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runaway hero

(835 posts)
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:03 PM Jul 2016

Hillary wanted DWS gone last year.

PHILADELPHIA — Hillary Clinton and her team aren’t thrilled that the head of the Democratic National Committee was forced out on the eve of the nominee’s coronation — but they aren’t exactly distraught to see Debbie Wasserman Schultz booted from the tent.
Several senior Democratic officials with ties to Hillary and Bill Clinton told POLITICO that campaign higher-ups have been trying to replace the oft-off-message Florida congresswoman from the start of Clinton’s campaign late last year.
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John Podesta, Clinton’s campaign chairman — and a former top adviser to Barack Obama — broached the idea of replacing Wasserman Schultz as early as last fall, only to be rebuffed by the president’s team, according to two people with direct knowledge of the conversation.
“It came down to the fact that the president didn’t want the hassle of getting rid of Debbie,” said a former top Obama adviser. “It’s been a huge problem for the Clintons, but the president just didn’t want the headache of Debbie bad-mouthing him. ... It was a huge pain in the ass.”
The Obama team — especially 2012 campaign manager Jim Messina — long viewed Wasserman Schultz as a major campaign liability, questioning her fundraising prowess and her tendency to appoint personal aides to positions of authority, prioritizing loyalty over competence and effectiveness as a spokesperson for Democrats. At the time, senior campaign officials leaked details of an internal survey, conducted by pollster David Binder, showing Wasserman Schultz was the least-liked Obama surrogate; she later dismissed the report as “National Enquirer” dross.


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BONUS: Still, Obama didn’t get involved at all as Wasserman Schultz was at the brink. Whenever the topic of replacing her came up, despite the fact that the president had lost patience with her years ago and generally avoided having to talk to her, he’d always felt that forcing her out wasn't worth the trouble it would bring.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/debbie-wasserman-schultz-dnc-226100#ixzz4FR9XzxRG
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Hillary wanted DWS gone last year. (Original Post) runaway hero Jul 2016 OP
the knives are out nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #1
yup... runaway hero Jul 2016 #2
So we are to believe that Obama wouldn't let DWS go, because he didn't want her criticizing him? Avalux Jul 2016 #3
Plus last year was already one of Presidents last term! mylye2222 Jul 2016 #8
I don't believe this either yeoman6987 Jul 2016 #30
It can be tough to believe anything that doesn't gently stroke one's bias. LanternWaste Jul 2016 #64
Not mentioned in article was she was a co chair of HRC's 2008 campaign karynnj Jul 2016 #31
Come on LoverOfLiberty Jul 2016 #37
But the Clinton people want it both ways karynnj Jul 2016 #47
I personally don't think it is wise to throw her to the lions LoverOfLiberty Jul 2016 #54
I agree and thought that was the position the Clinton team had taken by giving her the position they karynnj Jul 2016 #57
I agree runaway hero Jul 2016 #58
Interesting read. NurseJackie Jul 2016 #4
DU wanted her gone long before that. TheCowsCameHome Jul 2016 #5
Gone as in to work on the Clinton campaign? Orsino Jul 2016 #6
My thoughts exactly. If this is true, why does she have any position in the campaign? Matt_in_STL Jul 2016 #7
Agree here mylye2222 Jul 2016 #9
Maybe Hillary is trying to appear grateful PatSeg Jul 2016 #12
Perhaps the appearance of rancor was judged more harmful... Orsino Jul 2016 #16
That makes sense too PatSeg Jul 2016 #21
I bet she knows a lot of things runaway hero Jul 2016 #22
Yes PatSeg Jul 2016 #29
Yup runaway hero Jul 2016 #38
Most definitely PatSeg Jul 2016 #43
However, if she uses anything that way ... it destroys her future more than anyone else's. nt karynnj Jul 2016 #34
For some strange reason PatSeg Jul 2016 #46
If she loses the primary runaway hero Jul 2016 #56
To allow her to move to something that might still be considered dignified Bad Thoughts Jul 2016 #23
This is entertaining. jalan48 Jul 2016 #10
Some Bonus runaway hero Jul 2016 #11
That is pretty much PatSeg Jul 2016 #17
Brutal runaway hero Jul 2016 #18
I know PatSeg Jul 2016 #25
Obama could have got something for her runaway hero Jul 2016 #26
I'll bet Pay Day Loans PatSeg Jul 2016 #36
Or healthcare company chairman runaway hero Jul 2016 #40
Or maybe Reince Priebus PatSeg Jul 2016 #49
Not bad runaway hero Jul 2016 #53
LOL okay... HerbChestnut Jul 2016 #13
Hillary wants peace. runaway hero Jul 2016 #19
Then I would love to play her in a game of chess HerbChestnut Jul 2016 #24
Of course runaway hero Jul 2016 #27
How could it possibly be worse? HerbChestnut Jul 2016 #41
I agree with you runaway hero Jul 2016 #52
I'm totally confused... jham123 Jul 2016 #33
Repeat after me LoverOfLiberty Jul 2016 #39
No.... jham123 Jul 2016 #45
peace as a strategy, interesting concept. Hiraeth Jul 2016 #48
I think so runaway hero Jul 2016 #59
I'll bet HRC had to promise her liberalmuse Jul 2016 #14
like, maybe ... a job ... Hiraeth Jul 2016 #44
About the only thing I believe in this piece is that part of the problem lies with the Obama team. Tatiana Jul 2016 #15
She has been one for a while... tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #32
What's astonishing is that she took positions completely opposite President Obama's... Tatiana Jul 2016 #60
Oh absolutely PatSeg Jul 2016 #35
Wow, interesting to see who is blaming whom karynnj Jul 2016 #20
Podesta is a nasty guy runaway hero Jul 2016 #51
The trouble? tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #28
yeah, right. Hiraeth Jul 2016 #42
Kick n/t lillypaddle Jul 2016 #50
DWS has become a liability. Third Doctor Jul 2016 #55
I believe the old Clinton favorite -- Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2016 #61
Maybe with Hillary at this point it's a case of keeping your friends close and your enemies closer, kestrel91316 Jul 2016 #62
That is absolute bullshit choie Jul 2016 #63

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
3. So we are to believe that Obama wouldn't let DWS go, because he didn't want her criticizing him?
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:07 PM
Jul 2016

Ok then.....

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
8. Plus last year was already one of Presidents last term!
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:14 PM
Jul 2016

It would not have really harmed him if he was bad-mouthed. Obama wasnt up for reelection
I dont believe it in a second.
HRC feels insecure right ahead of convention, so she tries to find excuses.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
30. I don't believe this either
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:40 PM
Jul 2016

Hillary never would have given her the honorary position had she felt that way.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
64. It can be tough to believe anything that doesn't gently stroke one's bias.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:16 PM
Jul 2016

It can be tough to believe anything that doesn't gently stroke one's bias.

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
31. Not mentioned in article was she was a co chair of HRC's 2008 campaign
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:41 PM
Jul 2016

She got the position in May 2011 -- and it would not have been until the 2012 election that she had demonstrated her abilities. Could it have been that DWS, a HUGE ally with HRC, even then the presumptive 2016 nominee, might have had a very powerful ally -- HRC.

This is just an attempt to blame Obama.

LoverOfLiberty

(1,438 posts)
37. Come on
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:45 PM
Jul 2016

Obama appointed her and only he can fire her.

Looks like this issue is bringing the Clinton haters back out of the shadows.

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
47. But the Clinton people want it both ways
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:51 PM
Jul 2016

1) DWS is given a position in her campaign and is effusively praised.

2) Behind her back, Clinton campaign people are saying she was terrible.

Either position is fine, both are not -- and it is likely not wise to have gratuitous attacks on the more popular President Obama.

LoverOfLiberty

(1,438 posts)
54. I personally don't think it is wise to throw her to the lions
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:02 PM
Jul 2016

Its been clear for sometime that DWS has been a distraction. I suspect she will quietly fade away if we will let her.

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
57. I agree and thought that was the position the Clinton team had taken by giving her the position they
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:11 PM
Jul 2016

did. It would not give her the power or authority of heading the DNC, but it did show genuine support for her for the work that she has done. I was impressed that HRC would do this in the face of all the attacks, many well deserved, that focused on DWS. It showed loyalty, while not demanding someone stay in her position who had done a poor job and who had become a distraction.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
6. Gone as in to work on the Clinton campaign?
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:08 PM
Jul 2016

If this isn't just revisionist history, I would be very curious as to why DWS is still on board.

 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
7. My thoughts exactly. If this is true, why does she have any position in the campaign?
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:11 PM
Jul 2016

This seems like an attempt to distance Hillary from the situation and let the President take the heat

PatSeg

(47,260 posts)
12. Maybe Hillary is trying to appear grateful
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:20 PM
Jul 2016

and civil. Or maybe Debbie could cause a lot of problems for the campaign in some way we aren't privy to. It is after all politics, a different world from what most people are used to.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
16. Perhaps the appearance of rancor was judged more harmful...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:29 PM
Jul 2016

...than the appearnce of cronyism. I can't say ehich might be more true.

PatSeg

(47,260 posts)
21. That makes sense too
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:36 PM
Jul 2016

I am sure there were a lot of things taken into consideration in the decision. Just imagine the political cartoons alone if Hillary had cut her loose entirely.

From what I've read about Wasserman Schultz, she does not let go easily or exit quietly.

PatSeg

(47,260 posts)
29. Yes
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:40 PM
Jul 2016

That was kind of what I was thinking. She could know a lot of things about a lot of people that she could use if she felt she had been treated unfairly.

PatSeg

(47,260 posts)
46. For some strange reason
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:51 PM
Jul 2016

that doesn't stop some people. Meanwhile, her political career could already be damaged beyond repair, so she'd have nothing to lose.

Bad Thoughts

(2,514 posts)
23. To allow her to move to something that might still be considered dignified
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:36 PM
Jul 2016

If what is written is true, she could be a general liability if he became frustrated being only a congressman from Florida.

runaway hero

(835 posts)
11. Some Bonus
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:19 PM
Jul 2016
Still, Obama didn’t get involved at all as Wasserman Schultz was at the brink. Whenever the topic of replacing her came up, despite the fact that the president had lost patience with her years ago and generally avoided having to talk to her, he’d always felt that forcing her out wasn't worth the trouble it would bring.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/debbie-wasserman-schultz-dnc-226100#ixzz4FRDaN4Bw
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PatSeg

(47,260 posts)
17. That is pretty much
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:29 PM
Jul 2016

what I had read in an article from two years ago. Evidently she was a real pain in the neck for a lot of people.

From 2014:

<Meanwhile, the Obama team was so serious about replacing her after 2012 that they found a replacement candidate to back before deciding against it, according to people familiar with those discussions.

Obama and Wasserman Schultz have rarely even talked since 2011. They don’t meet about strategy or messaging. They don’t talk much on the phone.

snip

The White House is staring at two years of life under a GOP-controlled House and Senate. The DNC chair, however, isn’t involved in the strategy talks with the president. They don’t want her there.

For even the occasional Obama briefing by the heads of the Democratic Senate Campaign Committee and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, she is not invited. That includes a key session on July 31, the last day the House was in town before the August recess, when House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), DCCC Chair Steve Israel (D-N.Y.) and DCCC executive director Kelly Ward sat on the couches in the Oval Office running through the political landscape for the president.



Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/09/democrats-debbie-wasserman-schultz-111077#ixzz4FREs8HLh
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HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
13. LOL okay...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:22 PM
Jul 2016

Then why give her a position on the campaign? Must have been rough having one of Hillary's ex campaign co-chairs running the DNC during the primary

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
24. Then I would love to play her in a game of chess
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:37 PM
Jul 2016

Because people are outraged that DWS was hired by her campaign and see right through the BS.

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
41. How could it possibly be worse?
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:48 PM
Jul 2016

Tell DWS to take a hike. Here's some strategic advice: When someone is forced to resign from their position because they get caught with their finger on the scale in your favor, don't immediately hire them to your campaign. Why? It sends the message that DWS is getting "paid off" for her work during the primary. It feeds into the narrative that Clinton is a corrupt politician who rigged the primary process.

jham123

(278 posts)
33. I'm totally confused...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:42 PM
Jul 2016

...by the hiring of DWS as well. If the Article has any merit, why would Hillary hire DWS the very next minute after she resigned?

LoverOfLiberty

(1,438 posts)
39. Repeat after me
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:48 PM
Jul 2016

She wasn't "hired". She was given a volunteer position, probably as a way to ease her out of the DNC.

Why are so many people intent on seeing DWS, and apparently by extension, Hillary Clinton humiliated?

I think I know why but I'll hold off calling it out.

jham123

(278 posts)
45. No....
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:51 PM
Jul 2016

DWS has messed up this time and she messed up in the midterms. This has nothing to do with trying to humiliate Mrs Clinton yet at the same time asking "why".....Why bring the criticism, this election is crucial. Scrape off the barnacles and beat Trump.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
15. About the only thing I believe in this piece is that part of the problem lies with the Obama team.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:28 PM
Jul 2016

She never should have been Kaine's replacement, and after her dismal performance, she should have been sacked. But, Obama traditionally worked outside of the official Democratic party apparatus with OFA. He was never as invested as he should have been in building up the party's national infrastructure.

This allowed a vacuum in which DWS could use the DNC to raise her own stature and shill for her own corporate sponsors like the Payday Loan Industry. Medical marijuana, Iran, an open and free Internet... she's a walking disaster.

Our leaders need to start choosing Democrats who are not running for elective office to head the DNC.

http://thehill.com/policy/technology/204913-dnc-chief-is-backer-of-online-piracy-bill

tallahasseedem

(6,716 posts)
32. She has been one for a while...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:42 PM
Jul 2016

I thought she should have been replaced when she went for the pay day loan industry. That and she was really bad at her job, which was disappointing since I thought she was going to do a good job.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
60. What's astonishing is that she took positions completely opposite President Obama's...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:23 PM
Jul 2016

As head of the DNC! It's truly unheard of and a sign of her arrogance and loyalty to herself.

The President was right to stop the payday loan industry from preying upon poor people. It is unconscionable that DWS would advocate against this common sense position.

PatSeg

(47,260 posts)
35. Oh absolutely
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:44 PM
Jul 2016

DNC chair should be a full time job. I cannot imagine why she was ever chosen while serving in the House or why she was kept on for so long after the dismal mid-terms.

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
20. Wow, interesting to see who is blaming whom
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:35 PM
Jul 2016

I had always thought that DWS replacing Tim Kaine (with a brief interim stint by Donna Brazile) was to prepare to lead the DNC preparing (even that early) for Hillary 2016. She had been a co chair of Hillary's 2008 campaign -- something most people quoted seem to want to ignore.

Podesta, in particular, appears to be a snake in his comments. I wonder why he is saying this after Hillary Clinton's glowing statement on DWS and her appointment to an honorary position in the Clinton campaign ... managed by Podesta. This back biting - against both Obama and DWS is really not a good thing to put out in public. This does not speak well of our party.

I think many of us will greatly miss no drama Obama.

runaway hero

(835 posts)
51. Podesta is a nasty guy
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:58 PM
Jul 2016

And he has the final say on the campaign, so I believe this. Obama should have pushed her out though.

tallahasseedem

(6,716 posts)
28. The trouble?
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:40 PM
Jul 2016

He's the President! What would have DWS done that would have been so bad? I just don't get it...

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
62. Maybe with Hillary at this point it's a case of keeping your friends close and your enemies closer,
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:54 PM
Jul 2016

by having DWS in some vague position on her campaign staff where she can have her stuff envelopes or something rather than harming the party further.

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