Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:13 AM
merrily (45,251 posts)
The hypocrisy of MSBNC re: the Melania Trump plagiarism.
First, let me say that plagiarism is wrong and, even though a speechwriter was likely involved, both Melania and Donald Trump were remiss. This post does not overlook or dismiss any of that. However, maybe twenty or more threads on those topics have already been started here since last night. And the fact that they were wrong does not make MSNBC right. So, I am taking a different approach than most other OPs about the plagiarism have taken.
We heard from MSNBC a lot of consternation about the plagiarism. O'Donnell refused to let Melania off the hook, even if a speechwriter wrote the speech, saying something like, "There is responsibility for the spoken word." I agree with that. Chris Matthews, who, once again, seems to have found his inner Republican, however, disagreed, saying Trump did nothing wrong; Melania did nothing wrong. One person and one person alone was responsible and that person not only should be fired, but should never work again. After Matthews said that, O'Donnell dropped his claim that Melania was also responsible for speaking the words. I think there is responsibility in both Melania and Donald Trump. At the same time, plagiarism, which is likely also copyright violation, is not all that different from bigotry or from making up stuff and trying to pass it off in print or on air as real. On the same panel as O'Donnell, Maddow and Matthews sat Brian Williams. We all remember why Williams is currently "earning" his contracted for ten million dollars a year at MSBNC these days, rather than as NBC's nightly news anchor, for which that ten mil is more commensurate. Then, there is Mike Barnicle: Boston Globe controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Barnicle And, some of us remember when MSNBC treated Pat Buchanan like the pope of politics, trotting him out, program after program, on both MSNBC and NBC, with little to zero push back at anything Buchanan said coming from program anchors or hosts. To the contrary, Buchanan was treated as THE expert among experts. Despite many protests from viewers about Buchanan's racism and xenophobia, MSNBC did not get rid of him until after release of Buchanan's second openly xenophobic book. (Sad to say, PBS has long broadcast the McLaughlin Group, where Buchanan [strike]pontificates[/strike] [strike]bloviates[/strike] comments about politics.) So, Mr. Matthews, maybe you are correct. Maybe the speechwriter responsible for Melania Trump's speech should never work again. However, if you believe that, perhaps you should be railing at the head of NBC News, your very own boss, too. Somehow, I don't think you ever did that, though. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8025535
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merrily | Jul 2016 | OP |
joshcryer | Jul 2016 | #1 | |
merrily | Jul 2016 | #5 | |
joshcryer | Jul 2016 | #7 | |
merrily | Jul 2016 | #9 | |
joshcryer | Jul 2016 | #34 | |
Sheepshank | Jul 2016 | #42 | |
merrily | Jul 2016 | #58 | |
Sheepshank | Jul 2016 | #62 | |
scscholar | Jul 2016 | #29 | |
joshcryer | Jul 2016 | #35 | |
Demsrule86 | Jul 2016 | #2 | |
glennward | Jul 2016 | #3 | |
merrily | Jul 2016 | #6 | |
joshcryer | Jul 2016 | #8 | |
merrily | Jul 2016 | #10 | |
kcr | Jul 2016 | #28 | |
joshcryer | Jul 2016 | #36 | |
vegetarian x | Jul 2016 | #21 | |
SticksnStones | Jul 2016 | #4 | |
merrily | Jul 2016 | #12 | |
SticksnStones | Jul 2016 | #16 | |
bemildred | Jul 2016 | #11 | |
Demsrule86 | Jul 2016 | #26 | |
bemildred | Jul 2016 | #32 | |
Sheepshank | Jul 2016 | #43 | |
bemildred | Jul 2016 | #44 | |
Sheepshank | Jul 2016 | #46 | |
bemildred | Jul 2016 | #47 | |
Sheepshank | Jul 2016 | #48 | |
bemildred | Jul 2016 | #50 | |
Demsrule86 | Jul 2016 | #63 | |
bemildred | Jul 2016 | #65 | |
joshcryer | Jul 2016 | #37 | |
bemildred | Jul 2016 | #41 | |
Squinch | Jul 2016 | #52 | |
greymattermom | Jul 2016 | #13 | |
merrily | Jul 2016 | #14 | |
geek tragedy | Jul 2016 | #15 | |
merrily | Jul 2016 | #18 | |
geek tragedy | Jul 2016 | #19 | |
merrily | Jul 2016 | #20 | |
geek tragedy | Jul 2016 | #23 | |
merrily | Jul 2016 | #24 | |
geek tragedy | Jul 2016 | #25 | |
merrily | Jul 2016 | #30 | |
joshcryer | Jul 2016 | #38 | |
merrily | Jul 2016 | #61 | |
Demsrule86 | Jul 2016 | #27 | |
merrily | Jul 2016 | #31 | |
Demsrule86 | Jul 2016 | #64 | |
oberliner | Jul 2016 | #17 | |
merrily | Jul 2016 | #22 | |
cosmicone | Jul 2016 | #33 | |
joshcryer | Jul 2016 | #39 | |
rbrnmw | Jul 2016 | #40 | |
merrily | Jul 2016 | #60 | |
CajunBlazer | Jul 2016 | #45 | |
merrily | Jul 2016 | #57 | |
TexasBushwhacker | Jul 2016 | #49 | |
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merrily | Jul 2016 | #59 | |
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Response to merrily (Original post)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:56 AM
joshcryer (62,228 posts)
1. Joe Biden was caught plagiarizing (a very long time ago) and Trump used it to attack him.
Republican frontrunner Donald Trump said he would "do great" in a hypothetical matchup with Vice President Joe Biden in part because of the prospective candidate's plagiarism in law school.
"I think I'd matchup great. I'm a job producer. I've had a great record, I haven't been involved in plagiarism. I think I would match up very well against him," Trump told conservative talk show host Hugh Hewitt on Wednesday night. Biden admitted to plagiarizing while in law school as well as lifting from writings by British politician Neil Kinnock while on the campaign trail -- and it became an issue that haunted his failed 1988 presidential bid. http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/13/politics/donald-trump-joe-biden-plagiarism/ Nobody's perfect and I actually am willing to take Melania at her word, and that she just mixed her notes (copy pasted speeches to go by) and her own writing. It can happen. We'll see how they spin it, however. Still looks bad on Trump's campaign because even if she did write it herself, and mess up and put in some other persons speech, it should've been vetted and looked over by the campaign. It shows utter incompetence on the campaign's behalf. They deserve everything that's coming tomorrow. |
Response to joshcryer (Reply #1)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 08:09 AM
merrily (45,251 posts)
5. I didn't know Melania had issued a statement on this?
Response to merrily (Reply #5)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 08:14 AM
joshcryer (62,228 posts)
7. I am anticipating as well.
Lady in such trouble for the blatant plagraism. She's gotta spin it somehow. I feel for her.
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Response to joshcryer (Reply #7)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 08:18 AM
merrily (45,251 posts)
9. So, Melania has said nothing yet and the following was just you anticipating what she would say:
Nobody's perfect and I actually am willing to take Melania at her word, and that she just mixed her notes (copy pasted speeches to go by) and her own writing. I'm glad you clarified. |
Response to merrily (Reply #9)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 04:40 PM
joshcryer (62,228 posts)
34. The campaign has doubled down.
And Melania has not addressed her plagiarism.
Glad we're on the same page here. |
Response to merrily (Reply #9)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:25 PM
Sheepshank (12,504 posts)
42. Melania spoke to Matt Laurer prior to giving her speech and said that she had written it.
http://www.today.com/news/melania-trump-convention-speech-i-wrote-it-little-help-possible-t100942
I do not believe she has directly addressed the plagiarism yet. Trump's staff have had a whole lot of conflicting things to say however. |
Response to Sheepshank (Reply #42)
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 01:34 AM
merrily (45,251 posts)
58. Please see Reply 59.
Response to merrily (Reply #58)
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 09:52 AM
Sheepshank (12,504 posts)
62. I was replying to your statement that Melania has said nothing (post #9)
she certainly had said something.
if you changed your mind about what you said in post #9 by the time you made post #59, good for you. |
Response to joshcryer (Reply #1)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 02:19 PM
scscholar (2,902 posts)
29. The attack on him was shown to have been plagerized...
and a fake. Why keep bringing up fake scandals? We get it. You don't like Biden.
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Response to scscholar (Reply #29)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 04:41 PM
joshcryer (62,228 posts)
35. Huh? Biden admitted his faults.
It cost him his '88 campaign. We move on. It's how it works. Apparently Melania cannot admit her faults and Trump's campaign has doubled down, saying it was nothing. It's a joke.
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Response to merrily (Original post)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 07:21 AM
Demsrule86 (67,180 posts)
2. Honestly I don't care.
I don't like Bryan but his situation has nothing to do with This. The speech needed to be called out and I commend MSNBC for doing so.
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Response to merrily (Original post)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 07:26 AM
glennward (989 posts)
3. You can bet one thing, the frenzy would be different if Hillary or Bill did this. nt
Response to glennward (Reply #3)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 08:11 AM
merrily (45,251 posts)
6. ? There has been A LOT of frenzy about the plagiarism on MSNBC, both last night and this morning.
Response to merrily (Reply #6)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 08:16 AM
joshcryer (62,228 posts)
8. Lawl
If Michelle did this there would be virtual lynchings. I'm not even exaggerating.
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Response to joshcryer (Reply #8)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 08:22 AM
merrily (45,251 posts)
10. The MSNBC panel talked about it non stop last night and the Morning Joe panel is doing the same.
Morning Joe has also shown over and over the side by side comparisons of the two speeches. I don't see how they could possibly make a bigger deal of it. I have not even heard anyone say it was only X minutes out of a Y minute speech. The only other thing Morning Joe has talked about has been the "trampling" of the Free the Delegates, etc. movements and they have not spent much time on that. It's all been about Melania's plagiarism, not even her entire speech, just the plagiarism.
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Response to merrily (Reply #10)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 02:15 PM
kcr (15,246 posts)
28. Not even her entire speech?
The monsters.
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Response to merrily (Reply #10)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 04:43 PM
joshcryer (62,228 posts)
36. Take a step back.
If this was done by a Democrat we'd be hearing about it here and on the JPR hate site for weeks if not months.
Plagiarism ends careers in the US. It does. The list of popular people who were ruined by plagiarism allegations is so long and unrelenting it's not even funny. This will not go away. |
Response to merrily (Reply #6)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 02:01 PM
vegetarian x (150 posts)
21. Keith Olbermann might have a few choice words. + Tim Russert, R.I.P.
Wanted to be more concise. Thanks for asking.
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Response to merrily (Original post)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 07:32 AM
SticksnStones (2,108 posts)
4. There's something very off about Trump
Personally I don't care how or who delivers that message, but he cannot become president.
There's a higher bar set if you want to be president than if you want to be a pundit. There's something very disturbingly off about Trump. It's not just his political beliefs, there's something mentally unhinged and out of touch with reality about the guy. It's like he's spent so much time inhaling the stale air from the bubble in which he lives that it's caused some kind of brain damage. |
Response to SticksnStones (Reply #4)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 10:29 AM
merrily (45,251 posts)
12. I am not compariing pundits with Presidential candidates.
The comparison is between Melania's speechwriter, whom Matthews said should never get work again, with the behavior of Matthews' employer, the NBC network and more specifically, the NBC News department, under whose aegis MSNBC operates.
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Response to merrily (Reply #12)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 11:13 AM
SticksnStones (2,108 posts)
16. Fair enough then
Let me say more specifically there is a higher bar set for a speech made by a potential first lady at a National Convention in front of a world wide audience than there is for a Boston sports writer's column. And to be sure, Barnacle tooks his lumps and admitted the plagiarism and lives with the consequence of that in his wiki page forever.
The reason this is such a big deal and does need to be discussed is not so much the 60 or so words that were plagerized but rather it very clearly illustrates how ill prepared Team Trump is to handle the White House. Either Trump himself or someone on his team thought it was a perfectly fine thing to do. Matthews comment was spoken in the larger context of discussing just how the Trump camp should move through the story. And I say the meat of the story is not the plagiarism per se but the inability to handle the fallout. Thank goddess the media are FINALLY beating to death just how unqualified Trump is to handle any unplanned challenge! It's finally being discussed not in terms of a novelty but rather a liability. I don't understand the value in calling out MSNBC for making hay with the story. That's the business they're in. |
Response to merrily (Original post)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 09:04 AM
bemildred (90,061 posts)
11. It is actually pretty tricky to avoid copying someone else.
Especially is one is not too imaginative oneself.
And high-minded political speech is not that imaginative to start with. I copy all kinds people's words into my own posts right here every day. Which makes the plagiarism issue handy for political witch hunts. But I think we can do much better than that with Trump. |
Response to bemildred (Reply #11)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 02:14 PM
Demsrule86 (67,180 posts)
26. why?
This is fine...you seize your opportuities.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #26)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 03:14 PM
bemildred (90,061 posts)
32. It won't move the political needle a bit is why.
It will convince nobody to change their vote.
And in the meantime Trump continues to enjoy all this free media coverage that everybody else has to pay for. |
Response to bemildred (Reply #32)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:30 PM
Sheepshank (12,504 posts)
43. completely agree that this one item will not move the needle
but you are clearly avoiding the fact that the continued and numerous burden of a full complement of ill will and bad playing will eventually build into an aggregate that may move the needle. Society must recognize and log in every issue as they arise, in the hopes that when the next issue comes up...and it will...that maybe *that* will be the straw that finally breaks the camel's back.
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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #43)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:37 PM
bemildred (90,061 posts)
44. Something which may, in the future, move the needle hardly seems like a fact.
On the other hand the ubiquitous free coverage which so many see and complain of does seem like a fact.
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Response to bemildred (Reply #44)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:47 PM
Sheepshank (12,504 posts)
46. so ignore any and all negative single events because by themselves they don't move the needle?
hardly.
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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #46)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:48 PM
bemildred (90,061 posts)
47. No ignore ones that won't do any good. Take the high road. nt
Response to bemildred (Reply #47)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:52 PM
Sheepshank (12,504 posts)
48. so you "know" this won't do any good? really, you "know"?
again, I think in the aggregate, many events converge to make a pattern of behavior, a consistent play on falsehoods etc. This one issue of plagiarism and it's various forms of covering up and excused actions have proven to be a good item to add to the cookie jar.
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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #48)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:52 PM
bemildred (90,061 posts)
50. Have a nice day. nt
Response to bemildred (Reply #32)
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 10:28 AM
Demsrule86 (67,180 posts)
63. I disagree
Anytime Trump is on defense blathering his stupidity ...it is a good thing for our side. So what exactly are we supposed to do to win? Let's see move left, move right, don't be 'shrill', get tough on immigration, be more caring about immigration, love the Green (vomit),and of course, the VP is crucial...the wrong choice and OMG the election is over...many will never be happy with anything that Hillary Clinton and/or the campaign does. I take it as it comes and hope for the best.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #63)
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 10:31 AM
bemildred (90,061 posts)
65. He has been up there blathering for quite a while now, and it has not been good for our side. nt
Response to bemildred (Reply #11)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 04:45 PM
joshcryer (62,228 posts)
37. I'd agree, if there was a speechwriter in common.
I could see a speechwriter reusing verbiage they've used before.
But nah, this is totally off base. She literally quoted an entire paragraph. It was stolen, plain and simple. |
Response to joshcryer (Reply #37)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:09 PM
bemildred (90,061 posts)
41. You think it's not tricky to avoid copying someone when writing a speech full of political cliches?
In academia they have software to do the searches and it is still prone to err.
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Response to bemildred (Reply #11)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 07:00 PM
Squinch (49,328 posts)
52. Um... no. It's actually quite simple to avoid copying others. You do it by not copying others.
Response to merrily (Original post)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 10:33 AM
greymattermom (5,731 posts)
13. I saw a statement that said the words were personal to her
So what does that mean? The only words that are personal to me are "I" and "me". I'm sure those words were in the speech.
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Response to greymattermom (Reply #13)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 10:46 AM
merrily (45,251 posts)
14. It may mean that a campaign spokesperson was throwing Melania under the bus.
Not a wise move if you are inside Trump campaign.
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Response to merrily (Reply #14)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 11:09 AM
geek tragedy (68,868 posts)
15. party activists will throw themselves under the bus
to protect their party's nominee.
Unless it's Trump--no one's going to take the fall and hurt their own career on behalf of Trump, because he's not one of them and because you know he won't have their back. |
Response to geek tragedy (Reply #15)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 01:55 PM
merrily (45,251 posts)
18. I'm not getting how your post relates to someone in Trump's campaign possibly throwing
Melania under the bus?
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Response to merrily (Reply #18)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 01:56 PM
geek tragedy (68,868 posts)
19. the point is that they are covering their own asses and putting blame on Trump and even
his wife, because there is absolutely zero loyalty either way
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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #19)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 02:01 PM
merrily (45,251 posts)
20. Thanks. People working for a campaign usually want to keep
their jobs, I think. Throwing the wife of the candidate under the bus seems risky in that respect.
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Response to merrily (Reply #20)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 02:04 PM
geek tragedy (68,868 posts)
23. They usually want their candidate to win, above all other things.
And there's generally the understanding that if someone falls on a grenade to protect the candidate and the candidate's family, down the line they'll repay the favor to that person.
That mutuality of trust and loyalty simply doesn't exist between Trump and anyone other than maybe his kids. |
Response to geek tragedy (Reply #23)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 02:07 PM
merrily (45,251 posts)
24. A Duer suggested this could have been intentional sabotage.
MSNBC has been going on about plagiarism all day, so far.
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Response to merrily (Reply #24)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 02:08 PM
geek tragedy (68,868 posts)
25. the plagiarism was so obvious it was almost like they wanted to get caught
and they also Rickrolled.
If someone is trying to sabotage them from within, hats off to them. |
Response to geek tragedy (Reply #25)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 02:24 PM
merrily (45,251 posts)
30. Weeeellll, she said a few words similar to a few words in Astley's one hit.
That is not rickrolling, though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rickrolling
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Response to merrily (Reply #30)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 04:47 PM
joshcryer (62,228 posts)
38. Not rickrolling?
Are you serious? She literally quoted the song...
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Response to joshcryer (Reply #38)
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 01:46 AM
merrily (45,251 posts)
61. Please look at the link I provided in the post to which you are replying. Thanks.
Response to merrily (Reply #24)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 02:15 PM
Demsrule86 (67,180 posts)
27. Glad to hear it. nt
Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #27)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 02:25 PM
merrily (45,251 posts)
31. It's a possibility, not a certainty.
Response to merrily (Reply #31)
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 10:29 AM
Demsrule86 (67,180 posts)
64. I mean that that the story is being covered. NT
Response to merrily (Original post)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 11:17 AM
oberliner (58,724 posts)
17. There is no hypocrisy there at all
They are saying whoever was responsible for the Melania speech should be fired and never work again because they took a potentially historic moment and turned it into an embarrassing one, by plagiarizing the speech of the First Lady from the opposing party.
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Response to oberliner (Reply #17)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 02:03 PM
merrily (45,251 posts)
22. I think a major network news anchor making up stuff is just as embarrassing as plagiarism. Same for
bigotry and Barnicle's stuff.
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Response to merrily (Original post)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 04:11 PM
cosmicone (11,014 posts)
33. Did you accidentally post this on DU instead of the other "progressive" site
where "poor poor Melania" and "how great Trump is" have been favorite topics?
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Response to cosmicone (Reply #33)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 04:48 PM
joshcryer (62,228 posts)
39. Probably.
But probably doesn't post under their DU name there.
FWIW, I call it a hate site, I'd suggest you'd do the same. As that is 100% what that site is. They literally have posts saying that the Republican Party is going to be the new Democratic Party and that there's an ideological shift happening. It belies belief. |
Response to cosmicone (Reply #33)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 04:48 PM
rbrnmw (7,160 posts)
40. Ding ding ding
Response to cosmicone (Reply #33)
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 01:37 AM
merrily (45,251 posts)
60. Please read the OP past the title.
Last edited Wed Jul 20, 2016, 02:09 AM - Edit history (1) Replying about the actual subject matter of the Op rather than what you imagine to be my Windows practices might be nice as well.
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Response to merrily (Original post)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:42 PM
CajunBlazer (5,648 posts)
45. The problem with your theory is that Melania is totally responsible for this fiasco
No one got fired by the Trump campaign. That tells me that it was Melania, not a speechwriter who plagiarized Michelle's lines. It would be so easy to fire the guilty speechwriter, if he/she is actually guilty of the "crime". That means suspicion moves to only one person, and Trump isn't going to fire his wife in the middle of a campaign - at least I don't think so.
Melania said she wrote the speech; I doubt that she wrote the entire speech, but instead contributed to it. And she evidently knows how to use google. The true message behind this fiasco is that Melania was giving that speech to vouch for Trump as only a wife can, or would want to in Trump's case. If she herself is not honest.... |
Response to CajunBlazer (Reply #45)
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 01:32 AM
merrily (45,251 posts)
57. ? The Op says Trump and Melania are responsible, whether or not a speechwriter was involved.
Please see also Reply 59.
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Response to merrily (Original post)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:52 PM
TexasBushwhacker (19,266 posts)
49. Either she plagiarized or she LIED
She told Matt Lauer, and the American public that she wrote it with very little help. Personally I think she was screwed by a pissed off speechwriter, but NO ONE made her say that SHE wrote it.
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Response to TexasBushwhacker (Reply #49)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:54 PM
CajunBlazer (5,648 posts)
51. Nope, it wasn't a speechwriter
See my post above. But you were moving in the right direction until you took a little detour
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Response to CajunBlazer (Reply #51)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 07:01 PM
TexasBushwhacker (19,266 posts)
53. So you think saying that she wrote with very little help
was not a lie? I'm not saying she lied AND plagiarized. She did one or the other.
And now it's out that the first draft, sans Michelle's lines, was wriiten by a speechwriter. But I honestly don't think she's even smart enough to crib from FLOTUS. Maybe one of the older kids isn't fond of their stepmom. |
Response to TexasBushwhacker (Reply #53)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 07:15 PM
CajunBlazer (5,648 posts)
55. Wrong, she lied and plagiarized
It doesn't have to be one or the other. She did not write the speech by herself and she added the plagiarized sections. If the plagiarized section was written by a speechwriter, he are she would have been fired. That would have been would have been the easiest way out for Trump and the campaign - blame the speechwriter and fire him/her. But it didn't happen. Why?
That's and easy one. Melania herself must be responsible. Why not blame the speechwriter anyway? Simple, it would destroy his or her career so a speechwriter is not going to dive under the bus and ruin his/her career to save Donald and Melania some embarrassment. Fire the innocent speechwriter and he/she is talking to the press unless Trump's millions can buy him/her off, and even that is problematic. |
Response to TexasBushwhacker (Reply #49)
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 01:36 AM
merrily (45,251 posts)
59. With a little help. However, my OP says the buck stops with her and Trump, no matter what.
But, as the OP also says, this thread is not about the plagiarism per se.
When I started this thread, there were already 20 to 30 threads going about that. |
Response to merrily (Original post)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 07:06 PM
tirebiter (2,470 posts)
54. The indicaters of doubling down
were that Mel who supposedly wrote the speech said she only read it once and Team Trump said a a team of writers wrote the speech in hopes of confusing and obfuscating. That's how Trump works.
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Response to tirebiter (Reply #54)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 08:27 PM
CajunBlazer (5,648 posts)
56. Oh, BS!
Black helicopters are hovering over the Repug convention
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