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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 06:14 AM Jul 2016

My message to Sanders supporters who still can't bring themselves to endorse HRC:

(note: I'm trying to reach people here...people we need...if you just want to snipe at the people I'm trying to reach, please don't post in this thread. I'm doing this to help our nominee get elected. Please respect our nominee's interests and stay out of this thread if you can't be positive).


Yes...the emails do reveal that the DNC was biased against our candidate;

Yes...we WERE disrespected by the announcement of DWS appointment in the Clinton-Kaine campaign on the same day she resigned from the DNC in disgrace(though it's possible that DWS insisted on that timing just to stick it to HRC for telling her she had to go);

Yes...it was bullshit that the AP declared HRC the nominee the night before California voted(an annoucement that may have cost us a narrow victory there-although HRC probably would have been nominated anyway);

Yes...it was despicable that we and our candidate were falsely accused of not caring about and not wanting the votes of people of color(we could have done a better job there, but we clearly did try to get those votes and make POC a major part of the campaign and the movement);

Yes...it was painful to watch our candidate concede defeat and to have people mocking the justified and deeply-felt grief of our delegates as they watched his presidential campaign come to an end;

All of that is true...all of that is real...a lot of people have good reason to feel raw, sad, and angry;

But in the hours, days, and weeks soon to come, we must move on from that, as revolutionaries of the past moved on from far more painful moments than this.

This election is about what WE believe in...much(not all, but much) of which is incorporated into the 2016 Democratic platform. About the historic changes we have just brought to the very structures of this party, about the space for activism and mobilization we have now created inside the Democratic Party, through the historic efforts of millions of us over the last year, a year in which we support for real change in this country that had not been seen or mobilized on this scale for decades.

But it is about much more than that:

It is about our responsibilities and our duties.

We have a duty, to the candidate we supported, to the movement we created and the country and world we are fighting to save:
to make sure that Donald Trump, the most openly-fascist major party candidate in American history, never gets anywhere near the Oval Office.

We have a duty to stand now, as we have throughout this campaign, with women, working people, LGBTQ people the poor, with people of faiths and cultures new to this country, with those who struggle against all forms of bigotry and those oppressed by it, to protect their hopes, their chances, their dreams-all of which we share-from a man whose entire vision of our future is a vision of fear, of exclusion, of splendor for the few and despair for the many, a many he will seek to keep divided against itself with endless appeals to hatred, tribalism and the restoration of a golden past that never existed.

And we have a responsibility to make sure that the space for activism and political advance we have created is not forever closed by the election of a cynical tyrant who is eager to get the tools of repression and violent retribution into his tiny little hands.

Voting for the Green ticket presidentially is NOT an option this year. There were and are good reasons for a party like the Greens to exist, to raise the issues it raises, and to try and create a new kind of politics. But a presidential campaign, a campaign the Greens cannot win while the Electoral College still exists, does nothing to create a progressive future. They need to focus on winnable local races and on initiative politics, including initiatives for electoral reform.

We have just come to the end of Bernie's presidential campaign...a good end, with a magnificent speech on his part and which many achievements that all of us who took part in it can celebrate. It is natural for grief to be part of a moment like this. And anger. A lot of work was done and dreams were born in the minds of millions.

So grieve and rage for a few days if you must...rage at the next full moon if need be...work through it as quickly as you can...then join us in the work to come...the work of registering 50 million new voters, getting those voters to the polls, electing the first woman president and progressive majorities in the Senate, the House, and every legislature in the land.

We will decide this election.

We will shape the future.

To do that, we must stand now, as we have always stood, with the many and not the few.

We must elect the Clinton-Kaine ticket AND progressive Dems at every level.

It's not just about us...it's about the whole damn world.

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My message to Sanders supporters who still can't bring themselves to endorse HRC: (Original Post) Ken Burch Jul 2016 OP
... NurseJackie Jul 2016 #1
This - absolutely - ONE HUNDRED PERCENT!! BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #2
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Jul 2016 #5
Thank you sarae Jul 2016 #4
And you dont think that you message is a bit too self serving to get any traction at all? Jemmons Jul 2016 #6
Just trying to reach people others haven't reached. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #9
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #16
No - I have real friends who feel this way. My 72 year old uncle as well. Lucky Luciano Jul 2016 #17
Lucky, could you please pm me with whatever it was the "post removed" guy said? Ken Burch Jul 2016 #42
Post 28 below more or less sums it up. Lucky Luciano Jul 2016 #46
Yeah...that deserved to be removed. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #49
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #28
Just in case you missed it in English class padfun Jul 2016 #29
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #31
There will ALWAYS be false accusations padfun Jul 2016 #32
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #33
While ignore works for you Jemmons Jul 2016 #39
LOVE your avatar btw. NT liberalnarb Jul 2016 #40
Great post Ken! B Calm Jul 2016 #7
a Bernie supporter Coolest Ranger Jul 2016 #8
I've been in the party for years. Thanks for the support anyway. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #11
Like I said Coolest Ranger Jul 2016 #13
I'm a third generation Democrat and my guess is I'm older than you. Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #19
If that is true, then why dont you suggest how unity could be served a bit better? Jemmons Jul 2016 #35
Every time I have tried Coolest Ranger Jul 2016 #37
Im not sure I know what you mean by "guys like you" Jemmons Jul 2016 #38
All you've done in this thread is disrespect the people I'm trying to reach. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #48
I was a reluctant Hillary supporter, but after hearing Michelle's speech, I'm all in.... markj757 Jul 2016 #10
Thank you, Ken... JSup Jul 2016 #12
That has to be one of the most realistic assessments I have heard DFW Jul 2016 #14
She's got my vote, only because the alternatives are apocalyptic in nature. VulgarPoet Jul 2016 #15
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #30
I don't think Trump is the problem... chwaliszewski Jul 2016 #18
Trump is a snake oil salesman. Adrahil Jul 2016 #21
I don't agree with everything you wrote there.... Adrahil Jul 2016 #20
Sorry for all the people who think this is a sporting event.... HeartoftheMidwest Jul 2016 #22
And this...... HeartoftheMidwest Jul 2016 #23
Thank you. N/t Helga Scow Stern Jul 2016 #55
Life or Death! SCVDem Jul 2016 #24
The vote may happen, the campaigning never will. Barack_America Jul 2016 #25
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #26
Trying to avoid the cliche. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #44
Very nicely put we can do it Jul 2016 #27
I will vote for Hillary. KentuckyWoman Jul 2016 #34
Obligatory list of false grievances: check BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #36
Obligatory "we don't need them so fuck them". Check Arazi Jul 2016 #41
I didn't refight the primary and none of those grievances were false. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #43
No one is saying "get over it, losers." Please debate honestly, maybe? nt BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #45
That's the tone if not the words. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #47
I guess those people still attacking Bernie supporters must actually be John Poet Jul 2016 #50
Would NOT surprise me. n/t. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #52
You wrote a post that was half attacks on HRC and her supporters and then wrote this. WOW. BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #54
It wasn't attacks. It was just about saying "you have reasons to feel the way you feel... Ken Burch Jul 2016 #57
Well done, Ken. Great post. Reccomending! emulatorloo Jul 2016 #51
Gladly recommended. An excellent post. eom guillaumeb Jul 2016 #53
Marvelous post, Ken. Thank you. nt glennward Jul 2016 #56

BlueMTexpat

(15,422 posts)
2. This - absolutely - ONE HUNDRED PERCENT!!
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 06:47 AM
Jul 2016
We must elect the Clinton-Kaine ticket AND progressive Dems at every level.

It's not just about us...it's about the whole damn world.


Speaking as one who sees most US politics from the perspective of the "whole damn world" because I have spent the major part of my adult life outside the US, I cannot endorse this sentiment heartily enough.

Thank you! And bon courage!

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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
9. Just trying to reach people others haven't reached.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 07:32 AM
Jul 2016

To reach them, it is necessary to respect the validity of their feelings. You have to do that to get them to move past the point they're at now.

Not meant to be self-serving at all.

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Lucky Luciano

(11,315 posts)
17. No - I have real friends who feel this way. My 72 year old uncle as well.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 08:28 AM
Jul 2016

My uncle's biggest issue is being anti-war - specifically called it more important than the Supreme Court. Views Hillary as a staunch hawk and my uncle rants hard on FB whenever Obama drones sone innocent civilians to death. Of course, this was before the nomination and he us in n the safe state of Washington. In the past he always voted for some third party lefty.

Lucky Luciano

(11,315 posts)
46. Post 28 below more or less sums it up.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 04:14 PM
Jul 2016

The Bernie or bust people must be paid Russian trolls shilling for drumpf.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
49. Yeah...that deserved to be removed.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 04:24 PM
Jul 2016

Ironically, it may have been an ACTUAL Russian troll shilling for drumpf who posted it.

One of the biggest things they will be doing is trying to drive enthusiasm and turnout down, while driving alienation up..

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padfun

(1,811 posts)
29. Just in case you missed it in English class
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:30 AM
Jul 2016

There is a yuuuge difference between "a lot" and "anyone"

And it has already been out there that there are teams of Russian trolls working the forums. Did you actually believe that there isn't any? In fact, they have been working forums for a decade now.

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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
11. I've been in the party for years. Thanks for the support anyway.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 07:34 AM
Jul 2016

MOST of us get it. The rest will, if given the chance and not badgered.

Coolest Ranger

(2,034 posts)
13. Like I said
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 07:37 AM
Jul 2016

I welcome you and the sensible ones the ones who like to disrespect folks like me who been with her before the first vote was cast I don't have any love for. I will leave it to people like you to deal with them.

Coolest Ranger

(2,034 posts)
37. Every time I have tried
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:16 PM
Jul 2016

I'm told that my opinion doesn't mean squat. I'm called Establishment and I'm disrespected, so thanks but I will leave that up to guys like you to handle that

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
48. All you've done in this thread is disrespect the people I'm trying to reach.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 04:21 PM
Jul 2016

I asked people who couldn't check their negativity at the door not to post in this thread. Can you please respect that request?

 

markj757

(194 posts)
10. I was a reluctant Hillary supporter, but after hearing Michelle's speech, I'm all in....
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 07:33 AM
Jul 2016

that was one of the most powerful speeches I've ever heard in my life.

JSup

(740 posts)
12. Thank you, Ken...
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 07:35 AM
Jul 2016

...as somebody who twitches every time someone on 'my side' (when there shouldn't even be a 'my side' anymore) uses lines like "not far enough" "not fast enough" "Bernie supporters" (they're not Bernie supporters, they're Jillenstein supporters) I thank you for brushing it aside as best you can.

People that aren't marching with Jillenstein don't deserve to be ostracized and ridiculed just because we were mean to each other a couple of months ago.

Hell, ridiculing and ostracizing even those that are marching with her doesn't help anything.

DFW

(55,358 posts)
14. That has to be one of the most realistic assessments I have heard
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 07:46 AM
Jul 2016

It's never easy to come to grips with such a situation. Now you know how some of us felt in 1968 when we heard the news that Bobby Kennedy had been killed. It was even worse for those of us who had known him. As a 16 year old, I only knew him slightly, but my father worked with him intensely, and knew him well. I still have that picture of Bobby, made out to my dad in Bobby's own hand, saying "with high regard."

"Things that never were," as Bobby himself said.

To that, all us added......"yet."

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
15. She's got my vote, only because the alternatives are apocalyptic in nature.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 07:51 AM
Jul 2016

She has none of my support beyond that, and if the DNC calls me looking for money, there will be a diatribe to convince them to never darken my phone's interface again. Never thought I'd have to live through having to pick between effectively technologically illiterate people, and yet, here we are.

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chwaliszewski

(1,515 posts)
18. I don't think Trump is the problem...
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 08:34 AM
Jul 2016

it's the masses of people who are attracted to his message of hate. These are the same people that thought Sarah Palin would've been a good president. It truly has become us vs them in this country.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
21. Trump is a snake oil salesman.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 08:46 AM
Jul 2016

Like any good con man, and as his ghost writer wrote in "Art of the Deal," he has learned to tell whatever lie will make the sale. He has determined that hate sells, and that the rubes he is targeting will believe anything, so long as it is what they want to hear.

The man is soulless, with no principals at all, except feeding his ego and filling his pocketbook.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
20. I don't agree with everything you wrote there....
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 08:42 AM
Jul 2016

... but I appreciate your efforts never-the-less. Thanks!

HeartoftheMidwest

(309 posts)
22. Sorry for all the people who think this is a sporting event....
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 08:49 AM
Jul 2016

...or a horse race or contest or a cult of personality.

It's the ISSUES, stupid. ( Apologies to Carville and Begala? )

Addressing issues in a non-binding platform is only minimal progress, not a guarantee. And too many people are suffering mightily.
I've taken the temperature among friends and associates here in south-central Wisconsin, and only my wealthier friends are satisfied with the outcome of this convention. I think the party establishment is going to be very unhappy this November. People are going to call their bluff on the Donald. It will be a struggle.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
24. Life or Death!
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:02 AM
Jul 2016

I have had my fill of trying to explain what third party candidates do to the democratic candidate. Hell, they recite back through the years to me.

YET, they are so friggin BUTT HURT they will vote green.

At 61, Bush already screwed my retirement. House, career and wife, all gone. I have maybe 20 years left.

Think of the children and their future. Listen again to Bill Clinton's speech.

Bernie was the easy, idealistic road to a better future.

Now they have to fight for a Democratic House and Senate to see the change they desire.

Vote Trump or 3rd party and your future will look like mine.

I choose a Soylent Green type check out. The rest can live with your decisions.

I have lost any admiration for these hard core Bernie supporters. Just shut up and leave.

The whining is an embarrassment!

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
25. The vote may happen, the campaigning never will.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:12 AM
Jul 2016

And, fortunately, I don't think anybody is waiting for my "endorsement" of anyone.

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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
44. Trying to avoid the cliche.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 03:45 PM
Jul 2016

And no, it's not a "whip" message. It's an appeal to people who have every right to feel badly done by to move past that for the greater good.

KentuckyWoman

(6,752 posts)
34. I will vote for Hillary.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:44 AM
Jul 2016

I was never an evangelical Bernie supporter. I settled on him later in the game because I felt his ideals best matched the needs of my family. It was never about Bernie or Hillary. It's always been about what I think will best benefit the little guy - in the US and around the world.

Hillary is far better than Trump as the face to put up to the world on what we American's stand for. She'll get my vote only for that reason.




 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
36. Obligatory list of false grievances: check
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:15 PM
Jul 2016

You almost spend more time refighting the primary than the supposed stated goal of this thread. If that's what it takes to convince the holdouts, no thank you.

Arazi

(6,864 posts)
41. Obligatory "we don't need them so fuck them". Check
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 02:16 PM
Jul 2016

I'm only surprised yours is the first one. That sentiment is firmly entrenched here and trotted out thousands of times per day. Obviously believed to be a winning strategy

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
43. I didn't refight the primary and none of those grievances were false.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 03:43 PM
Jul 2016

HRC won. Most likely she'd have won if NONE of those things had been done.

I support her in the fall.

But there needs to be an admission that unnecessarily ugly and harsh methods were sometimes used.

It's not reasonable to just say "get over it, losers". That's the way Trump does things. It doesn't work when WE do it.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
47. That's the tone if not the words.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 04:17 PM
Jul 2016

Sanders people are STILL being badgered by HRC supporters, still being attacked, still being treated as if the primaries AREN'T over.

It needs to stop.

It's not like the remaining Sanders people on DU have done anything but pledge loyalty and speak positively of the nominee.

Save the hostility for the right, folks. THEY are the enemy.

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
50. I guess those people still attacking Bernie supporters must actually be
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 04:29 PM
Jul 2016

GOP trolls sent here to try to keep us from uniting the party!



That makes more sense now, than when the charge was made by those who were previously making it.....

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
54. You wrote a post that was half attacks on HRC and her supporters and then wrote this. WOW.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 05:04 PM
Jul 2016

That takes some chutzpah!

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
57. It wasn't attacks. It was just about saying "you have reasons to feel the way you feel...
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 08:16 PM
Jul 2016

...and for the greater good, you need to get past those reasons".

To do that, I have to acknowledge validity of the feelings these folks have.

Doing that is simply human respect.

And I didn't blame HRC herself for anything in that OP, if you read carefully.

My comments were about the media and the process...not one candidate and one campaign.

It's not as though threads that just say "grow up-you're making a big deal over nothing" could ever work to win people over.

They never have in the paste, in ANY election.

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