2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary wanted DWS gone last year.
PHILADELPHIA Hillary Clinton and her team arent thrilled that the head of the Democratic National Committee was forced out on the eve of the nominees coronation but they arent exactly distraught to see Debbie Wasserman Schultz booted from the tent.
Several senior Democratic officials with ties to Hillary and Bill Clinton told POLITICO that campaign higher-ups have been trying to replace the oft-off-message Florida congresswoman from the start of Clintons campaign late last year.
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John Podesta, Clintons campaign chairman and a former top adviser to Barack Obama broached the idea of replacing Wasserman Schultz as early as last fall, only to be rebuffed by the presidents team, according to two people with direct knowledge of the conversation.
It came down to the fact that the president didnt want the hassle of getting rid of Debbie, said a former top Obama adviser. Its been a huge problem for the Clintons, but the president just didnt want the headache of Debbie bad-mouthing him. ... It was a huge pain in the ass.
The Obama team especially 2012 campaign manager Jim Messina long viewed Wasserman Schultz as a major campaign liability, questioning her fundraising prowess and her tendency to appoint personal aides to positions of authority, prioritizing loyalty over competence and effectiveness as a spokesperson for Democrats. At the time, senior campaign officials leaked details of an internal survey, conducted by pollster David Binder, showing Wasserman Schultz was the least-liked Obama surrogate; she later dismissed the report as National Enquirer dross.
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BONUS: Still, Obama didnt get involved at all as Wasserman Schultz was at the brink. Whenever the topic of replacing her came up, despite the fact that the president had lost patience with her years ago and generally avoided having to talk to her, hed always felt that forcing her out wasn't worth the trouble it would bring.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/debbie-wasserman-schultz-dnc-226100#ixzz4FR9XzxRG
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There you go.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)runaway hero
(835 posts)Avalux
(35,015 posts)Ok then.....
mylye2222
(2,992 posts)It would not have really harmed him if he was bad-mouthed. Obama wasnt up for reelection
I dont believe it in a second.
HRC feels insecure right ahead of convention, so she tries to find excuses.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Hillary never would have given her the honorary position had she felt that way.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)It can be tough to believe anything that doesn't gently stroke one's bias.
karynnj
(59,989 posts)She got the position in May 2011 -- and it would not have been until the 2012 election that she had demonstrated her abilities. Could it have been that DWS, a HUGE ally with HRC, even then the presumptive 2016 nominee, might have had a very powerful ally -- HRC.
This is just an attempt to blame Obama.
LoverOfLiberty
(1,438 posts)Obama appointed her and only he can fire her.
Looks like this issue is bringing the Clinton haters back out of the shadows.
karynnj
(59,989 posts)1) DWS is given a position in her campaign and is effusively praised.
2) Behind her back, Clinton campaign people are saying she was terrible.
Either position is fine, both are not -- and it is likely not wise to have gratuitous attacks on the more popular President Obama.
LoverOfLiberty
(1,438 posts)Its been clear for sometime that DWS has been a distraction. I suspect she will quietly fade away if we will let her.
karynnj
(59,989 posts)did. It would not give her the power or authority of heading the DNC, but it did show genuine support for her for the work that she has done. I was impressed that HRC would do this in the face of all the attacks, many well deserved, that focused on DWS. It showed loyalty, while not demanding someone stay in her position who had done a poor job and who had become a distraction.
runaway hero
(835 posts)I think this is the Podesta crowd trying to run from someone unpopular.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,217 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)If this isn't just revisionist history, I would be very curious as to why DWS is still on board.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)This seems like an attempt to distance Hillary from the situation and let the President take the heat
mylye2222
(2,992 posts)Its old play.
PatSeg
(49,751 posts)and civil. Or maybe Debbie could cause a lot of problems for the campaign in some way we aren't privy to. It is after all politics, a different world from what most people are used to.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)...than the appearnce of cronyism. I can't say ehich might be more true.
PatSeg
(49,751 posts)I am sure there were a lot of things taken into consideration in the decision. Just imagine the political cartoons alone if Hillary had cut her loose entirely.
From what I've read about Wasserman Schultz, she does not let go easily or exit quietly.
runaway hero
(835 posts)That could damage the party...
That was kind of what I was thinking. She could know a lot of things about a lot of people that she could use if she felt she had been treated unfairly.
more info then the russian hackers thats for sure.
PatSeg
(49,751 posts)A lot more!
karynnj
(59,989 posts)PatSeg
(49,751 posts)that doesn't stop some people. Meanwhile, her political career could already be damaged beyond repair, so she'd have nothing to lose.
runaway hero
(835 posts)then she has the incentive.
Bad Thoughts
(2,609 posts)If what is written is true, she could be a general liability if he became frustrated being only a congressman from Florida.
jalan48
(14,476 posts)runaway hero
(835 posts)Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/debbie-wasserman-schultz-dnc-226100#ixzz4FRDaN4Bw
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PatSeg
(49,751 posts)what I had read in an article from two years ago. Evidently she was a real pain in the neck for a lot of people.
From 2014:
<Meanwhile, the Obama team was so serious about replacing her after 2012 that they found a replacement candidate to back before deciding against it, according to people familiar with those discussions.
Obama and Wasserman Schultz have rarely even talked since 2011. They dont meet about strategy or messaging. They dont talk much on the phone.
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The White House is staring at two years of life under a GOP-controlled House and Senate. The DNC chair, however, isnt involved in the strategy talks with the president. They dont want her there.
For even the occasional Obama briefing by the heads of the Democratic Senate Campaign Committee and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, she is not invited. That includes a key session on July 31, the last day the House was in town before the August recess, when House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), DCCC Chair Steve Israel (D-N.Y.) and DCCC executive director Kelly Ward sat on the couches in the Oval Office running through the political landscape for the president.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/09/democrats-debbie-wasserman-schultz-111077#ixzz4FREs8HLh
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We lost the 2014 midterms because of this.
Why didn't she just go?
PatSeg
(49,751 posts)She's like a dog with a bone and seems incapable of letting go.
runaway hero
(835 posts)No she has to go to K street if she loses her primary.
PatSeg
(49,751 posts)could use an insider lobbyist.
runaway hero
(835 posts)Anything for more money
PatSeg
(49,751 posts)will resign.
runaway hero
(835 posts)And the pay day companies will definitely love a republican more.
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Then why give her a position on the campaign? Must have been rough having one of Hillary's ex campaign co-chairs running the DNC during the primary
runaway hero
(835 posts)Strategic thinking.
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Because people are outraged that DWS was hired by her campaign and see right through the BS.
runaway hero
(835 posts)But if she got nothing...this would become way worse.
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Tell DWS to take a hike. Here's some strategic advice: When someone is forced to resign from their position because they get caught with their finger on the scale in your favor, don't immediately hire them to your campaign. Why? It sends the message that DWS is getting "paid off" for her work during the primary. It feeds into the narrative that Clinton is a corrupt politician who rigged the primary process.
runaway hero
(835 posts)I would just hope she would not blab to the media.
jham123
(278 posts)...by the hiring of DWS as well. If the Article has any merit, why would Hillary hire DWS the very next minute after she resigned?
LoverOfLiberty
(1,438 posts)She wasn't "hired". She was given a volunteer position, probably as a way to ease her out of the DNC.
Why are so many people intent on seeing DWS, and apparently by extension, Hillary Clinton humiliated?
I think I know why but I'll hold off calling it out.
jham123
(278 posts)DWS has messed up this time and she messed up in the midterms. This has nothing to do with trying to humiliate Mrs Clinton yet at the same time asking "why".....Why bring the criticism, this election is crucial. Scrape off the barnacles and beat Trump.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)runaway hero
(835 posts)Debbie is a blabber. That's can be a problem.
liberalmuse
(18,876 posts)A few things in order to get her to step down.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Tatiana
(14,167 posts)She never should have been Kaine's replacement, and after her dismal performance, she should have been sacked. But, Obama traditionally worked outside of the official Democratic party apparatus with OFA. He was never as invested as he should have been in building up the party's national infrastructure.
This allowed a vacuum in which DWS could use the DNC to raise her own stature and shill for her own corporate sponsors like the Payday Loan Industry. Medical marijuana, Iran, an open and free Internet... she's a walking disaster.
Our leaders need to start choosing Democrats who are not running for elective office to head the DNC.
http://thehill.com/policy/technology/204913-dnc-chief-is-backer-of-online-piracy-bill
tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)I thought she should have been replaced when she went for the pay day loan industry. That and she was really bad at her job, which was disappointing since I thought she was going to do a good job.
Tatiana
(14,167 posts)As head of the DNC! It's truly unheard of and a sign of her arrogance and loyalty to herself.
The President was right to stop the payday loan industry from preying upon poor people. It is unconscionable that DWS would advocate against this common sense position.
PatSeg
(49,751 posts)DNC chair should be a full time job. I cannot imagine why she was ever chosen while serving in the House or why she was kept on for so long after the dismal mid-terms.
karynnj
(59,989 posts)I had always thought that DWS replacing Tim Kaine (with a brief interim stint by Donna Brazile) was to prepare to lead the DNC preparing (even that early) for Hillary 2016. She had been a co chair of Hillary's 2008 campaign -- something most people quoted seem to want to ignore.
Podesta, in particular, appears to be a snake in his comments. I wonder why he is saying this after Hillary Clinton's glowing statement on DWS and her appointment to an honorary position in the Clinton campaign ... managed by Podesta. This back biting - against both Obama and DWS is really not a good thing to put out in public. This does not speak well of our party.
I think many of us will greatly miss no drama Obama.
runaway hero
(835 posts)And he has the final say on the campaign, so I believe this. Obama should have pushed her out though.
tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)He's the President! What would have DWS done that would have been so bad? I just don't get it...
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)sure thing.
lillypaddle
(9,605 posts)Third Doctor
(1,574 posts)Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)"That dog won't hunt" is appropriate here.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)by having DWS in some vague position on her campaign staff where she can have her stuff envelopes or something rather than harming the party further.
choie
(4,633 posts)John Podesta catapulting the propaganda - no way did Clinton want DWS gone.