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Cooley Hurd
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Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Morning Joe commented on what the chant being drowned out was, but I've forgotten. I did feel the reaction was understandable, and absolutely nobody has ever accused me of nationalist leanings. Quite the contrary.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)But of course that chant was also hostile--the position being that Hillary and mainstream Democrats are even worse warmongers than the Republicans, or at very best just as bad.
I don't think we can blame the conventional delegates for being tired of these insults and unwilling to let hostile attendees out-noise the majority support.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)
Chichiri
(4,667 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Last edited Fri Jul 29, 2016, 09:43 AM - Edit history (1)
themselves felt instead of yielding the convention courteously to those who villify them.
Anti-war, my ass. Sure, many are philosophically opposed to war (SO different from liberals - not!), but they'd even sabotage the most anti-war party America has and thus their best chance to avoid wars to make the point that they are the only true, righteous anti-war people.
This isn't entirely motivated by dishonesty, jealousy and resentment, and mistaken virtue. Ignorance, self deception, and naivete are in there too in large measure. America's military involvement is not all bad, and sometimes it is the most moral choice in very bad situations. If we did declare an end to our military attempts to tamp down conflicts before they explode into conflagrations, wars would erupt around the planet, including perhaps some finalizing ones.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)the Democratic Party is the warmongering party and Hillary a major warmongerer. (And if you doubt that, I refer you to these people's propaganda.) Must be mistaken.
glennward
(989 posts)
Fiendish Thingy
(23,229 posts)
stopbush
(24,808 posts)as it would be to yell "no more accidents" at an auto manufacturer.
Jack Bone
(2,050 posts)
JustABozoOnThisBus
(24,681 posts)General Allen even joined in the chant for a few moments.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)The no nonsense general doesn't seem to be a very natural "chant along with the crowd" type of guy.
Onlooker
(5,636 posts)... The Democrats are trying to win not only the White House, but Congress as well. They are going after some of the voters that Trump is trying to scare.
Look, there was a lot of nationalist stuff at the Democratic Convention, but if it nets us the White House and Congress, it will be worth it. Hillary's no fascist, and the chants of USA! USA! where just a necessary rhetorical flourish in what promises to be a nasty election.
Gothmog
(179,847 posts)We were drowning out bernie bros seeking to disrupt Hillary's speech. There were some real idiots in the sanders delegation who wsnted to disrupt the convention
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... were oddly timed and the only thing that made sense is that they were intended to drown out the inappropriate chants of the Bernie delegates.
ismnotwasm
(42,674 posts)You guys did am excellent job shitting down those assholes
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)surges of chant that then died down, but I didn't know what it was about.
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Cha
(319,067 posts)Cummings and all those who came after him.
Cha
(319,067 posts)jill stein bunch disrupting our honorable guest speakers for democracy.
USA!
We know we care about the Planet.. but, we are proud of our President and our Democratic nominee.
Gothmog
(179,847 posts)RonniePudding
(889 posts)As it was probably obvious to the OP as well. This thread scratches another itch for the poster I'm afraid.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)
George II
(67,782 posts)adigal
(7,581 posts)How we need to shut up dissent within our own party. How we are a country of exceptionalism. How we are the greatest in the world. All coming from Dems.
Meanwhile, most first world countries don't have 1/4 of their children living in poverty. They don't spend 1/2 of their money on the military. Our cities are filthy, and our rural people are poor. Our middle class is shrinking, as is Arctic ice. But we are the best!!!! Yay!!!!
I feel like a curmudgeon, because I don't get all the cheerleading when we have really serious issues.
LoverOfLiberty
(1,438 posts)to counter the Republican claim that we need to be fixed.
Renew Deal
(85,150 posts)1. Dissent isn't the problem, but rowdy protests in the convention hall is.
2. Trump has gone so negative on America that Dems are over compensating the other way (and it's working)
adigal
(7,581 posts)Of any dissent by many Dems here and on other Dem sites. It scares me.
Renew Deal
(85,150 posts)It is to be a safe haven for Democrats and other left minded people and to elect Democrats. If people want big ideological disagreements they are better served by Yahoo message boards and other places.
The convention is a marketing opportunity. By that point most disputes should be settled out.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)where disputes are resolved. 1964. 1968. 1992. If the Party had historically been proactive in doing the right thing there would not have been the need for disputes at conventions but the fact is DNC was all white until a convention dispute seated the first African American delegates in '64. It took all sorts of pressures at convention to prod Bill Clinton into saying 'gay and lesbian' when listing Democratic constituencies. He did not walk up to us and volunteer to do that, just so you know.
I think it's fun to believe our conventions are a Vegas style review but that's not how it has ever been.
Those of us who have been called fringe, radical and militant just for wanting a place at the convention table hesitate to agree with the 'shut it all down and run it like an Amway convention' theory.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)We have the same right to dissent as you, and being the majority, our dissent wins.
Besides, if the Jill Stein dead-enders really were on our side, they wouldn't be fighting to prevent us from getting elected in the first place. Losers don't get to govern. Winning elections matters, yes, more so than principle. Principled losers are still losers.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)And when the rest of us shout down the dead-enders, that's "bad dissent". Unreal hypocrisy.
Justice
(7,261 posts)Justice
(7,261 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)It's people expressing themselves.
Also, Democrats have a free speech right to put on a speech without allowing our political opponents to sabotage it.
It's not dissent to poop on the carpet.
The Dem party has changed since 08. In a significant way.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)people are ascendant. I really don't like the tone of many of these complaints either, but it just shows that even lovers of free speech are human.
It's important to remember that liberals are the people who both brought us, and are always forced to protect, the principle of free speech. We protect it from both some conservatives and virtually all true extremists on the left and the right.
A favorite tactic of left-wing extremists during the 1960s and 1970s was to try to suppress the speech of anyone who disagreed with them using a variety of ruthless and immoral tactics. We hadn't entered the internet age yet, of course, and most of that that I was aware of took place on university campuses, and some in publishing.
Interestingly but predictably enough with today's resurgence of left-wing extremism, their technique of blocking and/or distorting messages they don't like is once again happening on campuses. And, of course, the convention's insurgent faction of previous Sanders supporters tried unsuccessfully to keep speakers on stage ("dissenters"
from being properly heard. If they could have, they would have disrupted and derailed the entire convention. That's the kind of thing that identifies this small group as extremists.
Gothmog
(179,847 posts)The sanders campaign was poorly organized and did not vet its delegates. There were unstable idiots in the sanders delegaion who were scary. A real campaign would not send these unstable types to a convention
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)except their preferred nominee who lost the damn election.
Shut them up? Lord, I should be so lucky to be "silenced" in this way!
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)We are a big party. And there is no requirement that a liberal or progressive cannot enjoy or participate in a patriotic display. And there is certainly no requirement that after such display we have to make qualifying statements about all of Americas shortcomings.
I agree with Hillary that we are a great nation and am happy to support her in making it better!
USA, USA!!
Democrats can and should do better.
Justice
(7,261 posts)We have really serious issues. But we have to work together to solve them. We have to stay focused on the issues.
Chanting "no more war" when a civil rights leader is speaking or when a woman is accepting the presidential nomination is disrespectful.
There was no "cheerleading." A very mocking word choice.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)is the same thing as shutting down dissent.
If the party were truly trying to shut down dissent, the Sanders wing of the party would not have been as successful as they were with the platform.
George II
(67,782 posts)...is that many of them were non-Democrats who wrangled their way into being delegates through open caucuses and primaries.
DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)The truth is you were they were disrupting because Sanders lost, pure and simple. If Hillary supporters had disrupted PBO in 2008 what would you have said. When your trying to stop others from disrupting your own free speech that is not trying to shut up dissent. If the disruptors wanted their air time do it on thier own dime.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)
BeyondGeography
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Our patriotism is optimistic, not ugly. We have always had the better case on economic and social issues. This is President Obama's legacy; he has raised the consciousness of Democrats of what makes our country great. In so doing, the overall power of our message has increased and our opponents are left with emotional scraps. The chant, coming from us, isn't about killing people, it's about defending values that are essential.
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)
livetohike
(24,282 posts)
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)
Lisa D
(1,532 posts) workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Thank you! 
baldguy
(36,649 posts)The chants of "USA!" weren't as creepy as the heckling of our veterans was disgusting & inappropriate.
treestar
(82,383 posts)People have absolutely fallen for the right wing hijacking of patriotism! To be bothered by people happy about their country!
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)
DawgHouse
(4,019 posts)
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)Chauvinistic nationalism isn't just for republicans anymore apparently.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)I wouldn't want to live any where else or raised my kids any where else
adigal
(7,581 posts)But when you take a clear-eyed view of our country, for many people the economy has left them behind, there's HUGE college debt, very little opportunity to advance unless you have great connections or are wicked smart, we are still (always) at war, more killings of each other than any nation not in a civil war, use more fossil fuels than any other first world country, no paid child leave, etc.
Have you been to European countries? Especially those evil "socialist" ones?
But yes - "USA, USA, USA!!!!!!!!!!!!"
PrideofJefferson
(54 posts)I agree that this country has a ton of flaws but I will still take America over all other countries. A country that can elect an ethnic minority whose voting rights were only secured 50 years ago (and still under attack) with a name more familiar to someone who lives on the other side of the earth is pretty awesome. We the people voted him in and our political system made his ascension smooth into the most powerful position on earth. And for all of the positive press the Scandinavian countries get they don't have near the diversity of people and cultures we do here in America. I think what we have is valuable. Again, our flaws are numerous but I am proud to be an American and will always strive for a better country.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)"we aren't all that". 
Cha
(319,067 posts)for them.. I'm really glad most people are.
It was a beautiful convention.. so proud of our DEMS and HILLARY! And, President Obama, Michelle, VP Biden, and Senator Tim Kaine!
All of our Dems.. Elijah Cummings, John Lewis, Senator Booker, Chelsea, Senator Franken, Senator Elizabeth Warren, Gov Jennifer Granholm, Sarah Silverman.. all the brilliant Dems who were there FOR Hillary.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)over country..........
Cha
(319,067 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)They've been crowing that they were going to turn the convention into 1968 for weeks. They failed. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving group of BoBs.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Cha
(319,067 posts)Cha
(319,067 posts)when they're not being the bully.
That's right.. they were going to rage 1968 on Philly. I knew that wasn't going to happen because in 1968 they really had something to PROTEST!
USA!
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,189 posts)still_one
(98,883 posts)group thought it was appropriate to heckle, boo, and interrupt that segment honoring the armed forces.
So if I understand some of the arguments presented in this thread, it is fine for these hecklers, and interrupters to express their free speech rights, but it is NOT fine for those who didn't appreciate the interruptions from expressing THEIR free speech rights.
If I recall, it wasn't that long ago when at the Netroots Nation event, when some here were very upset at the interruptions that occurred toward their candidate at that event. I don't recall supporters of the candidate that was being interrupted, being so generous in their tolerance of those interruptions.
Cha
(319,067 posts)of USA!!!!! USA!!!! sounded very good drowning out those who were disrupting Elijah Cummings, the Medal of Honor recipient Flornet Groberg and all the other brilliant people who were there to support Hillary.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/07/28/bernie-fans-boo-medal-of-honor-winner.html?via=desktop&source=copyurl
USA!! USA!!
still_one
(98,883 posts)should vote for their candidate, and party before the official campaigning begins.
I support a person's right to protest. I also support the right of a person who wants to hear what is being said without protesters interrupting the speaker.
We all know the reason for the counter chants of HILLARY HILLARY HILLARY, and USA USA USA. If these counter chants did not occur, the heckling, booing, and interruptions would have been unabated throughout the speaker's presentations. The headlines would not have been what a wonderful message and Convention we had, it would have been focused on the disruptors, and the Convention would have been a failure. I have suspicions some would have liked to see the Convention be a failure.
The stakes have never been higher in this election. We are talking about 2 to 3 Supreme Court nominations.
Cha
(319,067 posts)for Democracy. It ain't easy.. there're no guarantees.
"We are talking about 2 to 3 Supreme Court nominations." And, oh btw, Our Planet!
Thank you for that, stillone~
Hillary Clinton
✔ @HillaryClinton
Let's go win this, together.
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USA!! USA!!
still_one
(98,883 posts) 
merrily
(45,251 posts)jingoistism, nationalisim, militarism, etc. disturbing to one degree or another.
However, to be fair, this was about nominating someone to be President of the USA.
obamanut2012
(29,369 posts)A very historic moment.
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)... about that contrast don't people understand?
LostinRed
(846 posts)Have been hijacked by right wing and are seen as jingoism and not patriotism. You should be patriotic.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)those that were heckling and I'm glad they did it. Anyone who was trying to disrupt the history of last night was automatically and forever on my shit list.
DFW
(60,182 posts)My wife is from Germany, and other than at soccer matches, shouts of "Deutschland, Deutschland, Deutschland" bring memories of a much darker era less than a century past--one that resulted in the violent deaths of most of her mom's brothers and her dad getting drafted at 17 and coming back from Stalingrad minus a leg less than a year later.
She realizes that we bear no such burden as a country, but even the hint of such an attitude gives her the creeps just by association.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)RonniePudding
(889 posts)And it worked. Good.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)RonniePudding
(889 posts)Or how about "up with clean renewable energy!" or "Better libraries for all" or "Lets discuss the merits of bank regulation policy!"
None roll off the tongue too well as a chant, do they?
Sorry you're annoyed by hearing the name of your country chanted by people, Democrats,but the convention was a rousing success despite the attempts of some dead enders to make it a catastrophe. In the end, the rude, insufferable bullies got it handed to them. And that's a good thing.
Have a lovely day.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,674 posts)It was beautiful to behold.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Especially during her speech when these assholes decided to take it upon themselves to scream and boo throughout most of it.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)obamanut2012
(29,369 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)During the armed services portion and "Hillary" was chanted during her speech.
liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)The USA chants and later the Hillary chants were to drown out the Bob's
They did nothing to further their cause!
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)Drowning them out with USA or Hillary chants was just as disruptive.
I for one would have liked to hear their protesting chants. It is important. It is the voice of the people!
RonniePudding
(889 posts)Interrupting people while they are speaking is rude. When people can't extend basic courtesies I quickly become uninterested in what they have to say.
And the notion that their voices haven't been heard is utterly ludicrous, as we've just ended a long and contentious primary campaign.
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)RonniePudding
(889 posts)But fair enough.
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)Until you feel that level of passion, you will never understand.
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)"Our side" is people fighting to elect Democrats, not whatever nebulous and ass-backwards goal the dead-ender cult has come up with today. Shouting isn't persuasive and does nothing to convince anyone not already convinced, so if the fringe Left really wants to exercise influence, they'd better learn how to do it without being giant assholes about it.
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)The thing is that M$M does not show America the issues. They gave no air-time to the protestors outside.
Anti-Hillary was not appropriate. I agree.
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)They were most definitely anti-Hillary.
Democat
(11,617 posts)People shouldn't shout down protesters who are shouting down Democratic speakers? 
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)They can hold their own fucking convention and pay for it if they want.
Trying to undermine the nominee is grounds for immediate ejection.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)ones who refused to let them ruin a historic nomination out of their childish need for revenge.
sarae
(3,284 posts)So the rest of the crowd there weren't people?
obamanut2012
(29,369 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)
pnwmom
(110,260 posts)
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)I actually think the DNC did a pretty good job of balancing dissent and disruption. I was worried the first night about one of two things .... 1) they would lose control of the convention 2) they would exert too much control (like the GOP did) and attempt to quash or expel all protest (which would have damaged the party and Clinton as much as losing control)
In the end the convention (not absolutely true but pretty much true) .... gave the impression of fractious groups and a party coming together.
Though , on a personal level I abhor rude behavior .....the way the DNC handled was very, very good ... it was Clinton's night .. she was brilliant and the DNC set the stage for her.
procon
(15,805 posts)What have you got against the rallying shouts of, USA? That's the name of our country! It was a call for unity and solidarity with fellow Democrats, to support the guest speakers who were invited to come to the convention in support of our party and to nominate Hillary for President.
Paladin
(32,354 posts)
secondwind
(16,903 posts)BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)Seeing others succeed and letting it drive you crazy? That's definitely RWNJ behavior right there. The D-bag delegates who can't stand that the world spins on without their control of it are not Democrats, liberals, or progressives. They are the embodiment of anger, hate, and impotent fury at the real Democratic coalition controlling this party.
sarae
(3,284 posts)forced the crowd into this position, so I can't blame them. Were they supposed to politely sit and watch people insult our nominee at a historic moment? It's not like they haven't had three days already to protest.
It's not like they haven't been all over the news already, shouting "lock her up" and "lies, lies, lies". As a woman, I have a problem with that. It feels a lot like a group of people who have thoroughly internalized sexism and misogyny once again going out of their way to shut women up. Are we supposed to just take the abuse?
Politicub
(12,328 posts)In the same way that Obama and Clinton love it. There is so much good that it will help us, over time, fix the bad.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)to be all war hawks now?
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)If I chant USA or Hill-ary and I'm louder than the next person, that is going to make you a war hawk? I don't think I have that much power over anyone.
DCofVA
(714 posts)It reminded me too much of 2003, when all objections to the war were labeled "unpatriotic".
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts) B Calm
(28,762 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)livetohike
(24,282 posts)were portrayed throughout the four days. It's about time the country sees that we love our country for the diversity and opportunity we offer.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)USA! USA! USA!
Justice
(7,261 posts)
apnu
(8,790 posts)After 4 days of a small group trying to drown out what others had to say. Them not listening and trying to silence others, I didn't have a problem with the convention, on day FOUR, finally having enough of them and their single issue complaints.
Additionally, it had the side affect of attracting Republicans who love America and are appalled by Trump and the rightward lurch the GOP has taken over the decades.
If they come over and vote for Hillary, that's great. We get two things. 1) more votes for a tried and true LIBERAL, and 2) they will have to leave the conservative echo chamber, will be exposed to facts and new ideas, igniting positive change and a peaceful transformation into better people.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)I get the reference, but last night was 100% different.
When the Chanting of USA.. USA.. USA is to a message of xenophobia, exclusion, and limited to certain races and classes of persons.. Damn skippy it's a frightening thing to behold.
When the chanting of USA.. USA.. USA is to a message of acceptance of all humans, inclusion, and a message specifically targeted at all people.. I'm more than happy to join in the chant.
Cha
(319,067 posts)you say.. context is Everything!
These were USA!!! for Democracy.. to let it be heard!
USA!
RonniePudding
(889 posts)I like to see democrats win elections so I thought it was terrific. Even better that it came about as a way to drown out rude, insufferable bullies there for no other reason than to disrupt. They got it handed to them, and it was glorious.
Cha
(319,067 posts)I love it!
USA!
One of the functions and themes of this convention was to countermand the dark vision presented at the Republican convention of a dystopic, failed America, whose streets are overrun with violence, who is seen as weak and ineffectual abroad, and whose white privilege is threatened by the presence of immigrants and minorities. Speaker after speaker underscored the theme of an America that is already great, despite its needs for improvement through progressive policies in order to continue the task of forming a more perfect union.
And then there was the need to drown out the negative voices from our own side.
ismnotwasm
(42,674 posts) bigwillq
(72,790 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)to be ugly and offensive. Usually you hear it at things like Olympic sporting events. Yeah, last night was a different circumstance, but, still.
I'm reminded of the "America, love it or leave it" nonsense back under Nixon.
The entire binary assessment of things: You're either with us or against us, you're either part of the problem or part of the solution, and so on, leaves no room for nuance, for actual assessment of what might be wrong or what might be needed to change something.
This election season will no doubt reinforce that binary view of the world.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)A vote for Jill Stein is really a vote for Trump.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)is likewise a vote for Trump. Although why it wouldn't be an equal vote for every candidate on the ballot is something I don't quite get.
Because of the overwhelming dominance of the two major political parties in this country, every election is essentially a binary election. Not so much at the primary level, of course.
My point is that nuance and subtlety are completely lost, and that's an enormous problem in this country. On all levels.
sarae
(3,284 posts)This crowd looked like us...latinos, muslims, black people, asians, and white people.
This is the first time I've actually felt included as a real American in this context. It's partly a protest against the idea being spread by Trump and his followers that we aren't American.
inwiththenew
(997 posts)Who don't want to vote for Trump.
comradebillyboy
(10,955 posts)appeal only to the far left. That is a real winning strategy I suppose. God forbid we accept moderates into our ranks.
GusBob
(8,249 posts)between "hell no" and "hell fucking no"
It was a brilliant slap at the GOP
its gonna leave a mark
Zambero
(9,990 posts)A chant in and of itself means very little. The context in which it is used means everything. If it means that we value our standing as a diverse nation, supporting equal treatment and equal rights under the law, opposing torture, rejecting demagoguery and bigotry, and investing in the country's future through education and job opportunity, then it is quite appropriate. That is the message I heard yesterday, and if we can somehow pull those things off together, we will have every right to be proud of doing so.
still_one
(98,883 posts)The disrespect those few people choose to spew on General John Allen, MOH person, and our armed forces, was childish and stupid.
and no, it wasn't just anti-war slogans, the were booing.
Bravo to those that would NOT let the disrespect from those few rule the day, by drowning them out with USA USA USA
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/07/28/bernie-fans-boo-medal-of-honor-winner.html?via=desktop&source=copyurl
and the same few tried a similar tactic when Hillary was speaking. That is when you heard the counter, HILLARY HILLARY HILLARY
So you were "creeped out" by the disruptive chants of USA USA, but had no problem with the disruptive heckling, and interruption against that part of the program honoring our soldiers?
B Calm
(28,762 posts)their eyes and give the country the peace sign. I guess it was the old hippie in me.
still_one
(98,883 posts)and while those in the audience who choose to protest, boo, heckle, or make statements during various points in the Convention, others thought to counter those prostests, boos, heckles, or interruptions with their own statements to counter that.
So if I understand some of the arguments presented in this thread, it is fine for these hecklers, and interrupters to express their free speech rights, but it is NOT fine for those who didn't appreciate the interruptions from expressing THEIR free speech rights.
If I recall, it wasn't that long ago when at the Netroots Nation event, some here were very upset at the interruptions that occurred toward their candidate at that event. I don't recall supporters of the candidate that was being interrupted, being so generous in their tolerance of those interruptions.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)still_one
(98,883 posts)artyteacher
(598 posts)aftervall, we are the real patriots.
MariaThinks
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Loki
(3,830 posts)They were the reprimand of those who were there to participate, support and proclaim the Democratic message, not the ones who went to only disrup because they didn't get their way. There s a time to protest and there is a time to listen. Last night was a time to listen.
G_j
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democrattotheend
(12,011 posts)But somehow the media didn't pick up on that and saw it as Democrats reclaiming patriotism. I'll take it.
jodymarie aimee
(3,975 posts)Plain Talk: 'Discord' at conventions is a proud democratic tradition
DAVE ZWEIFEL | Cap Times editor emeritus
Oh my, there's "discord" at the Republican and Democratic national conventions, the pundits and reporters have told us nonstop the past two weeks.
My goodness, there's booing coming from some delegates. There are demonstrators outside the convention hall.
Doesn't anyone remember what conventions were all about anymore?
If these two conventions this year were examples of unruliness, then conventions of years past must have been full-scale riots.
There's discord at a political convention. When did the media come up with the idea that everyone is supposed to be holding hands and singing "Kumbaya"? That's what's supposed to happen on the last night of the convention when all scores have been settled, not the three days before when delegates want to vent.
It's at these once-in-four-years events that highly partisan people with differing views about the direction of their party get to champion their views. "Discord" on the convention floor used to be a common occurrence and, frankly, that's really what drew millions of Americans to their radios and, later, TVs to listen to and see the action.
Supporters of different candidates would sometimes break into fistfights. John F. Kennedy and Hubert Humphrey delegates exchanged epithets. Ronald Reagan nearly derailed sitting president Gerald Ford's quest for the nomination in a convention that saw delegates and not a few TV reporters get roughed up.
The Democrats' 1968 convention in Chicago was indeed a riot — at least outside across the street from the Hilton in Grant Park. When Sen. Abraham Ribicoff of Connecticut grabbed a mike and denounced Chicago cops for acting like the Gestapo, Chicago Mayor Richard Daley peppered him with obscenities, including, "F--- you. You Jew son-of-a-bitch." Now that's what I call unruly, and not in the same league with Ted Cruz telling conventioneers to vote their own conscience come Election Day and Donald Trump not responding.
Then there was the Barry Goldwater vs. Nelson Rockefeller debacle at the '64 GOP convention in San Francisco. A genuine fistfight broke out between delegates arguing over an immigration plank in the platform. And booing was incessant. The Goldwater delegates, like Trump's this year, suspected that Rockefeller and the Eastern "elites" were going to steal his nomination.
So it was with some amusement that I read The New York Times' front-page headline on the Dems' first day, "Democrats Find Unity Is Elusive on Unruly Day 1." Some Bernie Sanders delegates booed the mention of Hillary Clinton that day, but what else would you expect from partisans who had worked their buns off for a year on behalf of their favorite politician?
Conventions were meant to be raucous and loud, exhibiting the best traditions of American democratic debate and the airing of grievances.
To hell with this nicey-nicey stuff.
Dave Zweifel is editor emeritus of The Capital
Cha
(319,067 posts)It's for Democrats who are supporting our Nominee.
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Peacetrain
(24,288 posts)Throd
(7,208 posts)Despite its many flaws, I have a deep and profound love for my country.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)I am sick and tired of ceding the term "Patriot" to the Republicans. I am a patriot and what we saw at OUR convention is what the REAL America looks like. They represent ME.
RandySF
(84,263 posts)We Democrars are too sophisticated to love America.