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Sun Jul 24, 2016, 04:57 PM

 

A few emails that no one knew existed until yesterday...

Didn't sway 4 million more voters to Hillary. Hillary swayed 4 million more voters to support her. The DNC bent over backwards for Bernie Sanders, allowing a non Democrat to run in their primaries, and giving him access to decades of tools, resources, and voter rolls.

Hillary won fair and square. With the primaries behind us now, and DWS out, it is time to unite behind Hillary. If your not voting for Hillary because she's "not progressive enough" when the alternative is ACTUAL fascism, then your progressivism is really just narcissism. Lets extend an olive branch, unite to defeat the neo-fascist, and then hold Hillary's feet to the fire for our causes. Anything less would be uncivilized.

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Reply A few emails that no one knew existed until yesterday... (Original post)
JaneyVee Jul 2016 OP
hrmjustin Jul 2016 #1
woolldog Jul 2016 #2
NYC Liberal Jul 2016 #7
Expecting Rain Jul 2016 #8
JRLeft Jul 2016 #12
annavictorious Jul 2016 #29
WIProgressive88 Jul 2016 #34
SticksnStones Jul 2016 #38
Jemmons Jul 2016 #39
SticksnStones Jul 2016 #46
glennward Jul 2016 #17
bekkilyn Jul 2016 #24
Dream Girl Jul 2016 #40
bekkilyn Jul 2016 #49
longship Jul 2016 #30
TryLogic Jul 2016 #44
longship Jul 2016 #47
fishwax Jul 2016 #31
PatrickforO Jul 2016 #35
WIProgressive88 Jul 2016 #37
lesroseymour Jul 2016 #3
Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #4
Her Sister Jul 2016 #15
NorthCarolina Jul 2016 #5
JaneyVee Jul 2016 #10
Her Sister Jul 2016 #16
Bradical79 Jul 2016 #19
eastwestdem Jul 2016 #6
Android3.14 Jul 2016 #9
NWCorona Jul 2016 #11
JoePhilly Jul 2016 #13
glennward Jul 2016 #18
hobbit709 Jul 2016 #14
creeksneakers2 Jul 2016 #33
StrictlyRockers Jul 2016 #20
Ford_Prefect Jul 2016 #21
JaneyVee Jul 2016 #22
Ford_Prefect Jul 2016 #25
JaneyVee Jul 2016 #26
Post removed Jul 2016 #27
Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #23
Nancyswidower Jul 2016 #28
MellowDem Jul 2016 #32
Rex Jul 2016 #36
George II Jul 2016 #41
Blue Idaho Jul 2016 #43
TryLogic Jul 2016 #42
angrychair Jul 2016 #45
Cha Jul 2016 #48

Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 04:58 PM

1. Hillary won! People need to unite around the winner now.

 

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 05:00 PM

2. I bet they regret allowing him to run as a Democrat.

 

He used and trashed the party and may have caused lasting division.There needs to be a rule that in order to run for President as a Dem you need to have been a member of the party for years.

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Response to woolldog (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 05:05 PM

7. That's what I've suggested.

There needs to be a rule that in order to run for President as a Dem you need to have been a member of the party for years.

I propose 6 years. You need to have been a registered Democrat for 6 continuous years prior to declaring your candidacy.

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Response to woolldog (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 05:08 PM

8. This Democrat is damn glad Senator Sanders ran as a Democrat...

 

and has kept his word on supporting the eventual Democratic party nominee.

Can you imagine the havoc that a 3rd party run would have made in this pivotal election?

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Response to Expecting Rain (Reply #8)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 05:51 PM

12. +1

 

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Response to Expecting Rain (Reply #8)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:33 PM

29. Will Sanders be running as a Democrat when his senate term is up?

 

If not, Howard Dean would make a great candidate for the Vermont senate seat.

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Response to Expecting Rain (Reply #8)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:49 PM

34. Well said.

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Response to Expecting Rain (Reply #8)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:05 PM

38. Kept his word?

All the interviews he gave today seem the opposite of keeping his word which was to do everything in his power to defeat Donald Trump and see to it that Hillary Clinton is the next president. That's what I heard him pledge. Many times.

That's not at all in keeping with today's action.

He was a willing participant in a republican political play. I'm sure they've been making popcorn all day.

So DWS resigns, the excitement of the Kaine selection gets diluted. The democratic convention begins with a negative story and Senator Sanders gets to badmouth the DNC while proclaiming "see, I was right"

How was any of that keeping his word?

There's a time and a place for cleaning house.



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Response to SticksnStones (Reply #38)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:24 PM

39. The main point is that in fact he was right

Sanders gets to proclaim "see, I was right" only because evidently he was right.

Something that makes DWS resignation a self inflicted wound and not something that you can blame Sanders for.

Shit happens. If you act recklessly more shit happens than strictly necessary.

If voters choose to sit out the election between the two most disliked candidates ever, im sure someone will blame Sanders for that. But it would seem to be more closely related to the attractiveness of the candidates program than to anything that Sanders has ever said or done.

DWS' resignation from her position of power is a good step towards making such a loss of voters less likely. Im sure they can find other ways to do so if and when they feel a need for it. Beating up on Sanders seems real shortsighted when so much is at stake and when the Clinton camp actually holds all the cards.



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Response to Jemmons (Reply #39)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:11 PM

46. Yeah, I don't know that I particularly agree that he was right.

He kept saying he was right.

But to be sure, he has not kept his word. It would be a big deal if Clinton didn't keep her word. Barely a blink when Sanders goes back on his. Why is that, do you suppose?

He found it more vital to publically bash the DNC the night before our convention begins. He added his voice to the republican glee. How does that action help elect a democrat to the White House? It doesn't. It does the opposite of that. He didn't keep his word.

And then there's this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512286221

But this is it. I'm done adding my voice to this fresh outrage. That's just feeding in to what the republicans want to see: a whole lot of in-fighting as the opening number to our convention.

I'm not going to be part of that show for them.

She resigned. Personally, I'm done with the topic.

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Response to woolldog (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:06 PM

17. Don't worry, it will never happen agains. nt

 

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Response to woolldog (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:25 PM

24. Er...

So you would rather Bernie ran as 3rd party in order to split up the Democrat vote and thus hand Trump the election? Not to mention that Bernie wasn't the only primary candidate complaining about the shady behavior of the DNC. Martin O'Malley had quite a few comments of his own. Bernie did the Democrat party a huge favor by running as a Democrat, and it would go a long way in getting the unity that most of us want by acknowledging the positives of both Hillary and Bernie as well as this email situation being a perfect opportunity of ridding the DNC of corruption.

DWS wasn't good for the DNC. First, she had too much conflict of interest concerning Hillary with them being such good friends. Second, she was more helpful to Republicans than Democrats. Then there were the issues of Media suppression of non-Hillary candidates during the primaries as well as suppression of Democrat debate opportunities.

If people are going to stand behind the Democrat party and be PROUD to do so, then the corruption needs to GO rather than people resenting that it was uncovered.

I agree with not letting it ruin the convention and I am looking forward to seeing what I hope will be a very POSITIVE experience, but let's not hang on to the bad out of fear for the good.

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Response to bekkilyn (Reply #24)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:32 PM

40. "Democrat" party? NT

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Response to Dream Girl (Reply #40)

Fri Jul 29, 2016, 07:16 PM

49. Terribly sorry!

The whole 'ic' ending never really crossed my mind until recently when someone on a different site pointed out that I was doing it and why it was bad. I probably switched everything around without even thinking about it. I'm attempting to do better now that I know better!

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Response to woolldog (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:35 PM

30. How does one become a party member?

When ones state does not allow party registration, like Vermont and a vast number of other states, including my state, MI?

It is like the idiots who want only closed primaries. How does one close a primary in Michigan (and many other states) where party registration never happens?

Of course, the only rational response is for open primaries everywhere. Let everybody vote.

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Response to longship (Reply #30)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:01 PM

44. Speaking of primaries... I say require registered dems (in states that register) to vote

in dem primaries, registered repubs vote in repub primaries, and let independents vote in which ever one they choose. Everyone votes at that very important level, and there should be minimal games by repubs messing with dem candidates and vice versa.

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Response to TryLogic (Reply #44)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:36 AM

47. Most states have no party registrations.

They will have open primaries, by necessity. This puts closed primary states at a disadvantage.

All states should have open primaries. That is the only equitable way to have it.

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Response to woolldog (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:37 PM

31. I don't think he brought lasting division

I think he brought energy and people into the discussion, and that many of them will stay in the discussion even now that his campaign is over. And I think that's a good thing for the party (and for our nominee).

We're going to win in the fall and Hillary Clinton is going to be the next president of the United States. And that won't happen in spite of Bernie Sanders; rather, on balance, his efforts in the past year and in the coming months contribute to it.

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Response to woolldog (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:51 PM

35. As I said many times, ideologically Bernie is a New Dealer.

I disagree with your rule change because Bernie said a bunch of things that needed to be said and elevated the discussion to stuff that will genuinely improve American lives. As my little sticker says, Bernie has my heart, but Hillary has my vote.

Don't screw that up by looking down on someone who was and is a New Deal Democrat at heart, as I am.

Bernie ran an honorable campaign, lost and then did what he said he'd do.

Now, let's pull together and win, and not alienate each other by proposing unneeded rule changes.

Clinton is gonna do fine, because we are all behind her. But don't be dogging Bernie.

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Response to woolldog (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:56 PM

37. Nonsense. Nearly all of us who are Democrats and supported Bernie in the primaries are on board

with Hillary now. Most of the Bernie or Busters are not Democrats and wouldn't have voted for Hillary no matter who she defeated. Sen. Sanders did a lot of good for the party in terms of moving it in a more progressive direction and hopefully some of the new voters he brought into the process will stick around.

And if you're concerned about division in the party, well, posts like yours certainly aren't any help...

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 05:00 PM

3. I agree

We need unity, not division, this is the most important election of our time.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 05:01 PM

4. Ahhh a new meme for the day...

 

very nice

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Response to Silver_Witch (Reply #4)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 05:53 PM

15. ???

 

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 05:03 PM

5. Good luck with that meme. -nt-

 

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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #5)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 05:19 PM

10. What meme, that Hillary won?

 

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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #5)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 05:54 PM

16. meme?????

 

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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #5)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:11 PM

19. Noooooo....

 

It's not a meme

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 05:04 PM

6. Very well said. nt

 

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 05:14 PM

9. Following directions

 

S+

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 05:28 PM

11. This makes no sense as it's impossible

"A few emails that no one knew existed until yesterday...

Didn't sway 4 million more voters to Hillary."

Yes Hillary won and I accepted that after Cali but there is nothing fair in politics. That's why this story doesn't really bother me.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 05:53 PM

13. The perpetually disgruntled will remain that way.

Its what they do.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #13)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:08 PM

18. And they do it best... nt

 

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 05:53 PM

14. Which has jack all to do with the fact they tried to rig the game.

But to those that believe the ned justifies the means it's OK.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #14)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:46 PM

33. Nothing in the E-mails shows any effort to influence

the outcome of the election, let alone rig it. Its just discussions between DNC officers among themselves and plans to defend the DNC from Bernie's smears.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:18 PM

20. Donate to Tim Canova

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:22 PM

21. Four legs good, two legs bad. Same old, Same old, Same old....

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Response to Ford_Prefect (Reply #21)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:24 PM

22. Bernie endorsed Hillary.

 

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #22)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:27 PM

25. I'm just saying that while we are defeating Fascism I plan on watching my back as well.

DWS didn't act alone and David Brock is still in town.

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Response to Ford_Prefect (Reply #25)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:29 PM

26. DWS name wasnt on any emails.

 

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:24 PM

23. At this point, leave it to the historians. Whatever was done is not going to be undone.

If punishment is due, there is time for that later.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:32 PM

28. Actually a lot of people knew....".. no one knew existed until yesterday"

 

Larger question is...if it's our party structure....why doesn't everyone know so that this crap doesn't sneak up and bang us in the ass?

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:44 PM

32. I know quite a few people...

who voted for Hillary because they thought she was the safe pick, even though they agreed with Sanders more on policies. If fear is driving quite a few votes for a candidate, then it's not surprising when it's hard to inspire the base. The problem isn't progressives not voting, the problem is with moderates and independents not caring to vote or not being willing to cast it for Hillary.

As for the DNC "bending over backwards", I just have to laugh. We have a shitty, completely undemocraric two party system that ensures people have as little of a choice as possible, and the DNC, as the committee of one of only two parties that are practically viable, is just one of the two benefactors of this corrupt system, and has largely used their position as a tool to preserve power and privilege IMHO, and this primary just reinforced that.

Can you imagine the DNC ever being for abolishing first past the post voting? For implementing proportional representation? Fuck no. And this "only two choice" system is driving extremism and apathy.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:51 PM

36. She has more votes then all the other people that are running combined.

 

The media is our biggest enemy right now. Alt media is doing great, but the mainstream will keep this a horse race by letting Trump do whatever he wants to.

HRC will win despite that, she has the numbers and nobody can take that away from her.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:36 PM

41. And the most damning one of the bunch, the one that everyone keeps dredging up today....

...was from the first week of MAY, after about 45 states had already voted. And the subject matter had never even happened, it was idle speculation.

I can just imagine the reaction to some of the emails I wrote in the course of my job before retiring.

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Response to George II (Reply #41)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:54 PM

43. If you've ever run a reasonably large organization

Then you would know that even the very best of people can sent the stupidest shit to you in an email - especially in the heat of the moment. It happens all the time.

To date I have seen no proof that the DNC acted on the ideas outlined in any emails. I have seen no proof that Sen. Sanders rights were violated, and I have seen no proof that the wrong person won the Primaries.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:51 PM

42. "...unite to defeat the neo-fascist, and then hold Hillary's feet to the fire for our causes."

Sounds like the best strategy.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:13 PM

45. All due respect

It does matter.
Our candidate is Clinton/Kaine. That is not being debated. We will all be voting for Clinton/Kaine, period.

The point is that, during the primary, DNC leadership discussed ways to subvert a Democrat running for president. It is extremely unlikely the emails were an isolated manifestation of those efforts.

The issue has been resolved. No longer beating anybody else up over this.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:38 AM

48. Thank you, Janey!

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