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A protest vote for Jill Stein (Original Post) Scuba Jul 2016 OP
The stakes really are that large, thanks still_one Jul 2016 #1
Trump is a fascists: that is not a bad ideology: It could end up with dead American's. lewebley3 Jul 2016 #29
That sure does focus on what Trump is. Thanks still_one Jul 2016 #32
I agree WHEN CRABS ROAR Jul 2016 #56
Agreed. SticksnStones Jul 2016 #2
Spot on Pacifist Patriot Jul 2016 #3
Last two lines... Cracklin Charlie Jul 2016 #4
Do people who vote Green really want their state to go Green? RAFisher Jul 2016 #5
Greens will not get 1 electoral vote bucolic_frolic Jul 2016 #63
I would love my state to go Green demwing Jul 2016 #113
Why doesnt Jill run for senate? JaneyVee Jul 2016 #6
INORITE? MynameisBlarney Jul 2016 #10
She's not about doing anything Renew Deal Jul 2016 #41
Stein and the Greens are about maintaining their status quo Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #91
She would be better off running for school board or some other local state election bekkilyn Jul 2016 #12
Maybe because if she won it would be too much like work. Running for an office.... George II Jul 2016 #17
Like the Big Dog said " its easy to give speeches"..doing the work is hard. misterhighwasted Jul 2016 #31
To unseat Warren or Markey? merrily Jul 2016 #28
Kennedy will step into Warren's Senate seat if she leaves it . misterhighwasted Jul 2016 #34
I meant she could not defeat either Warren or Markey. merrily Jul 2016 #37
Yes I was agreeing . Not arguing. MA would run Stein outta town misterhighwasted Jul 2016 #40
The only race she's ever won has been to her town council... Johnyawl Jul 2016 #39
she is not qualified to run as the dirt in my big toe joshcryer Jul 2016 #49
Because the people of Mass know she's a moonbat ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2016 #75
Dayum! Wish I could K&R more than once! MynameisBlarney Jul 2016 #7
TOTALLY. calimary Jul 2016 #25
recommend, logical statement! FreeStateDemocrat Jul 2016 #8
Good post, but more applicable to potential swing states than solid blues... thesquanderer Jul 2016 #9
Good to keep the solid blue states solid blue. In a red state, perhaps it's different. Scuba Jul 2016 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author merrily Jul 2016 #30
Look at the Maryland governorship. Il_Coniglietto Jul 2016 #46
I must have written that in my sleep. Stellar Jul 2016 #13
LOL..I hear ya misterhighwasted Jul 2016 #36
Trump is a national emergency! workinclasszero Jul 2016 #14
Agreed; but, at this point, you're preaching to the choir! LongTomH Jul 2016 #15
Feel free to share it widely! Scuba Jul 2016 #22
Perfect TNNurse Jul 2016 #16
+1 n/t southern_belle Jul 2016 #19
+ 1 more. calimary Jul 2016 #26
This is my thought. We do not deserve to live out the consequence of their stupidity. They're onecaliberal Jul 2016 #33
Exactly! southern_belle Jul 2016 #18
Great post! colorado_ufo Jul 2016 #20
k&r auntpurl Jul 2016 #21
I learned much about Hillary's activism this week. vlyons Jul 2016 #23
Bloomberg noted that very thing last night. "Sane Competent Leader." calimary Jul 2016 #43
If Clinton cannot gain the edge over Trump, a vote for her won;t do those things either. Android3.14 Jul 2016 #24
She already has something big leftofcool Jul 2016 #81
I really lack the interest in having this stupid fight with you Android3.14 Jul 2016 #88
Clinton is doing fine...early days. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #92
"if you don't like her she won't inspire" Android3.14 Jul 2016 #105
Sorry, I don't buy that. No matter what a person I disliked did... Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #110
That is unquestionably true in Ohio and Florida any any other states that serve as battlegrounds. Attorney in Texas Jul 2016 #27
My state Indiana will overwhelmingly vote for Trump. B Calm Jul 2016 #58
My state, too. Attorney in Texas Jul 2016 #59
If you are not planning to support the Democratic candidate why are you here? Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #94
Same with Oklahoma Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #77
If you only vote that way if it's "safe" skepticscott Jul 2016 #83
You never know Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #95
It is true in all states Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #93
NO SHIT! Trump/Pence is UNTHINKABLE. NEITHER is qualified in any shape, form or fashion... Raster Jul 2016 #35
All good points. Thanks. Hekate Jul 2016 #38
Well true but... NNadir Jul 2016 #42
A vote for Nader was a vote for the chimp!.............. n-t Ernesto Jul 2016 #44
In the lifeboat, we could have her ear while she rows. Orsino Jul 2016 #45
More reasons from Slate as to why Stein is a piss-poor candidate. . . DinahMoeHum Jul 2016 #47
I'm about to vote for Jill Stein in my bathroom. MarianJack Jul 2016 #48
It's just stupid Bradical79 Jul 2016 #50
Indeed wysi Jul 2016 #52
I'm all about getting Hillary elected, but don't throw Stein's ideas under the bus. YOHABLO Jul 2016 #51
Love the platform, but no progressive in any battleground state should support the candidate Attorney in Texas Jul 2016 #53
Stein HAS no ideas. forjusticethunders Jul 2016 #67
I throw Stein and anything that comes from her lips under the bus and Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #96
All this is zentrum Jul 2016 #54
The "lesser evil" is simply the better candidate. hay rick Jul 2016 #60
Not at all true. zentrum Jul 2016 #64
We disagree. hay rick Jul 2016 #70
Many people were not thrilled with either Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #97
They don't say "why can't we have better candidates" zentrum Jul 2016 #108
I always wonder at people who think a president can do everything on his own. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #109
The lifeboat comparison is first-rate. Paladin Jul 2016 #55
I just got an email from my Dems and Progressives group AllyCat Jul 2016 #57
There will be no progressive movement if Trump gets in and packs the courts. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #98
Jill Stein is not qualified to run for mayor of her small town of 34K CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #61
I marched and put my life on the line Lifelong Protester Jul 2016 #62
I'm okay with protest votes when it doesn't matter. mwooldri Jul 2016 #65
I disasgree Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #99
I am seeing a lot of hatred for Hillary shireen Jul 2016 #66
Yes Trump is an national Emergency jimlup Jul 2016 #68
Exactly! nt LostOne4Ever Jul 2016 #69
Jill Stein bocaharv Jul 2016 #71
K&R mountain grammy Jul 2016 #72
Remember what GREEN stands for Wolf Frankula Jul 2016 #73
Pot? demwing Jul 2016 #112
I will never vote for an anti science candidate. Lunabell Jul 2016 #74
I am in Florida DonCoquixote Jul 2016 #76
I would say even those that live in other states need to vote Demcratic Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #104
I hear that DonCoquixote Jul 2016 #111
Jill stein can't get there, from here... dubyadiprecession Jul 2016 #78
Not that I really want an answer, but lonestarnot Jul 2016 #79
The latest person that the Green Party has propped up skepticscott Jul 2016 #84
The Green Party presidential candidate Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #101
protest vote for stein is a vote FOR trump....any way you look at it.... beachbum bob Jul 2016 #80
The stakes are too high and have you honestly taken a close look at the candidate... JCMach1 Jul 2016 #82
Excellent tweet, thank you Scuba 2banon Jul 2016 #85
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #86
Let's put all ideology aside. The choice this November is very simple: sane vs. nuts. Vinca Jul 2016 #87
...but if the boat SINKS everyone will want to pick a better Captain next time... brooklynite Jul 2016 #89
If they are still allowed to choose maybe. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #103
Good post Scuba. Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #90
The funny thing about Jill Stein is she is not sincere. Stein is not about real change. UCmeNdc Jul 2016 #100
ego over country....and screw america...thats what a vote for stein....ebds up doing beachbum bob Jul 2016 #102
Isn't the Green Party having its convention soon? thucythucy Jul 2016 #106
One word: POWERFUL! BlueCaliDem Jul 2016 #107
 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
29. Trump is a fascists: that is not a bad ideology: It could end up with dead American's.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:06 PM
Jul 2016

Last edited Thu Jul 28, 2016, 04:12 PM - Edit history (1)

Trump is in favor of torture: maybe he won't just torture
terrorist: Maybe he thinks American's need to be tortured
that don't agree with him.

Trump cannot eliminate problems but he could eliminate people!


He talks as if congress will be his employees!

To Arms my fellow American's we need to defeat Trumps new/ old
fascism here at home.

Hillary and others should ask Mit Romey and other GOP people that are still
loyal to this country to help defeat the Trumps fascism threat.

WHEN CRABS ROAR

(3,813 posts)
56. I agree
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:02 PM
Jul 2016

Never have I seen so many in the USA in favor of Fascism, it's time to defeat Trump.

And yes, we need a revolution, a peaceful one of course

SticksnStones

(2,108 posts)
2. Agreed.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:21 AM
Jul 2016

The house is on fire, we can discuss ripping up the floor boards after we put out the flames...



Metaphorically, of course

RAFisher

(466 posts)
5. Do people who vote Green really want their state to go Green?
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:49 AM
Jul 2016

Congress picks POTUS if no one can get 270 electoral votes.

bucolic_frolic

(46,512 posts)
63. Greens will not get 1 electoral vote
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:23 PM
Jul 2016

they can sway the overall vote, but not win anything

they are irrelevant

Maru Kitteh

(28,928 posts)
91. Stein and the Greens are about maintaining their status quo
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 10:42 PM
Jul 2016

The Green party does nothing that could make them a viable national party. They work hard only to fleece children, cranks and malcontents of enough money to keep their quadrennial show-pony and staff of wanna-be spoilers afloat.

They work for Putin this year.



bekkilyn

(454 posts)
12. She would be better off running for school board or some other local state election
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:12 AM
Jul 2016

At least if she wants people to start taking the party seriously rather than just throwing up an irrelevant presidential candidate every four years so that people who have no clue what her platform even is can use it as a throwaway protest vote.

George II

(67,782 posts)
17. Maybe because if she won it would be too much like work. Running for an office....
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:35 AM
Jul 2016

....that she has no possibility of ever being elected to is safer. She can disrupt without having to worry about the inconvenience of actually following up.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
31. Like the Big Dog said " its easy to give speeches"..doing the work is hard.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:06 PM
Jul 2016


Stein, like Nina, loves the speech part.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
34. Kennedy will step into Warren's Senate seat if she leaves it .
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:11 PM
Jul 2016

Already been confirmed. Rep Joe Kennedy was asked by Warren & he accepted.
Should Pres Hillary appoint Warren to the Fed, where her passion lies, Kennedy will run for her seat and he will win.

Stein's not usurping either of those MA Dems.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
40. Yes I was agreeing . Not arguing. MA would run Stein outta town
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:18 PM
Jul 2016

Warren & Markey are anchored to MA.
Complete agreement merrily

Johnyawl

(3,209 posts)
39. The only race she's ever won has been to her town council...
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:15 PM
Jul 2016
Massachusetts gubernatorial candidate, 2002

finished third in a field of five candidates, with 76,530 votes and about 3.5% of the vote.


Massachusetts House of Representatives candidate, 2004

ran for state representative in 2004 for the 9th Middlesex District, She received 21.3 percent of the vote in a three-way race, but lost to the incumbent Thomas Stanley, who received 59.6 percent.

Massachusetts Secretary of the Commonwealth candidate, 2006

In a two-way race with the Democrat Bill Galvin, a three-term incumbent, Stein received 18% of the total vote.

Town of Lexington Town Meeting Representative, 2005 and 2008

She finished first of 16 candidates running for seven seats, receiving 539 votes, for 20.6% of the total vote. [80] Stein was re-elected in 2008, finishing second of 13 vying for eight seats.

Massachusetts gubernatorial candidate, 2010

Stein received 32,816 votes out of 2,287,407 in the November 2, 2010 general election. (approx. 1%)

Having failed to capture any statewide office, of course Jill Stein assumed she was ready for a nationwide campaign

calimary

(83,904 posts)
25. TOTALLY.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:01 PM
Jul 2016

Absolutely.

Completely.

Exactly.

Precisely.

Definitely.

Emphatically.

A wasted vote for CERTAIN. And that only helps one person: Donald Trump. Is that REALLY worth it, America?

thesquanderer

(12,286 posts)
9. Good post, but more applicable to potential swing states than solid blues...
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:08 AM
Jul 2016

...where such a protest vote would not have those consequences.

Response to thesquanderer (Reply #9)

Il_Coniglietto

(373 posts)
46. Look at the Maryland governorship.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:47 PM
Jul 2016

The assumption was that the Democrat, Anthony Brown, would easily win. Yet turnout was low among Democrats and the Republicans won.

No state is truly "safe" unless people vote to keep it that way. Enough protest votes and Trump wins.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
15. Agreed; but, at this point, you're preaching to the choir!
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:28 AM
Jul 2016

I think anyone remaining on Democratic Underground has probably. already decided to support the Democratic candidate, no matter who they may be.

TNNurse

(7,085 posts)
16. Perfect
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:32 AM
Jul 2016

I fear someone's "conscience vote" will doom us all. Please people deal with reality. He cannot become President.

onecaliberal

(35,476 posts)
33. This is my thought. We do not deserve to live out the consequence of their stupidity. They're
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:10 PM
Jul 2016

Acting like petulant children because they didn't get their way. This is the most consequential election in my lifetime. It's time for maturity.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
23. I learned much about Hillary's activism this week.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:47 AM
Jul 2016

I feel much much better about voting for her. She will be a very competent Prez, and I think capable of listening to the progressive wing of the party.

calimary

(83,904 posts)
43. Bloomberg noted that very thing last night. "Sane Competent Leader."
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:31 PM
Jul 2016

The word "sane" keeps coming up. I've even seen it in posts written by people who are just starting to be willing to vote for her. The one good thing they tend to come up with, immediately, was that "at least she's sane."

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
24. If Clinton cannot gain the edge over Trump, a vote for her won;t do those things either.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:56 AM
Jul 2016

I'm casting my vote for Clinton as the strategic choice at this point, but if she cannot begin inspiring people with more than fear of Trump, then a vote for Clinton is as useless as a vote for Stein.

She needs something big on which to hang her hat.

Demsrule86

(70,842 posts)
92. Clinton is doing fine...early days.
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 06:58 AM
Jul 2016

And voting for her does give her the edge. As for inspiring...She is not a messiah but a presidential candidate...she has said what she wants to do which is close to what Bernie wanted...what else can she do? And a vote for a Democrat is not useless...consider that Bernie was inspiring..no doubt. But voters chose the candidate who wants to get stuff done.Many , many people showed up at Bernie's rallies, but more voters showed up for Hillary. Also, I like Hilarry, and I am inspired by her...if you don't like her she won't inspire you no matter what she does. And voting in order to save your country from an orange madman is acceptable and the responsibility of all sane people (mostly Democrats).

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
105. "if you don't like her she won't inspire"
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 08:22 AM
Jul 2016

I disagree. I've had to follow people I disliked, and a leader can still inspire people to great things, regardless of the opinion of the persons he or she leads.

Demsrule86

(70,842 posts)
110. Sorry, I don't buy that. No matter what a person I disliked did...
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 12:35 PM
Jul 2016

I was never inspired nor would I ever be...I still did what was best...but they could not inspire me.

Demsrule86

(70,842 posts)
94. If you are not planning to support the Democratic candidate why are you here?
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 07:04 AM
Jul 2016

I don't care where you live; the popular vote is important too. What if Virginians had felt as you do...they would still be a red state. I lived in Georgia and voted in every election for a Democrat...wrote one in if there was no one running as a Democrat.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
77. Same with Oklahoma
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 06:12 AM
Jul 2016

Some states the protest vote can be a safe vote of concience. This election is to important if you are in a state that is even close.

Demsrule86

(70,842 posts)
93. It is true in all states
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 07:01 AM
Jul 2016

We don't know how this election will go...as it is unlike any election ever. Trump was two points ahead of Hillary in Georgia recently. Everyone needs to vote Democratic...all Democrats. We need to get the popular vote up in order to give her strength. Support Democrats.

Raster

(20,999 posts)
35. NO SHIT! Trump/Pence is UNTHINKABLE. NEITHER is qualified in any shape, form or fashion...
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:11 PM
Jul 2016

...to be POTUS and VPOTUS and their election to the two highest offices in the land would be AN UNMITIGATED DISASTER for this country. Unthinkable and Unacceptable. I will do whatever it takes.

NNadir

(34,447 posts)
42. Well true but...
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:25 PM
Jul 2016

...anyone thinking of voting for that pixilated person at this point, is not really worth speaking to.

As distasteful as this is, it's probably more important to reach a person who might vote for Trump, either to get them to stay home, or consider Ms. Clinton.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
45. In the lifeboat, we could have her ear while she rows.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:39 PM
Jul 2016

And take our own turns at the oars. If Hillay Clinton isn't the president you want, make her a better one.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
50. It's just stupid
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:09 PM
Jul 2016

Might as well make your "protest vote" a write in for a random name out of the phone book. They'd probably be just as qualified, and more likely to have reasonable views on vaccines.

wysi

(1,514 posts)
52. Indeed
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:42 PM
Jul 2016

Every four years my late friend Edward would write in "Bill the Cat" for President. It's pretty much the same thing.

Demsrule86

(70,842 posts)
96. I throw Stein and anything that comes from her lips under the bus and
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 07:13 AM
Jul 2016

then I back it up and run her over again. She is a spoiler and a Democratic hater ...she led voters out of the Democratic convention in order to show disrespect for Democrats. Jill Stein wants Trump to win; there can be no other explanation for her behavior. She crashed the convention ; she had no place there. I would not listen to one word Jill Stein said. She is dead to me. Fuck Jill Stein!

zentrum

(9,866 posts)
54. All this is
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:44 PM
Jul 2016

……very true. And what I discern in it, cut down to the bare gist, is that these protest voters will in fact experience the election as a vote for the lesser of two evils.

That is the problem that reframing does not change.

An anti-Trump vote, (in other words, a vote for Hillary and no one else) essential as that is, is not what democracy should be. We need a pro-vote election.



hay rick

(8,163 posts)
60. The "lesser evil" is simply the better candidate.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:02 PM
Jul 2016

Any candidate that you don't agree with 100% is a lesser evil. The "lesser evil" framing has the effect of reducing participation in the political process and becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. The way to break out of that vicious cycle is to help build a party or volunteer for a campaign... good old-fashioned sweat equity.

zentrum

(9,866 posts)
64. Not at all true.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:42 PM
Jul 2016

Voting for Obama/Biden over McCain/Palin and then again over Romney/Ryan was not at all a vote for the lesser evil. It was for most, a pro-better vote.

Things are not quite that way this time. That's all I feel comfortable saying in this venue.

hay rick

(8,163 posts)
70. We disagree.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 12:18 AM
Jul 2016

Hillary lacks Barack's charisma but I think there is little difference between them on policy. The difference between the Democratic candidate and the Republican candidate, on the other hand, has only gotten greater with each succeeding election. I will vote for Hillary without enthusiasm. I will vote against Trump with absolute conviction.

I supported Bernie in the primary and I volunteer for the party because I want to rebuild the party of FDR. Our first and necessary task, however, is to save our democracy from those who would discard it.

Demsrule86

(70,842 posts)
97. Many people were not thrilled with either
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 07:16 AM
Jul 2016

Romney or Obama who was not as popular as he is now. Many people said why couldn't we have better candidates when I GOTV. They say every year because someone's primary pick didn't get in or a second term president has done things that people don't like...the Greens were brutal to President Obama by the way.

zentrum

(9,866 posts)
108. They don't say "why can't we have better candidates"
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 10:10 AM
Jul 2016

.....just because of petulant sour grapes. They say it because of the clear-eyed perception that things that could change more and more rapidly simply do not because of more hidden systems---Citizen's United putting K street on steroids for example, and the corporate take over of the elections etc.

My comment was more directed at Obama '08 before the disillusionment of his first term had set in. That '08 vote was the most pro-vote I've seen in my lifetime. Putting aside for the moment the PUMA's. Going back to what this thread is about ----the idea of having "to vote for the lesser evil". The '08 vote stood out as not being like that for millions.

Many aren't looking at their political choices as team sports and my tribe vs the other guys, or a set of mere "likes"---but as real life policy choices that effect life, death, health, their kid's future. I think there is a sense of desperation in the country that started to surface in the '08 economic melt down and that's what makes people feel they are trapped in the "lesser of two evils" choice.

Demsrule86

(70,842 posts)
109. I always wonder at people who think a president can do everything on his own.
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 12:33 PM
Jul 2016

Imagine if Obama had a real majority. He never did ...with conservadems, Lieberman and Kennedy being ill.

Paladin

(28,711 posts)
55. The lifeboat comparison is first-rate.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:48 PM
Jul 2016

Not so much for me, as I've backed Hillary from the beginning. But I know a couple of sore-headed Bernie supporters who need to hear it.

AllyCat

(16,931 posts)
57. I just got an email from my Dems and Progressives group
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:49 PM
Jul 2016

saying the majority of the members are working for Stein. SMH. They helped me get elected to public office. And now want to undo everything we have fought for. I am frustrated that we have to settle this election again. But when each one is more awful than the last, how can we not vote against the republicans?

Demsrule86

(70,842 posts)
98. There will be no progressive movement if Trump gets in and packs the courts.
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 07:18 AM
Jul 2016

Your friends don't understand. How will they look at their wives and daughters and say ...'hey abortion is now illegal and I helped', being gay is now criminalized again,my vote did nothing to stop it...never mind gay marriage this is what Scalia wanted and Trump wants justices who think as Scalia did and millions are locked up in little more than concentration camps...we could even face nuclear war. How about we become a brown shirt nation and take out the families of terrorists just like the Nazis...did reprisal killings. Trump has advocated for this.Trump appears to be in bed with Putin and on course to destroy NATO. This is not an ordinary election. It is as someone said a national emergency.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
61. Jill Stein is not qualified to run for mayor of her small town of 34K
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:21 PM
Jul 2016

And she would be not elected if she ran.

mwooldri

(10,375 posts)
65. I'm okay with protest votes when it doesn't matter.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:15 PM
Jul 2016

It's okay to protest vote when we know for sure a supermajority will vote for a particular candidate.

It's not okay to protest vote when it matters. Your vote counts. Just ask anyone from the UK.

Anyone in NC or VA who doesn't want to see Trump win better vote for Hillary. It can be seen as voting against something rather than for something. However a vote is a vote... so Hillary or Bust.

shireen

(8,333 posts)
66. I am seeing a lot of hatred for Hillary
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:45 PM
Jul 2016

on Facebook political pages. It's kinda scary and depressing to see people lash out that way. And some of them are really mad at Bernie.



Wolf Frankula

(3,659 posts)
73. Remember what GREEN stands for
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 02:20 AM
Jul 2016

Get Republicans Elected Every November. The Greens take repukelican money. They use Trumpoid talking points. Vote Hillary.

Wolf

DonCoquixote

(13,665 posts)
76. I am in Florida
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:00 AM
Jul 2016

so with all due respect to any people who say "my votes doe not count because I am in a red or blue state, kindly keep in mind those of us who are not are doing the heavy lifting that you refuse to do.

Demsrule86

(70,842 posts)
104. I would say even those that live in other states need to vote Demcratic
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 07:31 AM
Jul 2016

While the popular vote does not count in terms of the electoral college...it is significant in terms of what sort of a mandate you are viewed as having.

DonCoquixote

(13,665 posts)
111. I hear that
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 07:59 PM
Jul 2016

but I grow weary of blue in either solid red or solid blue chide me for not seeing I am not playing on the same field as they. Granted, I despise the Electoral College, but it is what it is.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
84. The latest person that the Green Party has propped up
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 09:47 AM
Jul 2016

and stuffed full of their canned policy positions, ready to regurgitate them on demand.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
80. protest vote for stein is a vote FOR trump....any way you look at it....
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 07:18 AM
Jul 2016

dishonor yourself and your country

Response to Scuba (Original post)

Vinca

(50,867 posts)
87. Let's put all ideology aside. The choice this November is very simple: sane vs. nuts.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 01:25 PM
Jul 2016

I am 100% convinced Trump is clinically, mentally ill. To do anything that might enable his installation as POTUS is unthinkable.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
89. ...but if the boat SINKS everyone will want to pick a better Captain next time...
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 04:36 PM
Jul 2016

...or so the theory goes.

Demsrule86

(70,842 posts)
103. If they are still allowed to choose maybe.
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 07:30 AM
Jul 2016

But studies have shown that after a descent into super-conservatism. People are more likely to choose moderates- not liberals. And with the courts gone who cares?

UCmeNdc

(9,650 posts)
100. The funny thing about Jill Stein is she is not sincere. Stein is not about real change.
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 07:26 AM
Jul 2016

If Jill Stein sincerely wanted change then she would organize herself and the Green party accordingly.

Jill Stein would say to herself I cannot win but what can I do to get my position on issues noticed and have real impact?

That is what a sincere and honest person would do.

A person that only wants glory for him or herself will seek publicity with no real plan to actually get their program through.

Bernie Sanders is sincere, he fought hard then adjusted as needed and still has his program in the game. Bernie Sanders can still build and force Clinton to go in the right direction. Jill Stein is doing nothing but talking. No real action.

thucythucy

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106. Isn't the Green Party having its convention soon?
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 08:36 AM
Jul 2016

I wonder if any supporters of science--that is to say, people who oppose her anti-vaccination hysteria and the harm it's done--are planning to show up to protest.

That would be some sweet irony, and it would be interesting to see how they'd handle protests at THEIR gathering.

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