2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumJill Stein on vaccines: People have ‘real questions’
Waswhington Post:When she sat with The Washington Post's Sarah Parnass and Alice Li, Stein explained her stance on something that had flared up during a Reddit AMA. Did she think vaccines were harmful?
"I think theres no question that vaccines have been absolutely critical in ridding us of the scourge of many diseases smallpox, polio, etc. So vaccines are an invaluable medication," Stein said. "Like any medication, they also should be what shall we say? -- approved by a regulatory board that people can trust. And I think right now, that is the problem. That people do not trust a Food and Drug Administration, or even the CDC for that matter, where corporate influence and the pharmaceutical industry has a lot of influence."
Stein's warning about corporate influence in the vaccine approval process is often voiced by "anti-vaxxers." In reality, most members of the Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee work at academic or medical institutions, not drug companies. But for Stein, the fact that people saw corporate and lobbying influence running rampant meant that some skepticism was warranted
...also about the moon landing...
longship
(40,416 posts)And for a physician to say what you said is an utter betrayal to your profession.
You deserve to be struck off for your ignorant position.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)Drops mic.
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)went to Yale. Going to an Ivy league school makes you smart, but not any less crazy.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)TwilightZone
(25,505 posts)In fact, she does, which makes it worse. It's nothing but pandering.
athena
(4,187 posts)Always popular on DU.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority
Not every person who graduates from Harvard is smart. Furthermore, physicians are practitioners, not scientists. It's important to make the distinction.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)What a kook.
TwilightZone
(25,505 posts)Gotta love the pandering.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Fuck the anti-vaxxers.
Maru Kitteh
(28,344 posts)I have real questions about Stein's sanity and intelligence. Maybe she dipped into the pharmaceuticals a few hundred too many times. Something went very wrong with her head at some point, that's for sure.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Maybe it was Trump U.
Maru Kitteh
(28,344 posts)Wilms
(26,795 posts)Nice job, though.
Too busy with the slings and arrows it seems.
Maru Kitteh
(28,344 posts)Too bad. Green Party tea tastes just like Republican. All of that poison should be flushed.
Stein is a stooge, leading a band of useful morons and assholes. Fuck her and her merry band of Putin's tools.
PatSeg
(47,675 posts)that is making DU an increasingly unpleasant and unenlightened place to be. I come here for intelligent discussions and debates, not to be ridiculed and mocked. The insinuation that I am not a Democrat is crossing the line too.
I am not affiliated with the Green Party, but that doesn't mean I can't agree with something they say. I also don't refer to people as cranks, loons, TeaPublicans, poison, stooge, morons, assholes, or tools.
I thought as Democrats, we were the civil party.
Maru Kitteh
(28,344 posts)Indigo children who will never be satisfied.
I will not waste my time with serious discussion about a party of cranks that is not itself serious. The Green party has no chance, nor any observable interest in doing anything that would propel them to a viable party. Their efforts show a party uninterested in doing more than continuing to fleece a few fools and maintain their status quo as perennial spoilers.
PatSeg
(47,675 posts)though I think the purpose of the Green Party is not so much to win elective office, but to bring some light to environmental and economic issues, many of which are also progressive issues. I can disagree with her and her methods and still agree with many things she believes. They are issues that have been promoted here over and over again as long as I have been a DU member.
I am supporting Hillary, but that does not mean I will demean everyone who is not Hillary.
TwilightZone
(25,505 posts)She's playing both sides of the argument, when she clearly should know better.
It's blatant pandering, her specialty.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)PatSeg
(47,675 posts)I am seeing a lot of this lately and it is making DU rather an uncomfortable place to be at times. Everything seems to be "for" or "against", "reasonable" or "nutter", etc. What kind of people don't ask questions? Is that what is expected of us?
nationalize the fed
(2,169 posts)Only fools and sycophants never question anything.
PatSeg
(47,675 posts)That restrictive attitude around here is becoming a bit suffocating. If I wanted to march lockstep with a certain ideology, I'd become a republican!
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)PatSeg
(47,675 posts)Lately it feels like everything and everyone is eligible for attack.
PatSeg
(47,675 posts)was very reasonable: "I think theres no question that vaccines have been absolutely critical in ridding us of the scourge of many diseases smallpox, polio, etc. So vaccines are an invaluable medication."
She is questioning corporate influence in our regulatory government agencies, something most of us here have questioned repeatedly. We know there is a revolving door between industries and the agencies assigned to oversee them. I don't think her comments warrant the level of ridicule being directed at her. I know very few Democrats who do not question corporate influence on government.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)It's the part where she justifies vaccination skeptics by implying that they are not now being regulated properly.
Demsrule86
(68,735 posts)She is a green troublemaker...scaring people to death when research has shown she is wrong...and putting kids at risk. The Greens don't care how many kids they hurt to practice their useless politics that go nowhere and only help the GOP enact policies that are totally the opposite of progressive policies.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)The Busters new leader!
Is Jill a flat earther as well?
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Standard two-step of the crazies
ismnotwasm
(42,021 posts)I despise anti-vax nonsense as I despise few things. What an asshole.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,021 posts)People die because of this, I have sick patients every year because of this, I've personally had to get a pertussis booster and take anti-biotics because of this, *this* is so horribly moronic I run right out of words
I had a friend die, as his stable mental illness lent itself to to blithe medical conspiracy theory and snake oil, watched him cycle down from simple anti-vacation rhetoric to refusing his cancer treatments. And there were assholes everywhere happy to feed him bullshit and call it knowledge.
This makes me sick. Anti-vax opportunism is as close to fitting the definition of evil as it gets.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)condition that will prevent him medically from having a vaccination, they don't give a SHIT. It infuriates me too. Herd immunity is fucking SCIENCE, not an opinion. Vaccinations should be MANDATORY for everyone.
I'm sorry to hear about your friend, and the vultures that surrounded him have a lot to answer for when karma comes around.
ismnotwasm
(42,021 posts)I think of him often--he cared is what, he cared deeply and as he grew more and more in the fantasy state of CT, well it was heartbreaking to watch.
Demsrule86
(68,735 posts)non-vaccinated kids who had measles or some other childhood disease. Jilly Stein uninformed but still she talks and talks and talks.