long supported the creation of new government-run insurance options, and reiterated that support several times this year, this is the campaigns first formal endorsement of the idea.
Not coincidentally, it comes three days before she is scheduled to make her first joint campaign appearance with Sen. Bernie Sanders, (I-Vt.) ― who has championed government-run insurance and federally financed clinics throughout his career and during his own bid for the presidency."
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5781064fe4b01edea78e1cf1
Here's another positive move for Hillary and the DNC.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)While Clinton has long supported the creation of new government-run insurance options, and reiterated that support several times this year, this is the campaigns first formal endorsement of the idea.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Hillary has stood steadfast by the ACA.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)From your link.:
She made a public option part of her campaign proposal to reform health care in 2008.
The during part is covered in what I quoted above.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)But this isn't 2008 and single payer has been absent from Hillary's 2016 campaign. Please provide a link and I'll gladly say that I was wrong.
This is something we should be celebrating and not arguing over. My comment wasn't a slam against Hillary or the DNC. The point I was making was that it was a positive move to help bring Bernie supporters into the tent.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)It's in your op along with the first reply to you.
You believe your own link when it says she is going to call for a public option next week. You don't believe your own link when it clearly says its a continuation of a long held policy of hers.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)And where do I imply I don't believe or know Hillary policy position over the years.
I realize that Hillary was a trail Blazer in regards to health care and I never said otherwise. The facts remain that Hillary during this election, started off running lock step with the ACA. Only in In Virginia in May 2016 did she move the needle back to be more in line with her prior positions.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)She has promoted it this cycle.
"If you are saying that H started talking about this again in May of this year then ok, I agree".
Even you say it by including the word "again". As in a continuation. I'm still missing something. You are happy she changed though you are fully aware it has been a long held position of hers.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)And I'm hopeful that this move will help unite the party.
I'm not so sure now.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)As we both agree, she has promoted it in this and past campaigns.
The party is uniting faster than anyone thought it would. Clinton has the endorsement of the President, VP, Warren, and soon Sanders have endorsed, and the polls have us in a solid starting position. Plenty of work for us ahead.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)The fact does remain that she did start this campaign lock step with the ACA. I should have been clear that Hillary did update her position in Feb
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)I'm sure I'm somewhat guilty as well.
If I was hoping that I would have bounced.
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)The public option isn't a single-payer plan. That's why it's been absent. You can endorse the former without the latter.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)you must remember that. of course that opponent in the primary was not telling the truth when he said he would insist on a public option.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)I thought that was her plan all through the primaries.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)She made a public option part of her campaign proposal to reform health care in 2008.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)She had already stated this was how she thought it best to build off the ACA rather than trashing it and attempting medicare for all.
How is this adopting Sanders' plan?
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)From 2007: http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=92180
Under section 1.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)And before you think I'm trying to argue with you please read post #13
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)They just realized they think a long held position of Clintons is positive. Knowledge is power.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)are really just Bernie's ideas.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Chathamization
(1,638 posts)Looking at her new statement, I don't see anything new about the public option (might have missed something, though).
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Chathamization
(1,638 posts)through the waivers, which is the same way single-payer can happen (Colorado will be voting on single-payer this fall). I can't think of any reason why blue states shouldn't have at least a public option, if not single-payer. But there unfortunately doesn't seem to be much of a push in this direction.
Not sure how much focus Clinton will put on this issue, but the reaffirmation is at least a good sign. A strong focus on this (and on fixing a lot of the issues going on at the state level) could make a huge difference for a lot of people.
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)PatrickforO
(14,569 posts)dance a jig! And I'll tell you why.
Right now, I have shitty, rationed healthcare from an HMO that cares far more about retaining earnings and cutting costs than it does about providing adequate medical treatment for me. This piece of crap 'coverage' comes complete with financially crippling copays, and between me and my employer, costs a whopping 18.9% of my gross pay. These fucks have raised our premiums double digits over the last five years and we've watched the quality and amount of coverage go down, down, down, while its cost has gone up, up, up. So, basically, we've got 3,500 people working in my city for my employer who now are paying A LOT MORE for MUCH LESS.
I eagerly volunteered for Obama's campaign in '08 because he promised national healthcare, and silly me, I thought that meant that we'd be getting the same type of single payer healthcare system enjoyed by EVERYONE ELSE IN THE ADVANCED WORLD.
But...no...they said they didn't have enough votes, and instead of a tax-funded plan that would cover us all so we didn't have to be wheeled through the hospital's accounting department on the way to surgery so they could make sure we had the means to pay, we got ACA which is basically a Heritage Foundation plan from the '90s that amounts to huge corporate welfare for insurance companies. Am I happy with that? Fuck, no, nor am I grateful.
I always thought the thing about not having enough votes was so weak it was actually lame. I, along with millions of other Americans who campaigned for Obama because he promised national healthcare were just waiting for the call to march on Washington to pressure the do-nothings in Congress to actually do something that benefits us for a change. We could have made this happen!!!
But, no...no one said, but the real reason we didn't get single payer is because it goes against service monopoly provisions in the GATS service trade agreement of 1995. Seriously. The Dems we put in office didn't even have the intestinal fortitude to bring that up, try and renegotiate GATS or get a waiver from the other countries that signed. They could have - there are several pathways to this. But no.
So did I, and do I, feel betrayed? Oh, YES.
Is that why I was such a fervent Bernie supporter? ABSOLUTELY, among other policy stances, but single payer healthcare was the biggie.
This is why Clinton's statement now means so much. I was always going to vote for her, but if she keeps this up, I might actually support her during her campaign.
But you know what? Once elected, I don't want to hear excuses from any Dem we put in national office about how they just couldn't make it happen. I want results. I want single payer, because it is the right thing to do. It is the moral thing to do. We 320,000,000 Americans ALL have the basic human right to healthcare. Period. It is a public good that needs to be publicly funded and extended to ALL Americans.
I am not gonna shut up about it, and I'm not gonna stop pressuring my Representative (a real knuckle dragger, but I call his office at least once a month), and my two Senators. I have written Obama about this many times, and I have been hard on him for his support of TPP, which I honestly do not believe is in the interest of the American worker.
So there it is.
THANK YOU HILLARY CLINTON. WITH THIS YOU HAVE EARNED MY SUPPORT AND I WILL NO LONGER CONSIDER YOU 'THE LESSER OF EVILS.'
But that is conditional. With all due respect, please find a way to MAKE IT HAPPEN when you get in office.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)As soon as there was any hint of opposition to it, he chickened out and stopped talking about it in his speeches about the bill.
I think he thought that by giving up the public option it would generate some Republican support. Surprise, it didn't.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)But if thinking of her long-held position as a "move" helps Sanders supporters get onboard, I guess that's fine.