2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders Team Wanted DNC To Pay For Private Plane For Fall ~ (GD 16)
Oops. Sanders staffer leaves an internal memo in a restaurant, which makes its way to the press. Plans for fall campaign include asking DNC to pay for private plane for Bernie to fly around and conduct rallies.
PHILADELPHIA The Bernie Sanders campaign considered demanding a private plane staffed and funded by the Democratic National Committee as part of negotiations with Hillary Clinton heading into this weeks convention, according to a Sanders memo obtained by BuzzFeed News.
The plane was to be used for a series of fall rallies in battleground states, according to the Bernie 2016 memo, which was drafted in the days before Sanders sound defeat in the June 7 California primary, the contest that effectively ended his insurgent bid.
This plane would be paid for by the DNC, it reads.
The document reveals a campaign in its final days, considering whether to fight on with a divisive critique of Clinton, yet attuned to diminished influence inside the party.
Aides believed a tour of the battleground states would help keep Sanders center stage. The memo, titled End Game, also suggests that the Vermont senators campaign for Senate Democrats to help deliver a majority and take credit for it one of several references throughout the four-page document showing the extent to which aides remained aware of opportunities to take credit amid decreasing leverage.
Much more in link: https://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/bernie-sanders-private-plane?utm_term=.tyxDkoRW6#.guZ2VG8Zw
Cha
(304,419 posts)Response to Her Sister (Original post)
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DemonGoddess
(5,012 posts)Her Sister
(6,444 posts)DemonGoddess
(5,012 posts)and what I think of all this is, quite frankly, not postable.
glennward
(989 posts)Not even Wikileaks either.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)If Hills expects Sanders to stump hard for her, it's a reasonable request.
Hillary flew on her private jets for the entire primary campaign.
RonniePudding
(889 posts)Bernie is asking for someone else to pay for it. That being said, it's a perfectly reasonable request. What do people expect him to do, fly commercial? That's not ideal in a campaign where you have to get to a lot of places in a short time.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Hillary, as and the DNC very much want him to do.
RonniePudding
(889 posts)but the poster i was replying to was talking about how hillary took private planes during the primary.
I'm well aware of how it works in the general.
Thanks.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I was not trying to imply you don't know how a general works. Of course you do.
democrattotheend
(12,008 posts)Isn't that pretty standard for campaigns to cover the cost to transport surrogates?
B Calm
(28,762 posts)okasha
(11,573 posts)a necessity with a Secret Service entourage. Nobody wants to sit across the aisle from a guy with a sniper rifle.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)secret service protection.
okasha
(11,573 posts)Still, a small business jet is not unreasonable if his schedule is heavy.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)I don't care about it, but the hypocrisy is stunning. You'd be making a lot of this if it were Hillary.
democrattotheend
(12,008 posts)I am pretty sure the Obama campaign provided a private plane (or covered the cost of using one) for Hillary when she stumped for him in 2008. They would have had to, since she had $15 million in campaign debt already. I don't see the big deal here.
It is probably harder for Bernie to fly commercial right now than it used to be because he is a lot better known.
treestar
(82,383 posts)So it would not be a scandal if Hillary asked for it either. Interesting.
democrattotheend
(12,008 posts)And I don't recall it being a scandal.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)The primaries are over, Hillary has won a decisive victory, it is now time to extend an olive branch to our fellow progressives and unite. I do not want my children, your children, or any child to grow up in Trump's dystopian America.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)The primaries are over and Trump is the target.
glennward
(989 posts)strategery blunder
(4,225 posts)My presidential preference at the end of the primary, in ranked order:
1. Bernie Sanders
2. Martin O'Malley
3. Hillary Clinton
(insert any of about 330 million Americans here)
330,000,004. Donald Trump
Yes I will happily vote for Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump in November
merrily
(45,251 posts)glennward
(989 posts)Does this pass the smell test?
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)with this either. If Bernie is campaigning for Hillary, I say give this to him.
zenabby
(364 posts)However, since the email by DNC was brought up - you don't see anythng wrong with "so that Sen. Sanders can claim credit for victory and energize his movement"? This was more to energize the movement, nothing about it says for making Hillary win.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)forthcoming. The latter could change if he is named to a position in her cabinet.
OhioBlue
(5,126 posts)It was written by his staff. An internal memo for his campaign. Their loyalty had been to Bernie and their fiduciary duty had been to him. They were in transition.
merrily
(45,251 posts)They want to keep him front and center and have him take credit for the victory.
calimary
(83,904 posts)how they were evidently talking about this, kicking these ideas around, and then decided against it.
It was oppositional research they were looking at. And every campaign does it. And you've gotta know the CONS were doing it on BOTH our candidates, just zeroing in on ONE, now.
And I'm one of those who is really strongly suspicious about the reason this all was leaked - NOW - gee, by Russian hackers? Gee, and Putin and Trump have this weird mutual admiration society going? And Paul Manafort worked for a Ukrainian Putin-puppet before coming aboard with The Donald? Hmmmm... There's just a little bit too much of a coincidence working here. The timing is just a little bit too fishy. Sorry. I'm not usually given to conspiracies. But this just smells.
flamingdem
(39,843 posts)to get out and vote!
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)When everyone was screaming that Bernie has a massive ego. His team was working on a memo called "endgame" meaning it's over.
I don't think requesting a private plane is absurd.
SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)as the memo broadly outlines how they would fight for the nomination on the floor.
merrily
(45,251 posts)SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)When the memo was written Sanders was still publicly committed to fighting on to the convention. He changed his tune after CA, yes.
merrily
(45,251 posts)The need to fan the flames again today, long after the fact, seems like some need to keep the primary fights alive for whatever reason.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Where are we now tho?
merrily
(45,251 posts)He 74, lives in Vermont and still has Senate responsibilities in DC. If he is going to be criscrossing the country to campaign for Hillary, as the DNC wishes, he will need staffers with him and should be able to bring family with him, if he wishes. A private plane. I am sure anyone else in his position being asked to do the same thing would get one.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Let a narrative build if you know what I mean.
OhioBlue
(5,126 posts)starts. The Sanders campaign is/was transitioning from the primary to helping in the general. I would guess many candidates that lose in a primary and are expected to stump for the winning candidate and/or other down ticket candidates have written many similar memos. Bernie does have a lot of popularity and for him to continue to campaign for the ticket and down ticket especially with younger voters is an asset for the party, not something to be mocked or used against him or his campaign.
msongs
(69,928 posts)SunSeeker
(53,456 posts)aikoaiko
(34,201 posts)SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)They've been underselling his ability to bring supporters into the fold to get concessions for weeks. I don't see the use of a private plane for a guy that can't corral his movement into supporting the nominee. Waste of resources. Give the plane to Elizabeth Warren.
OhioBlue
(5,126 posts)Most Bernie supporters are supporting HRC. He will be important especially with the young voters who may have never cast a vote before they voted for him and might be inclined to sit out or vote 3rd party. He can bring them to the ticket. There will be many surrogates. It isn't an either/or scenario. On a national level, I see BHO and Bernie as the two most important.
DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)The ones who are supposed to be chanting "lock her up".
merrily
(45,251 posts)of his millions of supporters, Hillary and the DNC seem happy about his support and him to campaign. I'm not sure why anyone thinks a private plane to use when he is campaigning for Hillary is too much to ask.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)It's a great idea IF he can make the case for Hillary's platform and not his own
SunSeeker
(53,456 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Asking for a plane to use when he campaigns for Hillary this fall, as she and the DNC want him to do? Hmmm
bluedye33139
(1,474 posts)"The effort to construct a Sanders majority could require disqualifying a number of delegates."
merrily
(45,251 posts)bluedye33139
(1,474 posts)At first glance, it appears to be an investigation of possibilities rather than a cogent plan. It only shows that right before the California primary, the campaign was evaluating its options.
merrily
(45,251 posts)bluedye33139
(1,474 posts)On the eve of the California primary, the Sanders campaign was toying with the idea of disqualifying Clinton delegates. Likely this is one reason why the campaign beat the drum so loudly alleging fraud in every single ballot count.
As fate would have it, the California defeat was insurmountable.
Traditionally, "And?" indicates an emotional tone. You post a question. And?
merrily
(45,251 posts)and? is a question, yes.
First, we don't even know yet if the campaign even actually prepared this memo, but let's assume a Sanders campaign staffer did prepare it, though
You said the campaign prepared a memo assessing its options. The reason I asked a question is that I am sure campaign staffers in every campaign are constantly preparing memos assessing status and options. I don't attach any significance to that. So, I wanted to understand your point in saying that. I don't understand your comment about emotion, but that's okay. I don't need to.
bluedye33139
(1,474 posts)Myself, I heard all kinds of allegations
One of the oddest is the Puerto Rico allegations, that Hillary Clinton had surreptitiously prevented the Sanders campaign from having access to prisoners. Later it turned out that they were wrong. The allegations of fraud remain, and then the story drifted off into silence, like so many allegations of fraud.
If there isn't certainty about the authorship of the memo, I am certain that the people involved will step forward and joyfully discuss the workings of their office, their campaign, and every discussion they have ever had off the record. In the name of transparency, of course!
merrily
(45,251 posts)not see anyone else pointing that out. However, you have to assume it's real if you are going to discuss it all. I think it's just SOP, though.
As far as the campaign itself beating the drum, Sanders said--and I was not happy about it--that it was "dumb," not fraud. I can't imagine why he would have said that if he had been paying people to claim fraud. I think lots of his supporters claimed fraud and/or unfair dealings, though.
bluedye33139
(1,474 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)That claim is so patently far from true that I am out of this "discussion."
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)t
Hekate
(94,218 posts)...and fly economy class only.
Oh well.
All is forgiven, Bernie, just keep telling all your believers to unite on our side and elect Hillary. Seriously.
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Craig234
(335 posts)Bernie helping Hillary win just as he said.
63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)Craig234
(335 posts)It's just wrong. It makes you like the other side.
But I see nothing wrong in this revelation - it's a good plan for Bernie and Hillary.
63splitwindow
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Craig234
(335 posts)All you can do it seems. Smear Bernie with lies.
The Tea Party has harmed the Republican Party because it has a bad set of policies. Progressives help the Democratic Party because they have good policies.
It's not an "extreme faction". I'd say the corporatist wing of the party that has betrayed the values and bulk of the American people in order to compete on the big money playing field the wrong way with Republicans is the extreme faction.
The Maoists - that's the extreme faction. Not the FDR policy Bernie wing.
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Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)smh
secondwind
(16,903 posts)If he is going to be campaigning for Hillary, he needs to GET AROUND.
Just my own humble opinion.
progressoid
(50,651 posts)The Clinton campaign is going to be flying a lot of people around the country. BFD.
liberal N proud
(60,916 posts)BS is just as guilty as the Party.
LisaM
(28,444 posts)Right......
DemonGoddess
(5,012 posts)opposition.
Having said that, the one thing I do agree with, is that the big name stumpers need to be flown around at the campaign's expense, not the DNC, if that's what's going to happen. After all, it's a campaign expense.