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brooklynite

(94,808 posts)
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 03:51 PM Jul 2016

Jill Stein on vaccines: People have ‘real questions’

Waswhington Post:

PHILADELPHIA — For a week, Jill Stein was everywhere that the Democratic National Convention was not. The Green Party's likely candidate for president made drop-ins to a four-day Socialist Convergence at the Quaker meeting hall, rallied "Bernie or Bust" protesters outside the gates of Philadelphia's sports complex and sat for interview after interview.

When she sat with The Washington Post's Sarah Parnass and Alice Li, Stein explained her stance on something that had flared up during a Reddit AMA. Did she think vaccines were harmful?

"I think there’s no question that vaccines have been absolutely critical in ridding us of the scourge of many diseases — smallpox, polio, etc. So vaccines are an invaluable medication," Stein said. "Like any medication, they also should be — what shall we say? -- approved by a regulatory board that people can trust. And I think right now, that is the problem. That people do not trust a Food and Drug Administration, or even the CDC for that matter, where corporate influence and the pharmaceutical industry has a lot of influence."


Stein's warning about corporate influence in the vaccine approval process is often voiced by "anti-vaxxers." In reality, most members of the Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee work at academic or medical institutions, not drug companies. But for Stein, the fact that people saw corporate and lobbying influence running rampant meant that some skepticism was warranted


...also about the moon landing...
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Jill Stein on vaccines: People have ‘real questions’ (Original Post) brooklynite Jul 2016 OP
No, Jill. Only idiots have questions. longship Jul 2016 #1
Harvard educated physician... Agschmid Jul 2016 #17
Who is anti-Vax. Sorta nullifies her credibility. longship Jul 2016 #18
Ben Carson... MrWendel Jul 2016 #19
Didnt W go to Yale or Harvard? workinclasszero Jul 2016 #20
Which means she should know better. TwilightZone Jul 2016 #22
The authority argument. athena Jul 2016 #37
Idiot. NurseJackie Jul 2016 #2
Ah, the "I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but here's a bunch of reasons why anti-vaxxers are right" routine. TwilightZone Jul 2016 #3
and newborn babies die of things like pertussis because of this anti-vax bullshit. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #4
Pence has "real quesitons" about evolution, Trump "real questions" about climate change. Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #5
I have real questions about who gave this woman a medical degree. auntpurl Jul 2016 #15
Moscow Campus. nt Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #23
I see that today's reading comphrehension test is not going well. Wilms Jul 2016 #6
Yes PatSeg Jul 2016 #10
Awww. Is poking fun of the crank and loon brigade hurting some Green-TeaPublican feeeeeeeelings? Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #28
This is the kind of sarcasm and innuendo PatSeg Jul 2016 #32
I am sick of treating the Green party with kid gloves and coddling the feelings of the precious Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #33
I would never vote for a third party PatSeg Jul 2016 #35
Actually, we can read it just fine. TwilightZone Jul 2016 #16
So anyone who is not 100% one way or the other is pandering? Wilms Jul 2016 #24
It would appear so PatSeg Jul 2016 #30
+ a few million nationalize the fed Jul 2016 #34
Thank you PatSeg Jul 2016 #36
How dare peopke have questions regarding corporate influence on the government!!! Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2016 #7
Okay, I was not the only one PatSeg Jul 2016 #9
I am no fan of Jill Stein, but what she said PatSeg Jul 2016 #8
What you quoted is not the unreasonable part oberliner Jul 2016 #11
Most vaccines are made abroad so we don't have much to say. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #27
Anti vax nutter workinclasszero Jul 2016 #12
Uh, NO THEY DON'T. nt auntpurl Jul 2016 #13
"I'm not saying Obama was born in Kenya, but there are real questions." geek tragedy Jul 2016 #14
What the fuck.. ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #21
Because it is the most selfish white privilege thing I can think of. nt auntpurl Jul 2016 #25
You got that right ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #29
As long as it's not THEIR little kid who dies, as long as it's some OTHER little kid who has a auntpurl Jul 2016 #31
I agree ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #38
Tell that to the Mom's of kids who have died because they came in contact with Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #26

longship

(40,416 posts)
1. No, Jill. Only idiots have questions.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 03:56 PM
Jul 2016

And for a physician to say what you said is an utter betrayal to your profession.

You deserve to be struck off for your ignorant position.

TwilightZone

(25,505 posts)
22. Which means she should know better.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 04:48 PM
Jul 2016

In fact, she does, which makes it worse. It's nothing but pandering.

athena

(4,187 posts)
37. The authority argument.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 06:14 PM
Jul 2016

Always popular on DU.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

Not every person who graduates from Harvard is smart. Furthermore, physicians are practitioners, not scientists. It's important to make the distinction.

TwilightZone

(25,505 posts)
3. Ah, the "I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but here's a bunch of reasons why anti-vaxxers are right" routine.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 03:59 PM
Jul 2016

Gotta love the pandering.

Maru Kitteh

(28,344 posts)
5. Pence has "real quesitons" about evolution, Trump "real questions" about climate change.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 04:03 PM
Jul 2016

I have real questions about Stein's sanity and intelligence. Maybe she dipped into the pharmaceuticals a few hundred too many times. Something went very wrong with her head at some point, that's for sure.



Maru Kitteh

(28,344 posts)
28. Awww. Is poking fun of the crank and loon brigade hurting some Green-TeaPublican feeeeeeeelings?
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:00 PM
Jul 2016

Too bad. Green Party tea tastes just like Republican. All of that poison should be flushed.

Stein is a stooge, leading a band of useful morons and assholes. Fuck her and her merry band of Putin's tools.



PatSeg

(47,675 posts)
32. This is the kind of sarcasm and innuendo
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:13 PM
Jul 2016

that is making DU an increasingly unpleasant and unenlightened place to be. I come here for intelligent discussions and debates, not to be ridiculed and mocked. The insinuation that I am not a Democrat is crossing the line too.

I am not affiliated with the Green Party, but that doesn't mean I can't agree with something they say. I also don't refer to people as cranks, loons, TeaPublicans, poison, stooge, morons, assholes, or tools.

I thought as Democrats, we were the civil party.

Maru Kitteh

(28,344 posts)
33. I am sick of treating the Green party with kid gloves and coddling the feelings of the precious
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:39 PM
Jul 2016

Indigo children who will never be satisfied.

I will not waste my time with serious discussion about a party of cranks that is not itself serious. The Green party has no chance, nor any observable interest in doing anything that would propel them to a viable party. Their efforts show a party uninterested in doing more than continuing to fleece a few fools and maintain their status quo as perennial spoilers.

PatSeg

(47,675 posts)
35. I would never vote for a third party
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:59 PM
Jul 2016

though I think the purpose of the Green Party is not so much to win elective office, but to bring some light to environmental and economic issues, many of which are also progressive issues. I can disagree with her and her methods and still agree with many things she believes. They are issues that have been promoted here over and over again as long as I have been a DU member.

I am supporting Hillary, but that does not mean I will demean everyone who is not Hillary.

TwilightZone

(25,505 posts)
16. Actually, we can read it just fine.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 04:35 PM
Jul 2016

She's playing both sides of the argument, when she clearly should know better.

It's blatant pandering, her specialty.

PatSeg

(47,675 posts)
30. It would appear so
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:04 PM
Jul 2016

I am seeing a lot of this lately and it is making DU rather an uncomfortable place to be at times. Everything seems to be "for" or "against", "reasonable" or "nutter", etc. What kind of people don't ask questions? Is that what is expected of us?

PatSeg

(47,675 posts)
36. Thank you
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 06:01 PM
Jul 2016

That restrictive attitude around here is becoming a bit suffocating. If I wanted to march lockstep with a certain ideology, I'd become a republican!

PatSeg

(47,675 posts)
8. I am no fan of Jill Stein, but what she said
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 04:14 PM
Jul 2016

was very reasonable: "I think there’s no question that vaccines have been absolutely critical in ridding us of the scourge of many diseases — smallpox, polio, etc. So vaccines are an invaluable medication."

She is questioning corporate influence in our regulatory government agencies, something most of us here have questioned repeatedly. We know there is a revolving door between industries and the agencies assigned to oversee them. I don't think her comments warrant the level of ridicule being directed at her. I know very few Democrats who do not question corporate influence on government.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
11. What you quoted is not the unreasonable part
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 04:20 PM
Jul 2016

It's the part where she justifies vaccination skeptics by implying that they are not now being regulated properly.

Demsrule86

(68,735 posts)
27. Most vaccines are made abroad so we don't have much to say.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 04:56 PM
Jul 2016

She is a green troublemaker...scaring people to death when research has shown she is wrong...and putting kids at risk. The Greens don't care how many kids they hurt to practice their useless politics that go nowhere and only help the GOP enact policies that are totally the opposite of progressive policies.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
14. "I'm not saying Obama was born in Kenya, but there are real questions."
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 04:31 PM
Jul 2016

Standard two-step of the crazies

ismnotwasm

(42,021 posts)
29. You got that right
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:03 PM
Jul 2016

People die because of this, I have sick patients every year because of this, I've personally had to get a pertussis booster and take anti-biotics because of this, *this* is so horribly moronic I run right out of words

I had a friend die, as his stable mental illness lent itself to to blithe medical conspiracy theory and snake oil, watched him cycle down from simple anti-vacation rhetoric to refusing his cancer treatments. And there were assholes everywhere happy to feed him bullshit and call it knowledge.

This makes me sick. Anti-vax opportunism is as close to fitting the definition of evil as it gets.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
31. As long as it's not THEIR little kid who dies, as long as it's some OTHER little kid who has a
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:07 PM
Jul 2016

condition that will prevent him medically from having a vaccination, they don't give a SHIT. It infuriates me too. Herd immunity is fucking SCIENCE, not an opinion. Vaccinations should be MANDATORY for everyone.

I'm sorry to hear about your friend, and the vultures that surrounded him have a lot to answer for when karma comes around.

ismnotwasm

(42,021 posts)
38. I agree
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 07:47 PM
Jul 2016

I think of him often--he cared is what, he cared deeply and as he grew more and more in the fantasy state of CT, well it was heartbreaking to watch.

Demsrule86

(68,735 posts)
26. Tell that to the Mom's of kids who have died because they came in contact with
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 04:51 PM
Jul 2016

non-vaccinated kids who had measles or some other childhood disease. Jilly Stein uninformed but still she talks and talks and talks.

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