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white_wolf

(6,238 posts)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:27 AM Jul 2016

I'll give Madam President Four Years

I'll be frankly honest, Bernie Sanders was the first, and only, presidential candidate I really felt excited for. I believed, and still do believe, that he was the person this country truly needed. But he lost and I'm more than willing to give Hillary Clinton my time and vote because I believe there are things in the Democratic Party's platform worth fighting for. I am wary that Hillary won't implement that platform, but I KNOW Trump won't so I'll take a shot with her. So let's work to elect Hillary, give her a progressive Congress and then serve me a nice dinner of crow.

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I'll give Madam President Four Years (Original Post) white_wolf Jul 2016 OP
The Democratic Platform is Hillary Clinton's Platform KMOD Jul 2016 #1
+1 jcgoldie Jul 2016 #2
A lot of Bernie's stuff was added, too. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #18
I was addressing the OP's concern KMOD Jul 2016 #19
Bernie's "stuff" was also Al Gore's stuff and Bill Clinton's stuff. R B Garr Jul 2016 #22
She will implement zilch without a favorable Congress Zambero Jul 2016 #3
exactly still_one Jul 2016 #4
We all know we need Congress. n/t. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #20
I remember me and wife pulling into the polling place parking to go vote for Jimmy Carter. fleabiscuit Jul 2016 #5
Jimmy Carter was my first too but that was in 1976. politicaljunkie41910 Jul 2016 #10
Sounds familiar. fleabiscuit Jul 2016 #12
It takes a Congress as well as a village. She can't do it alone. Neither could Obama. glennward Jul 2016 #6
the reality is that with a republican house, neither would be able to achieve much legislation unblock Jul 2016 #7
" ultimately, demographics will bring this country back to a progressive era." That Guy 888 Jul 2016 #16
I think you will be pleasantly surprised. fun n serious Jul 2016 #8
I think many others will be pleasantly surprised as well. Let's be honest, Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #24
Hillary prez then Michelle O ecodeathmarch Jul 2016 #9
Oh, good! We can keep it the 3 same families in the White House adigal Jul 2016 #21
Ya but ecodeathmarch Aug 2016 #27
Victory is the right to vote your conscience and speak your mind The Second Stone Jul 2016 #11
Will asimovecho Jul 2016 #13
Me too! Giving this a kick! nt LostOne4Ever Jul 2016 #14
I'm looking forward to seeing BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #15
+1000! DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #17
"Wary" ... that's kinda like distrust and "concern", right? NurseJackie Jul 2016 #23
Same here democrattotheend Jul 2016 #25
Let's try to give her a Congress so she can pass needed legislation. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2016 #26
 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
1. The Democratic Platform is Hillary Clinton's Platform
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:34 AM
Jul 2016

She campaigned hard for all of it, and most of it she has worked at her entire career. Well, with the exception of that open primary nonsense.

Glad to have you on board. Stronger Together, Let's keep the White House Blue!!!

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
18. A lot of Bernie's stuff was added, too.
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 05:38 AM
Jul 2016

You don't need to act like the Sanders movement got nothing and act like you're entitled to accept surrender.

It's enough to call it a coalition and a partnership. That's essentially how the nominee has treated it...why can't you show the same good grace that she does?

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
19. I was addressing the OP's concern
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 07:54 PM
Jul 2016

that Hillary would not implement the platform. She campaigned entirely on the platform. It is essentially, her platform.

R B Garr

(17,231 posts)
22. Bernie's "stuff" was also Al Gore's stuff and Bill Clinton's stuff.
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 09:14 PM
Jul 2016

Al Gore as the climate change original author and Bill Clinton presided over rollbacks of Reagan's tax cuts and raising taxes on the rich. Bill Clinton was one of the only presidents to leave office with a surplus. Let's require "good graces" to be equally applied from Bernie, as well.

Hillary talked about income inequality in her 2008 Democratic convention speech.

Yes, let's all show good grace.

Zambero

(9,091 posts)
3. She will implement zilch without a favorable Congress
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:45 AM
Jul 2016

And that means Dem control of the House AND a minimum of 60 Senators. Until that happens, her best efforts would be to shore up the Supreme Court as vacancies occur, embark on a responsible diplomatic course, and block whatever agenda the GOP might have wanted to push.

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
5. I remember me and wife pulling into the polling place parking to go vote for Jimmy Carter.
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:53 AM
Jul 2016

We were young. We were busting a gut with excitement to vote for him. It was our first vote as husband and wife. Had the radio on and while parking a news announcement came on and said Ronald Reagan had already won. Heartbroken we went in and voted for Carter, and all the Dem down tickets.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
10. Jimmy Carter was my first too but that was in 1976.
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 01:26 AM
Jul 2016

But I remember his running for re-election in 1980 because I was in the Army having just returned from overseas a few months earlier and being happy about registering and being able to vote for the first time at the polls and not absentee. Before i could make it home from work to change and go vote, they had called it and I was certain that my vote in California wouldn't count by then but I went anyway because Leon Panetta was my Congressman and he was running against some Republican so I had to go vote. I was very disappointed though at how early it was called. After that, I think that was when the networks agreed that in the future they would not call the election until the polls had closed in California.

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
12. Sounds familiar.
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 02:14 AM
Jul 2016

Voted for Jimmy myself the first time he ran too. Hadn't met wife yet. I get a bit impatient at times with the temper tantrums some threw, it's a slow compromising process. I also think many younger voters were taken advantage of because of their inexperience. They aren't dumb, just dreamers holding on to magical thinking.

 

glennward

(989 posts)
6. It takes a Congress as well as a village. She can't do it alone. Neither could Obama.
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:55 AM
Jul 2016

Our new banner should be "IT TAKES A CONGRESS TO RAISE A NATION"

unblock

(53,298 posts)
7. the reality is that with a republican house, neither would be able to achieve much legislation
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:55 AM
Jul 2016

so the practical impact for the next four years is through executive orders and senate-only stuff like appointments (particularly to the supreme court) and treaties.

sanders has already, and as president would have, advanced the progressive agenda through speeches and rhetoric; but actual accomplishments as president would not have been great, again, due to the republican house. but that would have set the stage for actual accomplishments down the road, once demographics turn the house democratic.

i'm happy with clinton as the nominee because i think the most important thing was simply to win. we need to finally get the supreme court back. ultimately, demographics will bring this country back to a progressive era.

sanders' policies were as close as just about anyone's to my own for years, but his time was not yet. it's unfortunate due to his age, but i think in eight years (once the new census is in effect) someone like sanders would be a formidable candidate and very accomplished president.

 

That Guy 888

(1,214 posts)
16. " ultimately, demographics will bring this country back to a progressive era."
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 05:37 AM
Jul 2016

That, unfortunately has been the attitude of the DNC leadership for too long. While they're taking a long-term view on election strategy, republicans are winning victories where they should be losing.

I'm interested in seeing if Clinton's top-down 50 state strategy is any more effective than Dean's more grass roots 50 state strategy that wasn't backed by the former DLC members in the DNC power structure.

Maru Kitteh

(28,486 posts)
24. I think many others will be pleasantly surprised as well. Let's be honest,
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 09:24 PM
Jul 2016

Those who have supported other candidates (including now Cheeto) have been subjected to a steady barrage of hateful distortions, misinformation and outright lies about HRC by the MSM and social media. It's powerful and takes a while to overcome.

Many will be pleasantly surprised when they discover that HRC is indeed a liberal progressive, and that she never, ever quits - she just keeps working hard and moving forward, for us.

ecodeathmarch

(34 posts)
27. Ya but
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 12:45 AM
Aug 2016

Ya but people would actually have to vote for them. And MO would be the best president ever. But ya I get what you are saying

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
11. Victory is the right to vote your conscience and speak your mind
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 01:50 AM
Jul 2016

The candidate with the most votes takes office.

Sen. Sanders got into the race with the intention of winning. I doubt seriously that he thought he would be president on inauguration day. He is not naive. But he did have ideas that brought new people into the process and changed the direction of policy formation. That's winning. It is something that will be built upon for generations to come: justice and equality.

This was something built with determination and faith, and it will be carried forward by all Democrats.

Contrast this with the swath of destruction coursing through the Republican Party as their selfish candidates could not agree on any policy or candidate other than the worst. That is defeat.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
23. "Wary" ... that's kinda like distrust and "concern", right?
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 09:14 PM
Jul 2016

In any case, I'm super glad to have you on board, even if you do have your doubts and suspicions... I think you'll be pleased and surprised.

#StrongerTogether

democrattotheend

(11,834 posts)
25. Same here
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 10:40 PM
Jul 2016

I am fully on board with Hillary now and am even thinking about using some of my limited vacation time to campaign for her, if they will let me use the time in November.

But I think it is important to hold her accountable once she is elected. If she does an about-face on everything she promised Bernie and his supporters, I would not rule out supporting a primary challenger in 2020.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
26. Let's try to give her a Congress so she can pass needed legislation.
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 10:42 PM
Jul 2016

Without a Congress, there is nothing big she can do.

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