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babylonsister

(171,091 posts)
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 10:19 AM Jul 2016

Debbie Wasserman Schultz just had a disastrous moment at the Democratic National Convention

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/25/debbie-wasserman-schultz-just-had-a-disastrous-moment-at-the-democratic-national-committee/?k88a88a8a


Debbie Wasserman Schultz just had a disastrous moment at the Democratic National Convention
By Chris Cillizza July 25 at 1
0:02 AM

When Debbie Wasserman Schultz agreed to speak at a Florida delegation breakfast on the first day of the Democratic National Convention, it looked like the ultimate home game. The Florida congresswoman is a popular figure in the state, and this week was meant to be a celebratory moment as she watched Hillary Clinton formally claim the Democratic nomination.

Then 20,000 emails from Wasserman Schultz and her top staffers were leaked, painting the congresswoman and her committee as something short of even-handed in their treatment of Clinton and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders during the primaries.

This is what greeted Wasserman Schultz this morning:

Boos. Jeers. Chants of "shame."

REMINDER: This a is a Florida delegation breakfast. These are the people who should be most supportive of Wasserman Schultz!

It's hard to overstate how bad this is for Wasserman Schultz. Cable was carrying the moment live and quickly went to analysis of it. The audio and images are striking. You will see them roughly 1 million times today.

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Debbie Wasserman Schultz just had a disastrous moment at the Democratic National Convention (Original Post) babylonsister Jul 2016 OP
What did she expect? She and her staff violated the DNC's charter. merrily Jul 2016 #1
do you have proof of this? uponit7771 Jul 2016 #4
The charter requires neutrality. They were clearly not neutral. merrily Jul 2016 #12
Where is your proof of them not being neutral? I'm not talking about your opinion ... proof uponit7771 Jul 2016 #15
Asked and answered. See Reply 12, which is not simply my opinion. merrily Jul 2016 #19
Again all claims, not proof... that's your opinion and not fact of an effort by the DNC to sand bag. uponit7771 Jul 2016 #21
News flash. Something is not "just my opinion" because you call it that. merrily Jul 2016 #24
I have your post as proof of my position that you're not offering proof of bias...you have a debate uponit7771 Jul 2016 #25
In fact, Mr. D.A., every single thing I cited would be admissible in court as evidence of bias. merrily Jul 2016 #31
See Wikileaks. It provides the proof. And no, I'm not soliciting your opinion on the matter. I'm DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2016 #27
Some people understand when it's time to exit gracefully. Funtatlaguy Jul 2016 #2
She's hurting the party and needs to fade out of the picture. Scuba Jul 2016 #3
I have no way of assessing any actual damage Blue Idaho Jul 2016 #11
This is NOTHING compared to what will happen if DWS appears at the broader convention. Attorney in Texas Jul 2016 #5
She needs to step aside and excuse herself from all party business bigwillq Jul 2016 #6
Like someone who will be speaking today.... NCTraveler Jul 2016 #7
She needs to get off the stage. This moment is NOT about her. SHe is HURTING the party geek tragedy Jul 2016 #8
The DWS hate looks to be AstroTurffed ... more made up bullshit with false claims of something ... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #9
Roger Stone. L. Coyote Jul 2016 #18
This is a delegation breakfast; 1/3 of the delegates are Sanders supporters brooklynite Jul 2016 #10
It's interesting seeing some of the replies to threads like these... Blue_Adept Jul 2016 #13
The Swiftboat has landed, it is a large cruise ship with too many Dems on board! L. Coyote Jul 2016 #14
a handful of bores booed her bigtree Jul 2016 #16
Did they cut her hair and make her walk naked through the streets of Philadelphia? nt Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2016 #17
No. Instead Hillary gave her a fresh, wet kiss and made DWS "honorary" chair of her campaign. avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #20
Like I said before, DWS will be a DC lobbyist by this time next year. -nt- NorthCarolina Jul 2016 #22
She was a fool to show her face at the convention UCmeNdc Jul 2016 #23
It was a Florida delegation meeting. Darb Jul 2016 #28
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #26
No idea... sarae Jul 2016 #30
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #32
Yes, I saw that. sarae Jul 2016 #34
MSNBC keeps showing it over and over. femmocrat Jul 2016 #29
She needs to go home and stay out of sight RonniePudding Jul 2016 #33
4:00 Karen_J Jul 2016 #35
She shouldn't even be there. TheCowsCameHome Jul 2016 #36

merrily

(45,251 posts)
12. The charter requires neutrality. They were clearly not neutral.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 10:39 AM
Jul 2016

Not from the day Sanders announced, when the DNC tried to get money via an email making it sound as though donating to the DNC was going to help Sanders. Not from the day they announced the debate schedule, etc.

If the resignation of the chair and the apology of the vice chair to Sanders are not proof enough for you, I need to question that.

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
15. Where is your proof of them not being neutral? I'm not talking about your opinion ... proof
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 10:45 AM
Jul 2016

... and a couple of staffers talking shit in emails isn't proof of the DNC being impartial.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
19. Asked and answered. See Reply 12, which is not simply my opinion.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 10:47 AM
Jul 2016

At this point, as stated in your Reply 12, I am questioning your good faith.

Also, you might stop trying to act like prosecuting attorney. No one elected or appointed you; this is not a court; and I am not on trial.

Search DU. Bernie's supporters have been pointing out this stuff on DU for a year and, since the emails, the rest of America is now saying it, too. You want to be the last one in the country to admit the emperor has no clothes, cool for you.

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
21. Again all claims, not proof... that's your opinion and not fact of an effort by the DNC to sand bag.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 10:51 AM
Jul 2016

... Sanders.

This question STILL goes unanswered... you understand the difference between a claim and proof with a claim.

None of what you outlined is proof... the emails intimating money to the DNC will help Sanders is NOT bias against Sanders (how in the hell!?!?) neither is the debate schedule seeing we only had 3 candidates and not 234124 like the GOP did.

Come on people... lets not just make shit up to feed our own confirmations

merrily

(45,251 posts)
24. News flash. Something is not "just my opinion" because you call it that.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 10:58 AM
Jul 2016

No, the email the DNC sent the day Bernie announced is not my opinion. Neither is the debate schedule. Neither is any of the stuff DUers have been pointing out all year. Neither are emails patently showing bias. Neither is DWSs resignation. Neither is Brazile's apology to Sanders.

If you hold an opinion different from most Americans, that's your privilege, but it sure as heck doesn't mean your view is the only valid one.

Besides, the issue is not the trial of merrily, but what DWS should have expected this morning. Even your fellow strong Hillary supporters are saying she should exit gracefully.

And now, since this is clearly your attempt to be a prosecuting attorney without authority and not a good faith discussion, I'm out.

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
25. I have your post as proof of my position that you're not offering proof of bias...you have a debate
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 11:01 AM
Jul 2016

... schedule and an email not intimating at all that Sanders was sandbagged by the DNC.

The "stuff" is jsut that... stuff... not proof at all... not a document or a statement or anything along those lines showing PROOF that the DNC was set out against Sanders.

Stuff isn't proof and neither is a debate schedule

We can have our own opinions but not own facts

merrily

(45,251 posts)
31. In fact, Mr. D.A., every single thing I cited would be admissible in court as evidence of bias.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 11:07 AM
Jul 2016

But again, this is not a court and, even if it were, no one appointed you to cross examine me.

And again, the issue is this morning's breakfast.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
27. See Wikileaks. It provides the proof. And no, I'm not soliciting your opinion on the matter. I'm
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 11:02 AM
Jul 2016

telling you what IS.

Funtatlaguy

(10,886 posts)
2. Some people understand when it's time to exit gracefully.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 10:23 AM
Jul 2016

DWS does not, apparently.
Hillary should intervene. Make the tough call to ur friend, Hillary. No gaveling in!!!!!

Blue Idaho

(5,057 posts)
11. I have no way of assessing any actual damage
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 10:37 AM
Jul 2016

DWS may have really done to the party - but at this point that's all mute. Once the M$M and the republican opposition get their claws into this news story it's time for her to make her exit. This is as much about "the optics" as anything else.

It must be tough on a personal level to pour your guts into a job and be told you can't go to the party - but that's all part of being the boss. The buck stops at your desk regardless.

Personally I don't want to give those ratfucker republicans any fresh ammunition.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
7. Like someone who will be speaking today....
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 10:25 AM
Jul 2016

The timing of an exit can be very difficult. Seems politicians all hang on for a minute too long.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
8. She needs to get off the stage. This moment is NOT about her. SHe is HURTING the party
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 10:26 AM
Jul 2016

and the nominee by digging in her heels.

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
9. The DWS hate looks to be AstroTurffed ... more made up bullshit with false claims of something ...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 10:27 AM
Jul 2016

... inside of made up bullshit and then the bullshitters make more claims based off their made up bullshit.

AstoTurf... possibly Russian

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
18. Roger Stone.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 10:46 AM
Jul 2016

[center]
Some History of Trump Operatives

Deja DU excerpts, many more at link: Bush vs. Gore, the 'Arkansas Project,' the USA firings, and the Swiftboat Admiral

L. Coyote Jun-09-07
44. Donald Trump, Roger Stone, Jack Abramoff, Gaming Gaming and Scalping the Tribes.

How is it that two consumate Republican insiders, both purported specialists in illegal
funding of campaigns, one a political dirty trickster who stays behind the scenes and
the other a felonious convict linked to the White House political office, each manage
to garner tens of millions of dollars from Indian tribes in the gaming rackets? By
working both sides at once, of course. And, how is it that one gets convicted and goes
to jail while the other keeps getting paid? Who is scalping whom for how much, who has
lost their scalp, who still has theirs, and will Donald Trump's hair survive the scandals?

With all the attention to Abramoff defrauding the Tribes, why isn't there more attention on
who else is involved in all of gaming's political machinations and influence peddling?

Who has lucrative contracts to receive a percentage of the gross from Indian casinos, and
how did they obtain it? Where is all that money going? How much ends up in the coffers of
politicos like Sen. John McCain, and why? Who else is scalping the Tribes?

And how much of the scalping goes to legal and illegal campaign contributions?

Questions to be answered.


36. Who is Roger Stone, Jr.? Buckley, Nixon, Reagan, Bush operative.

"Roger J. Stone, Jr. is a long-time Republican dirty-tricks operative who led the mob that shut down the Miami-Dade County recount and helped make George W. Bush president in 2000. He was also a campaign strategist during the presidential campaigns of Presidents Nixon, Reagan and George Herbert Walker Bush. .............


........ Roger Stone and the Jack Abramoff mould. Making $$millions$$ gaming gaming.

A Dirty Trickster's Bush Bonanza
The man who stopped Miami recount makes gaming millions
by Wayne Barrett
April 19th, 2004 9:30 AM
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/...........

Roger Stone, the dirty-tricks hobgoblin of Republican politics, has exploited his Bush connections to become an influence-peddling force in the $13 billion Indian gaming industry. Stone's booming business in such a federally regulated enterprise makes his recent pro bono orchestration of Al Sharpton's double-edged presidential campaign an even stranger covert caper.

The longtime GOP consultant's reward for fomenting the "Brooks Brothers mob" that shut down the Miami-Dade recount in 2000 was an invitation within days of Bush's election to serve on the Department of Interior transition working group—helping, in his own words, to staff its Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA). Stone has since used this unannounced perch to market himself to tribes and developers from Louisiana to California, earning fat fees and contingent percentages of future casino revenue. Just two of the five deals examined by the Voice are projected to pay him at least $8 million, and perhaps as much as $13 million.

Time, The Washington Post and The New York Times have published exposés about Bush's BIA, with a February story highlighting $45 million in payments to two GOP lobbyists from four tribes since 2001. But no one has focused on Stone's profiteering, which, unlike the payments to registered lobbyists, is not reported on any public filings. ..............


40. Roger Stone, Iran-Contra, NCPAC, Blackwell, Buchanan, Rove, Sex & Trump's Money ...

What role did Stone play in financing the Contras? .............

41. Roger Stone - "slash-and-burn Republican black-bag election tamperer"

A Prayer for Reverend Al
Let Him Buy His Soul Back from the Republicans
by Doug Ireland
www.dissidentvoice.org
February 21, 2004 - First Published in LA Weekly
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Feb04/Ireland0221.htm

Who is Roger Stone? A slash-and-burn Republican black-bag election tamperer and consultant whose mentor was the repulsive Roy Cohn — the redbaiting hatchet man for Senator Joe McCarthy. Stone first made news in the Nixon Watergate scandal, when it was revealed that the 19-year-old apprentice McCarthyite had infiltrated George McGovern’s 1972 presidential campaign as part of CREEP’s sabotage plan. ... Stone helped Ollie North raise money for the Nicaraguan contras, and was a close associate of the notorious Lee Atwater ...


This one, my favorite, exemplifes the lengths to which these unscrupulous operatives will go just to malign a Dem candidate. This is not democracy, it is criminal conduct.

48. Swiftboating Al Gore from Argentina, SIDE, Israeli wire transfers, spy files, forgery, Bush & Menem

un-10-07 04:44 PM by L. Coyote
There just is no way to make this stuff up!! This is a court pleading. Unbelievable.

First get some spy files from Israel, alter them to look like Argentine spy files, make them implicate Bush and Menem in corruption, blame Gore for the forged documents. Sound familiar. Did I mention blackmailing bribed journalists and, of course, the perennial covert Republican dirty tricksters. This genre of dirty trick came to be known as "swiftboating" when done to Kerry four years later by the same players!!

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http://pacer.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinion.pdf/041901.P.pdf
Olavar (Triumph Communications International Group, Plaintiffs-Appellants, v.
Santibañes, Defendant-Appellee, and Ikon Holdings, Inc., t/a Ikon Public Affairs, Dick Morris, Roger Stone, Eileen McGann, John Does, Defendants.

Appeal from the United States District Court Decided: December 1, 2005

Triumph Communications International Group, Incorporated is a corporation that provides political consulting and public relations services and is owned and operated solely by Mattie Lolavar.

In early 2000, Miss Lolavar began discussions with defendant Dick Morris about the possibility of her working with Craig Snyder and defendant Roger Stone, who are partners in defendant IKON Holdings, Inc., another political consulting firm ... about the possibility of Triumph Communications’ assistance with work that IKON was doing for the government of Argentina.
These discussions lead to two contracts ... and provided that Triumph would act as a public relations consultant to "the Secretary of Intelligence of Argentina" as well as arrange various media events...

Miss Lolavar went to Argentina in August 2000 to assist de Santibañes with preparations for his testimony in Argentine congressional hearings inquiring into allegations that he and the Argentine intelligence agency, known as SIDE, were responsible for bribing various Argentine senators in exchange for political support. Morris and Stone assigned other tasks to Miss Lolavar while she was in Argentina. Among other acts, they instructed her to contact SIDE and obtain a list of journalists who accepted bribes from that organization in order to harm the credibility of those same journalists in reporting on a bribery scandal surrounding de Santibañes and President de la Rua, as well as requiring her to spread false information to the press concerning de la Rua’s political opponent, Dr. Carlos Menem. The charges and counter-charges related here are from the papers in the court file, as are the other facts.

A request that occasioned controversy between Miss Lolavar and the defendants was Morris and Stone’s request that she serve as an intermediary in an anonymous wire transfer of funds to an official in Israel. These funds were to be paid to secure intelligence files from the Israeli government to assist de la Rua’s political domestic disputes with Menem, and to imply a corrupt relationship between Menem and George W. Bush, who was then running against Albert Gore for the United States presidency. These files were to be altered by Miss Lolavar to appear to be SIDE documents.

When the defendants became concerned that this plot would be discovered and traced back to them, they ordered Miss Lolavar to orchestrate a press response to blame Vice President Gore for the dissemination of the documents, since it was known to them that the Gore campaign had been attempting to connect Menem with the Bush campaign.

Blue_Adept

(6,402 posts)
13. It's interesting seeing some of the replies to threads like these...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 10:42 AM
Jul 2016

A good number of folks that have been quiet or absent since things got finalized in the primary for the most part, suddenly reappear like magic.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
28. It was a Florida delegation meeting.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 11:03 AM
Jul 2016

She is in congress from Florida. And it was a fucking disgraceful display of fucknuttery by the bernies. Or were they Rump trolls?Fucking derrrrrrr.

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Response to sarae (Reply #30)

sarae

(3,284 posts)
34. Yes, I saw that.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 11:16 AM
Jul 2016

Thankfully, they're a very small percentage of the party (though many of them don't seem to realize that). Unfortunately, the media is determined to make them look like they represent a large portion of the party.

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
29. MSNBC keeps showing it over and over.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 11:04 AM
Jul 2016

Their headline is "Dems in Disarray" ---- I think she needs to be out of sight, out of mind now.

What happened to Marcia Fudge gaveling in?

TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
36. She shouldn't even be there.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 11:25 AM
Jul 2016

Sadly, this convention is going to be an ugly mess.

It's not even noon the very first day and and things are going badly.

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