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Haveadream

(1,630 posts)
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 10:18 AM Jul 2016

The Biggest Problem Hillary Has for Her VP Pick: None Hold a Candle to Her

The reason Hillary's choice for VP is so difficult is because she is unique, incredibly qualified and a star. Very few politicians ever measure up to that category, even if they have been Presidents. Bill is one as is Obama. So is Hillary as well. The VP pick doesn't necessarily need to be of that star caliber but nearly every VP possibility just seems tepid in comparison.

The reason Elizabeth Warren was so energizing is precisely because she also has that unique star quality. She was a perfect accompaniment and was able to hold her own on the stage while shining the spotlight on Hillary. Unfortunately, her northeast demographic may not make strategic sense and she is also older and
* cough* a woman. Which brings us to some of the other choices. It isn't going to be easy to find someone who brings the right things to the ticket, is qualified and special enough to share the stage and possibly fill her shoes in the future. She truly has a challenge here.

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w4rma

(31,700 posts)
3. Kaine is easily one of the worst picks.
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 10:56 AM
Jul 2016

In my humble opinion. I know a lot of Virginians who could be convinced to vote for Clinton, with another VP pick, other than Kaine.

Haveadream

(1,630 posts)
12. Interesting
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 07:34 PM
Jul 2016

I'm not crazy about Kaine for any number of reasons, charisma or lack thereof being just one of them. We could absolutely use the swing states in the south and if Kaine helps or hinders, that is critical to know. Thanks for the info re: Virginia voters.

brush

(54,539 posts)
2. Not entirely accurate
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 10:37 AM
Jul 2016

Rep. Xavier Becerra hasn't gotten much notice but is quite dynamic and can hold his own with the best of them.

Being Latino American too is a plus in this particular campaign, considering Trump's outrageous anti-Latino and anti-immigrant stances.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
5. Hey Brush, I could not remember the name, but ya. Rep. Xavier Becerra may have it, I just have not
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 11:01 AM
Jul 2016

enough of him. But of all the ones called out, he is the one that I can see possibly have it. That is interesting seeing it in this way. Now that it is said out loud, I think it is totally true and obvious.

Haveadream

(1,630 posts)
13. Thanks, seabeyond
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 07:38 PM
Jul 2016


Yes, obvious and true. I hope she chooses someone dynamic and uber qualified. Not an easy combination.

StevieM

(10,503 posts)
7. I like Becerra a lot and I wish that Hillary would pick him. Unfortunately, she seems to be moving
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 11:11 AM
Jul 2016

in a different direction, at least according to recent rumors.

He may be Speaker of the House some day.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
4. I think both Warren and OMalley can fill the role as the article discussed Warren.
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 10:59 AM
Jul 2016

But, I think you are right. I hadn't considered this but this si exactly right. I think the California dude may have it in him. I would just have to see more of him to know.

Very perceptive. And I agree.

karynnj

(59,553 posts)
8. Does the VP EVER at this point really come close to the nominee
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 11:47 AM
Jul 2016

The very fact of becoming the nominee is that you are suddenly seen as a "president". This is not true of the VP, who is in a secondary role and his/her main job is to enhance, protect and promote the entire ticket. Even media favorites designated as very charismatic ever come remotely close to outshining the nominee. (In fact, one wonders if the media is - to some degree - putting its thumb on the scale - in the 2004 GE, Edwards absolutely paled vs either Kerry or his primary season self.)

Early in the 1992 race, the odds on favorite was Mario Cuomo, who after Hamlet like mixed signals opted not to run. Many people spoke of him as being far above the "dwarfs" also competing. Bill Clinton did not immediately easily win the nomination -- he clenched it in June. Yet, as he moved into his convention, the halo of being the nominee gave him a presence he didn't have before. Even if you could have swapped Gore's and Clinton's personalities, Gore as VP would not have outshone Clinton.

Clinton has credentials for foreign policy and domestic policy and she is seen as having gravitas. There is no policy area weakness that could be fixed by a VP. (think Biden's 30 or so years on the SFRC vs Obama's significant, but short FP credientials) A VP choice is unlikely to counter any (unfair or not) integrity/honesty issues. I suspect that HRC is in the position that a VP is unlikely to make a difference either way. Thus insuring that the VP has no baggage is likely what is important to prevent the VP from being even slightly a negative.

I think HRC is in a good place to select the person she wants at her side who she believes in a good choice to be President if - heaven forbid - that is needed.


Haveadream

(1,630 posts)
15. You are right, of course
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 08:01 PM
Jul 2016

Once candidates get to the general, they acquire a high wattage persona just for having won the primary. That said, there are some candidates that have star power before they even get to that point, Hillary being one of them. She has been voted most admired woman in the world nearly 20 times and that is one of the reasons her electability has seemed "inevitable". A VP pick can bolster credentials and round out the geography of the ticket. Right now, it appears we can use extra strength to combat the GOP in southern swing states and on jobs and the economy in the rust belt. I'm sure the campaign has excellent polling numbers for all of the above and more. It would be fantastic to see those stats!

Independent_Voice

(229 posts)
11. I don't see how that's a problem
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 02:33 PM
Jul 2016

She's the one at the top of the ticket.

If she chooses a running mate with a ton of charisma or high energy, she'll be accused of torpedoing herself by choosing someone who "overshadows her."

So what's she supposed to do? -- not pick ANYONE?

Haveadream

(1,630 posts)
14. She needs someone with charisma, gravitas and something unique
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 07:51 PM
Jul 2016

At this point, it is doubtful anyone could overshadow her. She can hold her own on the stage or in a debate with anyone, Bill included. Adding to that, her run is historic. I hope she chooses someone with all those qualities but different enough from her that they shine in their own right.

Independent_Voice

(229 posts)
18. Well, I feel that Xavier Becerra fits that bill really well
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 11:34 PM
Jul 2016

Becerra, and Congressman Tim Ryan, were the ones who I viewed as the most strategic out of the leaked short-list from early-June.

Unfortunately, Tim Ryan has completely fallen by the wayside...and Xavier Becerra also has been shunted to the backburner.

Out of Kaine, Perez, and Vilsack -- Perez is the most outgoing, by far.

Kaine is (by his own admission) "boring"...but he's also a "safe" choice.

Vilsack is risky, due to his age and his Monsanto ties.

But I still contend that Secretary Clinton could probably select a mule for her ticket, and it still isn't going to make much difference in terms of either gaining/losing her additional voters.

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